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With our openers and pace bowlers scraping the barrel I can see we are going to get humiliated like we never have before. Worse than our previous 3 tours.
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We are going to get demolished in Australia
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Boi
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lol these are the best openers technically we've had in a while. They'll come good, we have to be patient.
Pace bowlers are crap yes I agree.
Pace bowlers are crap yes I agree.
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Technically the openers are decent as they have their stumps covered but it seems like that they don't know that they're job is not to just block, shoulder arm or duck on balls that are coming towards them.
If they continue scoring 10-0 in 20 overs then they would surely make records.
If they continue scoring 10-0 in 20 overs then they would surely make records.
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The fast bowling stocks are extremely mediocre at the moment.
I don't think the current Pakistani quicks are capable of taking wickets.
Imran- Lack of pace and inconsistent line
Wahab- Erratic
Amir- Average, susceptible to pressure
Rahat- Erratic, brainless
Sohail- Lack of match fitness
I don't think the current Pakistani quicks are capable of taking wickets.
Imran- Lack of pace and inconsistent line
Wahab- Erratic
Amir- Average, susceptible to pressure
Rahat- Erratic, brainless
Sohail- Lack of match fitness
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It was always on the cards. England tour was an aberration.
The openers are fine. And I say that as someone who wanted Salman Butt to tour.
The problems are basically three players: Younis Khan and Misbah will be smashed to pieces while Sohail Khan has no stamina and is too slow to bowl his erratic line and length. But at least he will score a few runs.
The problems are basically three players: Younis Khan and Misbah will be smashed to pieces while Sohail Khan has no stamina and is too slow to bowl his erratic line and length. But at least he will score a few runs.
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Nothing new. Every team except south africa and england lately have been demolished by australia in australia.
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The decline of our Test team has started, but I think we can look forward to a mini resurgence in Limited Overs. Things are shaping up nicely in the shorter formats, but Azhar needs to step down.
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Many PPers making same mistakes all over again.
You guys were confidient Pakistan would trash Windies 3-0 but Windies fought well in 3 matches and won the last one comfortably.
You guys were so sure that this "settled" Pakistan team would win against Kiwis because Kiwis just had been beaten by India. And also the fact Pakistan had done well in NZ previously.
You never thought how Pakistan will cope with Southee, Boult, Henry, Wagner on those pitches?
And now you are bringing the beating in NZ to predict the outcome of Aus tour. I am actually having a good feeling. Pakistan will compete better in Aus. But if they do well against Aus that will not make them a better team than India as many of you will start saying right away. Aus at the moment is a poor team but winning the last match will give them confidience before Pakistan series.
You guys were confidient Pakistan would trash Windies 3-0 but Windies fought well in 3 matches and won the last one comfortably.
You guys were so sure that this "settled" Pakistan team would win against Kiwis because Kiwis just had been beaten by India. And also the fact Pakistan had done well in NZ previously.
You never thought how Pakistan will cope with Southee, Boult, Henry, Wagner on those pitches?
And now you are bringing the beating in NZ to predict the outcome of Aus tour. I am actually having a good feeling. Pakistan will compete better in Aus. But if they do well against Aus that will not make them a better team than India as many of you will start saying right away. Aus at the moment is a poor team but winning the last match will give them confidience before Pakistan series.
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The team needs to start batting a lot better for starters. The lack of batting discipline has been apparent from the 2nd inns of the 1st test V West indies up until this current test. Our entire line up is just going out to bat with no game plan and the number of rash shots been played is unbelievable! Captain and coach need to sit down with all our batsmen and start asking questions of what we are trying to achieve here? Once we start putting runs on board again we will win tests with our bowling even though its Not a world class bowling unit.
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Unlike most Pak ppers I think Pak will do much better than what they did in NZ. May be even they will win 1 test.
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This is your best chance in Australia..
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They lost 0-5 in last Ashes down under.
Except SA no one has done well in AUS flat wickets or not at least we drew 2 matches.
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Aus is not having a great time either so it's a question of Pakistan doing reasonably well to be competitive. Here, pacers bowled poorly to not take advantage of green pitch when bowling first. NZ never came under pressure due to getting a decent total in first inning. I would have liked to see NZ not getting more than 200 then game may have been different.
Batsmen, pacers and catching need to improve, but Aus is not doing great either. Pakistan has more stable team as well. I see Aus winning the series, but Yasir can come in play some time in series. Recently, Pakistan has won only when Yasir did well.
