What makes Pakistan so unique and different from other Muslim countries?

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IF even the Chinese are not safe here in Pakistan, who is?

Because of CPEC and Pakistan’s national interest, the Chinese are the most privileged and protected of all foreigners. Multiple layers of police and specially created army units keep them from harm’s way. Also, they are advised to keep a low profile and minimise contacts with locals, whether in Islamabad or Karachi or anywhere in Balochistan.

But, as this week’s events showed, even these precautions could not protect the Chinese from maddened, religiously charged mobs.

Work at the Dasu hydropower project stopped after a supervisor objected to long prayer breaks taken by workers. For the locals, this was blasphemy. Whisked away by helicopter to a lockup in Abbottabad, this man was luckier than Priyantha Kumara, the Sri Lankan manager of a Sialkot factory. Also accused of blasphemy, he was tortured to death and his corpse burnt by his workers.


Afghanistan excluded, such mediaeval age horrors are unknown in other Muslim-majority countries. Nor is blasphemy busting a national preoccupation elsewhere. Apart from dedicated mountaineers, who in his right mind would want to vacation in a country where the population is ready to burst into flames at the slightest provocation?


Elsewhere, tourists of all nationalities and religions are eagerly solicited and welcomed. The souks of Morocco and Egypt bustle with Americans, Europeans, Russians and Israelis, while Indonesia and Malaysia are popular destinations for Australians. Although UAE is formally under Sharia law, its relaxed social mores encourage people from everywhere to enjoy Dubai’s wonders.
Pakistan is different. Scarcely any foreigner — white, Chinese or African — is visible on the streets or in the bazaars. Enrolment of foreign students in our universities is near zero. Major airports in Pakistan, constructed at enormous cost, are economically unsustainable for want of traffic. They have barely a handful of international flights daily with most passengers being Pakistani workers or expats.

Adding to the general perception of Pakistan as a dangerous place, earlier this week, Sweden announced indefinite closure of its embassy. Not far from it is Denmark’s embassy, car-bombed in 2008. Two other European embassies are said to have also quietly shut down or restricted their operations. Even in normal times, diplomats in Islamabad stay largely within the Red Zone, making only an occasional foray for vacations up north.

We are exceptional in other ways too. Lest memories fade, let’s recall that not only did Osama bin Laden find shelter in Pakistan, he was also hugely popular. According to the 2006 Pew Global Survey, the percentage of Pakistanis who saw bin Laden as a world leader grew from 45 per cent in 2003 to 51pc in 2005. In contrast, an identical questionnaire in Morocco, Turkey, and Lebanon showed his popularity dropping by 20 points.

What makes Pakistan so unique and different from other Muslim countries? To this end, I will make three observations.

First, those who run Pakistan have long assumed that religion alone can stick together Pakistan’s various regions. Maximum amounts of this epoxy must therefore be injected everywhere possible, particularly in education. Although the breakup of 1971 proved plentifully that the glue wasn’t strong enough, they chose to draw exactly the opposite conclusion. To quote Gen Zia-ul-Haq (1981), “Take the Judaism out of Israel and it will fall like a house of cards. Take religion out of Pakistan and make it a secular state, it would collapse.”

Elsewhere, one does not see such nervousness. Turkey? Egypt? Iran? Indonesia? Morocco? Being historically formed nation states, they are comfortable with Islam and do not have existential worries. Their national narratives are free from apocalyptic scenarios of disintegration and destruction.

Second, starting in the 1980s, Pakistan’s generals and clerics became symbiotically linked via the Kashmir jihad. Their so-called military-mullah alliance (MMA) created madressahs that became jihad factories. These eventually spun out of control. The 2007 Lal Masjid insurrection turned Islamabad into a war zone, leaving hundreds dead. It showed how impotent the state had become when confronted by the forces it had nurtured.

That impotence is glaringly evident today as well. Even in heavily policed Islamabad, it is estimated that two out of three mosques and madressahs are built on encroached land. Civic authorities stand helpless before this anarchy, unable to demolish hastily constructed structures. Government attempts to have the same prayer time for all mosques in Islamabad also foundered. Madressah reform is dead in the water. Instead, now that the Single National Curriculum is being implemented, regular schools have been turned into madressahs.


