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Was today's innings from Fakhar the best ODI knock played by a Pakistani batsman?

A Fakhar special more often than not should win his side a cricket game, and just goes to show how the rest of the ten jokers should hang their heads in shame.
 
If he won the game it would have been the best. It is still one of the best knocks by a Pakistani. If only somebody supported him.
 
So fakhar played conservatively and kept inns together up to 25th over as per team instructions and then opened up. Maybe mamoon will stop trying to troll now as to why fakhar batted how he did early on.

There is a difference between batting conservatively and batting at a SR of 65 for 20 overs. Fakhar could have stayed at the wicket by rotating the strike and batting at a SR of around 85. That is how your anchor the innings.
 
I get where ur coming from...

But don't u think when the 2nd top scorer is babar with 30 and the 3rd is extras, that the problem lies with the rest of the team and not fakhar...

Had any other batsmen, just a single, scored a 50 for instance, we would have won the game...

Concerning the strike rate, its very difficult to keep it up when the whole team is getting out and you're playing against a team like SA in south africa.

Absolutely.

All other batsmen including our fake Kohli deserve to take the blame, but my point is that Fakhar’s batting between the 10th and 30th overs also contributed to the defeat.

The partnerships with Shadab and Asif were criminal.

The problem is that because he ended up scoring 193, our fans think that he is above ant type of critique. I don’t think that it is how it should be.
 
The issue with fakhar is, he doesn't have much gear as Rohit does. He lacks the beast mode of Rohit. Had he have it, pak would have won this match.
 
The issue with fakhar is, he doesn't have much gear as Rohit does. He lacks the beast mode of Rohit. Had he have it, pak would have won this match.

For Pakistan right now, it is more than good enough.
 
The issue with fakhar is, he doesn't have much gear as Rohit does. He lacks the beast mode of Rohit. Had he have it, pak would have won this match.
Yeah I doubt any batsman in the world would have pulled off a chase of 342 single handedly. I don’t think you truly understand the magnitude of the poor show on display at the other end, until I tell you this - Extras was the third scorer of the innings.
 
The issue with fakhar is, he doesn't have much gear as Rohit does. He lacks the beast mode of Rohit. Had he have it, pak would have won this match.

Talk about clutching at straws.

I mean Fakhar has a unique baseball style stance and sure at times it’s not always going to work but he’s a X factor player that can win matches where others can’t and nearly did it on his own today.

All he needed was a bit of decent support - he got very little. Our tail was very long as well, if we had a Hasan Ali at 9 or Wahab Riaz the rate wouldn’t have gone so high at the end.
 
Well Rohit hits those daddy 100s sure but I've never seen him carry the tail before

He has done that too but about 80% of the times, you will find the top 4 facing bulk of the overs India faced and that is the reason we don't recall much of that inning. I am sure there will be few such knocks too probably around 2014 or 2015.
 
Great knock but certainly not one of the best by a Pakistani.

There was no pressure on Fakhar at any point during the match because the game had already been lost around the half way mark. Fakhar had nothing to lose and while he made the most of it, even in the last two overs winning was a very remote possibility. Most of us were just hoping for a close finish and a double hundred rather than a win.

Razzaq's knock against SA was in a much closer game and there was much more pressure and nerves throughout.
 
Not the best. But still a great one.

Highest score ever while chasing so that's something.
 
Fakhar-Shadab partnership:

35 (58)

Fakhar 15 (34)

This was the match-defining period of the match. This is where the run-chase was killed off and ensured that Fakhar was left with too much to do in the end.

Fakhar was striking at 44 during this partnership. There is no excuse and justification for it.

Even if he had maintained a strike rate of 75-80 during this partnership, he could have won the match.

Unfortunately, you can be assured that our management and analysts will not have this perception and will instead be all emotionally charged and feeding Fakhar cakes.

And this why we will not improve, Fakhar will not improve and why we will remain a mediocre side and will not really learn to figure out why.

Ultimately, there is no difference between the management and the fans because they are both clueless and emotional.
 
Fakhar-Shadab partnership:

35 (58)

Fakhar 15 (34)

This was the match-defining period of the match. This is where the run-chase was killed off and ensured that Fakhar was left with too much to do in the end.

