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Majority of people in Western countries like UK, USA, Australia, France have children when they're not expecting one, with most of them becoming parents in their teen years or early 20s, yet that hasn't stopped those countries prospering and developing as the global economic powers they are today.Don't have children if you're not ready to become a parent.
Majority of people in Western countries like UK, USA, Australia, France have children when they're not expecting one, with most of them becoming parents in their teen years or early 20s, yet that hasn't stopped those countries prospering and developing as the global economic powers they are today.
You just made that up because it's simply not true. The average maternal age in some western/westernised countries at the time of first childbirth :
Austria - 29
Australia - 28.7
Belgium - 28.6
Canada - 28.1
Denmark - 29.1
France - 28.1
Germany - 29.4
Italy - 30.7
Sweden - 29.1
UK - 28.5
US - 26.4
The only country where the average maternal age at the time of having your first child is less than 27 is in the US, a country that has third world levels of religious observance and is easily a century behind every single other industrialized countries on most social indicators. Apart from that one exceptional case, the average age at which people have their first child in most western countries is in the 28-31 range so what you claim simply isn't true. For comparison, here are the corresponding figures for some third world countries:
Afghanistan 19.9
Bangladesh 18.5
Egypt 22.7
Kenya 20.3
Mexico 21
Pakistan 23
Theres a strong direct correlation between level of economic development and, on average, how late people have their first child.
Well I live in the UK so I know what I'm talking about in terms of UK. I mentioned the other western nations such as USA, France, Australia as I was under the impression those countries people have the same culture/mentality as the white English people in UK, but I could be wrong about it as I haven't lived in those countries.
I grew up in a town about 40 minutes away from London, and attended a decent school (not the best, but not the worst school). The school was around 80% white and 20% asian. Around 80% of the white kids that attended this school, had their first born child by the age of 21. While 0% of the Asian kids had kids at 21. It outlines the culture/mentality of the two ethnic groups. Before I went uni, I used to work a retail job with this "posh" private school girl and she even had their first kid at 18. Even in the UK, we have politicians who had children in their teenage years and even they are encouraging the current generation to have children in their teenage years.
Those statistics you posted are not accurate at all, especially when you see the average first child in Bangladesh is 18.5, which goes to show you the credibility of the source you're using.
You said:Well I live in the UK so I know what I'm talking about in terms of UK.
Actual age at which the average Brit has her first child: 28.5 which is closer to 30 than early 20s or teens so you clearly don't know what you're talking about.with most of them becoming parents in their teen years or early 20s,
They do. They all have roughly the same average age at which they have their first children, in the 28-30 range. Only exception is the US, an unusually religious industrialized country, where it's still closer to 30 than early 20s or teens, at 26.4.I mentioned the other western nations such as USA, France, Australia as I was under the impression those countries people have the same culture/mentality as the white English people in UK, but I could be wrong about it as I haven't lived in those countries.
Yes, and your personal opinions based on the observations of one individual are more accurate? The 18.5 year figure for Bangladesh is not even that surprising, it's pretty normal for this part of the world. What's actually surprising is that it's as high as 23 in Pakistan.Those statistics you posted are not accurate at all, especially when you see the average first child in Bangladesh is 18.5, which goes to show you the credibility of the source you're using.
I think you are confusing your personal lived experiences with the actual reality - a very common error. It only needs a minute to check the website of the ONS (Office for National statistics). This will give you the correct average age of women at birth of first child in England & Wales. In 2016 it was 28.8 years. And the equivalent data for Bangladesh is also available from the Index Mundi or the CIA world factbook - it's 18.5 years.
And BTW, I have lived, studied & worked in England most of my life - but that is totally irrelevant to this particular post. The statistics would be just as true if I had spent all my life at the south pole.
I clearly don't know what I'm talking about? I was born in the UK and lived here my entire life, so I'm aware of the culture/mentality in this country. I've worked, studied and hanged around with white British people in my life, so that was I was able to draw conclusions, which is all based on real life observations. I'm not basing my opinion on some figure off CIA World factbook website.You said:
Actual age at which the average Brit has her first child: 28.5 which is closer to 30 than early 20s or teens so you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
They do. They all have roughly the same average age at which they have their first children, in the 28-30 range. Only exception is the US, an unusually religious industrialized country, where it's still closer to 30 than early 20s or teens, at 26.4.
Yes, and your personal opinions based on the observations of one individual are more accurate? The 18.5 year figure for Bangladesh is not even that surprising, it's pretty normal for this part of the world. What's actually surprising is that it's as high as 23 in Pakistan.
I don't understand your point when you say I am "confusing my personal experiences with reality". What's reality even supposed to mean? I've lived in the UK my entire life as I was born here, I'm 22 and what I've experienced in my school life/work life, how is that not reality? What's more credible? Some figure on CIA world factbook or your actual real life encounters? Of course, it's always going to be the latter. Whatever CIA factbook is saying, it is definitely not apparent anyways. If that 28.8 was the actual average, then surely that would've felt more apparent. As I've said, I'm not basing my statements on 1-2 people but based on my hometown and school over here. Plus, I'm not just using "personal experiences", but I've already pointed out politicians in this country who encourage teenage pregnancy with the current generation.
Plus, I am half bengali so I'm aware of Bangladesh and I know absolutely nobody in Bangladesh who had a child at the age of 18. What's even more surprising, is that Pakistanis supposedly have children 5 years later than Bengalis.
That was EXACTLY what I am saying. One person's experience is irrelevant to statistics as a whole.Your lived experience forms just a tiny, tiny part of the totality of the nation. The English & Welsh data are from the ONS - and counts the entire population of all babies born to first-time mothers in 2016. Not just one school or even 1 city. So of course is totally credible - it is the sum total of everyones experience.
As for your 22 years here, I have lived here for almost twice that time. Heck, my son is just 4 years younger than you. BTW NOT A SINGLE ONE of his 97 schoolmates (white, black or brown) in 6th form has a child. But that does not count for anything either in the face of nationwide stats. Please do read up on math & stats. It is fascinating how deep our misconceptions (usually based on personal experience) run. And just because you are bengali doesn't mean you know Bangladesh any better than anyone else who has studied the country.
As for example, my wife broadcast on BBC bengali for 15 years, interviewed ministers, the PM (Hasina or Khaleda Zia ), judges, artistes etc every week. Still would sometimes come to me to discuss relevant data before challenging interviews. And she spent 20 years in West Bengal before coming here. She did not imagine that just being born somewhere made her an expert on that country. Everybody has to study & learn any given topic.
Finally - from personal experience - in my work I meet 3 - 4000 people every year. About 600 - 800 of them are women of childbearing age. No more than 10% have had teenage pregnancies. But even then I would not like to draw inferences which cannot be confirmed by statistics. That is known as a scientific viewpoint.
Please do some reading and research. Arguing just on the basis of "my own experience" is not an intelligent thing to do. Won't get you very far trying to defend a PhD thesis.