What is the minimum criteria for average and strike rate in ODI cricket in this era?

[Ted123]

What is the minimum criteria for an ODI specialist batsman to be considered worthy to merit a place in a top 3 team or be considered a good player in ODI cricket?

I look at the stats of some top order batsmen and as of now, below players average 50+ with 3000+ runs from the top 8 nations:-

Kohli - 58
Babar - 55
Bevan - 53
de Villiers - 53
Dhoni - 50

It is fair to say that averaging 50+ is still a challenge in ODI cricket. Most of the other world class players like Rohit, Warner, Amla, Qdk, Faf, Taylor, Williamson, Root average in the range 45-50.

What should be the minimum combination of average+ strike rate you might expect from all the players of a top team? Discuss.

 

[Hitman]

Ave - 48+; SR - 95+

It's funny an average of 40 and SR of 80 was considered the absolute gold standard in the pre 2 new ball era.

 

[Ted123]

Ave - 48+; SR - 95+

It's funny an average of 40 and SR of 80 was considered the absolute gold standard in the pre 2 new ball era.

Inzy averaged 39@74 SR. He was a world class ODI player. What can be the equivalent of that in this era?

Avg 48, SR 85?

 

[jnaveen1980]

It comes down to their roles. Also Post two new ball the strike rate has to be viewed differently. Post 2015 , 4 fielder restriction should also be taken into account. Some batsmen do "make up" in the end overs to make their innings look less miserable. Few have mastered that art. We can get a ball park number for each batsman.

Post 2015 (you can use the filter last 10 years) you should strike atleast 90 above. Last 10 years rules haven't changed much. So it is a good baseline.

Last 10 years top/middle order batsmen stat in ODI (min 45 avge, 1000 runs) excluding associate encounters

Sorted by strike rate.

Player	Mat	Runs	Avge	SR
H Klaasen (SA)	51	1911	46.6	120.26
AB de Villiers (SA)	45	1940	60.62	118.94
DA Warner (AUS)	99	4787	50.92	101.18
SS Iyer (IND)	64	2489	45.25	101.09
RG Sharma (IND)	133	6778	56.95	99.83
Q de Kock (SA)	110	5004	48.11	99.62
Shubman Gill (IND)	46	2325	58.12	98.1
BA Stokes (ENG)	89	3073	47.27	97.15
V Kohli (IND)	140	7434	63.53	96.75
DJ Malan (ENG)	25	1178	53.54	96.32
DJ Mitchell (NZ)	44	1653	47.22	96.21
MJ Guptill (NZ)	86	3570	45.76	95.42
F du Plessis (SA)	71	3309	62.43	91.4
JE Root (ENG)	119	4864	51.74	89.23
BRM Taylor (ZIM)	29	1328	45.79	89.12
DP Conway (NZ)	34	1369	45.63	88.55
HE van der Dussen (SA)	60	2339	53.15	87.86
KL Rahul (IND)	74	2615	45.87	87.02
HT Tector (IRE)	29	1164	48.5	86.99
Babar Azam (PAK)	111	5184	52.89	86.79
Haris Sohail (PAK)	26	1092	45.5	85.98
LRPL Taylor (NZ)	76	3419	59.98	84.46
Ibrahim Zadran (AFG)	28	1221	46.96	82.94
MS Dhoni (IND)	87	2390	45.96	82.38
Imam-ul-Haq (PAK)	59	2554	48.18	81.91
KS Williamson (NZ)	98	4293	49.91	80.75
SD Hope (WI)	107	4282	48.65	76.19

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[BouncerGuy]

Avg should be above 45 and the strike rate should be above 90-95 to be considered a good modern day batter.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I am not surprised KL Rahul strike rate is mere 87 in the last 10 years. It might look good. But generally you don't strike at 87 in each and every innings. There might be innings where you may score at 120 then 75 in other. So if you calculate the median value that will give you the correct picture.

For KL Rahul the median value is 80 which means more than 50% of the time he is striking at 80. Babar Azam has the exact same median value. 80. If you look at Kohli's median value that is 90. So he most of the time scores at that rate. Fake "Caree strike rate" can be identified with variety of analysis.

 

[Hitman]

Inzy averaged 39@74 SR. He was a world class ODI player. What can be the equivalent of that in this era?

