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GLORY OF '92

GLORY OF '92

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His debut Test series and this inherently honest and decent man was subject to the horrors of having his country's reputation destroyed by Amir and Co and having a front row seat. Do you have any empathy for that?
 
Was it fun for him having Mushy and Waqar and Wasim near the team. all named in the Qayyum report? Does he have fun all 3 knew about Salim Malik and let him sell the nation out and play under him. I know what he knows. He only knows hypocrisy
 
The guy must have earned and made millions and millions from 2010 to 2015 now while the Trio were penniless. Honestly speaking these guys should quit over blowing their suffering beyond proportion.
 
PennOne said:
Was it fun for him having Mushy and Waqar and Wasim near the team. all named in the Qayyum report? Does he have fun all 3 knew about Salim Malik and let him sell the nation out and play under him. I know what he knows. He only knows hypocrisy
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Ridiculous post. Was that in 2010?
 
Your obsession has no bounds, give it a rest with so many threads.
 
AlphaFighter said:
The guy must have earned and made millions and millions from 2010 to 2015 now while the Trio were penniless. Honestly speaking these guys should quit over blowing their suffering beyond proportion.
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Oh diddums the 3 mujrim who sold Pakistan were penniless for a few years how horrible.
 
I think he should absolutely be able to protect his honor and personal decency. If he doesn't want to play with Amir, don't play with Amir.

But NO PLAYER should hold PCB and the entire team selection hostage to his own personal morals.

That is a slippery slope, and I draw a firm line there. I DO NOT think one or two players should dictate to PCB their future course of action. We have been down that road of player power so many times, and it has done NOTHING to help Pakistan cricket. NOTHING.

If he wants to hold fast to his morals, I applaud him. Mashallah. But PCB is under no real obligation to deny Amir forever, and they must make the best CRICKETING decisions. Not emotional, religious, moral, whatever.

For some players, their version of morals and their version of religion, for example, say Amir is has served his time and should be allowed to prove himself worthy again. Why is Azhar's morals better than theirs? Why do his morals hold more weight?
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Ridiculous post. Was that in 2010?
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Is Azhar Ali or is he not playing with Mushy and Waqar as the coach and Wasim as a mentor to most players. ALl 3 were named in Qayyum report. Do you think Azhar Ali should have never accepted a position in the team knowing one of those were the dirty players who were never convicted due to favoritism?
 
Good point. Your debut series should be a great moment for you but unfortunately the tainted trio took all the headlines for the wrong reasons.
 
Well aren't you having a field day?

Care to explain why this "inherently" honest and decent man had to run to the media to express his disgust when he could've done all the same by approaching PCB officials. Cheap publicity stunt if you ask me.
 
Great going Glory, dont stop. Must expose all the cheats as much as possible because of whom the honest players were ridiculed by the fans during the match fixing episode and again now.

While the fixer gets the ref carpet treatment and his become some sort of savior.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Don't like a thread don't post. Now go back to obsessing over your Amir posters.
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Still I can a spade a spade. When he comes back hopefully you will boycott Pak, otherwise it's all drama bazi like a few others.
 
Was it fun being Amir in 2009? 19 year old playing his first game for his country in WC and eventually reaching finale and then getting out the best player in the tournament and winning the WC?
 
Belawal2014 said:
Well aren't you having a field day?

Care to explain why this "inherently" honest and decent man had to run to the media to express his disgust when he could've done all the same by approaching PCB officials. Cheap publicity stunt if you ask me.
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Yes our captain needs cheap publicity.

Yes he isn't decent. All the commentators and players etc are wrong.
 
PennOne said:
Was it fun for him having Mushy and Waqar and Wasim near the team. all named in the Qayyum report? Does he have fun all 3 knew about Salim Malik and let him sell the nation out and play under him. I know what he knows. He only knows hypocrisy
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It is like asking every honest person in this country to have left Pakistan when Zardari was the President. Because if you were living with him being President then apparently you were happy and if you think him corrupt then you have no right living under him.

