Were we wrong about Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma?

[mominsaigol]

These 2 were frequently mocked throughout the tournament but they came through for india when it mattered most.

Great credit goes to bumrah as the MVP as well. However rohit and kohli made the game in the semi's, finals and played a hand at eliminating australia the only team who wouldn't have lost a final.

 

[Major]

what were you ever right about?

 

[Dhakar Pola]

If kohli did not hang around one end India would not have scored 176. Indians need to respect their legend. What a player

 

[mominsaigol]

what were you ever right about?

Idk major you tell me, Enlighten me.

 

[oatmeal]

Kohli is basically not a T20 player but he has the great fundamentals so he can dominate any attack when he is in good nick. Rohit is a great hitter but again with age, the hand eye coordination starts to go down so there are more misses than hits. But the gameplan was never for Rohit or Kohli to hang around for too long . The gameplan was to score as much off the PP as possible. But SA spoiled that by getting Pant and Sky out cheaply and Kohli had to play the kind of cricket he is most comfortable with

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Nope. Doesn't change the fact that both are past their prime in this format and should be making way for younger players.

Kohli has already retired because he knows it. Rohit might have 2026 in mind.

 

[pakistani pride]

LOL Rohit almost always delivers when it matters. Plus he seems like a good leader.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

the former Australia cricketer Michael Hussey wasn’t bothered with Rohit and Kohli’s form and expects them to find their batting rhythm soon, he said:

“We've seen it so many times to ride off champion players..pundits come out and say that Rohit Sharma is finished and Virat Kohli is no good anymore. I mean, that's just ridiculous. They're legends, legendary players. They're proud players. If you write them off, you're just going to end up having egg on your face, because they will perform well again. They're too good not to. I think it's silly to write them off and write off the Indian team as well. It's just not in my vocabulary,”

 

[jnaveen1980]

Kohli coudln't win many much when he was at his absolute peak. But he is winning when he is on his last legs.

 

[jnaveen1980]

If kohli did not hang around one end India would not have scored 176. Indians need to respect their legend. What a player

That is nonsense lol Axar and Dube played bigger role in that. Kohli used the same logic in 2023 world cup. Look what we got in return. He told KL Rahul that "pitch is sluggish" and asked him to take time forgetting the fact under lights it will become a batting beauty. India needed an above par score. With that approach INida put up a below par score.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Sanjay Manjrekar thinks Virat Kohli is a great Test batter going through a bad patch, while Rohit Sharma 'looks down in the doldrums':

“I must say there is no comparison between Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli as Test batters, Virat Kohli is right up there. He’s a great Test batter and Rohit Sharma is a good Test batter. Rohit’s white-ball batting was great. So Virat Kohli obviously deserves a longer rope."

“It’s not really up to Rohit Sharma. If you look at how the protocol and the hierarchy of team selection, the chairman of selectors, has the decision to make. He has the power to do what’s best for Indian cricket, so it’s not so much about Rohit Sharma himself, you know, deciding what should be the future. The chairman of the selector has that power. That’s with Rohit and he does look down in the doldrums. Virat Kohli is a different issue altogether,"

“It’s not so much about Virat Kohli. I want to know what the batting coach of India is doing. We can’t solve the obvious problem of such a fine player," he said “… Enough has been said about Virat. He’s a fine player going through a tough phase. We need to leave him alone and let him work through his issues. This isn’t just about Kohli’s form; it’s also a question of how the team management and batting coach are addressing these problems,"

 

[Hitman]

Sanjay Manjrekar thinks Virat Kohli is a great Test batter going through a bad patch, while Rohit Sharma 'looks down in the doldrums':

“I must say there is no comparison between Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli as Test batters, Virat Kohli is right up there. He’s a great Test batter and Rohit Sharma is a good Test batter. Rohit’s white-ball batting was great. So Virat Kohli obviously deserves a longer rope."

