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What makes people think that Mohammad Amir was dropped?

Junaids

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I'm a little bit baffled by the talk of what Amir has to do to get back into the team, or whether he should be recalled for South Africa.

It seems to me that what we have seen of Mohammad Amir since his return is as follows:

1. He probably wasn't really 18 when he was banned eight years ago - he seems to be around 28 now, not 26.

2. He remains an excellent Test bowler on green wickets or when there is conventional swing.

3. In his last 3 Test matches he took 12 wickets at an average of 18.42, and he outbowled Mohammad Abbas, with figures of 10-5-9-2, 29.2-9-63-3, 14-3-41-1, 18.1-3-36-4 and 23-5-72-2.

4. He is too short and too slow (in Tests) to be likely to succeed in the UAE, where he would only accelerate the wearing out of his body for very limited returns.

5. He is actually a better batsman than we expected: he outbatted Misbah-ul-Haq on a full tour of Australia, which should stand him in good stead in South Africa. He averaged 19.66 with the bat in Australia and 44.00 in England.

6. Since returning to domestic cricket in October, his First Class bowling record is:

5-44 and 2-34
2-47 and 4-40
2-62 and 5-55
3-31

That makes 23 wickets in 7 innings at an average of 13.61.

So it strikes me that the best thing that Pakistan can do with Mohammad Amir is to use him on away Test tours to Australia, England, New Zealand, Sri Lanka and South Africa only and not in any UAE Test series. And then use him in major 20 and 50 overs tournaments only.

That way the wear and tear on his body is kept as slow as possible, and he is reserved for favourable conditions.

But hold on, what has Mickey Arthur had to say about this?

Well, last June this is what he told [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] in "The Cricket Paper":

"I'm going to sit with Mohammad Amir and Inzamam-ul-Haq soon and we are going to map out a future for him". The interview was reported in "Sport360" under the headline "Pakistan to manage Mohammad Amir's workload in lead up to 2019 World Cup".

https://sport360.com/article/cricke...irs-workload-in-lead-up-to-the-2019-world-cup

It strikes me that Mickey Arthur has just done exactly what he said he'd do - rest Mohammad Amir from playing in unfavourable conditions in the UAE to save him for series in conditions where he is more likely to succeed.

Obviously in Pakistan you can still earn credit by making it look like you are punishing the former spot-fixers. And Mickey would be a fool not to take advantage of that.

But it strikes me that Mohammad Amir is the key member of the Test team in South Africa, with a crucial role at Number 9 (hopefully to score 35 and lift 180-7 into 280 all out) and being part of a 4-pronged pace attack looking something like this:

Mohammad Abbas
Mohammad Amir
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Faheem Ashraf
 
He was never dropped

The next time I want to see Amir is in the 5 match ODI series against England. Maybe even in the last 3 ODIs in that
 
He may have been rested for the UAE Test series, but if it wasn’t for his poor form, he would have played some part in the Limited Overs series against Australia and New Zealand.

Missing ODIs and T20Is is not part of his so-called workload management.
 
I think most people here are expecting him to return for SA series. Recently, he has been solid in Tests and T20Is, it's in ODIs where he has struggled. It didn't really make sense to drop him from T20Is and Test for his ODI performance. I will be shocked if he isn't selected for our overseas series.
 
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Excellent analysis. It seems like he was always going to be picked for SA tour.
 
Amir is 30 now. I have spoken to people who went to school with him and they are all either 30 or 31.
 
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Amir is 30 now. I have spoken to people who went to school with him and they are all either 30 or 31.

And that opens up a whole new can of worms.

I have heard the same thing too about his age, and it makes sense.

But he served his jail time in a youth institution and he alone was given a second national team career on the basis that when he offended he was just a kid. But of course now it appears that he was possibly actually 22.

Regardless of that, a 30 year old who bowls at 135K in Tests from a height of 5'11 is basically too slow and too short to be worth wearing out in Asian conditions. We saw Vernon Philander suffer a career threatening injury on a tour of India where his own height and low speed had led to him becoming virtually a specialist batsman.

I see Mohammad Amir's future career like this.

1. He will be a white ball player who is mainly used for ODI's in World Cup years, like Trent Boult. No point wearing him out in meaningless bilateral series.

2. With the red ball, he becomes a swing equivalent of what Mitchell Johnson was with express pace. That is to say, only worth using as a specialist bowler in favourable bowling conditions (Dukes ball in England and the West Indies), in which he might be devastating. But also worth using in Australia, New Zealand and South Africa as a third seamer who can bat.
 
I think he was dropped from the LO team. He has played against Zimbabwe B despite being not being effective. I think for tests he was rested , wouldn't have been useful on UAE pitches and he wanted to manage his work load for the WC.
 
