What is the real reason behind the end of Indian team's Test dominance on home soil?

[Devadwal]

Indian cricket team dominated at home from 2012 to 2024 untill NZ whitewash us 3-0 ,what seems to be the main issue with indian test side? Is it really a Gambhir problem, or could it just be that they are going through a transition phase after losing stalwarts like Virat,Rohit & Ashwin through retirement and Shami through injury?

 

[Devadwal]

@The Bald Eagle bro Move this thread to cricket section.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

@The Bald Eagle bro Move this thread to cricket section.

Done

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

The arrogance of the players, the coach, the board, and fans like you is the main reason.

 

[Ahmed216]

Can anyone explain why India are playing 5-6 all rounders in the test side?

 

[CricVet]

The arrogance of the players, the coach, the board, and fans like you is the main reason.

Pretty much - You stole my words. I never in my life have been as discreet to speak to Indians as I have been in past 10 years or so. Even my hate for PA Generals is nothing compared to these Sanghis & their dumb leaders.

 

[zahid01]

Reason India is not dominating at home is teams like south Africa have world class bowlers in spin and pace departments you cant doctor the pitches to suit your spinners because they have equally good or better spinners last series against pakistan they won on doctored pitch

 

[Jazx]

The arrogance of the players, the coach, the board, and fans like you is the main reason.

I think they are also lacking good players of spin. Current Indian batsmen's are more comfortable against pace in comparison to yesteryear's players. Rank turners are now helping the oversees spinners more.

 

[Devadwal]

Can anyone explain why India are playing 5-6 all rounders in the test side?

GG has extra Love affair with allrounders. They are good for limited over cricket but in test cricket need proper batsman and bowlers

 

[Devadwal]

Playing Nitish Reddy at home is biggest blunder .

 

[Human786]

GG resulting in pathetic selection .... too much fascination with instant cricket - I know it is hugely lucrative btw !!!

 

[DeadlyVenom]

India lost a lot of big names that carried their cricket.

Ashwin Sharma Kohli were on their last legs and no replacement groomed.

If Jadeja and Bumrah have a bad day nobody is ready yet to step up.

 

[Devadwal]

India lost a lot of big names that carried their cricket.

Ashwin Sharma Kohli were on their last legs and no replacement groomed.

If Jadeja and Bumrah have a bad day nobody is ready yet to step up.

You forget Pujara , India haven't found any replacement of Pujara at 3.

 

[starpain]

Pant's six

 

[Mobashir]

Lack of talent.
If you think Jaiswal, Rahul, Sudarshan/Jurel, Gill, Pant, Jadeja,..... Are consistantly going to win you matches, then you are in for a shock.
First, you have to play the right combination, 6 batters (including wk), all rounder, 4 bowlers (2-2 or 3-1).
That playing XI of india is a lot worst than what people think.

 

[shamaan]

Techniques off most playing nations have gone down considerably.

 

[gazza619]

Playing Nitish Reddy at home is biggest blunder .

What XI would you have picked?

 

[tiger_khan]

Indian fans...

 

[Champ_Pal]

Indian fans...

Fans hold bat and ball and play for the country

 

[Champ_Pal]

The issue is, none of the players in the test team are able to cope with the spin.

Jaiswal and Gill when fit are good.
KL Rahul is decent
Sai sudarshan is not ready for test cricket. This should be the last series for him before taking a long break. He needs more time in domestics.
Pant is too brittle. His injuries are not helping his form
Jurel has flopped. But he scores in A games.
Nitish teddy needs to improve both batting and bowling. He needs to be out of team.
Jaddu has finally flopped in a test series.
Washi is good.
Kuldeep is good.
Bowlers flopped.

 

[hur rizvi]

India need to include genuine batsman in tests.

Only jaiswal and gill are good test batters

Guys like sudharsan, nitish reddy, kl are never going to make India dominant at home

 

[Savak]

India after dominating at home for a good 12 years are allowed to have 1-2 bad series. Need to give credit to a massively improved full of character South African side which has beaten Australia in a WTC final, Pakistan in Pakistan and now India in India. They are now back to their 2012-2015 best form in all formats of the game

 

[Ab Fan]

India are not able to win key moments. They are pretty loose and T20s have made sure players don’t have patience now.

