What does a full strength Pakistan ODI team look like?

[HappyWarsFan]

Surely I can't be the only one who feels like this is a B-ish team we are playing.

Full strength team would be in my opinion -

1) Imam

2) Fakhar

3) Babar

4) Rizwan

5) Saud/Haris

6) Mohammad Hafeez

7) Imad/Faheem

8) Hasan Ali

9) Haris Rauf/Hasnain

10) Shaheen

11) Usman Qadir

What do you guys think? I think even despite our somewhat limited resources, we are limiting ourselves. We aren't playing a proper batsmen at 5 or 6 currently, and we aren't playing a proper spinner.

Losing sucks, but it's especially annoying when we feel understrength.

Discuss!

 

[zain41]

imam
fakhar
babar
hafeez
rizwan
haider
imad
faheem
hasan
amir
shaheen

 

[HappyWarsFan]

imam
fakhar
babar
hafeez
rizwan
haider
imad
faheem
hasan
amir
shaheen

I like this XI a lot too,.although I'd prefer Haris over Amir because he is a wicket taker. I am recalling back in 2018-19 when we couldn't buy a wicket mainly due to Amir not being able to take any wickets at all.

Also I'd prefer a more solid batsmen in place if Haider, would go with Saud and rely.on Hafeez, Imad and Faheem to powerhit.

Honestly at full strength our ODI team looks fairly good. It just sucks we aren't using it.

 

[zain41]

I like this XI a lot too,.although I'd prefer Haris over Amir because he is a wicket taker. I am recalling back in 2018-19 when we couldn't buy a wicket mainly due to Amir not being able to take any wickets at all.

Also I'd prefer a more solid batsmen in place if Haider, would go with Saud and rely.on Hafeez, Imad and Faheem to powerhit.

Honestly at full strength our ODI team looks fairly good. It just sucks we aren't using it.

I absolutely agree with you..in the years past our pool of players simply was not good enough..we do have a decent pool of players now but not picking the right ones

 

[ads101]

1. Imam
2. Rizwan/Fakhar
3. Babar
4. Fakhar/Rizwan
5. Hafeez
6. Haider Ali
7. Imad
8. Hasan
9. Amir
10. Zafar/Nawaz/Shadab (dunno who our best spinner is currently, we've not given extended runs to anyone but Shadab in recent years)
11. Shaheen

 

[HappyWarsFan]

I don't get the obsession of playing hacks like Asif and Danish in the middle order in the name.of power hitting. In my opinion, it's always better to pick proper batsmen like Saud, Haris etc. who once set can also deliver blows and are much reliable in tough situations. Just rely on lower order all rounders like Imad, Faheem etc. To powerhit.

Hafeez is the GOAT so he's everything - bowler, batsmen and huge power hitter.

I really think managements strategy is wrong - you should never use pure hacks to power hit. They must be a proper batsmen first and foremost.

 

[zain41]

I don't get the obsession of playing hacks like Asif and Danish in the middle order in the name.of power hitting. In my opinion, it's always better to pick proper batsmen like Saud, Haris etc. who once set can also deliver blows and are much reliable in tough situations. Just rely on lower order all rounders like Imad, Faheem etc. To powerhit.

Hafeez is the GOAT so he's everything - bowler, batsmen and huge power hitter.

I really think managements strategy is wrong - you should never use pure hacks to power hit. They must be a proper batsmen first and foremost.

if your going to play someone in the name of power hitting you might as well insert sharjeel in that slot

 

[Rana]

Try this...

Fakhar
Sharjeel
Imam
Babar
Rizwan (wk)
Haider
Faheem
Imad
Hassan
Rauf
Shaheen

 

[Zardad]

Why shouldn’t Rizwan open? He can take his time like Imam but can at least hit a bit if required. Gives room for an extra hitter in the middle order
1. Rizwan
2. Fakhar
3. Babar
4. Haris
5. ?
6. Hafeez
7. Imad
8. Shadab
9. Hassan Ali
10. ?
11. Shaheen

 

[zain41]

Try this...

