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Was today's innings from Fakhar the best ODI knock played by a Pakistani batsman?

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An unreal knock by Fakhar today. I definitely don't remember a superior one by a Pakistani batsman during a chase.
 
Had this not been part of the world series or whatever it is called, it would not had been the best odi knock

But, it should be considered, as he saved our net run rate on that table.

Razzaq was incredible as he pulled off a win, but here Fakahar batted alone and got 190. I have to admit his innings made the loss hurt more.

Got just soo closee to itt.
 
Phenomenal knock, despite his technical limitations FZ has unreal mental toughness unlike his teammates who clearly gave up after the first 15 overs.
 
Not the best It ll make the top 5 If he had managed to win it then yes it wouldve been
 
Def one of the best, it was a joy to watch.

We needed some tail Enders who could have bat a bit and we would have chased this .
 
One of the best I have seen by a Pakistan batsmen. He showed great mental toughness and great fitness towards the end.
 
Raja Ishtiaq said:
Razzaq's match winning 100 vs SA>>>>>
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In that innings fawad scored 48, afridi scored 49 of 40 balls, hafeez scored 30 despite that being only chase of 286. If one of those innings hadn't happened Pakistani still would have lost

In this innings Babar :sangryscored 31 and no one else scored even 20
 
Had he taken Pakistan over the line with a double century, it would've been the best.

Still an amazing innings. Well done!
 
Definetly if had managed to pull it off but nonetheless still top 3.
 
Nah. If he had won it then maybe. But there are a few other great knocks. Heck even Fakhar's 100 vs India in CT17 is better than this
 
Razzaq's 100 came at no.7

Fakhar had been batting as an opener here and it was basically a one man show. What he just did was impossible to do and no one could had done it.

scoring a 100 while the rest dont do anything is possible, but pulling of a 192 is impossible and thats what Fakhar did today.

It sucks that we got so close and couldn't win, hopefully he gets the man of the match.
 
Indiafan said:
Its the highest ever total in a chase. Babar scored 31 and no one else even crossed 20. How is this NOT a great knock?
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Because it wasn't from Amla or Moeen Ali. Some can't see beyond beards unfortunately.
 
It’s a fabulous knock. Probably in the list of top 10-20 non WC related knocks.
 
Bilal7 said:
What an overreaction. :))
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It was one of the best innings I have seen, just a shame no one supported him even with a 50.

Even if we had a half good batsman like Wahab or Hasan Ali we would have chased it
 
BreadPakoda said:
Not without Pakistan winning the game. Still great knock.
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Dude not a single one of kohli or Dhoni 100 would have caused india to win without at least one other player scoring. You cannot penalize one player for others not doing well

Kohli 183, sachin 52, rohit 68

Today babar scored 31 and no one else crossed even 20
 
It was a top 10 all time pakistan knock but not the best. Just a shame rest of team let him down.
 
*In a losing cause.

Personally, I'll always rate a game winning innings higher.

That said, Inzi's SF innings vs NZ has to be the best ever!
 
No. It was a very good one from personal point of view(and I am glad he has worked hard) but it failed to get the team over the line(yes it was expected as well). Abdul Razzaq's 109 against SA 2010 is way still way better.
 
This was a much better knock than Anwar’s

Better fast bowling line up- Nortje, Rabada

Non subcontinent conditions and relatively bouncy pitch

Weaker batting support

And last but definitely not the least and most important, didn’t need a runner who was a decade younger than him actually and a decade and a half younger officially running his runs for him.
 
Raja Ishtiaq said:
Razzaq's match winning 100 vs SA>>>>>
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Osman said:
You obv don’t know about this one - :Razzaq
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I saw it live and it was an amazing hundred by Razzaq. However, I don't rate it as highly as the one we saw today from Fakhar for the following reasons:

1. Weaker bowling attack - Apart from Morne Morkel, the rest of the SA attack was very mediocre. Langeveldt and Tsotsobe were opening the bowling. You also had the gentle medium pace of Albie Morkel.

2. The runs came from UAE rather than the quick, bouncy wicket that we saw today.

It was just a shame that all of Fakhar's batting partners were completely useless after the first powerplay.
 
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Arguably the best ODI innings ever that didn't result in a win, maybe [MENTION=132062]Harsh Thakor[/MENTION] can do one of his lists.

Had he pulled it off it would have been the best ODI innings period imo.
 
No, I have seen better knocks.

This was a poorly timed innings which is why he failed to get Pakistan over the line.

Not even his best innings.
 