Those 3 players would not have been reason Azhar Ali might have suffered embarrassment at a number of occasions. There was no tangible evidence against Mushie and Waqar to prove that they brought the shame to the country. So, the comparison is not correct here.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Yes our captain needs cheap publicity.

Yes he isn't decent. All the commentators and players etc are wrong.
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If he was decent he would have refused to work under the coaching of the players who were named in the Qayyum report.
 
Is it fun playing with Malik? Correct me if I am wrong...he was fined for throwing a domestic match?
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Yes our captain needs cheap publicity.

Yes he isn't decent. All the commentators and players etc are wrong.
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1 commentator and 2 players, to be more precise. The others seem to be fine with attending the camp.

Afridi, Gul, Irfan, Wahab, Malik, Shafiq, Umar are all part of the camp and were part of the 2010 tour to England as well.
 
Hopefully these drama bazi fans like glory will start protesting outside the cricket stadiums when Amir plays.

Then I will start to respect all his tantrums. Send us some selfiies glory.
 
I don't give two poops if it was fun being Azhar because frankly THAT IS NOT THE POINT.

The point is that no single player should dictate or hold the PCB hostage.

No other player is standing behind him. The rest of them are all at training camp, preparing, enjoying themselves, hanging out, etc. They're going out to dinner at Zucchini and none of them seem emotionally traumatized by Amir's presence. They might not like Amir being there, but they ARE training with him. They're not following Azhar.

Azhar can enjoy his Mashallah amazing morals sitting at home. I have no doubt he is a decent person, but decency does not decide cricketing selection.
 
in_cutter said:
Is it fun playing with Malik? Correct me if I am wrong...he was fined for throwing a domestic match?
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Comparing apples with oranges. Losing that match was part of strategy or tactics and wasn't driven due to money. It is like saying that why Azhar Ali is playing with a player who blocks 10 good balls and then hit a SIX off bad ball. It was just a strategy as Malik didn't want one particular team to qualify for some reason. I have forgotten the reason but it surely was not motivated due to money & wasn't a crime.
 
[MENTION=8313]GLORY OF '92[/MENTION] you may aswell boycott Pak cricket. What you reckon?
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Domestic v International.

Not that complicated.
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This is what I understand about your 'morals':

'I understand if you make a mistake and will forgive you but not if you bowled a no ball in the first ball of the third over during the 4th test match of Pakistan vs England Test series in 2010 at Lords. Then and only then will I be overly obsessed with you.'
 
cricfan14 said:
I think he should absolutely be able to protect his honor and personal decency. If he doesn't want to play with Amir, don't play with Amir.

But NO PLAYER should hold PCB and the entire team selection hostage to his own personal morals.

That is a slippery slope, and I draw a firm line there. I DO NOT think one or two players should dictate to PCB their future course of action. We have been down that road of player power so many times, and it has done NOTHING to help Pakistan cricket. NOTHING.

If he wants to hold fast to his morals, I applaud him. Mashallah. But PCB is under no real obligation to deny Amir forever, and they must make the best CRICKETING decisions. Not emotional, religious, moral, whatever.

For some players, their version of morals and their version of religion, for example, say Amir is has served his time and should be allowed to prove himself worthy again. Why is Azhar's morals better than theirs? Why do his morals hold more weight?
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This.

POTW for saying the TRUTH.
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If PCB wants to include Amir in their plans then so be it. Just accept it & move on.

If PCB does not want to include Amir in their plans then accept that too.
 
Azhar is a one dimensional batsmen, despite his test success. He is also a poor ODI skipper.

He should retire instead of complaining, because amir will make it to the intl side once again.

Besides, there are plenty of more azhar-esque players in the sidelines that can take over.
 