Fakhar
Sharjeel
Imam
Babar
Rizwan (wk)
Haider
Faheem
Imad
Hassan
Rauf
Shaheen

this is not a bad lineup but for me i would still open with imam and give sharjeel the ' power hitting role" and slot him in after haider

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Why shouldn’t Rizwan open? He can take his time like Imam but can at least hit a bit if required. Gives room for an extra hitter in the middle order
1. Rizwan
2. Fakhar
3. Babar
4. Haris
5. ?
6. Hafeez
7. Imad
8. Shadab
9. Hassan Ali
10. ?
11. Shaheen

Would have Faheem in place of Shadab in your XI, and Haider would slot nicely in at 5 there, but Imam has played fairly well and is reliable, no way he would get dropped.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Try this...

Fakhar
Sharjeel
Imam
Babar
Rizwan (wk)
Haider
Faheem
Imad
Hassan
Rauf
Shaheen

Don't see any value in Imam at no. 3 and it messes with Babar's position. I also don't think Sharjeel is fit enough for one-days.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Interested what you think, [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Sharjeel Khan
Fakhar Zaman
Babar Azam
Mohammad Hafeez
Haider Ali
Umar Akmal

This is easily our best top 6. All the players listed above have been proven match winners. Sharjeel Khan and Fakhar Zaman can be our Roy+Bairstow. We have Babar and Hafeez who are capable of rebuilding an innings if the top 2 get out early. Haider Ali and Umar Akmal are our best power hitters, Rizwan should be restricted to tests only.

Faheem Ashraf
Hassan Ali
Mohammad Amir
Shaheen Afridi
Usman Qadir

Shaheen and Amir are our best new ball bowlers. Hassan Ali and Faheem Ashraf are our best middle over bowlers, and Usman Qadir is our best spinner.



Anyone that thinks Imam is a better option than Sharjeel in ODI’s is clearly stuck in the 90’s, it’s time to move on from players with SR’s of 70 and low 80’s.

 

[hitthestump]

I don't get the obsession of playing hacks like Asif and Danish in the middle order in the name.of power hitting. In my opinion, it's always better to pick proper batsmen like Saud, Haris etc. who once set can also deliver blows and are much reliable in tough situations. Just rely on lower order all rounders like Imad, Faheem etc. To powerhit.

Hafeez is the GOAT so he's everything - bowler, batsmen and huge power hitter.

I really think managements strategy is wrong - you should never use pure hacks to power hit. They must be a proper batsmen first and foremost.

Your strategy is something you had in the 90's - the game has moved on now. Look at England and India, they are all power hitters.

6 proper batsmen will ensure we have no chance of winning the 2023 WC. This is why there is an 'obsession' with finding a power hitter and why Danish/Asif get in over anyone else at this time.

 

[topspin]

Shaheen, Amir and Hasan Ali have to be the three pacers in this side.

Pakistan also need Haider Ali and Imad. Dare I say if we had these two plus Hasan Ali, Pakistan would have clinched it today.

Sharjeel should also open if he can prove form and fitness.

This Pakistan team at most is about 60% full strength.

 

[salahuddin10]

1 Sharjeel(needs to inprove fitness)
2 Babar azam(bats really well in pp)
3 Fakhar(should play anchor role since knows how to accelerate)
4 Hafeez/Haris
5 Rizwan
6 Haider ali
7 imad/faheem
8 Hassan Ali
9 qadir/zahid
10 Shaheen
11 Amir /Hasnain

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Your strategy is something you had in the 90's - the game has moved on now. Look at England and India, they are all power hitters.

6 proper batsmen will ensure we have no chance of winning the 2023 WC. This is why there is an 'obsession' with finding a power hitter and why Danish/Asif get in over anyone else at this time.

Well look at what someone like Haris did in the WC - he hit 89 off 59 when he was properly set. Also, Hafeez, Imad, Faheem, Hasan is plenty of power hitting.

