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What do you think is the main reason for Pakistan’s recent poor performance?

What do you think are the main reasons for Pakistan’s recent poor performance?

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There has been a significant amount of criticism directed towards Pakistan players regarding their conduct. Critics have pointed out instances of them booking 60 hotel rooms, going shopping, dining, sleeping in the dressing room, groupings within the team, etc. The question remains: are all these criticisms valid or are their critics merely overreacting?
 
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As I said in another thread, if you start losing even minor things start getting highlighted like your allegiance to alcohol etc.

The primary aim of a team is to win and if they keep failing people will find something or someone to blame.

The truth is we are desperately short on talent and are a hostage to a couple of cricketers who are kings in a blind man's village so they get to do what they want.

A complete paradigm overhaul is the way forward with these 2 fraud cricketers being thrown out.

Only then will Pakistan start improving.
 
After being the finalist in the last T20 and lost due to an unfortunate injury to Shaheen, It was very sad to see how nepotism and friendship destroyed this team ☹️ Picking a 350 pounder to play while other young fit and deserving players like Mohammed Haris are left out. All joke and fun about Zimbabar aside, but he has no killer instinct,no intent in batting. Pakistan lacked power hitters who can take the game away from the opposition. Then they cannot handle pressure situations. Unless they adapt beffore the next T20 W/ cup, it will be the same story again
 
IMMY69 said:
You make one player captain then after just one series you revert back to the old captain.

This is laughable...

How can any team do well when you have idiots running the show
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That is correct, it could cause players to be disunited as is allegedly stated by Kirsten
 
To announce $100k bonus for each player if they win a tournament!!
That's like a mafia business....

Whilst we have imbiciles running cricket I'm afraid we'll continue to see the decline
 
Inswinging Yorker said:
That is correct, it could cause players to be disunited as is allegedly stated by Kirsten
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The board bent over backwards for some of the players...
they bought back retired players, picked unworthy players (such as Azam), never forced out of form players to play first class cricket.... the list is endless...

This just breeds groupings within the set up and for team game this is the very last thing you need to be successful.
 
PakFan2010 said:
The biggest reason is the lack of talent in batting and spin.
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This. The option isn't even in the polls because no one wants to admit it.

PCB may become the most efficient board but even then it can not eradicate the issue of lack of talent.

If you talk about grass root issue, I see more discipline and professionalism in under 19 players all over the world than the pakistani team.

Make whatever permutation/combnation.... the resulting team will still won't be much different.

Can anyone name a few from the domestic arena which can take the big boys....
 
Sorry to say, but when things go wrong, Pakistani fans and media enter a witch-hunting mode. From what the team eats to the car they drive, where they travel, everything is scrutinized to the heights of pettiness.

Add to that an already insecure generation of some mediocre cricketers, and you don't even get what you would normally get from a team like that. This is a big reason why the insecure bunch resorts to groupings and friendships, they feel secure in numbers.

Ofcourse all of this stems from an incompetent board, but other factors really make Pakistan perform a lot worse than they should.
 
Pakistan fast bowling is no longer able to offset the short comings in batting department and spin department. They do. But only to certain extent.
 
This is precisely what happens when international level players are picked on stats and performances in a league like PSL.

Add lack of professionalism, education, and fitness to the list too.
 
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Hikaru said:
Sorry to say, but when things go wrong, Pakistani fans and media enter a witch-hunting mode. From what the team eats to the car they drive, where they travel, everything is scrutinized to the heights of pettiness.

Add to that an already insecure generation of some mediocre cricketers, and you don't even get what you would normally get from a team like that. This is a big reason why the insecure bunch resorts to groupings and friendships, they feel secure in numbers.

Ofcourse all of this stems from an incompetent board, but other factors really make Pakistan perform a lot worse than they should.
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They've certainly lost their inconsistency tag... they're just consistently bad
 
RyanRyan10 said:
@Rana @mominsaigol @topspin @RidiculousMan @Nikhil_cric @CerebralPatriot and others please vote
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Bro, I don't agree with the options. I don't think there is enough talent/skill available in entire Pakistan cricket system to make a significant difference to the outcome .

Saim Ayub is a player who easily passes the eye test and had strong numbers in this year's PSL.

If he's struggling to bridge that gap from PSL to international cricket, then there is little hope for the others.