Strike Rate said:
one thrown a match as captain with the help of his buddies like nazir and rana while the other one bowled a no ball that's called spot fixing not match fixing
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Plus Kaneria fixed domestically and received much more harsh punishment (life ban)
Amir didn't even throw the match FFS.
 
natkhat-shahzada said:
Comparing apples with oranges. Losing that match was part of strategy or tactics and wasn't driven due to money. It is like saying that why Azhar Ali is playing with a player who blocks 10 good balls and then hit a SIX off bad ball. It was just a strategy as Malik didn't want one particular team to qualify for some reason. I have forgotten the reason but it surely was not motivated due to money & wasn't a crime.
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should welcome asif immidiately then! he didnt recieve any money! losing the match is good as long as you dont get money! hypocrate at its best.
 
Ahson8 said:
Plus Kaneria fixed domestically and received much more harsh punishment (life ban)
Amir didn't even throw the match FFS.
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oh yea why the special treatment for some who fixed domestic matches in pakistan why not have kaneria back too after all it was just domestic and that too in another country
 
BDwarriors said:
should welcome asif immidiately then! he didnt recieve any money! losing the match is good as long as you dont get money! hypocrate at its best.
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haha well said Asif should be back poor guy didn't even got any money for that spot fixing :))
 
BDwarriors said:
should welcome asif immidiately then! he didnt recieve any money! losing the match is good as long as you dont get money! hypocrate at its best.
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I think you should know the fact before calling me names. I have no issues with any of the player being selected. All of them deserve the 2nd chance including Asif.

However, the point is that Azhar and Hafeez don't deserve this criticism for their stance. If it cannot be appreciated then it shouldn't be criticized it. I also agree that Azhar and Hafeez shouldn't be giving statements in media but they might be pushed for this which is why Azhar Ali might be sacrificing his captaincy for this.
 
Well boo hoo. Seriously us Pakistanis need to get over this beta-male whining tendency
 
It was indeed fun... Making debut for ur country is always fun... #positiveangle #positivethinking :D
 
The issue with other nation is that they take everything in black and white. One can never have a balanced opinion. I admire the courage of Hafeez and Azhar as it will help a lot in the future to show to other players (even if Amir is selected) that it is not that easy to make a comeback once you choose the wrong path.
 
Well , people came to watch pakistan south africa one day series in UAE in huge numbers and no one asked azhar in any press conferences about aamir. How did azhar actually felt the heat of what aamir and co had done? We should keep our absurd theories to ourselves , yah we fans were shocked and so did their colleagues but no one ever doubted azhar alis integrity or asked difficult questions.

Did tendulker and co had a terrible time when azhar was banned?
 
We always ask for forgiveness to ALLAH in our prayers because we make lot of mistakes in our life and humans are not angels to commit no sins but on the other side we are not ready to forgive others?
 
Aamir has served his time , 5 years that is.

Aamir has worked hard on his fitness and has taken very little time to get back into a very good shape after 5 years of no quality cricket.It is very difficult to say this , butt probably will take 2 seasons to get settled in again and we might never see asif bowl like before. Yah he committed mistakes but it wasn't as big as a treason and it didn't affect the result of any match.
 
Waqar was coach of the team in 2010 and many fingers were pointed at him because captain was involved too and so was his 2 main bowlers from the side but even Waqar is willing to forget i don't know why some players can't think about forgiving and moving on.
 
Also what the hell is this "was it fun" concept.

Is it fun being 8/9 in ODIs? Is it fun losing 6 matches in a row to England? Is it fun watching our bowlers get smacked left and right.

They're professional cricket players. Fun/sad/happy, whatever, team selection is not and should not be about their personal emotional trauma.
 
cricfan14 said:
Also what the hell is this "was it fun" concept.

Is it fun being 8/9 in ODIs? Is it fun losing 6 matches in a row to England? Is it fun watching our bowlers get smacked left and right.

They're professional cricket players. Fun/sad/happy, whatever, team selection is not and should not be about their personal emotional trauma.
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I will be willing to put up with anything in order to significantly reduce the 24/7 negative doomsday drivel by Mamoon over here.
 
natkhat-shahzada said:
I think you should know the fact before calling me names. I have no issues with any of the player being selected. All of them deserve the 2nd chance including Asif.