Avg 48, SR 85?

Inzamam was a good ODI player. World class was what Ricky Ponting did who averaged 42 at an SR of 80 with 30 centuries.

 

[Hitman]

Inzy averaged 39@74 SR. He was a world class ODI player. What can be the equivalent of that in this era?

Avg 48, SR 85?

Add to that his humiliating records in WC's, Tournament Finals, and performance against Australia and South Africa.

 

[mominsaigol]

Inzy averaged 39@74 SR. He was a world class ODI player. What can be the equivalent of that in this era?

Avg 48, SR 85?

I agree with @Hitman Inzi was in the good category. He's someone you'd like to have in your team but he's clearly not on par with lara, Sachin or pointing.

These 3 were the best batters in their era. Bevan 1990 form can also be added to this list.

Inzi is mostly in the tier of Gilly, however gilly is viewed as > due to wc 2007 + the fact that he was a wicket keeper who changed the way wicket keepers are perceived in international cricket.

That's aussie mentality monsters for ya.

 

[Sachin fan]

What is the minimum criteria for an ODI specialist batsman to be considered worthy to merit a place in a top 3 team or be considered a good player in ODI cricket?

I look at the stats of some top order batsmen and as of now, below players average 50+ with 3000+ runs from the top 8 nations:-

Kohli - 58
Babar - 55
Bevan - 53
de Villiers - 53
Dhoni - 50

It is fair to say that averaging 50+ is still a challenge in ODI cricket. Most of the other world class players like Rohit, Warner, Amla, Qdk, Faf, Taylor, Williamson, Root average in the range 45-50.

What should be the minimum combination of average+ strike rate you might expect from all the players of a top team? Discuss.

I don't think averaging 50 is a challenge in ODI at all. Apart from de villiers in that list, all others have a certain type of play

Other batsmen can average 50 too if they adopt the same, safe play without taking risks. One of the chief common factors in the list is how these players never hit sixes or balls in the air till the death overs

Dhoni and Kohli could accelerate later but they will never hit sixes till the end overs. Babar doesn't hit sixes much

Some more similar players are Gill, iyer etc

If you don't hit ball in the air on modern ODI pitches you can easily average 50+. But most batsmen don't play like this.

 

[Justcrazy]

I would easily take someone with 40 average with 120 strike rate.

 

[RahulBose]

I would easily take someone with 40 average with 120 strike rate.

Very difficult to sustain in long run

 

[Justcrazy]

Very difficult to sustain in long run

I would go with 35 average player with that strike rate.

If you couple such batters at number 6 and 7 , it will be really good.

Top 5 I would go with 40 average 90 - 100 strike rate

 

[JattMaula]

I era starts now then I would want a specialist batter to average 40+ and strike at 115.

 

[hassan918]

Pakistan batters should be doing better than this in terms of the strike rate. They seem to be still playing cricket of a decade ago.

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[YousafTheBeast]

Average 40+

Strike Rate 95+

 

[Ab Fan]

Average 40+
Strike rate 90+

What are the strike rates of Babar and Rizwan though?

 

[jaisan]

Inzamam was a good ODI player. World class was what Ricky Ponting did who averaged 42 at an SR of 80 with 30 centuries.

Inzamam retired in 2007 and abd debuted around the time.. Compare inzamam with his contoempraries.

 

[Kianig89]

Well there is a huge fanbase of players like Sharjeel Khan, Sahibzada Farhan etc any numbers on their Avg & SR , are they in that elite category, from what i saw they are/were limited hacks with flawed technique.

 

[Hitman]

Inzamam retired in 2007 and abd debuted around the time.. Compare inzamam with his contoempraries.

I compared him with his contemporary Ricky Ponting. Sachin Tendulkar is another contemporary of his, and he averages 45 at an SR of 87 with 49 centuries.​

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

I compared him with his contemporary Ricky Ponting. Sachin Tendulkar is another contemporary of his, and he averages 45 at an SR of 87 with 49 centuries.​

Sachin is eons ahead of Ponting in my opinion, Sachin did it in the 90s, Pontings stats are from the 2000s decade when pitches were usually flat.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Average 40+
Str rate 90+

If you are averaging below 35, you should strike at 100+.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Depends on how you define the modern era.