“It’s not really up to Rohit Sharma. If you look at how the protocol and the hierarchy of team selection, the chairman of selectors, has the decision to make. He has the power to do what’s best for Indian cricket, so it’s not so much about Rohit Sharma himself, you know, deciding what should be the future. The chairman of the selector has that power. That’s with Rohit and he does look down in the doldrums. Virat Kohli is a different issue altogether,"

“It’s not so much about Virat Kohli. I want to know what the batting coach of India is doing. We can’t solve the obvious problem of such a fine player," he said “… Enough has been said about Virat. He’s a fine player going through a tough phase. We need to leave him alone and let him work through his issues. This isn’t just about Kohli’s form; it’s also a question of how the team management and batting coach are addressing these problems,"

Can this abominable ex cricketer name us one current or former cricketer from any team who had a bad patch for 5 long years without getting the boot from the selectors?

 

[Hitman]

“I must say there is no comparison between Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli as Test batters, Virat Kohli is right up there. He’s a great Test batter and Rohit Sharma is a good Test batter. Rohit’s white-ball batting was great. So Virat Kohli obviously deserves a longer rope."

Is this how much batting standards have fallen for India? A good Test batsman is being hailed as a great one, while a barely decent Test batsman being hailed as a good one

 

[ElRaja]

kohli averages 31 over his previous 38 tests, anyone else would have been dropped long ago. his PR is excellent tho, has managed to keep him in the big 4 convo even though his batting average is closer to tom latham than steve smith.

 

[sweep_shot]

Both Rohit and Kohli were primarily ODI specialists. They were never that great in Test format.

 

[MP2011]

Can this abominable ex cricketer name us one current or former cricketer from any team who had a bad patch for 5 long years without getting the boot from the selectors?

You were his die-hard fan not so long ago!

 

[Hitman]

You were his die-hard fan not so long ago!

Things change with time. I was one of the biggest Kohli fans till 2019. Not anymore. I care for my team more than any individual these days. There's a fine line between a legend and a has been, he has crossed it.

 

[kron]

Both Rohit and Kohli were primarily ODI specialists. They were never that great in Test format.

Correct.

 

[Ted123]

Both are white ball greats.

Kohli is a country great in Tests.

Rohit is an average test cricketer in Tests unfortunately with just 1 hundred in SENA.

 

[gazza619]

Think it is fair to say now that we were right.

 

[BCCI-Enforcer]

They are all time great cricketers who deserve support of fans in tough times.

 

[Hitman]

They are all time great cricketers who deserve support of fans in tough times.

A player gets support during a lean patch when he is 30, like Babar is getting. Not when he is 36-37. Rohit will be 38 this April.

 

[BCCI-Enforcer]

A player gets support during a lean patch when he is 30, like Babar is getting. Not when he is 36-37. Rohit will be 38 this April.

Anyone wearing India jersey deserves the support of fans. They are trying their utmost to deliver glory for the nation.

 

[Bhaijaan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1898796675327737898

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Indians gave these two unnecessary abuses recently. They have stepped up time and time again. Abusing and cussing is second nature for most Indians but to abuse those who give their utmost for their country from behind a keyboard just takes the biscuit.

Hopefully Kohli enjoys his time away from the limelight in the UK after he retires. Rohit Bhai has had a great career but he doesn't stand out too much so will blend in anonymously in Indian crowds when he retires.

They have earned the praises of the opposition many times and hopefully finally their countrymen give them some applause too.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Indians gave these two unnecessary abuses recently. They have stepped up time and time again. Abusing and cussing is second nature for most Indians but to abuse those who give their utmost for their country from behind a keyboard just takes the biscuit.

Hopefully Kohli enjoys his time away from the limelight in the UK after he retires. Rohit Bhai has had a great career but he doesn't stand out too much so will blend in anonymously in Indian crowds when he retires.

They have earned the praises of the opposition many times and hopefully finally their countrymen give them some applause too.

It’s just fake show off.
Some Bharat fans think that we have B and C teams waiting that can win championships just like that when the reality is that after all these years we still look at Rohit or Virat to finish things off for us.

Our so called future of batting don’t finish any games or hit any big knocks when it matters

It’s embarrassing that Rohit and Virat are winning world tournament finals MOTM awards during the supposed peak of Shubhman Gill.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

It took 2 knocks from Virat and one from Rohit for India to win this CT.

Yet someone out of the team was better than them.

 

[Mockingbird]

Indians gave these two unnecessary abuses recently. They have stepped up time and time again. Abusing and cussing is second nature for most Indians but to abuse those who give their utmost for their country from behind a keyboard just takes the biscuit.

