Were Naseem Shah's speeds actually down?

[Saj]

Naseem Shah got plenty of stick for not bowling at the speeds we have seen him bowl previously.

Well I asked him if he is carrying an injury or were there some other issues.

According to Naseem his speeds were up there, but were being recorded incorrectly by the NZ speed guns, as Jofra Archer has previously stated.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Despite all this, Naseem did not even look that quick in the high 140's either, especially even in the way the ball was going into the keepers gloves.

 

[Savak]

What about the England tour? He was operating like a line and length pacer there as well

 

[kingusama92]

Archer was only down 1-2 MPH compared to his regular average speeds. That type of variation is possible with inaccurate speed guns.

Naseem was down by 6-7 MPH at one point.

There's no doubt Naseem came in bowling a lot slower than normal regardless of the speed gun. I have a feeling it has to do with adjustments to his bowling technique and runup for injury prevention plus the extended break between Tests.

 

[hur rizvi]

What about the England tour? He was operating like a line and length pacer there as well

He was still around 140 kph in England series

 

[Thunderbolt14]

To the naked eye, Naseem definitely looked slower. Seemed to be carrying an injury. Also, Shaheen clocked 145 twice. So not sure that the speedguns are at fault.

 

[Usman]

Naseem Shah got plenty of stick for not bowling at the speeds we have seen him bowl previously.

Well I asked him if he is carrying an injury or were there some other issues.

According to Naseem his speeds were up there, but were being recorded incorrectly by the NZ speed guns, as Jofra Archer has previously stated.

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Even if the speed guns were off by 1-2mph, Naseem's speed was significantly slower than that.

Instead of clocking 145KPH, which is 90MPH, with a faulty speed gun he still should have been clocking 141-142KPH. Instead, he was clocking 133KPH. So if he's telling me the speed guns are 8mph off, I think I'd tell him he needs to find a better excuse.

 

[Omer2002]

Well lets face i was watching kiwis bowlers regularly they were only clicking 130 odd as well

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Also, Jofra Archer is a known excuse-maker, this is the guy who said he “forgot” it wasn’t okay for him to visit home breaking the England biosecure bubble.

He then was visibly low on speeds in England too, which is why he was criticized because he’d said the speedguns were to blame in New Zealand. Then he came up with a new line, which was that no fast bowler can maintain speeds like that the whole day.

Naseem then showed him up the entire day. I wouldn’t take Jofra’s words seriously. There’s a clear modification to Naseem’s action and he’s no longer steaming into the crease either.

 

[Rana]

Naseem on Average was still the quickest bowler in this match. If anyone has proof to suggest otherwise, please go ahead and present it.

 

[Down2Earth]

How come Abbas' speed was accurate? Naseem looked well down.

 

[moghul]

Lets no blame the speed gun, it was obvious, no carry , no zip. Quite possible speed gun in Australia where he was bowling at 145-146 was too rapid.

 

[Slog]

He was still around 140 kph in England series

He was in the first test

 

[Slog]

Well good thing that Abbas seemed to have gained on pace in that case.

And Shaheen was still hitting 140+ so he is Shoaib Akhtar level bowler in terms of speed now

 

[Rana]

Well good thing that Abbas seemed to have gained on pace in that case.

And Shaheen was still hitting 140+ so he is Shoaib Akhtar level bowler in terms of speed now

Shaheen was 130 in the second innings throughout

 

[Slog]

Shaheen was 130 in the second innings throughout

First innings first spell he was regularly in 140s

 

[Rana]

First innings first spell he was regularly in 140s

Naseem’s first spell in the 2nd innings on average was 139kmh, and he bowled some 140k deliveries

His second spell was definitely faster than Niel Wagner with all delivery around chest height. Average speed 135kmh

Wagner’s average speed in the entire match was approximately 127-130 kmh.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

Naseem was bowling as quick as Chahar regardless of what speed gun shows.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Compare how Naseem was bowling in the New Zealand match to his pace and zip in this video:

Or this one:

Something is clearly wrong with how the management has remodeled his action.

 

[hur rizvi]

Naseem’s first spell in the 2nd innings on average was 139kmh, and he bowled some 140k deliveries

His second spell was definitely faster than Niel Wagner with all delivery around chest height. Average speed 135kmh

Wagner’s average speed in the entire match was approximately 127-130 kmh.

Neil wagner is around 127-133 kph these days and he was playing with a broken toe so I guess comparing his speeds to Wagners is pointless

Nasim's worth in the team is as a 145 kph bowler and even speed guns were bit slower he was still down by 5-7 kph on average

 

[hur rizvi]

Compare how Naseem was bowling in the New Zealand match to his pace and zip in this video:

Or this one:

Something is clearly wrong with how the management has remodeled his action.

He was definitely slower in this match. No batsman seemed worried by his pace on a pretty bouncy surface

Probably his run up is messed up

 

[moghul]

Shaheen was 130 in the second innings throughout

high 130s, 137-139 and in first innings > 140 kmh

 

[Kingpin786]

What about the England tour? He was operating like a line and length pacer there as well

In England he mantained his pace his fastest was 147.1 kph and hos average speed was around 87to88mph

 

[Kingpin786]

high 130s, 137-139 and in first innings > 140 kmh

His fastest in first innings was 143 kph and mostly bowled from 135 to 140kph

 

[Kingpin786]

Lets no blame the speed gun, it was obvious, no carry , no zip. Quite possible speed gun in Australia where he was bowling at 145-146 was too rapid.

