"We're hurt by the result, hurt as a nation, but the beauty of the game is it always gives you another chance": Shan Masood

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Pakistan captain, Shan Masood speaking during a Pakistan vs England post-match presentation ceremony:

"When you put 556 on the board, it's very important to back that up with 10 wickets and keep the game close. That's something we didn't do.

"If we take those 10 wickets and have England around our score, then the 220 runs we scored on a fifth day becomes challenging for them. That's the key.

"We've got to work things out as a team, how the batting and bowling in the first innings contribute to a lead and hopefully set the match up. That's something we're struggling with.

"As a team, we have to improve with our second innings batting but the most important thing, like I said, is learning how to take 20 wickets. That's the challenge going forward."

"Where I'd like the team to improve is, no matter what the pitch is like, we must find a way out. England showed us the way in this Test, you have to give huge credit to them.

"We're hurt by the result, hurt as a nation, but the beauty of the game is it always gives you another chance. The quick turnaround [to second Test] might be beneficial to us and we're looking forward to it.

"I never try to shy away from responsibility. What hurts is that we're not getting the results that Pakistan cricket deserves. We are all trying hard, we're going to give it our all and try to turn this around."


Speaking during a Post Match Presser:

Pitch:


“There are things that are not in our control, like the pitch behavior, as I said earlier. We played last test match in Multan in 2022, it was a different pitch, prepared differently, and our squad was different, as was England's. Here we expected the pitch to start deteriorating quickly, around the end of day two or the start of day three. That's why we tried to extend our first innings as much as possible. But England taught us a lesson, a harsh reality that you need to find a way. They found a way and took 20 wickets. We can't say that 20 wickets can't be taken on this pitch.”

“The key point is that we need to find a way to succeed as a team. In Test cricket, the formula for winning is taking 20 wickets. We can't win a Test match without dismissing the entire opposing team twice. Our focus should be on taking those 20 wickets and scoring a competitive total in our first innings. These are the things we need to focus on, rather than just trying to save the match or avoid defeat. We need to find a way to win the match, and we'll only do that when we set up our batting and take 20 wickets with our bowling no matter what type of pitch it is."

Disappointment on losing the match:

"I don't think there can be more disappointment than losing a match, especially when you're representing Pakistan, whether as a player or a captain, it hurts a lot. In my six-match tenure as captain, we've repeated the same mistakes in Test matches. We set up the match, but then we let it slip from our grasp. This match was no different. When you score 550 runs and bat for two days, there's a human element that comes into play. The opposing team feels the pressure of the scoreboard, especially in these conditions. So, we need to find a way to capitalize on that and get back into the game.”

“As a team, we can't point fingers at any individual or institution. There are certain principles in red-ball cricket, and one of them is that if you want to win Test matches, you need to find a way to do so. You need to respond consistently to the conditions over the course of five days and find a way to win Test matches.”

About Batting Approach:

"This is not just a simple bat and ball contest. We're representing Pakistan, and we need to take responsibility for our performances. We can't just blame the conditions or the pitch. We need to analyze our game and see where we're going wrong. If we're batting first in a Test match, especially in conditions like these, we need to post a big first innings score. And then, we need to keep the opposing team to a score that's around our total or slightly higher. We can't let them get too far ahead.”

“If we look at the pitch, it's not the same on day one as it is on day four or five. When England got the new ball, they had an opportunity to take the game away from us. The cracks were open, and it was a window of opportunity for them. We need to absorb those periods better and play better cricket. We've had these lapses before.”

”In conditions like these, we need to set up a big total in the first innings and then try to take wickets in a way that allows us to drive the game forward in the third innings. The 220 runs we scored in the second innings, if we had a 50-run lead or even a 50-run deficit, then chasing 170 in the last 2 sessions of the last day would have been a different story.”

About Mistakes:

"We've played three times in Pakistan, and if we look at the pitches, conditions, and situations, we can see that we're not doing enough. If we look at the first innings scores, 450-6 declared, 274, 556; these are good scores considering the pitches. But we need to find a way to combine our batting and bowling efforts in the first innings to stay in the game and then drive it forward.”

“We can identify many things that went wrong, like Harry Brook and Joe Root's partnership, Abdullah Shafique and I scored 100 and 150, and Babar Azam's dismissal, Mohammad Rizwan, our consistent run-getter, couldn't perform, we didn't take wickets when we needed to. When the new ball came, we didn't get a wicket. If we had taken a wicket at that time, the game might have been different.”

“We can identify these mistakes easily, but now our job is to learn from them. We can't just keep repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results."

Abrar Ahmed’s injury:

“Abrar Ahmed's condition is not good, and he's hospitalized. Our prayers are with him, and we hope he recovers soon and gets back to playing cricket.”

About Spinner’s backup:

“We'll reflect on today's mistakes and see what we could have done better. We'll talk to the ground staff and see what conditions they're preparing for the next Test. We weren't in Multan before the first Test, and the Champions Cup was going on, so we didn't have much involvement in preparing the pitches. But we'll discuss it with them and see what conditions they're preparing. We'll try to select the best combination for the second Test, considering the requirements of the pitch and conditions.”