Hopefully Kohli enjoys his time away from the limelight in the UK after he retires. Rohit Bhai has had a great career but he doesn't stand out too much so will blend in anonymously in Indian crowds when he retires.

They have earned the praises of the opposition many times and hopefully finally their countrymen give them some applause too.

I agree, these guys have been our biggest cricketers for a reason- and don’t deserve the abuse they get. Yes, they maybe seniors in the team, but it’s not like they are not performing in big matches, they are not a drag on the team.

One thing though is Rohit Sharma’s fitness - this is not the culture that Kohli had hard fought to put it in the team. Him as the captain should be putting in the extra yards to maintain fitness, but that’s not the case.

 

[pratiktc]

Abusing and cussing is second nature for most Indians but to abuse those who give their utmost for their country from behind a keyboard just takes the biscuit.

It has unfortunately become a fashion on online forums to belittle great cricketers. One can criticize quality of their game but without any provocation to attack their character and mock them sarcastically is a shameful low. People who resort to this do not represent real cricket fans.

 

[kron]

It’s just fake show off.
Some Bharat fans think that we have B and C teams waiting that can win championships just like that when the reality is that after all these years we still look at Rohit or Virat to finish things off for us.

Our so called future of batting don’t finish any games or hit any big knocks when it matters

It’s embarrassing that Rohit and Virat are winning world tournament finals MOTM awards during the supposed peak of Shubhman Gill.

lol after average 29 in knock outs of odi world cups, kohli can’t really talk

Anyone could have scored his 29 or his zero yesterday

No remorse whatsoever

He is a useless test player that is blocking players

Great odi player but he did fail there too when it mattered. We do have plenty of replacements ready. That person isn’t gill though. Who mentioned gill? Gill is trash. He needs to be dropped

White ball doesn’t create legends. Tests does

Rohit is just a white ball legend.

Any young talent like jaiswal pant Nitish all can score after messing up in like 8 knock out games too. Back then hard enough and they will actually help you win titles. More titles

Again I repeat. Plenty of talent in India to replace these stalwarts.

 

[kron]

It took 2 knocks from Virat and one from Rohit for India to win this CT.

Yet someone out of the team was better than them.

Not someone was. Someone is. And there are several

He averages 29 in knock outs of odi world cups

Please stop

Rohit plays at the easiest time possible. Opening that is. Jaiswal is twice the player Rohit ever will be. He would brutalise teams in power play.

 

[mikeypbadana86]

lol after average 29 in knock outs of odi world cups, kohli can’t really talk

Anyone could have scored his 29 or his zero yesterday

No remorse whatsoever

He is a useless test player that is blocking players

Great odi player but he did fail there too when it mattered. We do have plenty of replacements ready. That person isn’t gill though. Who mentioned gill? Gill is trash. He needs to be dropped

White ball doesn’t create legends. Tests does

Rohit is just a white ball legend.

Any young talent like jaiswal pant Nitish all can score after messing up in like 8 knock out games too. Back then hard enough and they will actually help you win titles. More titles

Again I repeat. Plenty of talent in India to replace these stalwarts.

8 knock out games too. You mean the following ?

 

[kron]

8 knock out games too. You mean the following ?
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Uh?

I meant odi World Cup specifically homeboy

Averages 29 lmaoo

29

Goat

This guy is goat? Hahaha

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

lol after average 29 in knock outs of odi world cups, kohli can’t really talk

Anyone could have scored his 29 or his zero yesterday

No remorse whatsoever

He is a useless test player that is blocking players

Great odi player but he did fail there too when it mattered. We do have plenty of replacements ready. That person isn’t gill though. Who mentioned gill? Gill is trash. He needs to be dropped

White ball doesn’t create legends. Tests does

Rohit is just a white ball legend.

Any young talent like jaiswal pant Nitish all can score after messing up in like 8 knock out games too. Back then hard enough and they will actually help you win titles. More titles

Again I repeat. Plenty of talent in India to replace these stalwarts.