The system is simply not producing the players to enable Pakistan to compete at this level. Not consistently anyway.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Bro, I don't agree with the options. I don't think there is enough talent/skill available in entire Pakistan cricket system to make a significant difference to the outcome .

Saim Ayub is a player who easily passes the eye test and had strong numbers in this year's PSL.

If he's struggling to bridge that gap from PSL to international cricket, then there is little hope for the others.

The system is simply not producing the players to enable Pakistan to compete at this level. Not consistently anyway.
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Not sure why they are breakign their head over T20 failure. Austrlaia did not win a world T20 for years since its inception. It took them 15 years. But they were doing well in longer formats. Even the one they won was due to fluky toss wins. If Pakistan doesn't focus on longer formats the slide will continue.
 
Itachi said:
This. The option isn't even in the polls because no one wants to admit it.

PCB may become the most efficient board but even then it can not eradicate the issue of lack of talent.

If you talk about grass root issue, I see more discipline and professionalism in under 19 players all over the world than the pakistani team.

Make whatever permutation/combnation.... the resulting team will still won't be much different.

Can anyone name a few from the domestic arena which can take the big boys....
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I disagree with the talent bit...

There are kids from poor families that are just on a different level but they only have street cricket and due to proverty are unable to pursue their cricket...

Tens of thousands of talented kids are left behind as cricket in Pakistan is only for the 5pct of the rich.
 
Countries like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and West Indies have under-invested in their cricket i.e. domestic tournaments, youth academies, high-performance centers etc.

They're still stuck in the amateur era of cricket, whereas SENA + India run professional setups.

Both SA and NZ have gone through periods of struggle recently, but they've bounced back owing to strong systems.

It's only downhill from here for Pakistan cricket. Your squads have gotten worse each tournament since 2003.
 
RyanRyan10 said:
There has been a significant amount of criticism directed towards Pakistan players regarding their conduct. Critics have pointed out instances of them booking 60 hotel rooms, going shopping, dining, sleeping in the dressing room, groupings within the team, etc. The question remains: are all these criticisms valid or are their critics merely overreacting?
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They can book whatever they wish, idrc about their private life. Heck they may book 50 family rooms for all I care.

As long as they are winning games or at the very least functioning like a mid card side. Rn their playing like minnows or actually their playing worse.

You can bring your family, I don't see an issue with it, As long as it doesn't get in the way of training, practise. Babar going to a mall on the eve of the India game was wrong plain and simple. But I don't see why they can't go to a mall post World cup or Before the cup aka before they start training and practise.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Bro, I don't agree with the options. I don't think there is enough talent/skill available in entire Pakistan cricket system to make a significant difference to the outcome .

Saim Ayub is a player who easily passes the eye test and had strong numbers in this year's PSL.

If he's struggling to bridge that gap from PSL to international cricket, then there is little hope for the others.

The system is simply not producing the players to enable Pakistan to compete at this level. Not consistently anyway.
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Theirs no such thing as talent. Its a myth, People like gilchrist or kohli weren't born from the sky.

Someone like Kohli trains every day, Figures put his weaknesses for example he use to be clueless against inswing and it exposed him in 2012, Since then he developed the footwork of coming forward and crossbatting it and became one of the best odi players of inswing. He's also a vegetarian and trains his body.

Meanwhile Bobby has developed a dad bod, ontop of that he isn't willing to improve, Constant interviews of him saying " IM A T20 ANCHORER " , milestones obsessions and opening fixation and finally being clueless In general, Even if he was as hard working as kohli he's so clueless that he'd probably not realising his flaws and work on them.

It's the same with many other players. Players like azam khan and usman khan haven't even learned how to drive, Which in Australian cricket academies is the first shot that they teach you.

The fact they can't even do something as simple as that, Heck even rizwan can barely do it, Always dabbing and jabbing it and he's supposedly Pakistan's star, that shows how bad the circumstances are.

Working smarter + Harder is what fixes everything, plain and simple, but obviously that ain't happening if you have the IQ of a toothpick and your idea of working hard is sneaking burgers in a hotel room and making meme tiktok videos in restraunts.
 
reduce salaries.. make them work hard for money... easy money will make lazy ppl .. cut down salaries 1.6 crore annually to 15lak
 
one of the biggest reason is nepotism which is basically damaging this game in Pakistan.