Babar Azam’s form:

“We're trying to build a squad mentality, especially in Test cricket, where we don't play as many matches. We need to give players opportunities and plenty of chances. There's no doubt that Babar Azam is one of Pakistan's best batter. We always have faith that our best batter will come good and is just one innings away. Our thought process is still the same, and we'll reflect on today's performance and see what we can do better. We'll try to put out the best combination for the second Test and fulfill the requirements of the pitch and conditions."

Learnings from this game:

"The harsh reality is that England found a way, and we could not. After two days of being under the sun and then losing 10 wickets to give them a chance to bat, they came back strong. When they returned with the ball, they had a plan and took advantage of the second innings with the new ball and the opening cracks. They executed their plans very well. So, the harsh reality of Test cricket is that no matter what the pitch is like, quality sides will find a way, and England did that."

About weak Mentality:

"I will not say that my team is weak mentally. The third inning may seem like a collapse, and everything went wrong. But if we had kept England close to our score, which we thought we did a good job with the bat in the first innings, then the 220 runs we scored today could have made a difference. Anything over 150 on the final day on any kind of pitch requires a proper chase."
 
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As English football fans usually chant during a football match towards a struggling manager:

“Your getting sacked in the morning”
I kind of feel bad for him. Because he knows he's a limited player. He took captaincy of course to solidify his place in the XI.

But it does seem like his time is about to be over.

With all that said. I do genuinely believe he can be a great media spokesperson. Heck after retirement PCB should hire him in that role.
 

We're hurt by the result, hurt as a nation, but the beauty of the game is it always gives you another chance



Yup skip ... another chance to foobar spectacularly ... hattrick of innings defeat loading up perhaps ? Never ever a dull day in Pakistan cricket. I'am sold! :ROFLMAO:
 
Poor guy what can he do. He scores a century and still the team loses by an innings. The bowlers conceded 800 runs. That’s just mind blowing but even that can’t be blamed on Shan. Sure it’s a flat wicket but they sprayed it around and the spinner can’t spin. At the very least Pak need bowlers who can keep it tight. Aamer and Naseem were the only decent bowlers but even then in patches.

The batting has always been woeful.
 
That’s what he should do.

At least he can use this as leverage going forward, that he knew he wasn’t fit for the role unlike Bobsy
This won’t solve the immediate problems. Sure there may be a better captain out there but even recent good Pak captains like misbah had some match winners in the team. It’s about bowlers first and foremost. Let alone 20 wickets at least know how to dry up runs. Then batters. Know how to occupy the crease first then think about runs. These are bread and butter concepts that any test cricketer should know.
 
Poor guy what can he do. He scores a century and still the team loses by an innings. The bowlers conceded 800 runs. That’s just mind blowing but even that can’t be blamed on Shan. Sure it’s a flat wicket but they sprayed it around and the spinner can’t spin. At the very least Pak need bowlers who can keep it tight. Aamer and Naseem were the only decent bowlers but even then in patches.

The batting has always been woeful.
Moreover Aamer and Naseem were coming back from injury. They did well if you consider that. Although I don't think captaincy was good.
 
I am pretty sure this guy will not last after this series.

When your middle order—Babar, Saud, and Rizwan—fails to score any significant runs, you cannot expect your batting lineup to post big scores. The root cause of the batting collapse lies with these three batsmen.

The bowling looks toothless because they are not trained to bowl long spells. Shaheen and Naseem are, at best, 4-10 overs bowlers. They haven't played enough first-class games to improve their skills and temperament.

I'm certain we could have won matches on these same pitches in the past when we had a more sensible bowling attack.
 
Moreover Aamer and Naseem were coming back from injury. They did well if you consider that. Although I don't think captaincy was good.
No captaincy was not good. But there is very little a captain can do if the team is rubbish. Pakistans good recent captains from Misbah to Inzi were not good by international standards just they had a few very good match winners who were able to win games or at least salvage draws. The players make the captain and the captain makes the players.

Eg everybody says Ollie Pope captained well. How can he not look good when Root and Brook scored nearly 600 and wore down unfit players in the heat. After that it’s just a matter of rotating bowlers on a day 5 pitch. Everyone looks good even the catches England dropped don’t matter.

But had babar taken Roots catch then Shana captaincy would have looked good ie all leg side flicks to a fielder especially placed exactly for that shot. Captaincy is cruel.
 
Change captains, coaches, players, management - the ability, fitness and skills are way behind for modern day cricket.

Had this test was played 10 years ago - a draw would have been possible. But look at the modern approach of England. They changed the game around (and was fully helped by Pakistan in it).
 
0-6 Congrats, he's already equaled Hulk Hogan's summer slam record in reverse. Now time to aim for that undertaker record.
 
After this series, he has no business captaining Pakistan.

While I agreed with PCBs decision to appoint him Test captain in the first place, after a 0-6 record including home losses against Eng and BD whitewash, Shan needs to himself admit that his position as captain is now untenable.
 