We were not winning against Pakistan or Australia without him.
Trust him, I bash Kohli more often than not. But he has delivered in this tournament very well for us. Its a different matter that we want him to score big daddy hundreds every time he walks in to bat. He should have had nearly 120 centuries by now, but he is stuck in 80s. He is under delivered against what he had hoped and we will remain disappointed in him.
But this CT win has been his contribution.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Uh?

I meant odi World Cup specifically homeboy

Averages 29 lmaoo

29

Goat

This guy is goat? Hahaha

Aur koi extra filter lagaana hai lagaa lo

 

[RexRex]

Indians gave these two unnecessary abuses recently. They have stepped up time and time again. Abusing and cussing is second nature for most Indians but to abuse those who give their utmost for their country from behind a keyboard just takes the biscuit.

Hopefully Kohli enjoys his time away from the limelight in the UK after he retires. Rohit Bhai has had a great career but he doesn't stand out too much so will blend in anonymously in Indian crowds when he retires.

They have earned the praises of the opposition many times and hopefully finally their countrymen give them some applause too.

It looks like a horses-for-courses distinction here. Rohit and Kohli repeatedly kept failing in the recently concluded BGT test series on more lively pitches.

They can still perform on spinning or flat surfaces but not on the more pacy SENA grounds. I suspect the duo will fail in the upcoming Eng test series and fail big.

 

[kron]

We were not winning against Pakistan or Australia without him.
Trust him, I bash Kohli more often than not. But he has delivered in this tournament very well for us. Its a different matter that we want him to score big daddy hundreds every time he walks in to bat. He should have had nearly 120 centuries by now, but he is stuck in 80s. He is under delivered against what he had hoped and we will remain disappointed in him.
But this CT win has been his contribution.

We will win more I feel
Pakistan is a mediocre team and Aus team were beaten in the Gabba etc without useless kohli

Unless you mean odi then yes even still we can win

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I agree, these guys have been our biggest cricketers for a reason- and don’t deserve the abuse they get. Yes, they maybe seniors in the team, but it’s not like they are not performing in big matches, they are not a drag on the team.

One thing though is Rohit Sharma’s fitness - this is not the culture that Kohli had hard fought to put it in the team. Him as the captain should be putting in the extra yards to maintain fitness, but that’s not the case.

Fitness can be an issue if an exception is made for one player then it bleeds into the rest of the team who also take it easy. It doesn't look like thats an issue for the Indian team.
I do think both of them should eye up retirement soon though - 2027 ODI WC seems quite a far reach, especially for Rohit.

 

[mominsaigol]

We were not winning against Pakistan or Australia without him.
Trust him, I bash Kohli more often than not. But he has delivered in this tournament very well for us. Its a different matter that we want him to score big daddy hundreds every time he walks in to bat. He should have had nearly 120 centuries by now, but he is stuck in 80s. He is under delivered against what he had hoped and we will remain disappointed in him.
But this CT win has been his contribution.

A top 5 greatest odi batsmen. A top 3 greatest t20 batsmen.

A top 1 greatest all format batsmen.

But A circus clown in test cricket. He went from being the 2nd greatest test player of his era after Steve smith and in the same league as lara, Viv, Sachin in test to a circus clown.

His 30 centuries are not a reflection of how bad he's been in that format since in 6 years he's only managed to score 3 test centuries in 6 years and most of the time he's avg 20 to 29 in said format.

His test slump is what caused people to hate him and idkw. You Indians don't make any sense. I've always respected rohit, Bumrah and kohli even if I hate some Indian trolls and certain rubbish players being overglorifed like Laxman who's trash beyond belief.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

It looks like a horses-for-courses distinction here. Rohit and Kohli repeatedly kept failing in the recently concluded BGT test series on more lively pitches.

They can still perform on spinning or flat surfaces but not on the more pacy SENA grounds. I suspect the duo will fail in the upcoming Eng test series and fail big.

England will likely make flattish pitches to go for Bazball approach so it may be worth keeping them on.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

We will win more I feel
Pakistan is a mediocre team and Aus team were beaten in the Gabba etc without useless kohli

Unless you mean odi then yes even still we can win

Exactly, I have been very critical of having Kohli in tests. We have been winning in tests despite Kohli not because of Kohli.
Unless he miraculously becomes Joe Root for the test season, he needs to retire from test ASAP.
But for ICC tournaments he has been delivering for the last 3 for sure and we won 2 and lost the final in the third.