Those batsmen on India and England are not just 'power hitters' - they are proper players who are flexible. Let's say, Jos Buttler for example. He is a power hitter but he can also stay in and rebuild like a normal batsmen. Clowns like Aziz or Asif do not have any batting skills, and it shows with their domestic stats.

 

[Zeshan547]

Well look at what someone like Haris did in the WC - he hit 89 off 59 when he was properly set. Also, Hafeez, Imad, Faheem, Hasan is plenty of power hitting.

Those batsmen on India and England are not just 'power hitters' - they are proper players who are flexible. Let's say, Jos Buttler for example. He is a power hitter but he can also stay in and rebuild like a normal batsmen. Clowns like Aziz or Asif do not have any batting skills, and it shows with their domestic stats.

Fully agree, unless we have razzaq or even afridi level proper proven hitter in domestic no need to try one in national team for sake of it, if we had your line up with proper batsman we would have clinched today chase easily, these good for nothing fake hitters are counter productive and we are effectively playing with 9 players.

 

[Bigboii]

Well look at what someone like Haris did in the WC - he hit 89 off 59 when he was properly set. Also, Hafeez, Imad, Faheem, Hasan is plenty of power hitting.

Those batsmen on India and England are not just 'power hitters' - they are proper players who are flexible. Let's say, Jos Buttler for example. He is a power hitter but he can also stay in and rebuild like a normal batsmen. Clowns like Aziz or Asif do not have any batting skills, and it shows with their domestic stats.

yeah no one looks at THIS

hitter, hitters, hitters tired of this

 

[Mahee]

with batsmen like babar and fakhar, Pakistan is already looking scary

 

[naseem]

Surely I can't be the only one who feels like this is a B-ish team we are playing.

Full strength team would be in my opinion -

1) Imam

2) Fakhar

3) Babar

4) Rizwan

5) Saud/Haris

6) Mohammad Hafeez

7) Imad/Faheem

8) Hasan Ali

9) Haris Rauf/Hasnain

10) Shaheen

11) Usman Qadir

What do you guys think? I think even despite our somewhat limited resources, we are limiting ourselves. We aren't playing a proper batsmen at 5 or 6 currently, and we aren't playing a proper spinner.

Losing sucks, but it's especially annoying when we feel understrength.

Discuss!

Imam
Fakhar
Babar
Rizwan
Haris / Saud
Haider Ali..
Faheem...
Hasan Ali...
Hasnain/ Rauf
Saheen
Qadir

 

[naseem]

If the pitch is flat....I would play Sharjeel in place of Imam ...let Fakhar accumulate

 

[moghul]

Surely I can't be the only one who feels like this is a B-ish team we are playing.

Full strength team would be in my opinion -

1) Imam

2) Fakhar

3) Babar

4) Rizwan

5) Saud/Haris

6) Mohammad Hafeez

7) Imad/Faheem

8) Hasan Ali

9) Haris Rauf/Hasnain

10) Shaheen

11) Usman Qadir

What do you guys think? I think even despite our somewhat limited resources, we are limiting ourselves. We aren't playing a proper batsmen at 5 or 6 currently, and we aren't playing a proper spinner.

Losing sucks, but it's especially annoying when we feel understrength.

Discuss!

Harris , who, Sohail, ??? why is so difficult to forget this useless and chronically unfit player.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Hafeez is retired from ODIs. Don't know why he is being mentioned here.

1) Imam

2) Fakhar

3) Babar

4) Rizwan

5) Haris Sohail

6) Imad

7) Faheem

8) Hasan Ali

9) Haris Rauf

10) Shaheen

11) Usman Qadir

12) Haider Ali


Shadab until he rediscovers his form needs to be banished to domestic cricket.

 

[Rayyman]

Hafeez is retired from ODIs. Don't know why he is being mentioned here.