Compare this helplessness with Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iran, or elsewhere. These states tightly regulate where mosques can be built. Even the design and architecture — pleasing aesthetics being mandatory — is specified. More importantly, they spell out what can be said or not said during Friday sermons. This limits hate speech. Hence, there are no lynch mobs and no Mashal Khans or Priyantha Kumaras.

Third, the purist fantasy of a theological state (specifically those of Ziaul Haq’s Nizam-i-Mustafa or Imran Khan’s Riyasat-i-Madina) is very much alive in Pakistan. Why demagogues can profitably use such slogans is easy to see. In a country that is deeply unequal, corrupt and plagued by huge class asymmetry, people yearn for an unblemished past when everything was perfect.

But note! The leaders of autocratic and authoritarian countries like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Morocco, or Turkey are not peddling hype of some imagined past. Instead, Prince Mohammed bin Salman has vowed to transform the hardline kingdom of Saudi Arabia into an open society that empowers citizens and lures investors. While Recep Erdogan may privately ache for restoration of the caliphate abolished by Ataturk in 1924, only 8pc of his supporters want this.

For stability and prosperity, Pakistan will have to shed its illusions and become a normal country. This means that its diverse peoples must be held together consensually through shared needs and interdependence, not through some ideological diktat. The hyper religiosity promoted through state institutions and the toxic education in our schools is not getting us admiration anywhere. Instead, it is producing a wild, uncontrollable population. Even our friends now fear us.

Source: https://www.dawn.com/news/1748962/muslims-arent-this-way-elsewhere
 
This article is written by Pervez Hoodbhoy and it hits the nail in the head regarding why Pakistan is such a radicalised country and why are ordinary Pakistani so willing to burn, shoot and lynch others over religion.
 
Good article. I've seen a lot of Pakistanis online blaming Zia Ul Haq for today's radicalised Pakistani society.
 
Apart from dedicated mountaineers, who in his right mind would want to vacation in a country where the population is ready to burst into flames at the slightest provocation?

How would you take any article seriously when they write such nonsense?
 
Bol News spent the whole month discussing blasphemy, and the punishment for blasphemers and then later concluded through a song that blasphemers should be burnt to death! The whole show lasted 30 days and it was attended by hate preachers where they peddled violence. It is disgusting to see that nobody sees anything wrong with such content on national TV. PEMRA is busy banning intimacy on TV while turning a blind eye to propagation of violence. Sick!
 
Religion, prophets, Blashphemy is all good and dandy.

But the minute you start doing this against the Chinese, you are writing your own death sentence...

Blasphemy or not, Pakistan is definitely going backwards at an alarming rate, well done Zia Ul Hag, hope you are proud looking down from heaven.

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Religion, prophets, Blashphemy is all good and dandy.

But the minute you start doing this against the Chinese, you are writing your own death sentence...

Blasphemy or not, Pakistan is definitely going backwards at an alarming rate, well done Zia Ul Hag, hope you are proud looking down from heaven.

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The Chinese are kicking themselves for being so naive and timid for investing around US$ 50 billion in a country like Pakistan. Hopefully, they will learn their lesson and boycott Pakistan till it fixes its house.
 
The Chinese are kicking themselves for being so naive and timid for investing around US$ 50 billion in a country like Pakistan. Hopefully, they will learn their lesson and boycott Pakistan till it fixes its house.

No way, Chinese wont back out, they invested so much in Pakistan. They will first order their Pakistani juniors to behave and if they don't they will come and kick the living daylights out of the disobedient mullah and let him know who the boss is.
 
Religion, prophets, Blashphemy is all good and dandy.

But the minute you start doing this against the Chinese, you are writing your own death sentence...

Blasphemy or not, Pakistan is definitely going backwards at an alarming rate, well done Zia Ul Hag, hope you are proud looking down from heaven.