 

[mikeypbadana86]

Uh?

I meant odi World Cup specifically homeboy

Averages 29 lmaoo

29

Goat

This guy is goat? Hahaha

Crap logic brother. I think Mohammed shami has the best bowling average compared to all time greats in ICC ODI tournaments. It will be foolish to say Shami is an all time great even better than wasim/waqar considering their world cup record is definetly inferior to shami.

Sanath Jayasuriya is an all time ODI great. Out of 5 world cups he played, his only knock out innings was in 1996 against ENG in a quarter final. He failed in all semis/finals. Knock outs always bring two best teams which means, the best opposition bowlers who can get it right in one magic delivery.

 

[Varun]

Kohli and Rohit are still finished.

JAMODI runs mean nothing.

 

[RexRex]

Kohli and Rohit are still finished.

JAMODI runs mean nothing.

They don't have the reflexes anymore needed for livelier pitches.

 

[mikeypbadana86]

@kron Help me understand this. Kohli got LBW in champions trophy final. He negotiated spin very well in semis and in the match against PAK , playing on the backfoot. What did he do different in the final, it resulted in his dismissal? was he overconfident playing across the line on front foot? Should he have played on the backfoot like he did in semis/match against PAK?

I am trying to understand if its decline in his bastmanship against SPIN. I am sure, he addressed some of his shortcomings in BGT trophy where he started playing on the backfoot more in champions trophy final. what could he have done different in this match? There was not any preassure when he came on to bat from a match situation point of view. Just wondering from a technical aspect, what led to kohlis dimissal?

 

[mikeypbadana86]

A top 5 greatest odi batsmen. A top 3 greatest t20 batsmen.

A top 1 greatest all format batsmen.

But A circus clown in test cricket. He went from being the 2nd greatest test player of his era after Steve smith and in the same league as lara, Viv, Sachin in test to a circus clown.

His 30 centuries are not a reflection of how bad he's been in that format since in 6 years he's only managed to score 3 test centuries in 6 years and most of the time he's avg 20 to 29 in said format.

His test slump is what caused people to hate him and idkw. You Indians don't make any sense. I've always respected rohit, Bumrah and kohli even if I hate some Indian trolls and certain rubbish players being overglorifed like Laxman who's trash beyond belief.

On a serious note, Kohli contributed very well overall in multiple ICC tournaments including impactful knockout innings specially being the player of tournament in 2014 t20 world cup. 2016 t20 world cup and 2023 ODI world cup. Why is the general perception he is generally sub-par when it comes to knock out in ODI's? do people expect too high of him that his semi final performance against AUS is forgotten the moment he does not score in final? Is not there anything like "law of averages" for greats too , or even all time greats where its not humanly possible to score in every knock out, every final, every semis etc? Shed some light on this from a neutral perspective. He did fine in knock outs, overall!!!

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Kohli and Rohit are still finished.

JAMODI runs mean nothing.

True and who will account for the penalty of dropped catches and mis fields by these two oldies.
Its been a long long time when they produced some fielding magic.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

BCCI Officials In Debate Over Keeping Virat Kohli, Rohit Sharma In Top Grade Of Central Contracts: Report

All stakeholders in the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) are not on the same page over keeping Rohit Sharma, Virat Kohli and Ravindra Jadeja in the top A-Plus Grade category of central contracts, according to a report by news agency PTI. However, the report added that ‘an influential section’ in the board wants the status quo to be maintained for the top category at least.

The BCCI men’s central contracts are divided into four pay grades. The A-Plus category has a retainership of Rs 7 crore, followed by A where the player gets Rs 5 crore while those in Grade B and C earn Rs 3 crore and 1 crore respectively. Only Rohit, Kohli, Jadeja and Jasprit Bumrah were the highest category contracts last year and it was seen as a reward for them playing all three formats for the country.

Any men’s player needs to play either three Tests, eight ODIs or 10 T20Is during a particular calendar year to be considered for the next season’s BCCI central contracts. The contracts will be prepared by the national selection committee in consultation with the head coach (Gautam Gambhir in this case) and secretary Devajit Saikia before being placed in front of the Apex Council for approval.