It's impossible to compare Babar to Bevan

 

[Savak]

Inzamam was a good ODI player. World class was what Ricky Ponting did who averaged 42 at an SR of 80 with 30 centuries.

Ponting was only stellar when he had many other world class players around him like Gilchrist, Waugh brothers, Bevan, Damien Martyn, Michael Clarke, Mathew Hayden, Andrew Symonds and all time great bowlers in McGrath, Warne, Gillespie, Kasprowicz, Lee etc.

Once the vast majority of the legend players retired after 2007, Pontings batting form suffered and he could not deal with the pressure of being the team's main batsman.

Hence why in my opinion Inzamam deserves respect for dealing with the pressure of being the teams vital batsman

 

[Hawkeye]

Ponting was only stellar when he had many other world class players around him like Gilchrist, Waugh brothers, Bevan, Damien Martyn, Michael Clarke, Mathew Hayden, Andrew Symonds and all time great bowlers in McGrath, Warne, Gillespie, Kasprowicz, Lee etc.

Once the vast majority of the legend players retired after 2007, Pontings batting form suffered and he could not deal with the pressure of being the team's main batsman.

Hence why in my opinion Inzamam deserves respect for dealing with the pressure of being the teams vital batsman

Not really. Not Pontings fault there were other great players in the team. His batting performance was individual and surpassed that of Sachins by miles too.

We hold Inzamam in great regard just because he was a Pakistani. Otherwise he was not a “great” of that time and quite below the likes of top batters of that era.

 

[Hawkeye]

Sachin is eons ahead of Ponting in my opinion, Sachin did it in the 90s, Pontings stats are from the 2000s decade when pitches were usually flat.

You have it opposite.

Ponting was miles ahead in ODIs that time. Sachin wasn’t a batsman bowlers feared.

 

[Hitman]

You have it opposite.

Ponting was miles ahead in ODIs that time. Sachin wasn’t a batsman bowlers feared.

LOL, one played at an SR of 87 in the 90's and has a career SR of 87, the other has a career SR of 80. Facts speak louder than biased opinions.​

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The minimum criteria depends on the position but as an overall, I would agree with others it has to be 45+ and 90+

We can be flexible, though, if there is a player that averages 40 but strikes at 100, he should be in the mix too.

 

[Hawkeye]

LOL, one played at an SR of 87 in the 90's and has a career SR of 87, the other has a career SR of 80. Facts speak louder than biased opinions.​

I would pick Ponting as he performed when it mattered and won them tournaments with solid batting.

 

[Farabi]

GOAT: 50+, 100+ OR 40+, 120+
World Class: 45+, 95+ OR 35+, 115+
V. Good: 40+, 95+ OR 30+, 110+

Strike rate below 95 just won’t cut it nowadays.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

GOAT: 50+, 100+ OR 40+, 120+
World Class: 45+, 95+ OR 35+, 115+
V. Good: 40+, 95+ OR 30+, 110+

Strike rate below 95 just won’t cut it nowadays.

But but but saar SR in 120s in t20I for Farhan is bhangra worthy

 

[Farabi]

But but but saar SR in 120s in t20I for Farhan is bhangra worthy

You are absolutely right. Both Farhan and Rizwan need to improve their strike rate, but Rizwan got lots of chances and now it’s Farhan’s turn to sink or swim.

 

[jeetu]

Comparison between era is somewhat possible if stats during that player's era is taken into consideration.

 

[Hitman]

You have it opposite.

Ponting was miles ahead in ODIs that time. Sachin wasn’t a batsman bowlers feared.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/sachin-tendulkar-odi-stats-analysis-way-ahead-of-the-pack-598341

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Avg 45+ SR 90+
But SR has to analyzed in different parts of the innings. How long does he need to start going? (Phase 1) How does he play in the middle overs or how much does he slow down ?(Phase 2) and How much can he accelerate in the last 15 overs (Phase 3)

 

[sithb]

Sachin's time coincided with two decades and two different era's.

Sachin barely opened before 1994 fwiw either.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

You have it opposite.

Ponting was miles ahead in ODIs that time. Sachin wasn’t a batsman bowlers feared.

His stats do not reflect that, neither his rating.

 

[hassan918]

For top order batters it must be 45+ and 95+.