Batsmen, pacers and catching need to improve, but Aus is not doing great either. Pakistan has more stable team as well. I see Aus winning the series, but Yasir can come in play some time in series. Recently, Pakistan has won only when Yasir did well.
Depends on the pitches and conditions.
If the pitches are green with lots of bounce, expect Aus to trounce Pak badly.
If the pitches are flat with turn for spinners on Day 4 & 5, expect Pak to do well.
Australia is also a mediocre side now. They still have 3 or 4 top quality players. But the rest are passengers.
Still the best chance for Pak to win a series.
If the pitches are green with lots of bounce, expect Aus to trounce Pak badly.
If the pitches are flat with turn for spinners on Day 4 & 5, expect Pak to do well.
Australia is also a mediocre side now. They still have 3 or 4 top quality players. But the rest are passengers.
Still the best chance for Pak to win a series.
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Atleast Inzi thinks the boys did well, because he made ZERO changes to the squad. I mean seriously I still can't get over that decision.
So Inzi sahab I have a question for you, do you honestly think we can go into a high profile series without a SINGLE back-up middle order batsman? Or we can continue to have "fast" bowlers who struggle to bowl more than 130 kph?
So Inzi sahab I have a question for you, do you honestly think we can go into a high profile series without a SINGLE back-up middle order batsman? Or we can continue to have "fast" bowlers who struggle to bowl more than 130 kph?
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We have done more than just drawing in australia especially in the 2003-2004 and 2008 tour of australia. That was australia's best era in cricket.
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1-1 in 2003/04
1-2 in 2007/08
0-4 in 2011/12
0-2 in 2014/15
2 wins, 5 draws and 9 losses in last 4 tours. Except 2011/12 series we did okay since turn of the millennium.
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No as a Kiwi I think the Pakistan Batters and bowlers will love the flat dry conditions in Aussie, even though i'm not a fan I think Younis will get at least 2 hundreds because he is due, and people over rate how bouncy the pitches in Aussie are because apart from the Waca the NZ pitches are faster/bouncier (even the aussie players said that).
Think Sohail and Khan will be the key fast bowlers because Wahab was only bowling 135kph in NZ and Amir is slower with no movement.
I'd have Sohai, Khan, Wahab/Ali(7 left handers in aus) and Shah in the attack
Think Sohail and Khan will be the key fast bowlers because Wahab was only bowling 135kph in NZ and Amir is slower with no movement.
I'd have Sohai, Khan, Wahab/Ali(7 left handers in aus) and Shah in the attack
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Australia are weaker than NZ at the current time so now is theoretically the best time to be playing them on their own turf. But the current line up won't cope any better with the conditions there than they did in NZ so a defeat is very much on the cards.
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Conditions will be easier in Australia so I do not think Pakistan is going to get demolished in Australia.
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Will depend on the pitches, if Aus curators saw the current series they would know what to do.
On flat pitches Wahab and Yasir would come into play not sure how well Aus batsmen would cope up with that also
Babar/Ali/Shafiq will be able to deal with raw pace on flat pitches.
On flat pitches Wahab and Yasir would come into play not sure how well Aus batsmen would cope up with that also
Babar/Ali/Shafiq will be able to deal with raw pace on flat pitches.
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All depends on our batting.
We should be able to do better on those flat wickets (MCG, SCG).
But this is Pakistan the most unpredictable side in the world.
We should be able to do better on those flat wickets (MCG, SCG).
But this is Pakistan the most unpredictable side in the world.
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Aussies are also capable of producing non-flat wickets and their batsmen (although mediocre) will be able to bat better on those pitches than our band of no-hopers.
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Aus is as ordinary as it gets if ball moves sideways. Even Pakistan may be able to out bat Aus. Main issue may be lack of good pacers with Pakistan here.
Bowling in AUS is lot about pace and Yasir coming to the party in Sydney and second innings in general. Amir and Wahab has to increase their pace. Pakistan success will depend a lot upon at what pace they are bowling... Avg pace has to be 140+ for Amir and 145 for Wahab. At 135 and 140 they will do no damage. Pacy spells at right time are needed, not strolling all day
Rabada was bowling his heart out, that was key to his success.
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3-0 Australia.
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Australia will win 2-1.
We couldn't win a match against nz because it was a 2 matches' serie so we didn't have enough time to tire theirs bowlers but in a 3 matches serie i think we should have finish tiring them around mid 3rd test so we should win the last match against tired bowlers.
We couldn't win a match against nz because it was a 2 matches' serie so we didn't have enough time to tire theirs bowlers but in a 3 matches serie i think we should have finish tiring them around mid 3rd test so we should win the last match against tired bowlers.