BCCI Officials In Debate Over Keeping Virat Kohli, Rohit Sharma In Top Grade Of Central Contracts: Report - News18

BCCI stakeholders are divided over keeping Rohit Sharma, Virat Kohli, and Ravindra Jadeja in the A-Plus Grade contracts, which offer Rs 7 crore. Changes in other categories are expected.

www.news18.com

 

[mominsaigol]

In test cricket these 2 are finished.

Kohli tbf in test cricket can win you games if he has a good day but he's been avg 20+ in test cricket for 6 years now. He really kicks off once in a blue moon.

As for rohit, he's useless in test, damn near useless. He was a blessing for Australia in BGT. Rohit gave Australia 2 easy wins right off the bat despite India starting strong in perth.

No wonder he had to drop himself but by then it was too late. Australia always has an advantage in a 5 match test series for 2 reasons.

A) Pink ball test: Their the only nation that knows how to play it and tbh the only one that actually plays it.

B) Fitness: By the 5th test, Indian's lack of fitness was in display. Not saying that their not fit, but 5 test matches is gruelling for anyone especially bowlers, Even England tends to suffer alot.

Hence 2 test wins are usually guaranteed for Australia since 90% chance they'll win the pink ball test and the 5th test.

Once Rohit gifted the 3rd test to Australia, the writing was on the wall. The rain induced game saved some face from a humiliating 4-1 bashing.

 

[Mohraheem]

While these players were being developed.. All we did was Misbah Misbah Misbah

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Rohit and Kohli will still win India the World T20 2026.

They have been bashed too many times but they will still deliver another trophy.

 

[saimayubera]

Rohit and Kohli will still win India the World T20 2026.

They have been bashed too many times but they will still deliver another trophy.

They have retired.

But yes, India are the favourites for that.

 

[Mockingbird]

Rohit and Kohli will still win India the World T20 2026.

They have been bashed too many times but they will still deliver another trophy.

Eh, they have both retired from T20Is, so why would they play that WC?

 

[Mockingbird]

In test cricket these 2 are finished.

Kohli tbf in test cricket can win you games if he has a good day but he's been avg 20+ in test cricket for 6 years now. He really kicks off once in a blue moon.

As for rohit, he's useless in test, damn near useless. He was a blessing for Australia in BGT. Rohit gave Australia 2 easy wins right off the bat despite India starting strong in perth.

No wonder he had to drop himself but by then it was too late. Australia always has an advantage in a 5 match test series for 2 reasons.

A) Pink ball test: Their the only nation that knows how to play it and tbh the only one that actually plays it.

B) Fitness: By the 5th test, Indian's lack of fitness was in display. Not saying that their not fit, but 5 test matches is gruelling for anyone especially bowlers, Even England tends to suffer alot.

Hence 2 test wins are usually guaranteed for Australia since 90% chance they'll win the pink ball test and the 5th test.

Once Rohit gifted the 3rd test to Australia, the writing was on the wall. The rain induced game saved some face from a humiliating 4-1 bashing.

I agree they are done in Tests.

 

[BouncerGuy]

These 2 are dragging themselves atm. I think it was a perfect moment for them to say good bye to the game after CT victory.

 

[kron]

These 2 are dragging themselves atm. I think it was a perfect moment for them to say good bye to the game after CT victory.

Story of desi cricketers

Even with all this money they won’t quit

I mean these guys are set for generations to come.

Still they will drag on and block young talents

 

[kron]

@kron Help me understand this. Kohli got LBW in champions trophy final. He negotiated spin very well in semis and in the match against PAK , playing on the backfoot. What did he do different in the final, it resulted in his dismissal? was he overconfident playing across the line on front foot? Should he have played on the backfoot like he did in semis/match against PAK?

I am trying to understand if its decline in his bastmanship against SPIN. I am sure, he addressed some of his shortcomings in BGT trophy where he started playing on the backfoot more in champions trophy final. what could he have done different in this match? There was not any preassure when he came on to bat from a match situation point of view. Just wondering from a technical aspect, what led to kohlis dimissal?

