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"We wanted them to really grovel": South Africa head coach Shukri Conrad

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South Africa head coach Shukri Conrad speaking during the post-play press conference, when asked why South Africa batted for nearly 80 overs:

"We wanted India to spend as much time on their feet out in the field. We wanted them to really grovel, to steal a phrase, bat them completely out the game and then say to them well come and survive on the last day and an hour this evening."

"There were a few factors. We obviously were looking at how best we are going to use the new ball, so that in the morning we still get a newish, hard ball."

"We felt that when the shadows come across the pitch in the evening, there's something in it for the quick bowlers. So we didn't want to declare too early and not be able to use that (with hard ball).”

"And then obviously we wanted India to spend as much time on their feet out in the field."

"So far so good but we also know they are just not going to roll over. We have to be at our very best tomorrow but those are the factors that we considered here."

"Some people would say you batted for too long. I don't think it is. I don't think there's a right and a wrong in anything. We wanted India to come out again after that second break and again spend time on their feet."

"Their bowlers spent a lot of time out there. We saw the effects of batting for two full days in the first innings and what sort of effect it had on them.”

"Yeah it was never going to be easy for the opening batters to come this evening (with) especially new ball shadows across the wicket."

"So if tomorrow evening, it comes that we have them eight down and people say well see 'we told you so'. Well, I mean we have got to base it on our sound judgment and if that doesn't work out well, it doesn't."
 
Back in 1976, England captain Tony Greig used the word “grovel” before a home Test series against West Indies. The remark was seen as racially loaded and deeply offensive, especially given the colonial backdrop. The West Indies responded on the field with ferocious fast bowling, dominating England and turning the phrase into a symbol of defiance.

This is what Tony Greig said: “I'm not really sure they're as good as everyone thinks," he said. “These guys, if they get on top they are magnificent cricketers. But if they're down, they grovel, and I intend, with the help of Closey [Brian Close] and a few others, to make them grovel."



History shows why words matter. “Grovel” wasn’t just trash talk—it carried ugly undertones. The West Indies turned that insult into fuel, and the series became legendary.
 
lol Indians trying to copy others. Funny how after this Grovel comment, they will now act as if they are the West indies. The kumars equivalating themselves to the likes of Holding etc.

Good comments made by the Sa head coach. They really did made the indians to Grovel.
 
MEanwhile im loving the over reaction in India. This is what you get when you call others a Boona. Now these guys are whining
 
Back in 1976, England captain Tony Greig used the word “grovel” before a home Test series against West Indies. The remark was seen as racially loaded and deeply offensive, especially given the colonial backdrop. The West Indies responded on the field with ferocious fast bowling, dominating England and turning the phrase into a symbol of defiance.

This is what Tony Greig said: “I'm not really sure they're as good as everyone thinks," he said. “These guys, if they get on top they are magnificent cricketers. But if they're down, they grovel, and I intend, with the help of Closey [Brian Close] and a few others, to make them grovel."



History shows why words matter. “Grovel” wasn’t just trash talk—it carried ugly undertones. The West Indies turned that insult into fuel, and the series became legendary.
And India rolled over like a pack of cards. Levels
 
How humiliating. And then actually following through with it and beating them with 1.5 sessions remaining in the test match. Gotta love this level of confidence from the head-coach.
 
How humiliating. And then actually following through with it and beating them with 1.5 sessions remaining in the test match. Gotta love this level of confidence from the head-coach.

Don't worry bro, like that Indian poster using a Pakistani username said, India will be unstoppable in cricket soon. No team will be able to compete with them soon. All roads lead to an Indian dynasty in cricket.
 
Dale Steyn speaking on Cricket Live before the start of Day 5:

“I’m not on that boat. I don’t like it. Honestly, I almost don’t want to respond. Some things simply shouldn’t be said. That word carries stigma. It wasn’t needed at all. South Africa was already completely in control—silence would’ve been enough. I just don’t agree with it.”

“Maybe his tone wasn’t like Tony Greig’s, but that changes nothing. It’s a word you should never bring up. Leave it aside. It was disappointing. I’m sorry, Shukri, but it was disappointing.”
 
Temba Bavuma speaking at the post-match press conference when asked about the comment that sparked a controversy:

"Comments made by the coach came to me this morning. I was focused on the game and didn't have a chance to speak to him. Shukri is close to 60 years old, and he will have a look at his comments."

"But in this series, certain guys have also crossed the line. Not saying coach crossed the line, but he will surely think about it."
 
Does "grovel" have any negative connotations in India the same way it may have done for black West Indies players?

