What is wrong with NZC and why have they failed to achieve anything in the sport?

[Aman]

Call it an overreaction, but it's frustrating to watch this team fail over and over again.

Come the big moment and big match, these guys crumble. Give them WI, SL or another mid tier team @ home and they look like world beaters.

Step foot in Aus, they crumble. Irrespective of format and the team Australia play, they lose.

Step foot in England, they compete and then choke.

Step foot in India, they compete and then proceed to throw away a historic series win away.

Come world tournaments they look like world beaters again, then comes the Semi and they crumble again.

There are teams who are going through low points in there history but have still won multiple ICC titles and achieved great feats at this level. But here we sit, having achieved nothing in the sport outside a KO trophy in 2000.

Will they ever get it together and do anything other than disappoint?

 

[RainMan_]

They just whitewashed the CT winner. Take chill pill. Lol

 

[Aman]

They just whitewashed the CT winner. Take chill pill. Lol

Because winning some useless JAMODI at home is so valuable.

We all know it's losing to false hopes, I'm not going to be fooled. This team is going to be exposed next year in the WC.

Bottom line is this team loses everytime when it matters. Losing important matches is what we do.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Lol what? You have only a population of 4 million and it's not even the biggest sport in the country. NZ in the last 15 odd years have been brilliant since bond and mccullum emerged. You shouldn't expect that much from your team considering that you are already kicking well above your weight.

 

[Aman]

Lol what? You have only a population of 4 million and it's not even the biggest sport in the country. NZ in the last 15 odd years have been brilliant since bond and mccullum emerged. You shouldn't expect that much from your team considering that you are already kicking well above your weight.

In the last 15 years, we've won zero ICC trophies, 1 Test in England, 1 Test in Australia, 1 Test in the UAE, 0 Tests in India, 0 Tests in SA and have won a grand total of ZERO away series wins in 15 years in these countries.

So again, what have they achieved that is to be proud of?

 

[Stark]

Aman getting the keeda of wrist slitting from pp


NZ is a highly respected and a worthy side.

 

[Aman]

Aman getting the keeda of wrist slitting from pp


NZ is a highly respected and a worthy side.

If you spent your entire life as a fan watching India put up these results, you wouldn't be happy either.

 

[Stark]

NZ has done quite well, esp for a country their size.. while having other sports of interest as well.
They have the respect from the opposition and should give you a hint at the least.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

In the last 15 years, we've won zero ICC trophies, 1 Test in England, 1 Test in Australia, 1 Test in the UAE, 0 Tests in India, 0 Tests in SA and have won a grand total of ZERO away series wins in 15 years in these countries.

So again, what have they achieved that is to be proud of?

Aman I wasn't trying to rile you up at all. Apologies if it came off that way since you reported my post but what I meant was you guys have done really well. Drew a series in UAE and England, won in Windies and reached a World Cup final. I just think you're overreacting because you lost a couple of T20's. There was a time when NZ lost test series at home to teams like pakistan but you whitewashed them last time so there definitely is improvement. But let's be realistic . NZ are not gonna win tests away consistently in difficult places like you expect and they may never be able to do that.

 

[Aman]

Aman I wasn't trying to rile you up at all. Apologies if it came off that way since you reported my post but what I meant was you guys have done really well. Drew a series in UAE and England, won in Windies and reached a World Cup final. I just think you're overreacting because you lost a couple of T20's. There was a time when NZ lost test series at home to teams like pakistan but you whitewashed them last time so there definitely is improvement. But let's be realistic . NZ are not gonna win tests away consistently in difficult places like you expect and they may never be able to do that.

Oh no, that was for a edit I needed. That might have happened because the post was quoting yours.

But it's disheartening to see us fall short over and over again, when teams who are weaker than us atm are still capable (WI, SL and Pakistan).

 

[Convict]

imo New Zealand cricket has always lacked ambition. You know that you are a small country and that cricket is a distant second to rugby union.

The aim has thus never been to be the best but to always be a competitive mid tier team.

 

[barah_admi]

NZC is nowhere near as well funded as ECB, PCB, CA or BCCI. It has a much smaller domestic structure and population. The fact that they have consistently put up competitive teams for about 20 years, produced world class players and reached finals is enough.

 

[MMHS]

Not sure wjat’s OP’s motive here; but I don’t think the title is appropriate. For a country of 4.5 mn population, half of which is either immigrants or indigenous people, NZ’s sports history is one of the richest in world. Apart from Rughby, they have qualified for WC soccer, that too because of FIFA’s decision for NZ to qualify through a play-off with South America. Had they been given a spot in Asia like AUS, they would have made it more frequently. They have made WC field hockey final, major winner golfer, top squash players and regular Olympic golds in multiple events. And, OKC’s Adam is Kiwi. In cricket as well, I actually find NZ quite good, considering it’s a nische white sports there and probably 4/5th in packing order. AUS, Holland, NZ, Canada, Cuba are among countries whose sports output is impressive compared to population.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Leadership. You guys need more captains like McCullum to inspire the nation. It's a shame his stint was so short. Despite that, he changed the NZ culture and turned them into a very dangerous side. Now you have Kane leading, a typical timid NZ captain, that isn't going to lead the team anywhere.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I think NZ won CT 2000. World cup is the only one that is missing.