Selections hasn’t been consistent. What did Sarfaraz do to get dropped in Indian conditions? There seems to be a bit preference given to players whom they think will do well in SENA but as a result, we have ended up losing couple of home series. Not winning crucial moments is a big problem as well.

Wankhede vs NZ - India couldn’t chase 150.
Lords vs Eng - India couldn’t chase 190. That pitch got so much better afterwards when Jadeja was batting with Bumrah/Siraj.
Kolkata vs SA - India couldn’t chase 124.

They also seem to be missing Ashwin because he and Jadeja were basically carrying the Indian team at home for last 5-6 years when Indian batsman including Kohli, Rohit, Pujara were getting flopped.

And finally, credit to South Africa because they learnt a lesson after their last tour to India that they need to have good spinners alongwith pacers to win test matches across the world. They have been able to win crucial moments under the captaincy of Bavuma. NZ also did the same under captaincy of Latham last year.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

We dont have good red ball players. Current selection is crap.
Gill is yet to establish himself as a leader.

Iyer / Pandya seem good fit as captaincy contenders, Pant is not a leader and post his comeback from that life threatening accident looks a shadow of himself.

Too much focus on winning icc events like odi/ t20 titles seem to have corrupted the test selection

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

When you have a mediocre team, lose toss then you are toast, India lost all 5 tosses against sa, nz home tests

 

[sweep_shot]

India after dominating at home for a good 12 years are allowed to have 1-2 bad series. Need to give credit to a massively improved full of character South African side which has beaten Australia in a WTC final, Pakistan in Pakistan and now India in India. They are now back to their 2012-2015 best form in all formats of the game

They are likely to have more than 1-2 bad series.

There is no more Kohli, Rohit, Pujara, and Ashwin. Once Bumrah, Kuldeep, and Siraj retire, things are likely to become far worse.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Their overconfidence and egoism

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Lack of talent.
If you think Jaiswal, Rahul, Sudarshan/Jurel, Gill, Pant, Jadeja,..... Are consistantly going to win you matches, then you are in for a shock.
First, you have to play the right combination, 6 batters (including wk), all rounder, 4 bowlers (2-2 or 3-1).
That playing XI of india is a lot worst than what people think.

If that was the case we wouldn’t have drawn the series in England.

The team is new and settling. Jaiswal is one of the best talent in the world, Gill is up there too.

As for Jadeja, lol, that guy literally helped us in a 11 year domination in home matches.

Literally all of them are better test players than Babar Azam.

 

[Hitman]

If that was the case we wouldn’t have drawn the series in England.

The team is new and settling. Jaiswal is one of the best talent in the world, Gill is up there too.

As for Jadeja, lol, that guy literally helped us in a 11 year domination in home matches.

Literally all of them are better test players than Babar Azam.

It's an insult for Jadeja to be compared to a specialist batsman averaging 42 in Tests with 1 century in SENA. Jadeja being a bowling all rounder averages 38 with the bat in Tests.​

 

[harshjoshi87]

The real reason behind this decline is people like @Devadwal keep supporting third class ftb like Gill & Sudarshan in the test team.

 

[harshjoshi87]

Gambhir's arrogance & ego has cost us another series at home.

When you have batsmen like Gaikwad, Patidar, Karun, Sarfaraz performing in first class cricket, yet you opt to play with only two batsmen Rahul & Jaiswal, you are bound to lose. Gill is reduced to being a puppet in this ego game of Gambhir.

In all likelyhood, we will lose in SL & NZ too. End of our WTC even if we manage to beat Australia in '27.

 

[Devadwal]

The real reason behind this decline is people like @Devadwal keep supporting third class ftb like Gill & Sudarshan in the test team.