We need to come out from dosti yari culture and start giving chances to ypung players on merit i m sure this same team will start winning games for Pakistan.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Bro, I don't agree with the options. I don't think there is enough talent/skill available in entire Pakistan cricket system to make a significant difference to the outcome .

Saim Ayub is a player who easily passes the eye test and had strong numbers in this year's PSL.

If he's struggling to bridge that gap from PSL to international cricket, then there is little hope for the others.

The system is simply not producing the players to enable Pakistan to compete at this level. Not consistently anyway.
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Saim Ayub is a class example of someone who has the talent to succeed but doesn’t have the game awareness to realize his potential.

Unfortunately that’s how most of our cricketers, whether senior or juniors, operate nowadays.

Our U19 team was really good in the last World Cup but a bit of pressure and they fell aside in the semi-final. The intent to be champions is just not there in the whole system, it’s all about how to stay in the team and how to somehow get yourself to the PSL and stay there.

We have wasted the likes of Haider Ali etc because of our management, so the few talented players we do get, we don’t propel them to the next level.

Having Babar as captain is also compounding this fact, where the team is defeated even before they take the field because of how he carries himself. This team is good enough to beat a team like USA 9/10 times, but the fact that they lost to them twice in one game speaks volumes about the team’s attitude right now.

Also our players in domestic cricket also need to take some responsibility and strive to get better. No one wants to bat in the middle order, just as openers where they can bash runs against hapless bowlers on flat wickets and rack up stats.

Same goes for spin bowlers, they just want to follow the examples of Shadab and Imad and establish themselves in the team somehow by justifying themselves as bits and pieces cricketers.
 
Professional Sports is supposed to be very ruthless. When you keep sticking to out of form players in a prolonged slump and if you keep sticking to players who perform in one game and then go missing in the next 10 games, don't be surprised.

Not to mention the team being the most unfit, out of shape in the field and a clueless captain who it a weak who only wants the leadership for the additional perks, privileges vs wanting to actually achieve something for the side.

Recipe for disaster
 
No one is talking about the actual crisis here aswell. Something which is apparent but former players, journalists, fans etc are busy slinging mud at the national team, the management and the chairman.

We have no middle order batter right now in our entire domestic cricket and no all-format spin bowler aswell. There should be a literal SOS call that gets the message across to the entire system - be it club level cricket, school cricket, academies, NCA etc.

Players themselves need to take responsibility as I mentioned in the earlier post. Look at the stats of every domestic competition in the past few years and you will find openers dominating the batting charts.

We are probably the only ones right now who have a talent crisis for particular positions - not because we don’t have talent in the country but because no one wants to develop themselves as dynamic middle order batters. Everyone wants to bat inside the power play and score soft runs.

Spin bowling talent is dead because of the pitches we developed in the last ten years, not because Imran Khan came in and put away departments in our domestic cricket. This issue was highlighted numerous teams before yet no one is speaking about it now, because they are too busy mud-slinging to gain TRPs.

Why don’t the likes of Kamran Akmal, Salman Butt, Hafeez etc talk about the state of pitches in first-class cricket ten years ago? Those pitches decimated our spin bowling department as random low pace trundlers used to take 10-wicket hauls every game on under-prepared wickets and spin bowlers were used just to give rest to the pace bowlers. No long spells were expected of any spinner, so when you destroy a culture so easily for a number of years how do you expect this art to get revived?

The same idiots blasting the national team at the moment were the ones in charge at the time - Haroon Rasheed, Mudassar Nazar etc
 
Usman Chadda said:
Saim Ayub is a class example of someone who has the talent to succeed but doesn’t have the game awareness to realize his potential.

Unfortunately that’s how most of our cricketers, whether senior or juniors, operate nowadays.

Our U19 team was really good in the last World Cup but a bit of pressure and they fell aside in the semi-final. The intent to be champions is just not there in the whole system, it’s all about how to stay in the team and how to somehow get yourself to the PSL and stay there.

We have wasted the likes of Haider Ali etc because of our management, so the few talented players we do get, we don’t propel them to the next level.

Having Babar as captain is also compounding this fact, where the team is defeated even before they take the field because of how he carries himself. This team is good enough to beat a team like USA 9/10 times, but the fact that they lost to them twice in one game speaks volumes about the team’s attitude right now.