However, the point is that Azhar and Hafeez don't deserve this criticism for their stance. If it cannot be appreciated then it shouldn't be criticized it. I also agree that Azhar and Hafeez shouldn't be giving statements in media but they might be pushed for this which is why Azhar Ali might be sacrificing his captaincy for this.
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They are doing things single handly. they announce in the media and without discussing with pcb not attending the training season. let them do what they want, let pcb do what they want!
 
You're exaggerating it now Glory, its not like ONLY Azhar Ali was affected by spot fixing fiasco, the whole nation had to deal with the trauma inflicted by convicted trio but it doesn't give other players any right to blackmail and boycott their cricket institution for some decision that's not affecting them in anyway.

If Azhar doesn't want to play alongside Amir, then so be it, he should hand his resignation quietly instead of taking PCB hostage by unfairly using his position (which btw he doesn't deserve in the first place on MERIT alone) as leverage for making demands, its not his place or job to dictate policy as to who should play and who shouldn't. He is the last person making such stupid moves provided his place in the ODI squad is questionable as a batsman alone.
 
"was it fun being a Pak fan in 2010? Ask yourself.."

Everyone would say no, but the vast majority still fine with accepting him into the team, so I don't see the point about Azhar's feelings.
 
He got into side, he was a young player staring his career I don't see how it was tough for him? He wasn't answerable to anyone. His only goal must have been to cement his place and not worry about any other thing.
 
No it wasn't easy.. for anyone including pakistani fans.. everybody paid the price for it.. i hope we learned from it and move on.. players should do their job and hope our incompetent board does what their job is.. thats is bring the three players together and have a siting with Senior members of squad and make rules very clear for these three AND the rest including Azhar what they can and what they can't do!
 
I think anyone who plays for a national team, which millions of people could only dream of, in a nation with so many great heroes and memories has it pretty good if you ask me.
 
Absolutely, 5 years of earning non-stop income. Has faced nothing close to the challenges as many people with severe financial problems do.
 
i remember that ODI Series which followed the Spot Fixing saga. These Pakistani players had to face so much humiliation from the crowed. Azhar was abused so much on the boundry, I was sitting behind him and the guy was getting called all sorts of things by the English and the Pakistani fans. It was a torturous experience being a Pakistani player at that time
 
Herein lies the problem - a weak board, opinionated people.

This should have been planned and sorted out better. I guess you just cannot expect anything from these people.

I blame everyone in this, from the ones taking the moral high ground to the ones pushing for Amir's comeback.

YOU HAD FIVE YEARS TO SORT THIS OUT DAMNIT ...
 
The Pakistan players have had over 4 years to resolve any issues with PCB. The players knew that Amir, Butt and Asif would be eligible to play after 5 years.

What did they do in that time? Did they clarify and sort things with PCB? No they didn't, so why whine about it now !
 
True. But is it Azhar's choice of when Amir can play or can not and who is selected in the team? He's being extremely dumb putting his own position at risk for the sake of one player who has suffered quite a bit in the 5 years. Think! Was it fun being Amir from 2010 to 2015?
 
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At the end of the day no player is bigger than the team, if the PCB feel Amir is going to help the team perform better then he should be picked, if Hafeez and Azhar don't like then they know where the door is, they must put their personal feelings aside and play for the good of the team. However the biggest issue that arises is that Azhar is the ODI captain (Malik is a better choice anyways) and if Amir is in the 50 over side then he is no doubt the main strike bowler for the side and therefore Azhar must use him properly
 
Saj said:
The Pakistan players have had over 4 years to resolve any issues with PCB. The players knew that Amir, Butt and Asif would be eligible to play after 5 years.

What did they do in that time? Did they clarify and sort things with PCB? No they didn't, so why whine about it now !
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5 years is a long long time. So much has happened during that time period. They probably underestimated how good Amir would be straight away in domestic cricket upon returning. Soon Asif and even Butt might show good form in domestic cricket making it hard for the PCB to ignore them.