Interesting. What is his average in favourable conditions post come back?

In England 2016: 12 wickets for 509 at 42.41 (with 5 dropped catches)
In NZ 2016-17: 7 wickets for 200 runs at 28.57
In Australia, 2016-17: 5 wickets for 308 at 61.60 (with 6 dropped catches)
In West Indies 2016-17: 13 wickets for 227 runs at 17.46
In England and Ireland 2018: 12 wickets for 221 runs at 18.41

Overall outside Asia since his return:
49 wickets for 1465 runs at an average of 29.90.


Amir's problem, as we all knew, has come in Tests in Asia. His record since his return is:

2016-17, v West Indies in UAE: 6 wickets for 231 runs at 38.50.
2017-18, v Sri Lanka in UAE: 1 wicket for 164 at 164.00.

Overall record in UAE since his return: 7 wickets for 395 runs at 56.43.

There's no point playing him in the UAE. He's too short, too slow and gets normal swing rather than reverse.

That's okay - Josh Hazlewood is a really good bowler, but you wouldn't pick him there either.
 
Good post. I think everyone expects him to play a part during our next overseas assignment. Amir only playing overseas bilaterals and major ODI tournaments would suit everyone just fine. However, the worry is that this becomes the standard workload for all the pace bowlers from Pakistan.

One does not expect Mohammad Abbas to make such demands given his modest nature and temperament but what about Hasan Ali and Shaheen Afridi? Why would they toil away in the UAE where a few bad innings could lead them to be dropped for a tour of England where Amir is a guaranteed starter no matter what?
 
Good post. I think everyone expects him to play a part during our next overseas assignment. Amir only playing overseas bilaterals and major ODI tournaments would suit everyone just fine. However, the worry is that this becomes the standard workload for all the pace bowlers from Pakistan.

One does not expect Mohammad Abbas to make such demands given his modest nature and temperament but what about Hasan Ali and Shaheen Afridi? Why would they toil away in the UAE where a few bad innings could lead them to be dropped for a tour of England where Amir is a guaranteed starter no matter what?
Excellent question.

I think that the UAE is the wrong venue for hosting anybody apart from India and Australia.

The cricket is boring, the costs are excessive and the crowds are non-existent.

I don't like the fact that Shaheen Shah Afridi is going to play the Third Test - it risks damaging a young body on a flat deck with excessively hard ground to run in to bowl on.
 
In England 2016: 12 wickets for 509 at 42.41 (with 5 dropped catches)
In NZ 2016-17: 7 wickets for 200 runs at 28.57
In Australia, 2016-17: 5 wickets for 308 at 61.60 (with 6 dropped catches)
In West Indies 2016-17: 13 wickets for 227 runs at 17.46
In England and Ireland 2018: 12 wickets for 221 runs at 18.41

Overall outside Asia since his return:
49 wickets for 1465 runs at an average of 29.90.


Amir's problem, as we all knew, has come in Tests in Asia. His record since his return is:

2016-17, v West Indies in UAE: 6 wickets for 231 runs at 38.50.
2017-18, v Sri Lanka in UAE: 1 wicket for 164 at 164.00.

Overall record in UAE since his return: 7 wickets for 395 runs at 56.43.

There's no point playing him in the UAE. He's too short, too slow and gets normal swing rather than reverse.

That's okay - Josh Hazlewood is a really good bowler, but you wouldn't pick him there either.

So he’s been pathetic in Australia. Okish in NZ and England, and excellent in WI.

So that leaves only WI and Ireland as sure shot for Amir.

Fight for spot in England (would like to know his come back stats minus Ireland) and NZ.

And he should set a foot in Asia and Australia.

Looks like Amir is the quintessential Mohammad Hafeez of Pakistan bowling. Cannot bowl in more than 2/3 countries.
And just like Hafeez skips England only to return in UAE, Amir skips UAE only to return in WI.
 
So basically amir has been failing everywhere except for minnow lands WI and Ireland , it was really expected from me the way he way bowling. He doesn't attack the stumps or look like setting anyone up. Is not a sure starter anywhere for me in tests should be told to retire from tests and he can do something useful in odis
 
So he’s been pathetic in Australia. Okish in NZ and England, and excellent in WI.

So that leaves only WI and Ireland as sure shot for Amir.

Fight for spot in England (would like to know his come back stats minus Ireland) and NZ.

And he should set a foot in Asia and Australia.

Looks like Amir is the quintessential Mohammad Hafeez of Pakistan bowling. Cannot bowl in more than 2/3 countries.
And just like Hafeez skips England only to return in UAE, Amir skips UAE only to return in WI.