Shan mate, first of all stop this gooy goody nicey nicey on field team charade, smiling, congratulating, fist bumping oppo.

The chaps just murdered your team with run a ball 300 and you go fist bumping with him when gets out?

That aint sportsmanship that is timidity. Be nasty on the field and nice off it. Congratulate him at the end of the match or the day, not during the play.

The only pride is in winning the match, fair play award aint going to be recorded on your W/L stats or no ones ever going to post a thread on PP "Nicest team to play against".

Smiling and giggling when the opp hits ridiculous shot? What are you "bakra qishton main" audience?

Make England realise they are touring Pakistan, give some attitude and aggression on the field- its your ground FGS (fake it till you make it), not doing an extended net session with Pakistan bowlers back home in Yorkshire.
 
Pakistan captain, Shan Masood speaking during a Pakistan vs England post-match presentation ceremony:

"When you put 556 on the board, it's very important to back that up with 10 wickets and keep the game close. That's something we didn't do.

"If we take those 10 wickets and have England around our score, then the 220 runs we scored on a fifth day becomes challenging for them. That's the key.

"We've got to work things out as a team, how the batting and bowling in the first innings contribute to a lead and hopefully set the match up. That's something we're struggling with.

"As a team, we have to improve with our second innings batting but the most important thing, like I said, is learning how to take 20 wickets. That's the challenge going forward."

"Where I'd like the team to improve is, no matter what the pitch is like, we must find a way out. England showed us the way in this Test, you have to give huge credit to them.

"We're hurt by the result, hurt as a nation, but the beauty of the game is it always gives you another chance. The quick turnaround [to second Test] might be beneficial to us and we're looking forward to it.

"I never try to shy away from responsibility. What hurts is that we're not getting the results that Pakistan cricket deserves. We are all trying hard, we're going to give it our all and try to turn this around."


Speaking during a Post Match Presser:

Pitch:


“There are things that are not in our control, like the pitch behavior, as I said earlier. We played last test match in Multan in 2022, it was a different pitch, prepared differently, and our squad was different, as was England's. Here we expected the pitch to start deteriorating quickly, around the end of day two or the start of day three. That's why we tried to extend our first innings as much as possible. But England taught us a lesson, a harsh reality that you need to find a way. They found a way and took 20 wickets. We can't say that 20 wickets can't be taken on this pitch.”

“The key point is that we need to find a way to succeed as a team. In Test cricket, the formula for winning is taking 20 wickets. We can't win a Test match without dismissing the entire opposing team twice. Our focus should be on taking those 20 wickets and scoring a competitive total in our first innings. These are the things we need to focus on, rather than just trying to save the match or avoid defeat. We need to find a way to win the match, and we'll only do that when we set up our batting and take 20 wickets with our bowling no matter what type of pitch it is."

Disappointment on losing the match:

"I don't think there can be more disappointment than losing a match, especially when you're representing Pakistan, whether as a player or a captain, it hurts a lot. In my six-match tenure as captain, we've repeated the same mistakes in Test matches. We set up the match, but then we let it slip from our grasp. This match was no different. When you score 550 runs and bat for two days, there's a human element that comes into play. The opposing team feels the pressure of the scoreboard, especially in these conditions. So, we need to find a way to capitalize on that and get back into the game.”

“As a team, we can't point fingers at any individual or institution. There are certain principles in red-ball cricket, and one of them is that if you want to win Test matches, you need to find a way to do so. You need to respond consistently to the conditions over the course of five days and find a way to win Test matches.”

About Batting Approach:

"This is not just a simple bat and ball contest. We're representing Pakistan, and we need to take responsibility for our performances. We can't just blame the conditions or the pitch. We need to analyze our game and see where we're going wrong. If we're batting first in a Test match, especially in conditions like these, we need to post a big first innings score. And then, we need to keep the opposing team to a score that's around our total or slightly higher. We can't let them get too far ahead.”

“If we look at the pitch, it's not the same on day one as it is on day four or five. When England got the new ball, they had an opportunity to take the game away from us. The cracks were open, and it was a window of opportunity for them. We need to absorb those periods better and play better cricket. We've had these lapses before.”

”In conditions like these, we need to set up a big total in the first innings and then try to take wickets in a way that allows us to drive the game forward in the third innings. The 220 runs we scored in the second innings, if we had a 50-run lead or even a 50-run deficit, then chasing 170 in the last 2 sessions of the last day would have been a different story.”

About Mistakes:

"We've played three times in Pakistan, and if we look at the pitches, conditions, and situations, we can see that we're not doing enough. If we look at the first innings scores, 450-6 declared, 274, 556; these are good scores considering the pitches. But we need to find a way to combine our batting and bowling efforts in the first innings to stay in the game and then drive it forward.”

“We can identify many things that went wrong, like Harry Brook and Joe Root's partnership, Abdullah Shafique and I scored 100 and 150, and Babar Azam's dismissal, Mohammad Rizwan, our consistent run-getter, couldn't perform, we didn't take wickets when we needed to. When the new ball came, we didn't get a wicket. If we had taken a wicket at that time, the game might have been different.”