Fakhar was striking at 44 during this partnership. There is no excuse and justification for it.

Even if he had maintained a strike rate of 75-80 during this partnership, he could have won the match.

Unfortunately, you can be assured that our management and analysts will not have this perception and will instead be all emotionally charged and feeding Fakhar cakes.

And this why we will not improve, Fakhar will not improve and why we will remain a mediocre side and will not really learn to figure out why.

Ultimately, there is no difference between the management and the fans because they are both clueless and emotional.

Well this was a time when Pak lost wickets in quick session and Nortje was bowling a very good spell. He was pacing his innings very well and Pak was 70 odd for 1 after 10 overs. Wickets brought pressure and his partners were also playing double balls for each score.
 
It really takes some effort when you have to score 200 in 20 overs and have a tailenders on other side who can't even connect with the ball. It was one hell of an effort.
 
Well this was a time when Pak lost wickets in quick session and Nortje was bowling a very good spell. He was pacing his innings very well and Pak was 70 odd for 1 after 10 overs. Wickets brought pressure and his partners were also playing double balls for each score.

Opposition bowlers will bowl good spells. It is the batsmen’s job to negate those good spells.

Fakhar lacks one quality that all world class batsmen have: the ability to convert good deliveries into runs, at least into single and doubles.

Fakhar is very efficient when it comes to dispatching boundary balls. He can score against any side in the world as long as they are feeding him boundary balls.

The problem is that when you do not bowl him boundary balls, he is helpless. He lacks the finesse and the ability to work the ball around.

When you bat at a SR of 44 for 34 deliveries, you clearly have limitations that need to be worked on.

In an ODI innings, if you divide the innings over blocks of let’s say 35 deliveries, your SR should not drop to 44. It is criminal. Especially when you are chasing 330+.

Sure, every now and then even a great batsman will go through such a patch, but this is a regular occurrence with Fakhar and the major reason why he has not performed the way he should have.

This has been a problem for him throughout his career but it appears that this issue has not been identified or he does not have the ability to improve on it.

The only difference today was that he did not throw his wicket away, something which he has done with great frequency over the last couple of years whenever he has been bogged down with tight bowling and the boundary balls have been dried up.
 
For me, that 128 by Shoaib Malik in the CT v India in 2008 was the best ODI innings by a Pakistani batsman, but this is certainly up there. Would have been phenomenal if it was for a winning cause.

However this 193>>>Saeed Anwar’s 194
 
Absolutely.

All other batsmen including our fake Kohli deserve to take the blame, but my point is that Fakhar’s batting between the 10th and 30th overs also contributed to the defeat.

The partnerships with Shadab and Asif were criminal.

The problem is that because he ended up scoring 193, our fans think that he is above ant type of critique. I don’t think that it is how it should be.

Fakhars partnership with Asif was 66 of 57 balls of which Fakhar scored 46 from 29!

I think your finding faults for the sake of it.

This was an amazing knock a rare one from a Pakistani opener .

Just admit it and you will be a happier man . Trust me!
 
For me, that 128 by Shoaib Malik in the CT v India in 2008 was the best ODI innings by a Pakistani batsman, but this is certainly up there. Would have been phenomenal if it was for a winning cause.

However this 193>>>Saeed Anwar’s 194

That innings was an amazing one for the time when batsmen couldn't even dream of scoring 194 and 250 was considered a challenging total.

However, I agree that this is a better innings. Purely because of the solo effort put in by Fakhar. Absolutely no support from the other end and wickets falling regularly. Yet he was still able to keep his cool and smack Shamsi for 3 sixes in an over. Takes nerves of steel to play an innings like this, even though it ultimately ended up being in a losing cause.
 
Fakhars partnership with Asif was 66 of 57 balls of which Fakhar scored 46 from 29!

I think your finding faults for the sake of it.

This was an amazing knock a rare one from a Pakistani opener .

Just admit it and you will be a happier man . Trust me!

He accelerated later in the partnership. Check his partnership with Shadab.