So basically amir has been failing everywhere except for minnow lands WI and Ireland , it was really expected from me the way he way bowling. He doesn't attack the stumps or look like setting anyone up. Is not a sure starter anywhere for me in tests should be told to retire from tests and he can do something useful in odis
Extraordinary conclusions!

Even in Australia if the fielders had done their job and taken the catches his bowling average would have been 28.

In Australia and South Africa people don’t get out LBW or Bowled. The fielders need to take their catches. Amir didn’t fail - the fielders did!

Bear in mind too that Misbah insisted on going into Tests outside Asia with only three quicks. That meant that the pace bowlers had to bowl longer spells and with shorter gaps between overs while Yasir Shah bowled defensive leg-side filth at the other end.
 
Yup, I too think he wasn't dropped. He was actually given what he wanted, 'Rest'.

In Last 12 months or so he was brilliant with the ball in both Tests and T20Is.

Tests: Avg 18.41 Eco 2.33
T20Is: Avg 12.77 Eco 6.21

He was only poor in ODIs but still had good economy rates.

He was good with the bat too in both Tests and ODIs.

Karachi Kings owner also when asked about this, told media that he was actually being given rest and as Mickey Arthur is coach of KK he would have been informed by him.
 
I seriously think he is done and dusted. Most overrated bowler in this forum. What he did 5 -6 years ago on that merit alone he can't be selected. He should retire and stop occupying a spot and be selfish :sachin
 
Obviously in Pakistan you can still earn credit by making it look like you are punishing the former spot-fixers. And Mickey would be a fool not to take advantage of that.

This is a really silly comment.

Amir has been backed to the hilt since his comeback.

Him not playing in the UAE has absolutely nothing to do with trying to get cred by dropping the former spot fixer.
 
Why don't you go by what Mickey Arthur has said recently about Amir:

"Mohammad Amir knows what he needs to do to get back into international cricket. I regularly speak to Amir and his coach in the domestic side who has done some good work with him. What he is doing now is following up on information that Azhar Mahmood and I have sent through to him. We monitor Amir’s progress which includes looking at his recent videos from domestic games. Every time he bowls, we look at the videos and send our comments back to him. Let’s be clear about the fact that Mohammad Amir is a quality bowler, he has big-match temperament and I am hoping that we can have Mohammad Amir back in the fold, sooner rather than later provided he gives us the ammunition to pick him. It's runs for batsmen which is the criteria for selection and similarly, it’s wickets for bowlers which are important. If we can get Mohammad Amir swinging the ball again, getting though his action and be very comfortable with the hunger and desire to win games for Pakistan, then Mohammad Amir has a big future with the side."

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...into-international-cricket-quot-Mickey-Arthur

There's no need to try to formulate a theory. You can straight up read what he thinks about Amir and his place in the side.
 
Why don't you go by what Mickey Arthur has said recently about Amir:

"Mohammad Amir knows what he needs to do to get back into international cricket. I regularly speak to Amir and his coach in the domestic side who has done some good work with him. What he is doing now is following up on information that Azhar Mahmood and I have sent through to him. We monitor Amir’s progress which includes looking at his recent videos from domestic games. Every time he bowls, we look at the videos and send our comments back to him. Let’s be clear about the fact that Mohammad Amir is a quality bowler, he has big-match temperament and I am hoping that we can have Mohammad Amir back in the fold, sooner rather than later provided he gives us the ammunition to pick him. It's runs for batsmen which is the criteria for selection and similarly, it’s wickets for bowlers which are important. If we can get Mohammad Amir swinging the ball again, getting though his action and be very comfortable with the hunger and desire to win games for Pakistan, then Mohammad Amir has a big future with the side."

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...into-international-cricket-quot-Mickey-Arthur

There's no need to try to formulate a theory. You can straight up read what he thinks about Amir and his place in the side.

He rates Amir and just wants him to be swinging the ball again. Plain and simple.

The reason he will be back for the SA tour, especially if Abbas doesn't make it.
 
The Ashwin equivalent of fast bowling.

Can only thrive in friendly conditions. Is a sitting duck everywhere else.
 
I have never seen more excuses made to justify the incompetence of any other Cricketer than Amir.
 
Yep.

Good post, a nightmare one for Amir haters though. Watch them flock to this thread in numbers now.

Amir is our best fast bowler, undoubtedly. The most skilled one as well.

Will be back in our tough away tours.
 
I dont know why you guys are hung up on this average bowler when you have the amazing Abbas, Afridi and Yasir doing so well
 
Amir was never dropped. He was given rest and his workload is being managed which is good. A fresh and hungry Amir can win us the WC.
 
Good analysis. His record in Tests and ODI in UAE is not good. So it makes sense playing him in the rest of games.
 
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