Kohli was brilliant vs spin until 2018. Went downhill from there

Also pitches in India dint help. At times we had rank turners where ordinary bowlers become lethal as we saw with santner and Patel recenty

Kohli lost his reflexes. He relies more on reflexes. As you age this slows down. He doesn’t seem the ball early anymore. He also lacks power to clear boundaries in general. He gets trapped too easily in front of wicket.

In odi he is ok vs spin. He can manage but if he is tasked with taking them on he will struggle

Also remember even in 2018 when he scored a lot vs England, he had issues vs moeen Ali ? I saw some chinks in the armour back then itself

But I don’t think he would exposed this badly vs spin and outside off

Also he looks older than his stated age

 

[kron]

Crap logic brother. I think Mohammed shami has the best bowling average compared to all time greats in ICC ODI tournaments. It will be foolish to say Shami is an all time great even better than wasim/waqar considering their world cup record is definetly inferior to shami.

Sanath Jayasuriya is an all time ODI great. Out of 5 world cups he played, his only knock out innings was in 1996 against ENG in a quarter final. He failed in all semis/finals. Knock outs always bring two best teams which means, the best opposition bowlers who can get it right in one magic delivery.

Shami is definitely better than waqar

Wasim record in icc events is inferior to shami actually
It’s pretty close

Infact it’s a lot closer than you think

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Story of desi cricketers

Even with all this money they won’t quit

I mean these guys are set for generations to come.

Still they will drag on and block young talents

I have a slightly different take on this. Retirement is not easy, especially expecting someone not even reaching their 40s. We desis have hardly learnt to develop some hobbies or other pastimes, same is with these sports stars. Their game has been their life ever since they remember. In cricket we end up comparing to Australia and England which have very mature sporting cultures built over centuries and have a culture of retired life. We desis are yet to reach that luxury.
Not saying its right, just an observation of why it keeps happening

 

[deltexas]

Thats just the mentality of senior SC cricketers. They will hang in till they are virtually kicked out. But I don't blame players at all for wanting to play as long as Possible. Thats their right. It's up to the spineless selection committee to drop them . And the players know this and takemax advantage out of this with their social media PR firms working overtime. Ms Sajdeh, I am looking at you as the PR team leader.

Rohit kohli jadeja klrahul are done in tests and T20 cricket . And 2027 odi wc is a bridge too far. They can still play ipl for as long as they want but their Ind playing career should be finished

 

[saimayubera]

Shami is definitely better than waqar

Wasim record in icc events is inferior to shami actually
It’s pretty close

Infact it’s a lot closer than you think

As an ODI bowler Shami>Waqar.

Comparable averages and that is with Shami playing exclusively in two new ball era.

Shami has better ICC record and also has an ICC ODI trophy unlike Waqar.

 

[mominsaigol]

As an ODI bowler Shami>Waqar.

Comparable averages and that is with Shami playing exclusively in two new ball era.

Shami has better ICC record and also has an ICC ODI trophy unlike Waqar.

I agree with the rest but having an icc trophy isn't a metric lol . That depends on luck since you are dependant upon your other 10 players lol. One bowler isn't going to have a field day 24/7, even if that bowler is mcgrath lol.

By this logic Warner and Smith are > Pretty much all of India since these 2 collectively have won more wtc, T20 wc, and odi World cups then pretty much anyone in India.

Sachin has 1, kohli has 4, Rohit has 4 etc etc

While Warner has 6, 2 WTC's + 2 t20 world cups + 2 odi world cups lol.

But even though l like Warner and view him as a better all format batsmen then rohit and most of India, He isnt > Kohli or Sachin as a batter.

Similarly smith is > Kohli in tests and in the same tier as Sachin intests but way behind them in odi and t20 despite the fact that he has 1 more cup then sachin does in odi.

De villers is > Most of Australia in odi. I believe only Ponting is better then de villers as a batsmen in odi, yet de villers doesnt have as many trophies lol.

 

[kron]

As an ODI bowler Shami>Waqar.

Comparable averages and that is with Shami playing exclusively in two new ball era.

Shami has better ICC record and also has an ICC ODI trophy unlike Waqar.