I think you have not seen him bowling in England and Pakistan ,he was bowling 87to88mph average speed in those matches

 

[Kingpin786]

Naseem Shah got plenty of stick for not bowling at the speeds we have seen him bowl previously.

Well I asked him if he is carrying an injury or were there some other issues.

According to Naseem his speeds were up there, but were being recorded incorrectly by the NZ speed guns, as Jofra Archer has previously stated.

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But Rauf bowled 150kph in New Zealand plus in first innings Shaheen was quicker than Naseem

 

[Space Cat]

Its also a pretty slow pitch. Lets see on a quick deck at Hagley.

To be fair its pretty well known here that the speed guns in Aussie always show our bowlers 5km quicker when we tour there than at home.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Its also a pretty slow pitch. Lets see on a quick deck at Hagley.

To be fair its pretty well known here that the speed guns in Aussie always show our bowlers 5km quicker when we tour there than at home.

Then why has Naseem clocked high speeds in England and PSL too? I suppose this means Jofra Archer is also a 140kph bowler then and overrated by the speedguns?

 

[Space Cat]

Then why has Naseem clocked high speeds in England and PSL too? I suppose this means Jofra Archer is also a 140kph bowler then and overrated by the speedguns?

No idea perhaps the technology is different i really cant say. He didnt look very quick in the test just gone going purely of eyes.

 

[Space Cat]

The speed readings in the limited overs games were as per usual. Might be a bay oval thing.

 

[Shafi]

If PCB wants to save money why bother appointed Waqar? He doesn’t know anything about coaching.

 

[ataullah]

Was down in 1st inning but normal self in 2nd inning

 

[hur rizvi]

Naseem shouldn't be making excuses he was clearly down on speed

He bowled with pace in England and at times he made batsmen worry with his pace whereas in this match he visibly looked very slow

 

[Mamoon]

He is rubbish regardless of the speed at which he bowls.

 

[Saj]

How come Abbas' speed was accurate? Naseem looked well down.

Well his seemed down too didn't it.

 

[hur rizvi]

Well his seemed down too didn't it.

Nope. Pretty much what he has been bowling at in last year or so

 

[moghul]

Its nothing to do with speed gun, Naseem doesn;t look very athletic either compared to last year; Its hard to put on weight at his age but he is a bit heavier too compered to last year. Does not look someone keen on fitness and practice. Looks like no coach is giving him any good advice.

In last test he looked no better than a club level bowler.

 

[moghul]

If PCB wants to save money why bother appointed Waqar? He doesn’t know anything about coaching.

Not every good actor can be a good director , Waqar was an ATG bowler, no doubt about that but has been a failure as bowling coach.

 

[JibranAnsari]

wagners speed was down too even when his toe was ok.

 

[Saj]

Nope. Pretty much what he has been bowling at in last year or so

No, Abbas was being recorded as even lower than what he has been bowling at recently.

 

[ataullah]

i think his speed will pick up in the next test

I feel the same but i hope they don't drop him. He's just bk after injury and both speed and rhythm got better as the test match progressed

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

wagners speed was down too even when his toe was ok.

How was his second toe broken?

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Well his seemed down too didn't it.

Tell Nasim that he definitely wasn't bowling quick. If he believes so, it isn't a good sign because players who are not tough on themselves and dont self-reflect dont have great careers.

 

[ataullah]

Its nothing to do with speed gun, Naseem doesn;t look very athletic either compared to last year; Its hard to put on weight at his age but he is a bit heavier too compered to last year. Does not look someone keen on fitness and practice. Looks like no coach is giving him any good advice.

In last test he looked no better than a club level bowler.

I agree he looks over weight and doesn't run in smoothly like when he burst on to the scene. I hope he's back to his best next test. Definitely improved second inning. Maybe he's back after a long lay off thats why he was lower on pace

 

[HasanA]

He needs to go back to bowling with the long runup he had during australian tour and running in fast. right now he is running in like a lazy Abdul Razzaq. Remember when Razzaq used to bowl at 140K and then reduced his runup and his speed at approach and became a trundler? thats happening to Naseem. He needs to go back to basics.

Realistically, Pakistan will drop him if he keeps bowling at 133K and focusing on line and length when at his height his PRIMARY asset is running in fast, bowl quick and short. You lose all that if you shorten your runup and approach to crease.

He will either be dropped after 1 more tour and never be selected again by bowling 133K OR he will be injured in 5 years and retire. If I were him, I would go with the 5 year route.

 

[moghul]

He needs to go back to bowling with the long runup he had during australian tour and running in fast. right now he is running in like a lazy Abdul Razzaq. Remember when Razzaq used to bowl at 140K and then reduced his runup and his speed at approach and became a trundler? thats happening to Naseem. He needs to go back to basics.

Realistically, Pakistan will drop him if he keeps bowling at 133K and focusing on line and length when at his height his PRIMARY asset is running in fast, bowl quick and short. You lose all that if you shorten your runup and approach to crease.

He will either be dropped after 1 more tour and never be selected again by bowling 133K OR he will be injured in 5 years and retire. If I were him, I would go with the 5 year route.

Razzaq started bowling like an old man at age 25 ( on papers ), Naseem doing the same at age--------17 ??

 

[HasanA]

Razzaq started bowling like an old man at age 25 ( on papers ), Naseem doing the same at age--------17 ??

Naseem needs to choose. Does he want to go down the Razzaq (as a bowler) route or Shane Bond Route

 

[shamaan]

I feel the same but i hope they don't drop him. He's just bk after injury and both speed and rhythm got better as the test match progressed

I dont think they will drop him from the squad but he may have to sit on the bench against south africa which is fine by me