35 (58)

Fakhar 15 (34)

I have no issues in accepting that it is one of the finest innings by a Pakistani ever. Why will I have an issue with that?

But anyone who disagrees that the above partnership did not contribute to the defeat is simply living in denial.

Pakistanis are emotional people. Fakhar Zaman will be treated like national treasure for the next few months and we might even erect a statue in his honor right next to Minar-e-Pakistan.

At this point, all gunah are maaf. Then when normal business resumes later on and the reality sinks in, the same fans will start bashing him.

It takes one good result, or one good performance, for our fans to format their hard drives.
 
Incredible innings. He just needed one person to stand with him and support him, but they couldn't even do that which was ridiculous and really poor.

Fakhar Zaman 193 off 155 balls
Rest of Pakistan batsmen 106 off 146 balls
 
He accelerated later in the partnership. Check his partnership with Shadab.

35 (58)

Fakhar 15 (34)

I have no issues in accepting that it is one of the finest innings by a Pakistani ever. Why will I have an issue with that?

But anyone who disagrees that the above partnership did not contribute to the defeat is simply living in denial.

Pakistanis are emotional people. Fakhar Zaman will be treated like national treasure for the next few months and we might even erect a statue in his honor right next to Minar-e-Pakistan.

At this point, all gunah are maaf. Then when normal business resumes later on and the reality sinks in, the same fans will start bashing him.

It takes one good result, or one good performance, for our fans to format their hard drives.

You're not wrong. Pakistani cricket fans have very short memories.

Yes I do agree that Fakhar played a role in the loss today, but all blame cannot be placed on him. It is obvious (as you said) that there are flaws within his game, that he needs to improve on, but like you also said, the way he managed to grit out the bad phases of play today, were something we haven't seen from him before

I think ultimately as long you see progression from the players, there's not really much more you can ask for
 
Quite an astonishing innings, must say i didn't expect this from Fakhar but these are good signs for Pakistan. They need such performances to get that self belief of winning games from improbable situations.

Terrific knock, I hope this gives him the confidence to grow into a more consistent and match winning batsman.
 
No, I have seen better knocks.

This was a poorly timed innings which is why he failed to get Pakistan over the line.

Not even his best innings.

This is incredibly harsh comment. You have a big Outcome Bias. With wickets falling all around him he had no choice but to take it as deep as possible without throwing his own wicket away. He literally had zero support after Baber. If he had half decent batsman on the other side he would have taken us across the line for sure. Just check how many bowls Ruaf and Shaheen wasted (6 runs of 20 balls) - if those balls were converted into singless we would have won it. So no issues with how he paced the innings.
 
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This is incredibly harsh comment. You have a big Outcome Bias. With wickets falling all around him he had no choice but to take it as deep as possible without throwing his own wicket away. He literally had zero support after Baber. If he had half decent batsman on the other side he would have taken us across the line for sure. Just check how many bowls Ruaf and Shaheen wasted (6 runs of 20 balls) - if those balls were converted into singless we would have won it. So no issues with how he paced the innings.

I think the outcome bias is practiced by those who refuse to see anything wrong with his innings just because he ended up with 193.

Fakhar’s partnership with Shadab killed the match. They batted for 3.5 runs an over for 10 overs and Fakhar was striking at 44 during that partnership.

It made the required run rate creep to an unmanageable level and Fakhar had simply too much to do later on and that is why he fell short in spite of the onslaught in the last 15 overs.

You cannot be striking at 44 for around 10 overs regardless of your intention to stay at the crease. He didn’t need to swing blindly during that period; all he needed to do was rotate the strike and maintain a SR of 80 which would have proved decisive for Pakistan in the end.

Fakhar scored his first 50 runs at a SR of 70. When you start so slowly in a 340 run chase, you will end up short 9 out of 10 times.

Fakhar’s weakness has not been worked on in 4 years. He is the best batsman in Pakistan when it comes to dispatching boundary balls but probably the worst batsman in Pakistan when it comes to managing tight bowling.

This is why he has struggled for consistency and failed in the World Cup two years ago. When you don’t bowl him boundary balls, he struggles to go anywhere with his innings. He looks clueless at the crease and cannot work the ball around.