How short is public memory. Javed Miandad's 116/114 and a last ball six to win a final against arch rivals India? Anyone? Anyone?

There hasn't been a greater ODI innings by a Pakistani batsman yet.
 
Mamoon said:
No, I have seen better knocks.

This was a poorly timed innings which is why he failed to get Pakistan over the line.

Not even his best innings.
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I guess he was trying to take the game as deep as possible and hoping anyone could stick. After the classic collapse game was already lost.
 
Bilal7 said:
What an overreaction. :))
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How exactly? Even bringing it from 205-7 with no recognized batsmen left, carrying the tail, singlehandedly to the last over is amazing. The second highest score was 31. The fact that he played from over number 1 seeing 8 other batsmen get out on the other end. i have never seen somebody singlehandedly carry a chase like that, not just in Pakistan cricket.
 
Fakhar gets untold hate , yes there's questions with his technique, but he fits the bill for a modern type white ball opener , top guy .

Salute too the navy sailor

Leiuetenant zaman
 
90MPH said:
Def one of the best, it was a joy to watch.

We needed some tail Enders who could have bat a bit and we would have chased this .
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Middle order needed runs.

Again Asif, Shadab, and Faheem flopped.

Danish too.

Haris Sohail is a must.
 
Miandad vs India (sharjah)
Salim Maliks vs india (calcutta)

Are probably best ever ODi knocks
 
Indiafan said:
Dude not a single one of kohli or Dhoni 100 would have caused india to win without at least one other player scoring. You cannot penalize one player for others not doing well

Kohli 183, sachin 52, rohit 68

Today babar scored 31 and no one else crossed even 20
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Good point. I was going to say only a match winning knock can be called the best, and I still believe that, but that doesn't diminish how good an innings this was. To score 192 with no support at the other end is a remarkable effort.
 
One of the best bare in mind we picked only 3 specialist batsman and Rizwan and the tail started at no 5 with Danish. Danish Shadab Asif combo has to be the worst middle order we have ever picked.

Was a phenomenal knock almost single handedly. This was a top notch SA attack too in away conditions
 
Just because others did not contribute to get Pakistan the victory you cannot say it was not one of the greatest inning.
Pak messed up sending Shaheen over Hasnain to bat.
 
Mamoon said:
No, I have seen better knocks.

This was a poorly timed innings which is why he failed to get Pakistan over the line.

Not even his best innings.
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This is definitely his best innings. Chasing a mammoth total single handedly. It's one thing if you have batsmen on the other end and considering the situation. His team let him down more than anything. Not because he timed the innings poorly. Pretty harsh. SRTs desert storm was famous for the same reasons.
 
Mamoon said:
No, I have seen better knocks.

This was a poorly timed innings which is why he failed to get Pakistan over the line.

Not even his best innings.
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The fact your blaming fakhar for loss when other 10 players did nothing with bat pretty much sums up your limited cricket knowledge.
 
Only one other person crossed 20 that was Babar. No one else did if our tail didnt start from no 5 we would have won that comfortably.

Even the greatest innings have a supporting cast but he had none today. You cant criticise Fakhar at all
 
From Pakistan being 205-7 he had no help at all. Literally single handed got Pakistan to where they were. Had the tail had even been able to hit the odd boundary it would have been possible
 
Adil_94 said:
Only one other person crossed 20 that was Babar. No one else did if our tail didnt start from no 5 we would have won that comfortably.

Even the greatest innings have a supporting cast but he had none today. You cant criticise Fakhar at all
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Fakhar scored 60% of the runs, at a better SR than any other specialist batter, and only player to score above 50.

But some people need their attention fix.
 
Amjid Javed said:
The fact your blaming fakhar for loss when other 10 players did nothing with bat pretty much sums up your limited cricket knowledge.
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I don’t need certificates on cricketing knowledge from Pakistani fans.

Excluding boundaries, he scored 61 runs in 125 balls and his SR between the 10th and 30th overs was in the 60s.

The Fakhar-Shadab and Fakhar-Asif partnerships cost Pakistan the game. He left himself with too much to catch up and that is why he fell short.

It is true that he did not get support, but it is also true that he could have taken Pakistan over the line even without support had he paced his innings better.
 
Only if he had a player like Imad Wasim and Hasan Ali to help support him from the other end, he could have closed the game for Pakistan.
 
Mamoon said:
No, I have seen better knocks.

This was a poorly timed innings which is why he failed to get Pakistan over the line.