“We can identify these mistakes easily, but now our job is to learn from them. We can't just keep repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results."

Abrar Ahmed’s injury:

“Abrar Ahmed's condition is not good, and he's hospitalized. Our prayers are with him, and we hope he recovers soon and gets back to playing cricket.”

About Spinner’s backup:

“We'll reflect on today's mistakes and see what we could have done better. We'll talk to the ground staff and see what conditions they're preparing for the next Test. We weren't in Multan before the first Test, and the Champions Cup was going on, so we didn't have much involvement in preparing the pitches. But we'll discuss it with them and see what conditions they're preparing. We'll try to select the best combination for the second Test, considering the requirements of the pitch and conditions.”

Babar Azam’s form:

“We're trying to build a squad mentality, especially in Test cricket, where we don't play as many matches. We need to give players opportunities and plenty of chances. There's no doubt that Babar Azam is one of Pakistan's best batter. We always have faith that our best batter will come good and is just one innings away. Our thought process is still the same, and we'll reflect on today's performance and see what we can do better. We'll try to put out the best combination for the second Test and fulfill the requirements of the pitch and conditions."

Learnings from this game:

"The harsh reality is that England found a way, and we could not. After two days of being under the sun and then losing 10 wickets to give them a chance to bat, they came back strong. When they returned with the ball, they had a plan and took advantage of the second innings with the new ball and the opening cracks. They executed their plans very well. So, the harsh reality of Test cricket is that no matter what the pitch is like, quality sides will find a way, and England did that."

About weak Mentality:

"I will not say that my team is weak mentally. The third inning may seem like a collapse, and everything went wrong. But if we had kept England close to our score, which we thought we did a good job with the bat in the first innings, then the 220 runs we scored today could have made a difference. Anything over 150 on the final day on any kind of pitch requires a proper chase."
Some more Gem of words from your very own KAPTAAN added here.

Nothing he said is different to what we have not heard before from Shan.
 
Some more Gem of words from your very own KAPTAAN added here.

Nothing he said is different to what we have not heard before from Shan.
Shan is the very definition of a scammer.

Scammers also do this all the time when selling you a crap product. Say the same glamorous words but phrase it in a different direction every single time.

It is no different from me saying something like

I am eating a cheese cake to one person and then telling another person that the cheesecake was delicious implying I ate it.

That's what this fool does 24/7. Says the same over and over.

Chalo hulk hogan record equaled 0-6
 
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Shan must go but no incoming captain can fix current issues. The fact is PCB failed to produce even a single proper batsman, pacer and spinner in last 7-8 years. What we have witnessed in last 6-7 years is a blind glorification of Babar, Shaheen & Rizwan and free ride to players like Shan, Shadab, Iftikhar, Nawaz, Haris Rauf, Imam etc. No captain can change the fortunes when you don't have proper batsman, bowler or fielder
 
Honestly I wish people would stop bashing Shaan. Yes he’s not a good captain or batsman. But he’s not our biggest problem. Our biggest problem as has been said is the inability to take wickets as a collective bowling unit.

He needs to highlight this. There are two kinds of bowlers that are essential for taking wickets on flat pitches (obviously bowling in the channel helps).

The first is an express bowler or at least a very accurate bowler like Bumrah and siraj. The second is a very big turner of the ball to exploit the rough and challenge the stumps.

Shohaib Akthar might have been a once in a generation bowler but a decent spinner is ideal in these conditions. We have neither. England brought two spinners we didn’t even have one decent spinner.
 
Reports coming in that he’s getting sacked at the end of the series

Might as well sack him now?
I dont think Riz would be willing in the middle of the series, and I dont think PCB would be willing to not have a yes man.
 
Shan Masood can go.... himself. If I put down what I really want to say then I will get banned from this forum. No point in wasting time with these losers, pathetic cricket board and pathetic nation. The fans have been sold out.
 
Keep trying keep trying till you continue to fail. What exactly is Shan looking to achieve sometime things are not ready for you
 
worst cuptaan ..leave to to rizwaan
Rizwan kya hi Ukhaad lega … What will any captain do if the bowlers can’t take 20 wickets in a test match? You guys are expecting miracles from your new captain with a very very mediocre bowling attack.
 
Zero fitness zero footwork just look at the 2nd innings dismissals to tired to move there feet. Why did PCB organise a run down odi tournament before a test series? When’s the 4day cricket starting after this series?

Point them to a restaurant for a free meal watch them run.
 
Babar PR group is working over time.

"Last time won a series was under Babar"
"152/0"
i also saw a compilation of cover drives from Babar on my FB. I have blocked at least 25 such pages, but they keep propping up i different names. Most only talk about Babar being the savior and the greatest player from Pak. In highlighting and hyping him they are directly and indirectly pulling down all their past players.
 
I think there is too much bashing of guys like Shan Masood here. Bowlers are utter crap. the blame is fully on them.

There is way too much entropy in Pak society now for any one of work towards a plan.
True. Pakistan scoring rate was not bad. But the bowlers second series in a row against England are getting phainta.
 