Clown gill is not playing this series and he was the reason why we drawn the series in England.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Test cricket is dying quickly in India, too much focus on IPL, no quality bats with any decent technique is coming to the test scene for India.

Unfortunately India's test cricket playing days are over, they will be like a Pakistan or Bangladesh...

 

[NishanKonar]

Look at this test team & u realise its actually a good T20 team

There lies the problem. Bit & pieces players are great for T20s but not so great for tests

Also Kuldeep is a white ball bowler , not red ball player. Its a big difference

 

[shah9425]

Good to see this humiliation

Love it

 

[harshjoshi87]

Clown gill is not playing this series and he was the reason why we drawn the series in England.

Coward Gill suits better than clown Gill.

Btw clown, your prediction about Gaikwad in Indian team has come wrong

 

[Devadwal]

Coward Gill suits better than clown Gill.

Btw clown, your prediction about Gaikwad in Indian team has come wrong

Tuktukraj is selected for water boy duty

 

[Vikram1989]

This is an interstate news for test fans.

BCCI Makes Roadmap To Keep Vaibhav Sooryavanshi And Co. 'Test Ready' After debacles .

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/bcci-makes-roadmap-to-keep-vaibhav-sooryavanshi-and-co-test-ready-after-five-big-home-defeats-11311644

 

[jnaveen1980]

This is an interstate news for test fans.

BCCI Makes Roadmap To Keep Vaibhav Sooryavanshi And Co. 'Test Ready' After debacles .

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/bcci-makes-roadmap-to-keep-vaibhav-sooryavanshi-and-co-test-ready-after-five-big-home-defeats-11311644

India will come back very strongly. Home series loss is the most easily fixable issue. India's overseas performance is still more than decent even during transition. Drew the series in ENgland. In Australia we played with the same oldies lost 1-3. With a bit of luck could have been 2-2.

 

[sithb]

Gambhir is a very bad coach when it comes to tests.

The likes of Kohli and Sharma were given way too much time.

A long period of time was given to KL before he finally started scoring a modicum of runs.

Players like Pujara , Hanuma Vihari were sidelined because they weren't the long term prospects even if they did in fact score some much needed runs which helped india fight on and score competitive targets.

Rahane was way too inconsistent with the bat and that ended up costing india some wins.

Washington Sundar should have been transformed into a batsman who can bowl rather than as a bowler who can bat. His bowling was never upto par.

There is a lack of a quality spinner to replace Ashwin and that's a big problem.

 

[U$ofA]

Good that the BCCI has a roadmap. They are attempting keep test cricket on the radar.

But BCCI's other actions paint a kind of a different picture. Or a picture of things to come.

BCCI have quietly shaved off a test from test series not involving Eng or Aus. Things seem to have gone to two test "series" now.

 

[Savak]

Every major team goes through a temporary transition. Nothing to be too concerned about.

 

[charlie007]

It’s the ability to play spin well. T20s have resulted in player techniques getting loose - the aggressive intent regardless of the quality of the ball bowled, not being able to leave balls alone that should normally be in Tests, lack of good footwork against spin, losing the patience to bat long etc. are all factors in the decline. All are fixable especially because these all are top tier players in the world.

 

[aarizzler720]

reckon, a lot of batters in middle order don't have great fc recoed sucha s sai, and maybe even gill, also without a big first innings lead they still struggle to chase modern totals also issues against spin too, guys like santner, patel and harmer gioiving them a tough time, and this is the place where warne avg 43 and murali 45, they could'nt get wickets, their deliveries did'nt gripped and turned very slow allowing the batters to play them on backfoot, attack on frontfoot before even it turned and drive them easily because of low bounce and dead pitches. In contrast, guys like santner and harmer have found a solution, they target the stumps, n his historic 13-wicket haul in Pune (2024), Santner relied on a "squarer" line that made every delivery a threat for LBW or bowled., . By dipping the ball below 87kph they forced Indian batters to commit forward, only for the ball to grip and bounce more than expected. also they have exploied rank tureners better, also does'nt help that nz and sa have better focus at tests recently than india maybe.