He is too reliant on boundary balls and that was evident today as well.

Excluding boundaries, he scored 61 runs in 127 balls which is an illustration of very poor strike rotation that cannot be justified with wickets tumbling on the other end.

It is simply an illustration of his weakness as a batsman. He needs to convert this 61 in 127 into 80-90 in 127.

Unfortunately, the Pakistan team management is also emotional and clueless like the fans and hence are incapable of intelligent analysis. That is why we do not improve both individually and collectively.

You can bet that no one in the team coaching staff including Babar as well as Fakhar himself would be able to dissect and analyze in this manner. They simply do not have the awareness and the IQ to do it.

But this what separates mediocre teams like Pakistan from the top teams.
 
It seems a certain poster is in serious trolling mode .

The guy who single handedly nearly chased over 300 down , and was unlucky to reach a double hundred(a feat in itself) against a quality attack is being made the scapegoat for the defeat.

Yet he won't call out the monocled snail who bats for his selfish reasons to secure his spot and has no natural ability to play power shots or textbook stroke play and immediately gets out when trying to go in second gear.
 
Don't think so . To put things into perspective the 194 Anwar scored was 25 years back when par score was 220 you would rarely see some one get past 150 .
 
People are criticising Fakhar like scoring +190 is a everyday occurrence in ODI.

....Need to wake up peeps
 
Top Pakistani innings will always be Inzi 92
 
He accelerated later in the partnership. Check his partnership with Shadab.

35 (58)

Fakhar 15 (34)

I have no issues in accepting that it is one of the finest innings by a Pakistani ever. Why will I have an issue with that?

But anyone who disagrees that the above partnership did not contribute to the defeat is simply living in denial.

Pakistanis are emotional people. Fakhar Zaman will be treated like national treasure for the next few months and we might even erect a statue in his honor right next to Minar-e-Pakistan.

At this point, all gunah are maaf. Then when normal business resumes later on and the reality sinks in, the same fans will start bashing him.

It takes one good result, or one good performance, for our fans to format their hard drives.

You can't ignore the fact that pak where 4 down very early, while Fakhar had to bat through to have any chance its the batsmen at other end who could have helped him giving some momentum into innings. I think sending Shadab at that stage was a mistake .
 
Mamoon clearly doesn't understand want an accelerated innings is. Every single one of his opinions is based on hindsight. He stated Fakhar wouldn't get passed 50.

His bhagwan Tendulkar knows a thing or to about slow centuries and in a losing cause.

Many great innings start with a slow SR and then end up with higher SR. This is a mark of a good batsman, knowing when to accelerate and decelerate an innings. Fakhar was losing batting partners and the fact he took the game to the last over says it all.

Mamoon cannot accept the fact a Pakistan player hit a fantastic innings and proved him wrong in the process.

Don't feed this troll.

I have been a big critic of Tendulkar,but it's not true that he played slowly . You can count the number of innings in his entire career in which he was not fluent . Yeah he was not great at finishing of matches, could have done more ..thats a different topic
 
I have been a big critic of Tendulkar,but it's not true that he played slowly . You can count the number of innings in his entire career in which he was not fluent . Yeah he was not great at finishing of matches, could have done more ..thats a different topic

The point I am making is that in the end Fakhar ended up with a +100 SR. For an ODI, this is the gold standard.
 
I think the outcome bias is practiced by those who refuse to see anything wrong with his innings just because he ended up with 193.

Fakhar’s partnership with Shadab killed the match. They batted for 3.5 runs an over for 10 overs and Fakhar was striking at 44 during that partnership.

It made the required run rate creep to an unmanageable level and Fakhar had simply too much to do later on and that is why he fell short in spite of the onslaught in the last 15 overs.

You cannot be striking at 44 for around 10 overs regardless of your intention to stay at the crease. He didn’t need to swing blindly during that period; all he needed to do was rotate the strike and maintain a SR of 80 which would have proved decisive for Pakistan in the end.

Fakhar scored his first 50 runs at a SR of 70. When you start so slowly in a 340 run chase, you will end up short 9 out of 10 times.