I have seen some speculate that Indians are touchy about this word after their request to Donald Trump for a ceasefire during the obliteration they faced in Bunyan-e-marsos. Does it go beyond this too?
 
lol Indians trying to copy others. Funny how after this Grovel comment, they will now act as if they are the West indies. The kumars equivalating themselves to the likes of Holding etc.

Good comments made by the Sa head coach. They really did made the indians to Grovel.


This was perfect language for the Indians. They needed to be reminded of their historic standing.
 
Poor choice by the coach . Grovel is a very loaded word in cricket history. I think the bauna comment really riled up the South African side.

In Sports you have to respect the opposing players and team
 
Does "grovel" have any negative connotations in India the same way it may have done for black West Indies players?

I have seen some speculate that Indians are touchy about this word after their request to Donald Trump for a ceasefire during the obliteration they faced in Bunyan-e-marsos. Does it go beyond this too?
Nope.

Indians watched a documentary or some one indian remembered an old news controversy, and they decided to go crazy.

Not knowing what the word meant or its connection to black people.

Its like when someone may have called an indian an N word and that indian may have gone crazy.

Anyways, the lack of understanding of English Language is in full display.

Still i find it funny that, when the word was used against the West Indies, that resulted in their pace attack uniting. Than i imagine the Indians in comparison to those tall West Indian beasts, and i get this image of bunch of skinny kumars standing next to each other.

Like in that 83 movie of kapil dev, one funny scene was when one indian player gets mesmerized seeing the West Indies pace bowlers at an event and he goes on hello sar, holding sar, sar sar sar.....
 
Nope.

Indians watched a documentary or some one indian remembered an old news controversy, and they decided to go crazy.

Not knowing what the word meant or its connection to black people.

Its like when someone may have called an indian an N word and that indian may have gone crazy.

Anyways, the lack of understanding of English Language is in full display.

Still i find it funny that, when the word was used against the West Indies, that resulted in their pace attack uniting. Than i imagine the Indians in comparison to those tall West Indian beasts, and i get this image of bunch of skinny kumars standing next to each other.

Like in that 83 movie of kapil dev, one funny scene was when one indian player gets mesmerized seeing the West Indies pace bowlers at an event and he goes on hello sar, holding sar, sar sar sar.....
I thought it may have been a very serious consideraing the Indians that love free speech and providing context, and did gymnastics to defend useage of Bauna, or when Harbhajan called Symonds a monkey were not doing gymnastics to defend Shukri Saheb.
 
Was poor choice of words. Then again India also had some poor choice of words against Bavuma. And the sa coach probably just meant he wanted India to suffer, there’s no malice. While Indians were actually mocking bavuma, albeit amongst themselves.
 
I think modern Indian Cricketers (led by Gill, SKY, etc) should tone down their behaviour and attitude... Now it looks like Kohli (ultra-aggressive on field but never used to abuse opposition mostly) and Rohit (aggressive & at times abusive on his own team mates but never did the same to opposition) were million dollars better than these next gen... And this affects your own concentration and even can spark the opposition... I think for some time Indian Cricket is going to suffer a decline...
 
I think modern Indian Cricketers (led by Gill, SKY, etc) should tone down their behaviour and attitude... Now it looks like Kohli (ultra-aggressive on field but never used to abuse opposition mostly) and Rohit (aggressive & at times abusive on his own team mates but never did the same to opposition) were million dollars better than these next gen... And this affects your own concentration and even can spark the opposition... I think for some time Indian Cricket is going to suffer a decline...
It was never easy to replace the likes of Kohli and Sharma.
 
indians just trying to divert attention, fact is they lost 2-0 and they need to start the rework by kicking out this banana coach

They lost 10 out of their last 17 Tests.

Instead of addressing and correcting it, they are getting defensive and bringing up wins from 5 years ago. LOL. :yk
 
They lost 10 out of their last 17 Tests.

Instead of addressing and correcting it, they are getting defensive and bringing up wins from 5 years ago. LOL. :yk
The players in their lineup like sai, dhruv...these are no 3 and 4...even zimbabwe team will say thank you to them ..have their no better option in domestics?
 
I think more and more teams may make India to grovel in Test. :inti

This Indian team are likely to lose to Australia, NZ, and South Africa both home and away.

They may draw with England because England have declined.

They may beat SL at home but I expect them to lose against SL in SL.

I also expect them to lose a Test in Mirpur if they play there.

India have officially become a mid-tier Test team. :inti
 
context, context, context

Tony Greig (from a team who had control over cricketing matters) was talking about a less influential team with all the negative connotations of race at the time (there’s also Tony greig’s South African connection - which was an apartheid regime at the time).

Shukri was making a statement against a team that is widely considered the owner of the ICC.

Massive difference

Shukri was making an anti imperialistic statement that will resonate with resistance groups.
 
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