Shami is also a better test bowler than Waqar imo

Wasim I agree is ahead but on Asian pitches I would pick shami over Waqar anyday
Also in SA and probably Aus pitches I pick shami easily

England is where Waqar is better and nz.

 

[saimayubera]

I agree with the rest but having an icc trophy isn't a metric lol . That depends on luck since you are dependant upon your other 10 players lol. One bowler isn't going to have a field day 24/7, even if that bowler is mcgrath lol.

By this logic Warner and Smith are > Pretty much all of India since these 2 collectively have won more wtc, T20 wc, and odi World cups then pretty much anyone in India.

Sachin has 1, kohli has 4, Rohit has 4 etc etc

While Warner has 6, 2 WTC's + 2 t20 world cups + 2 odi world cups lol.

But even though l like Warner and view him as a better all format batsmen then rohit and most of India, He isnt > Kohli or Sachin as a batter.

Similarly smith is > Kohli in tests and in the same tier as Sachin intests but way behind them in odi and t20 despite the fact that he has 1 more cup then sachin does in odi.

De villers is > Most of Australia in odi. I believe only Ponting is better then de villers as a batsmen in odi, yet de villers doesnt have as many trophies lol.

????

When the hell did Australia win 2 WTCs and 2 T20 WCs?

Both Smith and Warner are at 4, tied with Rohit and Kohli

Sachin has 2, including 2002 CT as well

Your argument has merit but don't use false stats.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Kohli was brilliant vs spin until 2018. Went downhill from there

Also pitches in India dint help. At times we had rank turners where ordinary bowlers become lethal as we saw with santner and Patel recenty

Kohli lost his reflexes. He relies more on reflexes. As you age this slows down. He doesn’t seem the ball early anymore. He also lacks power to clear boundaries in general. He gets trapped too easily in front of wicket.

In odi he is ok vs spin. He can manage but if he is tasked with taking them on he will struggle

Also remember even in 2018 when he scored a lot vs England, he had issues vs moeen Ali ? I saw some chinks in the armour back then itself

But I don’t think he would exposed this badly vs spin and outside off

Also he looks older than his stated age

Good analysis. Kohli is still able to find success in ODI because much of his game is based on strike-rotation. And that is an area where he still excels at more than most because of his supreme level of fitness. You also have to look at his performances in CT a bit more closely I reckon. Did he really dominate spin? Against Bangladesh, Rishad got the better of him and he got out for not many runs. Against Pakistan, he didn't really score at all against Abrar but dominated the pacers. In the final again he fell to the spin of Bracewell. He deserves credit for his performance in the semi-final, where he managed to see off a quality spinner like Zampa, who has gotten the better of him many times historically. But like the Pakistan match where they had the darter Khushdil as the second spinner, the overall quality of the spin-attack was highly questionable with inexperienced players like Cooper Connolly and Tanveer Sangha making up the rest of the attack.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

I agree with the rest but having an icc trophy isn't a metric lol . That depends on luck since you are dependant upon your other 10 players lol. One bowler isn't going to have a field day 24/7, even if that bowler is mcgrath lol.

By this logic Warner and Smith are > Pretty much all of India since these 2 collectively have won more wtc, T20 wc, and odi World cups then pretty much anyone in India.

Sachin has 1, kohli has 4, Rohit has 4 etc etc

While Warner has 6, 2 WTC's + 2 t20 world cups + 2 odi world cups lol.

But even though l like Warner and view him as a better all format batsmen then rohit and most of India, He isnt > Kohli or Sachin as a batter.

Similarly smith is > Kohli in tests and in the same tier as Sachin intests but way behind them in odi and t20 despite the fact that he has 1 more cup then sachin does in odi.

De villers is > Most of Australia in odi. I believe only Ponting is better then de villers as a batsmen in odi, yet de villers doesnt have as many trophies lol.

Bro, I see you as the statsguru on this forum as you always meticulously check stats. Could you provide the date and years that Smith and Warner won 6 ICC trophies? Thanks bro.

 

[kron]

????

When the hell did Australia win 2 WTCs and 2 T20 WCs?

Both Smith and Warner are at 4, tied with Rohit and Kohli

Sachin has 2, including 2002 CT as well

Your argument has merit but don't use false stats.

Aus is a trash t20 team