Fakhar’s weakness has not been worked on in 4 years. He is the best batsman in Pakistan when it comes to dispatching boundary balls but probably the worst batsman in Pakistan when it comes to managing tight bowling.

This is why he has struggled for consistency and failed in the World Cup two years ago. When you don’t bowl him boundary balls, he struggles to go anywhere with his innings. He looks clueless at the crease and cannot work the ball around.

He is too reliant on boundary balls and that was evident today as well.

Excluding boundaries, he scored 61 runs in 127 balls which is an illustration of very poor strike rotation that cannot be justified with wickets tumbling on the other end.

It is simply an illustration of his weakness as a batsman. He needs to convert this 61 in 127 into 80-90 in 127.

Unfortunately, the Pakistan team management is also emotional and clueless like the fans and hence are incapable of intelligent analysis. That is why we do not improve both individually and collectively.

You can bet that no one in the team coaching staff including Babar as well as Fakhar himself would be able to dissect and analyze in this manner. They simply do not have the awareness and the IQ to do it.

But this what separates mediocre teams like Pakistan from the top teams.

Bro there was never a match to begin with.

No one expected pakistan to make 250 after the fall of wickets.

In hindsight you can look at it anyway you want.

These is no point in dkssecting this. What fakhar did was just impossible, something that one could dream off.

And for all the disections and analysis, had the 47th over been played well, we might have pulled it off.

Had the 47th over been attackes for 20, than no one would had been disecting anything.

He took on Nortje, even thought Nortje was bowling well. Yes fakhar is not ur babar azam type player that will get you a four off a good bowler, but what fakahr did tonight was just extraordinary and something that we might nor witness again.

In hindisight, you could say fakahr played a particular over bad or whatever, but by not throwing his wicket earlier he got us this close.

Had he pulled off the 47th over, this discussion wouldnt been taking place.

Its like the west indies 2016 world t20 performance. At rhe end, carlos braiwath pulled off 4 sixes. Didnt matter what West indies had done before, they pulled off a win that nighr
 
Bro there was never a match to begin with.

No one expected pakistan to make 250 after the fall of wickets.

In hindsight you can look at it anyway you want.

These is no point in dkssecting this. What fakhar did was just impossible, something that one could dream off.

And for all the disections and analysis, had the 47th over been played well, we might have pulled it off.

Had the 47th over been attackes for 20, than no one would had been disecting anything.

He took on Nortje, even thought Nortje was bowling well. Yes fakhar is not ur babar azam type player that will get you a four off a good bowler, but what fakahr did tonight was just extraordinary and something that we might nor witness again.

In hindisight, you could say fakahr played a particular over bad or whatever, but by not throwing his wicket earlier he got us this close.

Had he pulled off the 47th over, this discussion wouldnt been taking place.

Its like the west indies 2016 world t20 performance. At rhe end, carlos braiwath pulled off 4 sixes. Didnt matter what West indies had done before, they pulled off a win that nighr

Probably the best post I've read from you.

The analogy in the last paragraph sums it up really well.
 
Great great inning , reminds me of some of great Tendulkar efforts of the past.
 
Apart from Rohit no other person has managed to hit 200 in OD twice , Rohit has done it three times.

The way Fakhar bats I think he can hit another 200 soon
 
Its the highest ever total in a chase. Babar scored 31 and no one else even crossed 20. How is this NOT a great knock?

Go read the title of this thread again. No one is denying that it was a great innings. The greatest? Not a chance.

How exactly? Even bringing it from 205-7 with no recognized batsmen left, carrying the tail, singlehandedly to the last over is amazing. The second highest score was 31. The fact that he played from over number 1 seeing 8 other batsmen get out on the other end. i have never seen somebody singlehandedly carry a chase like that, not just in Pakistan cricket.

Firstly, he couldn't finish the job. Secondly, he started off quite slowly and hurt the momentum of the chase. Additionally, I believe he was dropped twice.

Great innings but not the best innings by a Pakistani batsman.
 
Highest % of team's tally in a completed ODI innings for Pakistan:

59.57 - Fakhar Zaman (193 out of 324/9)

59.32 - Saeed Anwar (194 out of 327/5)
 
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