Whilst I am not a Shan supporter, it is mind boggling how much hate and blame he is getting. He was one of the top batters for Pakistan in the first test against England.

I also highly doubt if he has too much say in the final XI that was picked.

The people who really need to be booted out are Naqvi, Azhar Mahmood & Gillespie.
 
I think there is too much bashing of guys like Shan Masood here. Bowlers are utter crap. the blame is fully on them.

There is way too much entropy in Pak society now for any one of work towards a plan.
That is completely false. And I already tore this to pieces. Are the bowlers rubbish? 100%, could someone like Dhoni, Pointing, Steve waugh or any great change their fortunes if they were leading? Absolutely not, However

A) Neither of these 3 would turn KK an already winning PSL team into a total flop, Shan literally joined KK because his previous team in psl booted him out.

B) Neither of these 3 would just cry on screen, and have Babar, rizwan captain for them or have sarfraz captain for him like he did in the past. I even made a thread on it and multiple pakistani's who watched the game ball by ball agreed with me.

C) Neither of these 3 have the nepo baby tag or the whole ladla treatment of not warranting a place in the squad.

Look at all past captains.

Sarfaraz became captain due to getting MOM 2x on 2015 wc, and maintaining goof form throughout 2016 before his appointment. 2014-2016 were his peak years and he warranted a spot + past captaincy experience especially his under q9 and psl heroics.

Babar azam for all his faults, warranted a place in the squad at the time he was appointed, yes he's medicore but their is no denying of his spot in the team during 2016-2019 era.

Azhar Ali was a nepo selection by Misbah, but he warranted a place in the team considering the crap openers at the time and the fact he was pak's 2nd best test batter, and when he came as an opener he maintained a 40 avg and 80 sr in his 1 year of batting till 2017 retirement.

Misbah had at the very least established himself as a batter in the team no matter how controversial.

Afridi no matter how medicore has played knocks that no player in the country can dream of atm etc etc.

What were Shan's achievements pre captaincy appointment? He at the time was statistically the worst test opener/top order for pakistan ever. A total flop in odi, the meme was that one day Babar got a call from a higher up to include Shan in odi squad only for Shan to get dismissed for a 0. A flop in 2022 t20 wc where he's riding of medicore innings due to 2 joke openers at the top. Collapsed KK into oblivion, Collapsed his county team into oblivion.

What are his credentials to ever get appointed?
 
Whilst I am not a Shan supporter, it is mind boggling how much hate and blame he is getting. He was one of the top batters for Pakistan in the first test against England.

I also highly doubt if he has too much say in the final XI that was picked.

The people who really need to be booted out are Naqvi, Azhar Mahmood & Gillespie.
He is the only captain to ever get appointed in the history of pak cricket to have virtually no credentials to warrant a place in the team.

- Sarfaraz: 2014 aus test performance, 2015 wc mom's 2x, 2016 sri lanka test performance, Psl finalist and under 19 cap winner.

- Babar: 2016-2019 performance in all formats, scored more centuries then anyone in the unit during this time period including a wc 100.

- Azhar ali: 2nd best test batter at the time after YK

- Misbah: questionable but had been with the team for a while and maintained a gold avg even if I have issues with him.

-Afridi: has played iconic knocks

-YK, Inzi, Yousaf etc etc

All these guys regardless of captaincy skills warranted a place.

What were Shan's credentials or achievements pre appointment? Collapsing KK into oblivion? Picking fights in psl? Worst test opener of the decade?

Secondly Imam ul Haq also has a 150 against England, I hate imam's guts but he has one outlier innings, which was achieved in odi against Archer, wood, plunkett, raseed, moeen Ali etc. That too at a higher sr in English conditons. Yet clearly Imam is booted and no one wants him back for his once in a blue moon gem.

Shan scored 150 on a phatta with rubbish 2nd tier bowlers on the same pitch where naseem Shah got 33 big whoop. Fair enough he batted better then the rest magar he's a poor batter and just like Imam, It took one innings for this fraud to be shown his place in the 2nd innings, where he got out 12 of 21 despite being dropped 2x.
 
Anyone defending this fraud shows their intelligence and lack of IQ. To top it off, he's so crap as a captain that he turned a winning KK under imad wasim into the first team to be booted out of psl and he's so shameless he had sarfi captain for him in the last test and rizzu + Babar captain for him in this test as soon as he got pressured by batters.
 
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Oh wait this was about Babar not Shan*

Shan was appointed by Zaka Ashraf
I still remember your GOAT caption of sarfi talking to zaka ashraf during 2023 wc

Sarfi: Aarei zaka, yei keri team bhej Di hai yaar

Spot on
 
The bowlers conceded 800 runs. That’s just mind blowing but even that can’t be blamed on Shan. Sure it’s a flat wicket but they sprayed it around and the spinner can’t spin. At the very least Pak need bowlers who can keep it tight.

We’re talking about a pitch where Pakistan scored 500+. The bowlers didn’t lose us the game, our first innings score wasn’t enough on that pitch.
 