1) Imam

2) Fakhar

3) Babar

4) Rizwan

5) Haris Sohail

6) Imad

7) Faheem

8) Hasan Ali

9) Haris Rauf

10) Shaheen

11) Usman Qadir

12) Haider Ali


Shadab until he rediscovers his form needs to be banished to domestic cricket.

Agree with this. Good team bro.

 

[Justcrazy]

Sharjeel
Fakhar
Babar
Harris
Rizwan
Haider Ali
Faheem
Imad Wasim
Hassan Ali
Shadab
Shaheen

Batting till number 10

6 bowling options.

 

[cricketerB94]

This is the team I'll build for 2023 WC:

1- Imam / (Abdullah as Imam's backup)
2- Fakhar / (Haider as Fakhar's backup)
3- Babar
4- Rizwan / (Rohail as Rizwan's backup)
5- Haris / (Saud or Agha Salman as Haris' backup)
6- Hafeez / (Qasim Akram as Hafeez's backup)
7- Imad / (Danish as Imad's backup)
8- Usman Qadir
9- Hasan
10 Rauf / Hasnain (needs to work on his death bowling)
11- Shaheen

We know that the next ODI world cup is in India, so there is no need of a pace-bowling all-rounder. 3 quicks are enough for those conditions and we should focus on adding a proper spinner in the squad instead of bits and pieces spinners.

The backup players that I mentioned in the above 11 should not be part of the 11 straight away. They should be developed in those roles in List-A games so they can replace the main player as soon as it's required (due to injury or form).

Numbers 5, 6 and 7 should be the utility players. Their primary department should be batting, but they should be able to bowl as well, and should be able to share 15 to 20 overs between them. Haris+Hafeez+Imad are very good batsmen and good enough to share 15 to 20 or even 25 overs between them on a good day. Their backup should be as good i.e. Saud/Agha+Qasim+Danish should be able to bowl 15 to 20 or even 25 overs on a good day and should be able to bat properly.

The concept of power hitting is wrong in Pakistan. We have idealised Shahid Afridi as a power hitter who was very good but not reliable. Cricket has changed from those days and the power hitters need to be reliable today. They should be able to build innings as well if needed. In today's age, every batsman needs to be a power hitter and we should not rely on some specialist power hitters. Power hitting is the ability that can be built. Hafeez has proven that and he figured that out at the end of his career. Every batsman in the lineup from Imam to Hasan, needs to work on their power hitting game and should be able to execute that 5th gear in match situations.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Hafeez is retired from ODIs. Don't know why he is being mentioned here.

1) Imam

2) Fakhar

3) Babar

4) Rizwan

5) Haris Sohail

6) Imad

7) Faheem

8) Hasan Ali

9) Haris Rauf

10) Shaheen

11) Usman Qadir

12) Haider Ali


Shadab until he rediscovers his form needs to be banished to domestic cricket.

This is a great team! Considering the WC is in India next it's good you've picked a specialist spinner.

One thing - I did some googling around and Hafeez has certain not retired from ODI. He only did in Tests.

So I'd just replace Faheem with Hafeez in your lineup and that would be great.

 

[gazza619]

Hafeez has retired!

My first choice XI:
1. Fakhar Zaman
2. Imam ul Haq
3. Babar Azam
4. Sharjeel Khan
5. Muhammad Rizwan
6. Haris Sohail
7. Imad Wasim
8. Hasan Ali
9. Shaheen Afridi
10. Haris Rauf
11. Usman Qadir

 

[saabir]

1. Fakhar
2. Sharjeel
3. Babar
4. Rizwan
5. Saud/Haris
6. Haider Ali
7. Faheem
8. Imad
9. Hasan Ali
10. Usman Qadir
11. Shaheen Afridi
12. Imam
13. Haris Rouf
14. Hasnain
15. Shadab
This should be 16 member squad for world cup in India. Players should be selected based on pitches and form of the player
This is the balanced

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Surely I can't be the only one who feels like this is a B-ish team we are playing.