These are 3 spots in the team. The one's at risk are the likes of Hafeez, Shehzad, Masood and a few other opening batsmen or No 3 batsmen. But 2 bowlers are definately going to go out to make way for Amir and Asif. From 2010-2015 so many players had the opportunity especially the quick men to establish themselves in the team's bowling ranks but failed to do so.
 
Rana said:
i remember that ODI Series which followed the Spot Fixing saga. These Pakistani players had to face so much humiliation from the crowed. Azhar was abused so much on the boundry, I was sitting behind him and the guy was getting called all sorts of things by the English and the Pakistani fans. It was a torturous experience being a Pakistani player at that time
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That tour happened in August-September 2010, 5 plus years have passed. Time to move on. Sane people must step in and prevent self interest vested people from exploiting the situation to their advantage.
 
jog_1 said:
Azhar is a one dimensional batsmen, despite his test success. He is also a poor ODI skipper.

He should retire instead of complaining, because amir will make it to the intl side once again.

Besides, there are plenty of more azhar-esque players in the sidelines that can take over.
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Yes we have plenty of established batsmen with a Test average of 43 and 9 hundreds waiting in the wings. We should definitely drop one of our most consistent and reliable batsman for the many future Kohlis and Williamsons we clearly have in QEA Trophy right before our tough overseas tours next year.

Why do some Amir diehards need to promote their hero by denigrating others ? I want Amir to be reintegrated but to fail to see that Azhar has been vital in the last five years to our Test revival because of this latest drama is fanboyism at its most immature.

No sense to that whatsoever when we can easily work this situation out by sitting with Azhar, Hafeez and Amir and clearing the air.
 
Rana said:
i remember that ODI Series which followed the Spot Fixing saga. These Pakistani players had to face so much humiliation from the crowed. Azhar was abused so much on the boundry, I was sitting behind him and the guy was getting called all sorts of things by the English and the Pakistani fans. It was a torturous experience being a Pakistani player at that time
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I don't know what games you went to but the one I went to the atmosphere was decent and only Wahab was abused everytime he came near the ropes and that too by only Pakistani fans.
 
Markhor said:
Yes we have plenty of established batsmen with a Test average of 43 and 9 hundreds waiting in the wings. We should definitely drop one of our most consistent and reliable batsman for the many future Kohlis and Williamsons we clearly have in QEA Trophy right before our tough overseas tours next year.

Why do some Amir diehards need to promote their hero by denigrating others ? I want Amir to be reintegrated but to fail to see that Azhar has been vital in the last five years to our Test revival because of this latest drama is fanboyism at its most immature.

No sense to that whatsoever when we can easily work this situation out by sitting with Azhar, Hafeez and Amir and clearing the air.
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Amir or pcb didnt tell not to play with amir.it is their own decision that they will not play. And country has nothing to do with players religion or moral.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
His debut Test series and this inherently honest and decent man was subject to the horrors of having his country's reputation destroyed by Amir and Co and having a front row seat. Do you have any empathy for that?
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Fully agree with you. Also Hafeez was part of the immediate ODI squad that faced the doubts cast over Pakistan cricket by the British Media.
 
waleed88 said:
Fully agree with you. Also Hafeez was part of the immediate ODI squad that faced the doubts cast over Pakistan cricket by the British Media.
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And waqar and rest of the team player wasnt part of the team like all other fans. Only hafiz and azhar felt bad....weird.
 
Yes I empathize with him a little. To some extent I respect their views. However it's been five years and he's supposed to be a professional and an adult, not an emotional pansy. What about the other players and management staff that were a part of the series? Do they not matter or are we just assuming that the silence of the majority is a show of support for these idiots' insubordination. This is the Pakistan team and it's their job and privilege. If your employer hires someone you don't like for whatever reason you don't go 'oh I'm not playing with him for so and so reason and if he works here I don't.' They're effectively attempting to blackmail the PCB into not letting him play. They should sit down and voice their issues behind closed doors with the management instead of coming out on tv with this nonsense. We've had enough threads related to this issue to open up a whole section on PP for it lol.
 