Not even his best innings.
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Appreciate your opinion on where his knock stands amongst all the fine innings played by Pakistani batsmen.

But Mamoon, in relation to your second line, lets not be bitter and insincere.

I have no doubt in my mind that your narrative would have changed if this was Imam's innings.

For you, Fakhar's big hundred stings because you know deep down Imam could only dream to produce anything remotely close to what we have seen from his opening partner today.
 
He was around on 45 off 70 at one stage. had he been a little bit agressive at the start, this could have been a match winning inning.
 
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Definitely the best ever ODI innings played by a Pakistani batsman.

Only Anwar's 194 and Razzaq's 100 against South Africa come close but Fakhar's innings takes it for me.

Anwar's innings was outstanding but he scored his runs during the 1st innings, and most of his runs were scored with the help of a runner.

Razzaq's knock was our best ever before Fakhar's show today but even he had some support at the other end with the likes of Afrisi and Fawad contributing and the target not being a massive one like today.

Fakhar single handedly took this game at a stage where we started to believe that the chase was on. Unfortunately, he had absolutely no support from the other end. Nobody even crossed 20 besides Babar.

The fake all rounder Shadab and the so called "finisher" Asif have to be held accountable for this.
 
Even im seeing Indians online salute to Fakhar n give props to him on cricket pages when normally its India-Pak takra all the time.

A great great knock but PakPassion's resident "reality check" giver Indian sympathiser cant extend that same level of courtesy.

Truly pathetic attention seeking mentality
 
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topspin said:
Appreciate your opinion on where his knock stands amongst all the fine innings played by Pakistani batsmen.

But Mamoon, in relation to your second line, lets not be bitter and insincere.

I have no doubt in my mind that your narrative would have changed if this was Imam's innings.

For you, Fakhar's big hundred stings because you know deep down Imam could only dream to produce anything remotely close to what we have seen from his opening partner today.
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If imam had played this knock mamoon would be doing bhangra at home. He would be calling for imam to be captain and to open in all formats.

Hes just trolling as usual.
 
The lone Ranger said:
He was around on 45 off 70 at one stage. had he been a little bit agressive at the start, this could have been a match winning inning.
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Yes, but the issue is that people have 193 reasons to ignore this.

Fakhar would have been crucified had he got out around the 30th over considering how batted until that point.

His batting in the last 20 overs was incredible but the reality is that his partnerships with Shadab and Asif were match-losing.
 
Surely one of the best knocks. You can't win many games if others don't stick around. You can't simply judge based on a win.
 
Afridi's 3 sixes against Bangladesh in 2012 > Fakhar 193
Nobody remembers losing 100s unless you are Sachin Tendulkar
 
Amjid Javed said:
If imam had played this knock mamoon would be doing bhangra at home. He would be calling for imam to be captain and to open in all formats.

Hes just trolling as usual.
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Exactly.

I've seen Fakhar have his fair share of critics from those who have posted on this thread (and rightly so) but today isn't the day to bash him.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes, but the issue is that people have 193 reasons to ignore this.

Fakhar would have been crucified had he got out around the 30th over considering how batted until that point.

His batting in the last 20 overs was incredible but the reality is that his partnerships with Shadab and Asif were match-losing.
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He was striking @150 before Babar got out followed by Rizwan. Had he been more aggressive that time we wouldn't have seen this incredible effort to pull of a thriller.

But team consists of 11 players and u can't expect a single player to do 90% of your work.

This pathetic team literally scored just 130 run in a run chase of 340+. This is criminal.
 
This has to be the highest score by an individual on the losing side right? Anyhow, absolutely wonderful innings from FZ today. If only he had a partner that stuck around with him for a little longer Pak could've won this. In the grand scheme of things, I hope this innings is a resurgence for Fakhar's batting as we're in a dire need for a consistent dasher-type opener. And please, for the love of all that is holy, bring in Haider Ali.
 
Babar and Rizwan are not capable of playing such knocks which means that Fakhar's ceiling is much higher than those two in LOIs and hence Fakhar should always be given proper backing by the team management.

If there is serious lack of options, then stick with Imam and Fakhar. But if other options are good enough to cover up like Haris and Haider in middle order, then I suggest to drop Imam and open with the pair of Rizwan and Fakhar.
 
It was a terrific innings but not the greatest Pakistani innings. I don’t see why this a problematic viewpoint.

It is not always about quantity. For example, Inzamam’s half-century in the 92 semifinal was a far better innings than this one.

I have no issues with anyone ranking this knock in the top 5.