 

[Savak]

Glad to see Aman admit to the patheticness of the NZ team.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

On a per capita basis you've achieved a lot. There's no way you can compete with England and Australia. NZ in cricket is like Israel in geopolitics.

 

[Aman]

On a per capita basis you've achieved a lot. There's no way you can compete with England and Australia. NZ in cricket is like Israel in geopolitics.

That means nothing.

Pakistan, WI and SL have had weaker teams than us and all of them have still managed to win ICC trophies.

Our "greatest" cannot do anything.

 

[Aman]

We can produce rugby players who can pull off incredible feats like this but no cricketers who can win big matches and series.

 

[Syed1]

NZC will start to achieve when the general population loses the mentality of "it's just a game" and use cricket as a picnic in the sun and quality family time.

You guys lack passion.

 

[troodon]

A team with the likes of explosive players like Guptil, Munro, De Grandhome and Boult with the ball is a pretty dangerous side.

Have to agree that Kane is a choker. He is so talented and yet fails on big occasions.

If NZ are to win an ICC trophy then Kane Williamson should reinvent himself. He should at least bat like Joe root and hit run a ball 50’s.

Ross Taylor is another big choker.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

That means nothing.

Pakistan, WI and SL have had weaker teams than us and all of them have still managed to win ICC trophies.

Our "greatest" cannot do anything.

Firstly I wouldn't really count world T20s. Pak has a much larger talent pool than NZ its not really a fair comparison. The two countries that you can compare with are WI and ZIM, based on population. Windies have achieved but you also have remember that 80% of their players have been Blacks who are descended from slaves that were basically genetically engineered for plantation work. Thats why 90% of basketball players come from the 12% of the American population that is black yet Africa has produced no more NBAers than Europe. Bangladesh comparing themselves to India makes more sense than NZ comparing with PAK based purely on metrics.

 

[Kashmirilion]

Because NZ play most of their cricket in parks. when you enter actual cricket stadiums you get exposed lol. Jokes aside I think New Zealand cricket has overachieved if anything and if you had more people interested in cricket, you would be a force to be reckoned with, it's astonishing with a population less then most Pakistani city's how much NZ have achieved.

 

[big_gamer007]

No offence but you guys are over achieving. with a population of 4mill you guys have always been a near top team that is excellent stuff and countries like India and Pakistan should learn from NZ how to play sports..

 

[jaf348]

NZ are a fantastic sporting nation for such a small country. They have the 4th highest Olympic gold medals per capita in the world which is a remarkable statistic.

Had they won the 2015 WC & 2009 CT finals they would have been hailed as the Iceland of cricket which I already think they are somewhat. They have a very respectable record at the ODI WC, far more consistent than certain other powerhouses.

1992 - Semis
1996 - Quarter
1999 - Semis
2003 - 2nd round
2007 - Semis
2011 - Semis
2015 - Runner up

 

[shane]

NZ consistently punches well above its weight. I mean, if you were SA then you could legitimately complain about being cursed.

So they had a bad few T20 games. Who cares? They will still make it to the final.

 

[Aman]

NZ consistently punches well above its weight. I mean, if you were SA then you could legitimately complain about being cursed.

So they had a bad few T20 games. Who cares? They will still make it to the final.

Even if they do, does it make up for crumbling in Australia again? That was the big game for us, even bigger than the Final at Eden Park.

 

[Aman]

I guess this can be added to the evergrowing list of failures.

We now have the record of biggest chase against us.

The T20 version of the 434 game, but unlike SA we don't have any success in Test cricket to fall back on.

 

[Aman]

You'd think there would come a time where we get something, but absolutely nothing.

This sucks so much.

Wouldn't surprise me if we crumble on Sunday again, but what's the point even if we win that we're probably going to mess up in the Final.

Things have to chance, we need a new leader who can bring the best out of this team like McCullum did.

 

[Pakistanian]

They just don't care enough, the population excuse is baloney.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Only way NZ can win a world cup , they have to reach the final somehow and meet SA in the final.

 

[DeadBall]

Dude, your desi emotional genes are kicking in, they have done more than what was ever expected of them.

 

[Mahee]

Step foot in India, they compete and then proceed to throw away a historic series win away.

when did this happen ?

 

[Markhor]

Not sure how this can be placed at NZC's door. I know I like to needle the OP about NZ but I've always thought of NZC as a model professional administration.

Its difficult when you have other high profile competing sports and a smaller population from which to draw upon fresh talent. But NZ's ICC tournament record consistents of several good runs despite not always getting over the line.

Perhaps the captain has found it difficult replacing a charismatic and transformational figure like McCullum. But NZ were unlucky in the last CT with the weather.

He should be given the 2019 WC and then assess from there whether changes are required.

 

[Pakistanian]

They lack the drive and grit to win a championship, one day cricket doesn't matter to them.

Dude, your desi emotional genes are kicking in, they have done more than what was ever expected of them.

People in the west are just as emotional, your comment stems from racist stereotypes of south Asians. Lebron James and Roger Federer have teared up many time for winning title and losing too, so has Ronaldo and John Terry lol. People passionate about something do get emotional, the whole city of philly was just wrecked cause they won the superbowl, the thing is that NZers only feel like that about Rugby, cricket doesn't bring out their passion it's kinda like lacrosse to them - a boring sport.