No it wasn't fun. As I posted in another thread, the day the story broke, I specifically remember Azhar being the only one in the team who looked genuinely embarrassed by all the attention as the team walked into the ground from training. Azhar was just beginning his career at the time and the fact that the look on his face sticks with me 5 years later shows it must have been sincere and meaningful.

I'd like to see Amir play cricket again personally, but maybe it isn't easy for those who were around him at the time. Who knows what they saw and knew about in the days leading up to the event.
 
pillionrider said:
No it wasn't fun. As I posted in another thread, the day the story broke, I specifically remember Azhar being the only one in the team who looked genuinely embarrassed by all the attention as the team walked into the ground from training. Azhar was just beginning his career at the time and the fact that the look on his face sticks with me 5 years later shows it must have been sincere and meaningful.

I'd like to see Amir play cricket again personally, but maybe it isn't easy for those who were around him at the time. Who knows what they saw and knew about in the days leading up to the event.
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But having said that, someone needs to sit down and have a proper chat with him and Hafeez and remind them that the game is bigger than them all. If the PCB and the cricketing fraternity are willing to accept Amir back, they will just have to grind down and fall in line. It has been done before. When Azharuddin and others were busy fixing games, Sachin just had to get along with them despite not knowing when they were gonna run him out (and they did on at least one occasion as predicted pre-game by a bookie to the then Secretary of the BCCI).
 
Superb thread. Still remember the look he had having to bat on the morning the news broke out. Disgraceful
 
Ohh what is next in drama box of PP ?? Azhar is a professional paid to play cricket if he is booed this is how it is..if you think all this saga will not make him target of a lot of hate than you are very wrong.


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No it wasn't fun, it was a really really hard time. But, besides Azhar Hafeez there were also other players, they are ok with tainted trio.
 
Whatever his grievances are, and I don't deny that they may be legitimate grievances, it's been more than five years. The time has come to bury the hatchet. How long are you going to carry a grudge? If Amir passes away tomorrow in a freak accident, will these guys refuse to come pay their respects at his funeral? Life's too short to hold grudges.
 
With Dean Jones recent comments about the IU team 'going through hell' in the recent days its interesting to go back to this thread. Hopefully the people making some of the comments on this thread have a better perspective of where Azhar Ali was coming from this time last year with his stance on Amir's return.

Here was a guy who was in his debut series abroad and had to go through all the tension and 'hell' just as much as Islamabad might be experiencing right now if not more and yet people had the nerve to insult the poor guy for making a stand.

Well as for now Azhar is definitely having fun, being at the top of his game as a Test batsmen, relieved of captaincy pressures and just chilling out at the PSL :yk

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Boi said:
With Dean Jones recent comments about the IU team 'going through hell' in the recent days its interesting to go back to this thread. Hopefully the people making some of the comments on this thread have a better perspective of where Azhar Ali was coming from this time last year with his stance on Amir's return.

Here was a guy who was in his debut series abroad and had to go through all the tension and 'hell' just as much as Islamabad might be experiencing right now if not more and yet people had the nerve to insult the poor guy for making a stand.

Well as for now Azhar is definitely having fun, being at the top of his game as a Test batsmen, relieved of captaincy pressures and just chilling out at the PSL :yk

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Good to see him happy
 
Genuine test batsman in pak team. Works hard for his runs and knew his limitations. I rate him Better than more flamboyant players in pak team
 
Boi said:
With Dean Jones recent comments about the IU team 'going through hell' in the recent days its interesting to go back to this thread. Hopefully the people making some of the comments on this thread have a better perspective of where Azhar Ali was coming from this time last year with his stance on Amir's return.

Here was a guy who was in his debut series abroad and had to go through all the tension and 'hell' just as much as Islamabad might be experiencing right now if not more and yet people had the nerve to insult the poor guy for making a stand.
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Sorry I have no sympathy for Azhar regarding the Amir protest. In fact it made him look worse. Why? Because while he was condemning Amir , Azhar was at the same time training with his bro Salman at the NCA. They were pictured together and I don't believe Azhar has publicaly said one thing against his friend.

At least professor was consistent, his stance I can respect
 
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