We’re talking about a pitch where Pakistan scored 500+. The bowlers didn’t lose us the game, our first innings score wasn’t enough on that pitch.
Any team in the world would easily draw on this pitch except pakistan.

It's simple, pakistan does not possess the ability to outbat, play faster or bazzball then any team even though this pitch os the definition of turning a test into a 80-100 over per day t20 game.

And pakistan doesn't have the fitness plain and simple to bat another innings.

An exhausted England casually batted for 20 overs, and even scored a 100, and next day knocked pakistan into next week.

An exhausted pakistan couldn't last 17 overs with all their batters perishing as no one had the ability or stamina to chug it out.

England made the perfect decison to declare. They knew its a phatta but pakistan ain't lasting 17 overs. They knew they'd get most of the team out rather then taking it till day 5 where a fresh pak might have been able to draw.
 
Stopped following Pak cricket eagerly after wc23 and entirely after the wt20 2024. Only saw the headlines of Pak losing 2-0 to Bangladesh. Thankfully didn't follow the matches.
Can safely say that PAKISTAN CRICKET IS DEAD.
 
Shan should only be removed if Babar, Shaheen and Rizwan are removed.

Otherwise what's the point?

Can anyone truthfully watching the game say that captaincy was the issue? The fact is that we crumbled here and against Bangladesh when there was a hint of pressure.

The only guy at least trying to play bravely is Shan.
 
Shan should only be removed if Babar, Shaheen and Rizwan are removed.

Otherwise what's the point?

Can anyone truthfully watching the game say that captaincy was the issue? The fact is that we crumbled here and against Bangladesh when there was a hint of pressure.

The only guy at least trying to play bravely is Shan.
Respectfully disagree but good post overall.
 
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Point is that Shan masood was dealt a crappy hand. Bowling was, is and will be the main issue. If pak bowling can't deal with Bangladesh batters after having 450+ to defend, not sure what a captain can count o.

you missed the key point.

here is way too much entropy in Pak society now for any one of work towards a plan.

Reminds me of India of the mid to late 80's
 
Point is that Shan masood was dealt a crappy hand. Bowling was, is and will be the main issue. If pak bowling can't deal with Bangladesh batters after having 450+ to defend, not sure what a captain can count o.

you missed the key point.

here is way too much entropy in Pak society now for any one of work towards a plan.

Reminds me of India of the mid to late 80's


Uganda captain Brain masabada has legitimately been able to topple Zimbabwe and has been able to topple teams that are far superior.

I saw Uganda play in t20 and they were understandably rubbish however you could clearly tell the captain had an amazing cricket mind but obviously can't beat nz or Afg due to lack of resources.

Pakistan and Bangladesh are not too far off unlike England which is miles superior

Pakistan had Bangladesh on the ropes in the 2nd test and even in the first Test. This rubbish captain with his rubbish declarations followed by his rubbish field settings that allowed das to casually rotate strikes as if the fielders didn't even exist in the inner ring deserves such hate.

Sorry but I am fully aware of his rubbish captaincy and have been watching it closely.

No captain just gives up mid way and decides to hand over fielding reigns to sarfaraz who wasn't even in the playing 11.

This became a twitter wildfire meme but I'm suprised not a single individual spread the meme over here.
 
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Pakistan captain, Shan Masood speaking during a Pakistan vs England post-match presentation ceremony:

"When you put 556 on the board, it's very important to back that up with 10 wickets and keep the game close. That's something we didn't do.

"If we take those 10 wickets and have England around our score, then the 220 runs we scored on a fifth day becomes challenging for them. That's the key.

"We've got to work things out as a team, how the batting and bowling in the first innings contribute to a lead and hopefully set the match up. That's something we're struggling with.

"As a team, we have to improve with our second innings batting but the most important thing, like I said, is learning how to take 20 wickets. That's the challenge going forward."

"Where I'd like the team to improve is, no matter what the pitch is like, we must find a way out. England showed us the way in this Test, you have to give huge credit to them.

"We're hurt by the result, hurt as a nation, but the beauty of the game is it always gives you another chance. The quick turnaround [to second Test] might be beneficial to us and we're looking forward to it.

"I never try to shy away from responsibility. What hurts is that we're not getting the results that Pakistan cricket deserves. We are all trying hard, we're going to give it our all and try to turn this around."


Speaking during a Post Match Presser:

Pitch:


“There are things that are not in our control, like the pitch behavior, as I said earlier. We played last test match in Multan in 2022, it was a different pitch, prepared differently, and our squad was different, as was England's. Here we expected the pitch to start deteriorating quickly, around the end of day two or the start of day three. That's why we tried to extend our first innings as much as possible. But England taught us a lesson, a harsh reality that you need to find a way. They found a way and took 20 wickets. We can't say that 20 wickets can't be taken on this pitch.”