Full strength team would be in my opinion -

1) Imam

2) Fakhar

3) Babar

4) Rizwan

5) Saud/Haris

6) Mohammad Hafeez

7) Imad/Faheem

8) Hasan Ali

9) Haris Rauf/Hasnain

10) Shaheen

11) Usman Qadir

What do you guys think? I think even despite our somewhat limited resources, we are limiting ourselves. We aren't playing a proper batsmen at 5 or 6 currently, and we aren't playing a proper spinner.

Losing sucks, but it's especially annoying when we feel understrength.

Discuss!

Here's my take bro and current improvements we need:

Opening- We don't utilise that opening powerplay as we should and that's possibly down to the low-ish SR of Imam (good player, but just needs to rotate the strike more) and inconsistency at times of Fakhar (congrats to him on the nearly 200 but just need consistency from him, not asking for 100s all the time but at least some mid-40 scores).

Finisher- We have no booming batsman who can play a little cameo at the end which is an issue in our t20 squad as well, hopefully the message is clear to management now that Asif Ali isn't the man we seek to finish an innings. Potential names that come to mind are Azam Khan and Shoaib Moqsood, we sort of have our opening to middle order slots confirmed.

Spinner- We really need a good chinaman bowler which batsmen will struggle to read and be confused by his action, personally and it's a hunch i feel that Sajid Khan might be the man, but he needs games.

Fast bowling support- We need someone else who will support Shaheen with keeping it tight and take wickets in the middle, does Haris Rauf fulfil this role in India? I don't think so, does Arshad Iqbal fulfil this role? Who knows.

That's my take on the weaknesses Pakistan need to fix in both the ODI and t20 squad.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

This is a great team! Considering the WC is in India next it's good you've picked a specialist spinner.

One thing - I did some googling around and Hafeez has certain not retired from ODI. He only did in Tests.

So I'd just replace Faheem with Hafeez in your lineup and that would be great.

Hafeez has said multiple times that he would retire from international cricket after the T20 World Cup. And since he has not moaned about not being in ODIs post-World Cup my understanding was that he has retired from ODIs. Maybe I'm wrong but I think there's a tacit understanding between the board and him that he is retired from ODIs.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

Rizwan (offers everything that Imam has to offer)
Fakhar/Imam/Abdullah (whoever is in better form of these)
Babar
Haris
Hafeez (let's milk him for a few more months if we can)
Haider
Imad/Shadab/Nawaz/Yamin
Fahim/Hammad Azam
Hassan
Qadir/Hasnain (depending where we play)
Shaheen

Ideally, I want Babar to open but then if he falls in the first over, that will be disastrous.

 

[shamaan]

My xi would be

Fakhar
Imaam
Babar
Rizwan
Saud
Haider ali
Shadab/nawaz
Fahim
Hassan ali
Husnain
Shaheen

 

[Hasan123]

It’s pretty clear what the top 4 will be going forward. It’s now about trying to identify who can bat at 5 and 6. Another spinner to replace or partner Shadab if the Pakistan management don’t want to drop Shadab. Shaheen is definitely our best seamer, we need to know who will partner him. Would also like to see a back up keeper developed. We need to move on from Sarfraz, Rizwan needs competition and we need a back up just in case anything happens to him.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Fakhar
Shehzad
Babar
Imam
Rizwan
Haider Ali
Faheem
Shadab
Hasnain
Hassan Ali
Shaheen

 

[JattMaula]

'A full-strength Pakistan Cricket team' is an oxymoron.

There are always better players outside playing eleven.

 

[RyanRyan10]

'A full-strength Pakistan Cricket team' is an oxymoron.

There are always better players outside playing eleven.

Danish Aziz was part of full strength Pakistan Odi team before making his debut

 

[Bigboii]

It’s pretty clear what the top 4 will be going forward. It’s now about trying to identify who can bat at 5 and 6. Another spinner to replace or partner Shadab if the Pakistan management don’t want to drop Shadab. Shaheen is definitely our best seamer, we need to know who will partner him. Would also like to see a back up keeper developed. We need to move on from Sarfraz, Rizwan needs competition and we need a back up just in case anything happens to him.