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Out of all the devastating issues that has been destroying Pakistan since the last few years, this is the issue that guy is crying over?:facepalm:
 
I will tell you what makes Pakistan different to other Muslim countries.

It's the fact that instead of kowtowing to the BJP killers, this is one country that always highlights the excesses carried out against the Muslims in that country.
 
I will tell you what makes Pakistan different to other Muslim countries.

It's the fact that instead of kowtowing to the BJP killers, this is one country that always highlights the excesses carried out against the Muslims in that country.

Is this a good thing or a bad thing? I’m not so sure any longer..
 
Is this a good thing or a bad thing? I’m not so sure any longer..

How can it be a bad thing? India does the same from it's side with it's constant drone about Pakistani terrorism.

What is needed is some balance from both sides, where it's not only about bad-mouthing, but there should be a view to beneficial cross-border engagement as well. That way when the plight of minorities is brought up it would be seen as genuine concern rather than point scoring.
 
The main difference is that historically politicians have had very little care for the people in Pakistan. Zia himself was an American project that couldn't care less about the impact of his awful decisions.

Old Lib Pakistanis love to put a religious angel to every problem without looking at the source of said problem. The source lives to this day in the form of PDM and the establishment. If they had even a little royalty to this country we wouldn't be in a mess for the nth time.

Want liberalization? Then how about you write word salads about the economy instead and point out the problems and the people that caused them? liberalism is a product of development, not some dumb laws that you cannot even implement because of a lack of resources.

It's been 40 years of the same old same old but it clearly still hasn't computed for some of these old journos. The worst part of these people is that they either have a "neutral" or a positive stance on the trouble causers.
 
I will tell you what makes Pakistan different to other Muslim countries.

It's the fact that instead of kowtowing to the BJP killers, this is one country that always highlights the excesses carried out against the Muslims in that country.

If my kids are starving, are infected with polio and have no access to education, water and health, I would be a fool to care about what is happening several villages away.
 
The unique thing about Pakistan is that while all other Muslim nations are embracing modernism and science, Pakistan is going the other way. In their quest for survival, they sided with the real beast.
 
The unique thing about Pakistan is that while all other Muslim nations are embracing modernism and science, Pakistan is going the other way. In their quest for survival, they sided with the real beast.

Pakistan has embraced modernism and science better than some Muslim nations, and worse than others. It is just trolling to claim that all other Muslim nations are embracing modernism and science in comparison. It is still a third world country however, so they can't spend oil billions like the Saudis or Iranians do on infrastructure.

Only neighbourly countries seem to have adopted the way of the beast by electing religious fundos to power in a shining development over the last couple of decades.
 
If my kids are starving, are infected with polio and have no access to education, water and health, I would be a fool to care about what is happening several villages away.

Are you aware of the term principle?

The Prophet PBUH's grandson lay his life for that term.

You can make a million excuses not to raise your voice for the oppressed but when you can't even do that, what does it say about you?
 
Pakistan has embraced modernism and science better than some Muslim nations, and worse than others. It is just trolling to claim that all other Muslim nations are embracing modernism and science in comparison. It is still a third world country however, so they can't spend oil billions like the Saudis or Iranians do on infrastructure.

Only neighbourly countries seem to have adopted the way of the beast by electing religious fundos to power in a shining development over the last couple of decades.

If you think Pakistan has embraced modernity, then may that continue forever.
 
If you think Pakistan has embraced modernity, then may that continue forever.

I said better than some Muslim countries, and worse than others. At least read posts properly before spewing out ill-considered responses.
 
I will tell you what makes Pakistan different to other Muslim countries.

It's the fact that instead of kowtowing to the BJP killers, this is one country that always highlights the excesses carried out against the Muslims in that country.

It has nothing to do with Muslims but with India. Else pakistan speaks nothing about Xinjiang.
 
I said better than some Muslim countries, and worse than others. At least read posts properly before spewing out ill-considered responses.

They may not be doing the best, but if they are doing better than some countries, they are still on the right path. So may it continue. Change is a slow process.
 