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And inchallah we will get a honorable 2-1 serie defeat,it's not like pak have win any serie in australia before anyway
You've been spot on with almost everything you've predicted so far with the new Zealand tour. Let's see if your predictions about Australia come true.
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We will suprise some people in Australia imo. If we can see of the new ball and catch the ball we have a chance. Aussies new players will be under pressure to perform so got to take advantage of that.
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That's a massive ask right now. Our bowlers at the moment are bowling like bowling machines on 'random deliveries' setting.
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I'd agree with you but our preparations have been god awful, squad selections have not helped either. There is no urgency unlike for the England tour.
Line up the players:
Warner v Azhar Ali: 8 v 6
Renshaw v Sami Aslam: 5 v 6
Khawaja v Babar: 7 v 7
Smith v Younis: 8 v 3
Handscomb v Misbah: 5 v 5
Maddinson v Shafiq: 3 v 6
Wade v Sarfraz: 4 v 6
Starc v Amir: 8 v 7
Hazlewood v Sohail: 7 v 4
Bird v Wahab: 4 v 6
Lyon v Yasir: 4 v 8
It's do-able.
Our seam bowlers are pretty pedestrian at the moment that's for sure (except Imran Khan for Australian pitches) but then again Australian batting right now is also pretty awful. So should be a competitive series.
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Australian batsmen are actually very skilled, but they don't have discipline. They struggle against bowlers who can bowl on the same spot all day long, because then it comes a test of their temperament.
However, few teams are better than Australia when it comes to punishing bowlers who lack discipline.
Actually, although Imran is a very good bowler in Asian conditions he is completely unsuited to Australian conditions.
It's okay to be slow if you get lift from a full length. He doesn't.
I don't think Imran Khan is selectable in Australia, sorry. Skiddy Asian bowlers always fail here - even Waqar.
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Can't believe Imran Khan (who in reality is Umar Gul 2.0) has SO many fans. I mean seriously, did I not get the memo or something. I saw this guys bowling in the very match he picked up six wickets and at NO point he seemed like a bowler who would threaten any good batsman.
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We're not. Different conditions. Our batting will enjoy Melbourne and Sydney.
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So Amir is as good as Hazelwood because you gave both a 7.
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What is your prediction for the series?
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Our fast bowling has regressed that is the main reason of our failure. Unless we find some fast bowlers with wicket taking ability we cannot think about winning tournaments outside of U.A.E.
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Bowlers were responsible for our defeat in second test they failed to restrict NZ below 200.
Amir is considerably better than Hazlewood but has inferior slips to catch the edges.
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We have too high an expectation of our team ..... with no real talent to back it up. Alll our players are ATGs ... if you follow any Cricket Blogs in Pakistan. Elsewhere though .... we are called " Frogs in the well " .... for all the right reason. Our world is just too small ... and it is time for us to fess up to that fact. Soooo .... you can thump your chests all you want ..... but loosing 9 wickets in a session never happened before ..... think about it !!!!
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Pakistan have resorted to spin bowlers as their main weaponry over the last six years or so.
You're simply not going to compete in places like Australia with that strategy.
Need to get their fast bowling stocks in order to have any chance of being competitive down under.
You're simply not going to compete in places like Australia with that strategy.
Need to get their fast bowling stocks in order to have any chance of being competitive down under.
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It's kind of hard to know when you're being serious or not.
How is Amir considerably better?
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Cancel the tour on security ground.
Hazlewood is a very poor man's version of Asif or McGrath. Terrific accuracy at fast-medium pace, but inferior because he is gunbarrel straight.
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lmao
So you think that Amir is just as good as Hazlewood?.
No, I think Amir is considerably better than Hazlewood, but takes less wickets because he bowls to an elderly slip cordon with the reflexes of a blind man.
Thanks you just made me laugh, we need little things like this during the day to make us smile.
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Every bowler on the world is below Amir because Amir has more potential.
You would think they make them grow on trees and shake them like apples when its ready.
I've watched Hazlewood since he was a junior.
Excellent bowler who has a nagging line and length.
Exceedingly similar to Ehsan Adil, but groomed much better.
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Wasim and Waqar had tons of catches dropped off of them, but still ended ATGs.
You know why?
Because Waqar got people bowled with his Yorkers and LBW at pace.
Wasim was deceptive and could bowl 6 different deliveries and outfox people.
Amir is pedestrian straight at the moment (it could change at some point as I write this), and needs an ultra green track to get those edges. And when fielders don't catch, he goes into moping oblivion.