Had he paced his innings better it could have the GOAT Pakistani ODI innings.
 
Mamoon said:
It was a terrific innings but not the greatest Pakistani innings. I don’t see why this a problematic viewpoint.

It is not always about quantity. For example, Inzamam’s half-century in the 92 semifinal was a far better innings than this one.

I have no issues with anyone ranking this knock in the top 5.

Had he paced his innings better it could have the GOAT Pakistani ODI innings.
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If Imam hadnt blocked the 1st two overs of the inns and played like a cat on a hot tin roof the pakistan could have got off to bettet start in the inns.

Chasing 340 and your poking and proding and wasting vital balls in the PP.

Fakhar took game as deep as he could. If that was imam batting through inns he would have been 120 off 150 balls and pakistan would have been 250/9 and lost by around 100 runs.
 
Amjid Javed said:
If Imam hadnt blocked the 1st two overs of the inns and played like a cat on a hot tin roof the pakistan could have got off to bettet start in the inns.

Chasing 340 and your poking and proding and wasting vital balls in the PP.

Fakhar took game as deep as he could. If that was imam batting through inns he would have been 120 off 150 balls and pakistan would have been 250/9 and lost by around 100 runs.
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There is no excuse for Fakhar striking in the 60s between the 10th and 30th over and the way he handled the partnerships with Shadab and Asif which ultimately cost Pakistan the game.

Just because others were poor and he was by far the best batsman today doesn’t mean that he cannot be criticized or cannot be highlighted for the way he paced his innings.

When you score 61 runs in 125 balls excluding boundaries, you will find it very difficult to chase 340+. He consumed too many dot balls today.

Again, what Imam does and what others has no bearing on looking at Fakhar’s knock in isolation.
 
Fakhar Zaman speaking after his epic 193:

"The fault was mine as I was too busy looking out for Haris as I felt he'd started off a little late from his crease, so I thought he was in trouble. The rest is up to the match referee, I don't think it's Quinton's fault"

"I'm not bothered about missing out on a score of 200. The only thing I am disappointed about is not winning the match. I would have been much happier had I scored less and we won the game"

"I tried my level best but the good thing for us was that we fought till the end"

"I was talking to every other batsman who were at the crease with me that if they take 15-20 balls to settle in then the they will find that the wicket is good to play on; For new batters at the crease the wicket wasn't that good and even I was uncomfortable at the start of the innings; The boundary on one side was very short and I was just targeting that boundary and that was my plan"

"I can't say that it was my best innings but yes I did enjoy it - if we had won, I would have said its my best innings"

"It was our bad luck that our batsmen could not get set - it was just Babar who was kind of set, but no one else could do that; This was why we lost wickets in quick succession so you cannot say that this was due to inexperience"

"In the 25th over I spoke to Saify Bhai who knows me very well, I talked to him to ask Babar if I could start playing my natural game now, as Shamsi was bowling; So at that time I was feeling that if I started hitting boundaries then I could win the game"
 
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Mamoon said:
It was a terrific innings but not the greatest Pakistani innings. I don’t see why this a problematic viewpoint.

It is not always about quantity. For example, Inzamam’s half-century in the 92 semifinal was a far better innings than this one.

I have no issues with anyone ranking this knock in the top 5.

Had he paced his innings better it could have the GOAT Pakistani ODI innings.
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do you believe it was a soft knock?
 
sadida97 said:
do you believe it was a soft knock?
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Nah, I won’t call it a soft innings. It was a top innings but a big example of how important it is to pace your innings.

When you are chasing big totals, if your SR drops to the 60s and early 70s for large portions of the game, it will be very difficult for you to compensate later on.

Fakhar played a blinder in the last 20 overs, but the damage was done between the 10th and 30th overs during his partnerships with Shadab & Asif.

He left himself with too much to do later on. Far too much.
 