“The key point is that we need to find a way to succeed as a team. In Test cricket, the formula for winning is taking 20 wickets. We can't win a Test match without dismissing the entire opposing team twice. Our focus should be on taking those 20 wickets and scoring a competitive total in our first innings. These are the things we need to focus on, rather than just trying to save the match or avoid defeat. We need to find a way to win the match, and we'll only do that when we set up our batting and take 20 wickets with our bowling no matter what type of pitch it is."

Disappointment on losing the match:

"I don't think there can be more disappointment than losing a match, especially when you're representing Pakistan, whether as a player or a captain, it hurts a lot. In my six-match tenure as captain, we've repeated the same mistakes in Test matches. We set up the match, but then we let it slip from our grasp. This match was no different. When you score 550 runs and bat for two days, there's a human element that comes into play. The opposing team feels the pressure of the scoreboard, especially in these conditions. So, we need to find a way to capitalize on that and get back into the game.”

“As a team, we can't point fingers at any individual or institution. There are certain principles in red-ball cricket, and one of them is that if you want to win Test matches, you need to find a way to do so. You need to respond consistently to the conditions over the course of five days and find a way to win Test matches.”

About Batting Approach:

"This is not just a simple bat and ball contest. We're representing Pakistan, and we need to take responsibility for our performances. We can't just blame the conditions or the pitch. We need to analyze our game and see where we're going wrong. If we're batting first in a Test match, especially in conditions like these, we need to post a big first innings score. And then, we need to keep the opposing team to a score that's around our total or slightly higher. We can't let them get too far ahead.”

“If we look at the pitch, it's not the same on day one as it is on day four or five. When England got the new ball, they had an opportunity to take the game away from us. The cracks were open, and it was a window of opportunity for them. We need to absorb those periods better and play better cricket. We've had these lapses before.”

”In conditions like these, we need to set up a big total in the first innings and then try to take wickets in a way that allows us to drive the game forward in the third innings. The 220 runs we scored in the second innings, if we had a 50-run lead or even a 50-run deficit, then chasing 170 in the last 2 sessions of the last day would have been a different story.”

About Mistakes:

"We've played three times in Pakistan, and if we look at the pitches, conditions, and situations, we can see that we're not doing enough. If we look at the first innings scores, 450-6 declared, 274, 556; these are good scores considering the pitches. But we need to find a way to combine our batting and bowling efforts in the first innings to stay in the game and then drive it forward.”

“We can identify many things that went wrong, like Harry Brook and Joe Root's partnership, Abdullah Shafique and I scored 100 and 150, and Babar Azam's dismissal, Mohammad Rizwan, our consistent run-getter, couldn't perform, we didn't take wickets when we needed to. When the new ball came, we didn't get a wicket. If we had taken a wicket at that time, the game might have been different.”

“We can identify these mistakes easily, but now our job is to learn from them. We can't just keep repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results."

Abrar Ahmed’s injury:

“Abrar Ahmed's condition is not good, and he's hospitalized. Our prayers are with him, and we hope he recovers soon and gets back to playing cricket.”

About Spinner’s backup:

“We'll reflect on today's mistakes and see what we could have done better. We'll talk to the ground staff and see what conditions they're preparing for the next Test. We weren't in Multan before the first Test, and the Champions Cup was going on, so we didn't have much involvement in preparing the pitches. But we'll discuss it with them and see what conditions they're preparing. We'll try to select the best combination for the second Test, considering the requirements of the pitch and conditions.”

Babar Azam’s form:

“We're trying to build a squad mentality, especially in Test cricket, where we don't play as many matches. We need to give players opportunities and plenty of chances. There's no doubt that Babar Azam is one of Pakistan's best batter. We always have faith that our best batter will come good and is just one innings away. Our thought process is still the same, and we'll reflect on today's performance and see what we can do better. We'll try to put out the best combination for the second Test and fulfill the requirements of the pitch and conditions."

Learnings from this game:

"The harsh reality is that England found a way, and we could not. After two days of being under the sun and then losing 10 wickets to give them a chance to bat, they came back strong. When they returned with the ball, they had a plan and took advantage of the second innings with the new ball and the opening cracks. They executed their plans very well. So, the harsh reality of Test cricket is that no matter what the pitch is like, quality sides will find a way, and England did that."

About weak Mentality:

"I will not say that my team is weak mentally. The third inning may seem like a collapse, and everything went wrong. But if we had kept England close to our score, which we thought we did a good job with the bat in the first innings, then the 220 runs we scored today could have made a difference. Anything over 150 on the final day on any kind of pitch requires a proper chase."
He actually means the Beauty of the game is, He always gets another chance.
 
Last two games coming for him and then it’s goodbye forever for Shani boy
Are you sure? Shan's Career should have been over years ago, yet here we are. If you have not noticed that he mentions his 151 runs. And makes several hints about it. Shan last time scored a century 4 years ago. And he probably expects another 4 years now.

Shan has written himself in records books, for being the first Pakistani captain to loose 6 consecutive test matches. The next 2 tests are against the same England side with 2 away tests in South Africa. That record will only grow, but I think Zaka Ashraf should also get some credit for having the vision of Launching this Immortal Captaincy of Shan.
 