China doesn’t even let Muslims celebrate Ramadan and ban basic things like fasting etc

Terrorist groups from Afghanistan and probably Iran bomb schools with little children, kill people praying in a mosque, attack police and army folks in Pakistan .

USA with help from UK etc has attacked Iraq and Afghanistan: 2 Islamic countries while Pakistan was an ally in the war on terror

On top of that own countrymen Hindus etc have it way worse than the minorities in India.

Muslims in India have way more opportunities and a better standard of living than any of the neighboring Islamic countries.

Yet it is all about principle to take a stand about India and maybe Israel even though most Pakistanis cannot locate it on a map.

Answers a lot of questions and raises more questions too.
 
It has nothing to do with Muslims but with India. Else pakistan speaks nothing about Xinjiang.

Once again.

As Pakistani Muslims we have a greater affinity to Indian Muslims purely because of the cultural and historical ties. It is natural that we will be more interested in that way.
 
Once again.

As Pakistani Muslims we have a greater affinity to Indian Muslims purely because of the cultural and historical ties. It is natural that we will be more interested in that way.

May I ask the what’s the cultural affinity with Palestinians?
 
May I ask the what’s the cultural affinity with Palestinians?

Stupid comment, support for Palestinians goes way beyond cultural affinity. You will find they have support all around the world, not just from Muslim nations.
 
Once again.

As Pakistani Muslims we have a greater affinity to Indian Muslims purely because of the cultural and historical ties. It is natural that we will be more interested in that way.

Or maybe the enemity with Indian state is historical hence more interested in that.
 
Once again.

As Pakistani Muslims we have a greater affinity to Indian Muslims purely because of the cultural and historical ties. It is natural that we will be more interested in that way.

Other than religion, Pakistan has nothing in common with Indian Muslims. Even among North Indian Muslims from UP & Bihar, only Muhajirs have the cultural and linguistic ties.

A Punjabi or Sindhi or Pathan has nothing to do with Indian Muslims.
 
Well Pakistan is an Islamic republic that follows a diverse range of Islamic traditions which may not any other Islamic country follows but Sometimes it can also be a source of trouble.
 
Any form of extremism is dangerous and religious extremism even more so than others.

You can draw parallels in India too as a multi-cultural society. Parts of India are on a rapid growth while others struggle. One of the major factor for this I feel is the ‘collective identity’.

Come down south India and ask anyone what is your identity and ‘religious identity’ ranks very low on this. While in regions which are heavily influenced by religious brainwashing, you’d find the opposite.

Because, here people have focused on more important things such as food, shelter, education, growth compared to being ‘protectors of religion’.

You may think that most of the Hindus are less pious towards their religion but it has to do more with the core belief system. For many Hindus, following religion and being pious is to following its philosophy of ‘Dharma’. We do what is right and find our spiritual enlightenment which is the way shown by our Gods. So, very few people ‘identify’ themselves as protectors or religion.

Hence, it has been much more smoother process to focus on growth even we were behind the curve being a 3rd world nation (which is frequently mentioned here as a jibe against India).

Whats is see different with developed vs underdeveloped nations is this ‘collective identity’. Pakistan is moving closer and closer towards being focussed as ‘protector of religion’ which will only lead to less focus on other important things.

While one can argue with growth of this ‘religious identity’ taking centre stage in India, there is a limit to this being a political too as
1. Hinduism is not based on indoctrinated teachings but more on philosophical teachings which makes it difficult for bigots to swing the population towards them.
2. Multi-culturalism in India is a boon on this aspect. It vastly differs on how people across India follow Hindu religion

May be its time for Pakistan to question their ‘collective identity’ as a nation. Putting their priorities doesn't mean nit following their religion. Rather putting their duties first as a human and as a citizen
 
Pakistan is unique because it has many different cultures and languages. It’s also known for its unique food, which is influenced by nearby countries, and its lively poetry culture (I don't know if you like poetry or not but yes)
 
Extreme levels of corruption and after that defending their leader by saying 'Agar khata hai to lagaata bhi hai' makes Pakistan so unique.
 
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