Rahil is better than Sarfraz rn no doubt

but they probably don't want to hamper his development that's why they re keeping him out of the squad and keeping him in domestics , NCA etc to improve him

I think team management is doing ok in that regard, no need for Rohail in the squad

 

[Bigboii]

Danish Aziz was part of full strength Pakistan Odi team before making his debut

There are certain PPers who do that...

better to not pay attention to them tbh

No man with FC average of 19 should come anywhere near int cricket outside of t20s
if anyone's considering him than he is not a serious poster...

 

[Minnowbasher]

On the one hand we hear complaints that Pakistan plays an old team full of over 30s and on the other we have people here putting Hafeez in our ODI side. Hafeez will be 43 when the world cup 2023 happens - if you want a 43 year old to represent Pakistan in the world cup then be my guest, but don't complain that Pakistan isn't producing any talent.

 

[Hasan123]

Rahil is better than Sarfraz rn no doubt

but they probably don't want to hamper his development that's why they re keeping him out of the squad and keeping him in domestics , NCA etc to improve him

I think team management is doing ok in that regard, no need for Rohail in the squad

I don't see a need for Sarfraz. He is going to be well past his best in 2023. If Rohail isn't ready, someone else should be with the team instead.

 

[Bigboii]

I don't see a need for Sarfraz. He is going to be well past his best in 2023. If Rohail isn't ready, someone else should be with the team instead.

1- Rizwan
2- Roahail
3- Sarfraz

They need a WK in the squad all the time due to the ICC laws

so they are taking the older guy who can keep and there's not much room for development

I don't see the big fuss?

if it was an important tournament than I would see your point but this is just a random series you don't want take an important player like Rohail just for the ride in the process hampering his development , Sarf is OK here

 

[Firebat]

The top 3 + Rizwan is set, new ball bowlers Hassan and Shaheen are set, Usman Qadir as the primary spinner (in subcontinent conditions) is set.

The middle order, I really have no clue what's our strongest.

 

[Ahmed216]

Rizwan
Fakhar
Babar
Saud(can bowl)
Haris(can bowl)
Haider
Nawaz/ faheem depending on the conditions.
Hassan
Qadir
Shaheen
Rauf

 

[Azeem Zafar]

1. Imam
2. Fakhar
3. Babar
4. Rizwan
5. Saud/ Haris
6. Haider
7. Imad
8. Faheem/ Nawaz
9. Hasan/ Hasnain
10. Shaheen
11. Qadir/ Rauf

 

[shamaan]

When saud is fit he should be batting at 4 with rizwan at 5 and haider 6

 

[Farabi]

1. Imam
2. Fakhar
3. Babar
4. Rizwan
5. Saud/ Haris
6. Haider
7. Imad
8. Faheem/ Nawaz
9. Hasan/ Hasnain
10. Shaheen
11. Qadir/ Rauf

Just one change
1. Imam/Sharjeel
2. Fakhar
3. Babar
4. Rizwan
5. Saud/ Haris
6. Haider
7. Imad
8. Faheem/ Nawaz
9. Hasan/ Hasnain
10. Shaheen
11. Qadir/ Rauf

 

[Azeem Zafar]

As much I love to see another attacking opening partner with Fakhar but Sharjeel is just not fit enough for ODI's. Imam in my opinion is doing a quite job of providing some much needed stability in our ODI top order.

 

[Third Man]

Just one change
1. Imam/Sharjeel
2. Fakhar
3. Babar
4. Rizwan
5. Saud/ Haris
6. Haider
7. Imad
8. Faheem/ Nawaz
9. Hasan/ Hasnain
10. Shaheen
11. Qadir/ Rauf

This seems pretty good to me. If you're playing Nawaz at 8, then play Rauf. If you're picking Faheem, then play Qadir at 11. Although Qadir is a better bat than Shaheen, so he probably plays at 10.