MenInG said:
Fakhar Zaman speaking after his epic 193:

"The fault was mine as I was too busy looking out for Haris as I felt he'd started off a little late from his crease, so I thought he was in trouble. The rest is up to the match referee, I don't think it's Quinton's fault"

"I'm not bothered about missing out on a score of 200. The only thing I am disappointed about is not winning the match. I would have been much happier had I scored less and we won the game"

"I tried my level best but the good thing for us was that we fought till the end"

"I was talking to every other batsman who were at the crease with me that if they take 15-20 balls to settle in then the they will find that the wicket is good to play on; For new batters at the crease the wicket wasn't that good and even I was uncomfortable at the start of the innings; The boundary on one side was very short and I was just targeting that boundary and that was my plan"

"I can't say that it was my best innings but yes I did enjoy it - if we had won, I would have said its my best innings"

"It was our bad luck that our batsmen could not get set - it was just Babar who was kind of set, but no one else could do that; This was why we lost wickets in quick succession so you cannot say that this was due to inexperience"

"In the 25th over I spoke to Saify Bhai who knows me very well, I talked to him to ask Babar if I could start playing my natural game now, as Shamsi was bowling; So at that time I was feeling that if I started hitting boundaries then I could win the game"
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So fakhar played conservatively and kept inns together up to 25th over as per team instructions and then opened up. Maybe mamoon will stop trying to troll now as to why fakhar batted how he did early on.
 
Mamoon said:
There is no excuse for Fakhar striking in the 60s between the 10th and 30th over and the way he handled the partnerships with Shadab and Asif which ultimately cost Pakistan the game.

Just because others were poor and he was by far the best batsman today doesn’t mean that he cannot be criticized or cannot be highlighted for the way he paced his innings.

When you score 61 runs in 125 balls excluding boundaries, you will find it very difficult to chase 340+. He consumed too many dot balls today.

Again, what Imam does and what others has no bearing on looking at Fakhar’s knock in isolation.
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To be honest you could excuse him. Reason being had Fakhar thrown away his wicket to aiden Markam, we would had not gotten this close even.

If he was consuming dot balls from one end, he was compensating by going after and attacking Nortje. No player dared to do that.

Its easy to break down and judge an iingis by saying 61 of 125 balls. But you have to watch the whole match and understand each and every situation.

No one player is expected to score 150 runs. You expect yourself to contribute some and get contribution from other players. Fakhar got no support.

When Markram was coming up to bowl, Fakhar gave stirke to other players, as Fakhar feels more comfortable stirking agianst pacers.
 
Regarding his slow start, i think he tried to bat through the innings and was banking on others giving quality support. He only started to accelerate when it became clear it was going to be all on him
 
Mamoon said:
Nah, I won’t call it a soft innings. It was a top innings but a big example of how important it is to pace your innings.

When you are chasing big totals, if your SR drops to the 60s and early 70s for large portions of the game, it will be very difficult for you to compensate later on.

Fakhar played a blinder in the last 20 overs, but the damage was done between the 10th and 30th overs during his partnerships with Shadab & Asif.

He left himself with too much to do later on. Far too much.
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I get where ur coming from...

But don't u think when the 2nd top scorer is babar with 30 and the 3rd is extras, that the problem lies with the rest of the team and not fakhar...

Had any other batsmen, just a single, scored a 50 for instance, we would have won the game...

Concerning the strike rate, its very difficult to keep it up when the whole team is getting out and you're playing against a team like SA in south africa.
 
This was a great knock . For Pakistan standards it was extra ordinary. The mental toughness , the fitness, the massacre of the bowling and the selflessness to refuse at least 10 singles and not worry about the 200 adds to it .

Pakistan have never chased 340 . It will require something amazing for them to ever chase that. Fakhar nearly provided that today .

Anyone showing any negativity towards it is lost and delusional .
 
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To be honest you could excuse him. Reason being had Fakhar thrown away his wicket to aiden Markam, we would had not gotten this close even.

If he was consuming dot balls from one end, he was compensating by going after and attacking Nortje. No player dared to do that.

Its easy to break down and judge an iingis by saying 61 of 125 balls. But you have to watch the whole match and understand each and every situation.

No one player is expected to score 150 runs. You expect yourself to contribute some and get contribution from other players. Fakhar got no support.

When Markram was coming up to bowl, Fakhar gave stirke to other players, as Fakhar feels more comfortable stirking agianst pacers.
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There is a difference between throwing your wicket and rotating the strike. He didn’t need to swing wildly like he did in the last 20 overs; all he needed to do was find the gaps and work the ball around and Pakistan would have maintained the run rate better.

However, he was simply standing at the crease and going nowhere with his hard hands approach. There was no finesse in his play and he always waiting for boundary balls which he did not get in the middle-overs.

You watch the likes of Kohli when he is at his best and is scripting big run chases. He rotates the strike magnificently and never lets the RRR go out of hand. He makes it look so easy and effortless.

The foundation of all great knocks in ODI cricket is built on strike rotation. Fakhar was completely reliant on boundaries today and this is a problem for him in general. You don’t bowl him boundary balls and he is helpless.
 
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