Honestly I wish people would stop bashing Shaan. Yes he’s not a good captain or batsman. But he’s not our biggest problem. Our biggest problem as has been said is the inability to take wickets as a collective bowling unit.

He needs to highlight this. There are two kinds of bowlers that are essential for taking wickets on flat pitches (obviously bowling in the channel helps).

The first is an express bowler or at least a very accurate bowler like Bumrah and siraj. The second is a very big turner of the ball to exploit the rough and challenge the stumps.

Shohaib Akthar might have been a once in a generation bowler but a decent spinner is ideal in these conditions. We have neither. England brought two spinners we didn’t even have one decent spinner.
The most alarming stat is that Abrar is like the third PAK player in the last few matches (don't completely remember the stat) that has failed to play the entire match. Obviously wish him a speedy recovery and hope he feels better. But I think this is a microcosm of something bigger, which is that our players simply don't have the fitness to survive a test match.

Shan and Abdullah's dismissals were both dismissals of players who were tired and exhausted after batting all day. Meanwhile Joe Root was on the field for all of 7 overs of this match, in what were extremely foreign conditions for him...and he was running singles and doubles till the end of his innings. Ditto for Harry Brook who scored a triple century at a SR of 98 in an innings that featured plenty of running between the wickets.
 
Sounds like problems are much bigger than Shan Masood.

I'll repeat, Pak team's dysfunction is refection of the state of the country.
Problems are always bigger then a certain individual. That has been the case in each and every era. Even sachin's horrible captaincy era may have been completly different if bumrah and the current crop existed at that point in time.

That doesn't mean you shy away from masood and pretend that he's a hero. No true pakistani fan is being hard on him.

People need to stop acting like he's a Disney princess who captained his heart out and did his part and the team let him down. That is not what happened.
 
Problems are always bigger then a certain individual. That has been the case in each and every era. Even sachin's horrible captaincy era may have been completly different if bumrah and the current crop existed at that point in time.
the presence of those cared and did the right things up and down the chain is what led to bumrah.

Is there anyone in Pak cricket ecosystem or for that matter pak societal ecosytem who will do the right thing?

If answer to either one of those is no,....
 
Shan should only be removed if Babar, Shaheen and Rizwan are removed.

Otherwise what's the point?

Can anyone truthfully watching the game say that captaincy was the issue? The fact is that we crumbled here and against Bangladesh when there was a hint of pressure.

The only guy at least trying to play bravely is Shan.
Spot on.

Babar & Co do not want to play under Shan, so tomorrow the captain will change but Babar and his matey boys will not, so as you say, the only way forwards is to get rid of Babar & Co.
 
Lol it's just like saying bring back Ashok Dinda for India
Naseem Shah is very good bowler. PCT should manage his workload to make him effective. Shaheen Afridi is out of form. And there are not good spinners too. With this, it is no surprise they are losing Test matches at home.

In the subcontinent, a team like England can be defeated with good spin. Pakistan needs at least two of a leggie, an offspinner, and a left arm spinner to run through top sides and also to manage workload of the pacers.

On the batting front, Saud Shakeel is class. PCB needs to develop the rest of the batters along with Babar. It is a long road ahead for them. But that is why you put all the support system in place.
 
I didn't take any path. You started it with the homeland nonsense joke lol.
you have toutng your aus nationality non stop while on a Pak forum while providing cover for the BD bigot
Goverments are unfairly strict on countries anyway. Usa is a nightmare. Only a few countries like Canada and some others are easy.
How about you try that again, in english
But it's a nessasry evil, you can't have people just come in and take over the market and cause collapses in the economy. Sydney is already struggling with the fact that their virtually half China now hence Chinese students are being banned and restricted. Can't have sydney become China town and ruin a 200 year old establ9shed culture.
imagine what India must be dealing with the rohignya and other illiterate illegals on top the issues it has internally.
Regardless I dislike Shan masood, and I made my point. If you feel the hero comment was rude, then I apologise as I didn't intend to attack or come off in that way. It's just the way I text.
Have no connection to Shan Masood and have allegiance to pak team. In fact enjoy their current fate.

However, not a big fan on duming on aone individual for problems that have been systemic for a decade or more, while there are bigger culprits within the playing 11
But I will not apologise for attacking you further once the homeland comment was made.
Wasn't asking for one. The homeland comment is par for the course from Pak posters
If you've been following me on some threads, I attack Indian posters and start this Travis head nonsense only when they start trolling, keeping score and turn every single pakiatan vs thread into an outright blood bath.
are new to this board? have you seen the threads some of the mods create?

So yeah India and Indians are dumping there gandhigiri and settling scores.
Some people just want to enjoy the game peacefully and discuss. Not everyone wants to see an Imam or steve smith emoji being spammed 24/7. It's just I've been the most vocal about it. But lots of posters like rana, Dr bassim, Sultan aka people who don't like pak cricket are also getting g frustrated with the influx of waves.
Dr.Bassim, yes. not sure about the other tow.
Only difference is I'm more aggressive and bite back.
as long you are willing to take what you dish out.
 
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