How in the world would anyone rate Amir as better than Hazelwood and then label himself as Australian is beyond me.
You are assuming that Amir is an inswing bowler like Wasim Akram. He isn't. Not with the red ball.
But he is better with the new ball than Wasim was and he is better at slanting the ball across to the slips. Amir makes the right-handed batsman play more of those balls ironically (for me!) due to his lack of height meaning that he gets less bounce and the batsman can't leave balls on length like they could with Wasim Akram.
Sorry I do not believe that you have watched Hazlewood since he was in the juniors because you think he bowls gunbarrel straight and even if you watched his last test match you would know that is BS.
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Hazlewood moves the ball both ways. Not sure if we are talking about the same Hazlewood here. You watched him and think that he is gun barren straight?
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If that is indeed the case, you shouldn't be worried much.
Despite, the drop catches, he will outshine others.
After all, he's better than Wasim Akram .....
Amla also thinks he is gunbarrel straight and we all know how that worked out.
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This gun barrel straight bowler will run through Pakistan's line up at least twice in 3 tests like a knife slices through hot butter.
I am not worried about Starc because he has pace, but he will need breathers.
I am sure people underestimating Hazelwood and calling him worse than Amir are going to wake up in a month's time.
I am not worried about Starc because he has pace, but he will need breathers.
I am sure people underestimating Hazelwood and calling him worse than Amir are going to wake up in a month's time.
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You can underestimate or overestimate, but Hazelwood being gunbarrel straight is factually wrong. He is one of the few bowlers in world who moves it both ways.
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Hope Starc picks up a 10fer.
Pakistan be prepared, Australia have found their own Azhar Ali, Renshaw is going to bore your fielders and sneak a century. Fight fire with fire.
Pakistan be prepared, Australia have found their own Azhar Ali, Renshaw is going to bore your fielders and sneak a century. Fight fire with fire.
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They got 1, we got 5.Hope Starc picks up a 10fer.
Pakistan be prepared, Australia have found their own Azhar Ali, Renshaw is going to bore your fielders and sneak a century. Fight fire with fire.
Hazlewood is a really good line and length bowler. No argument.
But he tried to develop some swing in England and it was a disaster.
Yes, the odd one deviates if he hits the seam. But generally he gets batsmen out when they misjudge the line and length and go fishing outside off-stump.
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Pakistan batsmen will like the Australian conditions. They play better on hard wickets with true bounce. Brisbane might be difficult but Melbourne and Sydney will suit them. Also Australia is pretty weak now, their deadrubber win notwithstanding. If any Asian team has a chance of winning a series there, it is now.
However the bowlers need to be spot on with their radar. If Pak gets flat wickets and the bowlers spray the new cherry around, everything can go south pretty soon.
However the bowlers need to be spot on with their radar. If Pak gets flat wickets and the bowlers spray the new cherry around, everything can go south pretty soon.
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No they won't, they are in an inception type dream within a dream within a dream.
They woke up from the Amir will light the world on fire after his come back dream, few more dreams to wake up from before they are in real life.
You have watched a lot of cricket Junaids, why don't all the teams have two or more of these line and length bowlers in their team taking wickets @ 25 runs apiece, I mean why would Pakistan for instance not have bowlers like this, a bowler who just bowls line and length (you must admit that there are hundreds of these bowlers) and gets the batsmen out when they misjudge the line and length and go fishing outside off-stump. You scoff at Hazlewoods talent because he is just a line and length bowler so why don't Pakistan have three of them backing up the over talented Amir, is there a reason that Pakistan don't have a line and length bowler like Hazlewood or is it their selectors just wont pick them.
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taking 60 overs to score 100 odd runs is the latest example of how they lack the scoring shots. Defense is not the only thing you need to be successful. You have to score which is what matters the most. Survival is good when you are looking to draw but we have to win no?
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A quickfire 30 off 20 balls, just puts pressure on the team.
We all saw what happened when Babar Azam threw his wicket in search of quick runs and Sarfraz committed suicide.
Instead of the chase happening, we actually lost.
If you want to win, you need proper batsmen.
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I didn't say they should be batting like T20 but at least what modern test cricket requires. They should be able to bat at a standard test rate and not bat like it's 60s of cricket.
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Unfortunately when you talk about stroke makers, you always bring Umar or Kamran Akmal.
Both are not good enough.
My point is adding Umar Akmal to the team would not have changed the result. Only made defeat inevitable faster by his quickfire 30 off 20.
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