Also our players in domestic cricket also need to take some responsibility and strive to get better. No one wants to bat in the middle order, just as openers where they can bash runs against hapless bowlers on flat wickets and rack up stats.

Same goes for spin bowlers, they just want to follow the examples of Shadab and Imad and establish themselves in the team somehow by justifying themselves as bits and pieces cricketers.
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We also played our worst 11 against usa. Then again we did that every game where we played shadab over Abrar
 
I don't think this T20 proves anything, but getting whitewashed by Eng at home and strugling agaisnt AUS/NZ at home in test format is a real big decline.

I am forgetting the name, but one person looked not fit to play but he was playing for Pakistan. That guy can't run doubles. Something is drastically wrong if a cricket mad country have that kind of players playing for them in current era.

Domestic set up seems not good( commenting this even though I don't follow Pakistani domestic set up or games ). Fix that and do well in the test format, everything will follow from that. T20 is not the game to judge anything. Yah, losing agaisnt poart timers( USA) was bad but it can happen.
 
Pakistan's problems started when Shoaib Malik took over as captain. And it hasn't ended since. Sure, they won the 2009 T20 WC and the CT 2017 since then. But even India won the 1983 WC and the 1985 B&H World Championship in the 1980's.
 
Hitman said:
Pakistan's problems started when Shoaib Malik took over as captain. And it hasn't ended since. Sure, they won the 2009 T20 WC and the CT 2017 since then. But even India won the 1983 WC and the 1985 B&H World Championship in the 1980's.
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That's always been the formula - individual glimpses of brilliance masking systemic fault lines and so no real change is instigated. Hence, the trophies here and there but haven't dominated any aspect of cricket in the way Australia, India, or say, England in ODIs in the leadup to WC19 did.

The only outlier to this is the Test team playing on barren pitches in the UAE in the leadup to getting the Test mace in 2016 but after that England series, the Test team has been in utter shambles bar the 2018 1-1 England series.
 
Hitman said:
Pakistan's problems started when Shoaib Malik took over as captain. And it hasn't ended since. Sure, they won the 2009 T20 WC and the CT 2017 since then. But even India won the 1983 WC and the 1985 B&H World Championship in the 1980's.
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In between Pakistan became number 1 test team as well.
 
They care more about their social media performance and from random t20 leagues, rather than actual cricket performance for Pak
 
Current issues are
A) fitness of fast bowlers
B)lack of quality spinners.

We always have been a bowling powerhouse but for past year or so our bowlers have let us down. Fast Bowlers have become unfit, therefore they lack rhythm, and we don’t have good spinners who can control the game in middle overs. Consequently, we are leaking too many runs and our batting isn’t able to match it.

There are many long term issues and until those issues are addressed, Pakistan will always remain an inconsistent side.
 
Problems with Pakistan cricket lie way beyond just the cricket structure. Pakistan's systems are somehow still stuck in the 90s. Cricket is actually one of the shining spot for Pakistan. When you are left as the one of the only two nations , other being Afghanistan, having Polio. Something is seriously wrong and core fundamental operations of the country.

Honestly, Pakistan is actually outperforming in cricket with the structure and resources it has at hand.
 
All the options are fine but the serious issue is lack of mentors and player development. If you look at 2022 WC to now most of the players are regressed and aren't as good as they used to be. Mentorship is really important. When young players come into the team it is important for experienced hands like Rizwan & Babar to assume that role but they haven't. This has been an issue since Imran, Wasim etc left the team. None of the recent Pakistan captains actually developed or mentored young players.

It is a miracle that Pakistan even manages to put up decent performances in all formats despite that. India had the same issue with the fast bowlers over the years until recently. You can have all the talent in the world but if you don't have good examples within the team you are not going to develop and become successful in this game. Like someone said the players come from poor background with very little to no education. It is easy to fall into bad habits if the team culture does not inspire them to work hard and improve. Pakistan have been in this rut for a while, this is not something which can be changed with just new captain or personnel change. May be Gary Kirsten can bring about the change if he sticks around long enough and he gets the right kind of players in the team who are receptive to his changes.
 
Talent, fitness and lack of commitment.
Pakistan players under Babar behave like Tourists.. as if they have never seen a plate of food.
They behave like Bhookay nangay people out to chump on loads of food and go to all favorite tourist stops. Play cricket is just a side job.
 
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