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I genuinely have a question about the merits of this guy?

First of all, when it comes to the nepotism factor, he seems to be supported more then any other player in the history of Pakistan cricket.

Yes Pakistan has had nepotistic selections in the past such as Muhammad rizwan, Chacha, Imam ul Haq, Abdullah Shafique Asad Shafiq(For odi), Ahmed Shehzad, Muhammad irfan, Imran Farhat and many other undeserving players who never warranted selection in the first place, But they all did something to warrant a spit for some time

For example all of them have had match winning moments and some achievements that you may consider as some sort of justification to keep them in the squad. But Shan Masood has none?

He has no match winning innings, no notable performances in any format, no notable domestic performances as he had a poor local domestic tournament, A history of poor PSL and anytime I've seen this lad in county he's been terrible.

And yet he gets made captain and keeps coming back into the squad one way or another?

He's arguably the biggest Ladla of the PCB, despite having virtually zero arguments to have him even being a reserve member let alone in the playing 11.

To top it off, he's the pakistani captain in history to not have any wins in test cricket?(Not counting Rizwan, Malik, Afridi, Asif Iqbal and others as they didn't captain for long and only had one offs at most), And even if you wish to count them, None of these guys lost 5 games in a row.

So genuinely what's the deal with him? I'm fully aware of his father's connections and have done a deep dive into it, but still? Can pcb really be that stupid?

The goal of the organisation is to turn pakistan into a competitive cricketing nation, so even with nepotism included, I fail to see what they see in Shan as a leader and batsmen? What's the plan and direction with him?

A) He's 34 so age isn't on his side.

B) He's the worst Opener/top order test batter to ever represent the game for pakistan after a set number of innings.

C) He has a winless test captaincy record

D) Every year I see him in psl or local one day cups or fc cups or county, I see him performing poorly making his 50+ avg in List A a greater mystery then the Egyptian Pyramids?
 
I've been wanting to rant about Shan for a while now, the only argument people had such as his educational profiency and his good spokesmen skills within the English language and sharp fielding antics all went down the drain when

A) He ran away like a coward and had Sarfraz Captain and make onfield decisons during the 2nd test against Bangladesh after having God awful and clueless field selections.

B) Fought tooth and nail with the umpire in the 1st test against Bangladesh showcasing his so called behaviour issues which no captain, not even sarfraz or Younis Khan have been able to achieve said aggression. To top it off he issued the same nonsense during the PSL

C) His inclusion effectively means pakistan is playing with am extra tailender.
 
Shan Masood is fighting a battle of survival like Sarfaraz. The day he would lose captaincy, the day he would be excluded from the squad.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Shan Masood is fighting a battle of survival like Sarfaraz. The day he would lose captaincy, the day he would be excluded from the squad.
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Maybe this England series would be the last one for him as a captain.. if he still desnt perform then "Khatam... Bye Bye... Ta Ta... Good bye... Gya "
 
Jason Gillespie likes Shan. He requested PCB not to change the captain or the squad at this point in time.
 
Shaan has had a great reprieve. He will be against an English team lacking quality in bowling and suspect batting lineup that can collapse. Let's hope he takes this opportunity
 
Bewal Express said:
Shaan has had a great reprieve. He will be against an English team lacking quality in bowling and suspect batting lineup that can collapse. Let's hope he takes this opportunity
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He can't even attack much weaker bowlers in the local cup? Even in that tournament, his ceiling is 50 if the pacers are medicore because he'll last long enough until spin comes into play where he'll be dismissed or if the pacers are half decent he'll get out
 
Shan's captaincy got exposed against Bangladesh. His scores of 30's and 40's were okay provided he compensated with his captaincy but he was not able to do that either. He let Bangladesh off the hook twice with his poor defensive captaincy
 
mominsaigol said:
He can't even attack much weaker bowlers in the local cup? Even in that tournament, his ceiling is 50 if the pacers are medicore because he'll last long enough until spin comes into play where he'll be dismissed or if the pacers are half decent he'll get out
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He isnt a bad player but his statistics are terrible. He always threatens scores but rarely delivers. A career defining series for him
 
Bewal Express said:
Shaan has had a great reprieve. He will be against an English team lacking quality in bowling and suspect batting lineup that can collapse. Let's hope he takes this opportunity
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This English bowling lineup is definitely better than the one that toured last time. Olly Stone, Atkinson, Wood, Stokes, Bashir and Ahmed is a respectable bowling attack.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
This English bowling lineup is definitely better than the one that toured last time. Olly Stone, Atkinson, Wood, Stokes, Bashir and Ahmed is a respectable bowling attack.
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There is no wood

Shoaib Bashir is going to get smashed

Jack Leach and Rehan will be threats
 
None of the others you mentioned were nepotistic selections. All earnt their place through domestic, and in imam’s case U19 level. It was always expected imam would debut, just like Sami aslam due to u19 exploits. It’s just imam scored a century on debut and just performed from there despite a lower SR. Farhat was arguably selected and brought back due to nepotism, but he was arguably the best domestic opener in his time for Pakistan. Asad had one of the best list a records at the time and people were screaming for him to be selected. Same with Shehzad, he was the next big thing, performing well at a young age in domestic. Iftikhar has always done well in domestic cricket. Abdullah Shafique was hallmarked as a future talent, having a gold contract with Multan sultans despite never even playing a game yet. And Rizwan was performing in domestic before getting a call up with significant improvement in his keeping. These were all names that fans clamoured needed to enter the side as some point. So they can’t be called nepotism.

Masood is a different story. When he debuted, very few knew who he was or demanded him to be in the side. He came from nowhere. He didn’t have a great domestic record either when debuting, which made a lot of fans question if his inclusion was fair. Wasn’t hyped at a young age. He improved his domestic record particularly list an after his debut. Got back recalls and preferred to the two openers hyped from u19, imam and Sami aslam. You just can’t compare him with other players even on his entry and debut to cricket. It’s not the same. The others earnt their debut and initial chances far more.

What is impressive about Masood is his dedication to fitness, his improvement in domestic (given he started from very low) and I guess he speaks good English. He’s considered a hard worker, and you can see multiple times he’s tried to change and adapt his game. This in comparison to Babar for example who doesn’t adapt or try new things much (and to some people he doesn’t need to). But again this is a representation of someone with low talent. He has to work hard, maximise fitness, try everything and anything to try to succeed.

It’s a shame because his other qualities would make for a good captain. Which is why coaches like him. But lack of performances means he will never properly lead that team. I doubt the team deep down truly respects him. He went to Sarfraz because he’d run out of ideas, they were going to lose and he might as well try anything. I don’t think that’s cowardice really, if anything it showed humility and perhaps poor confidence in his ability. Which is understandable, he’s got to be internally questioning himself when he’s the worse player on the pitch. I think even his mistakes in captaincy have come from trying too hard to try to prove some sort of worth because it doesn’t come naturally as a player.

This is why it’s so important for a captain to lead through performance. Even if you were tactically brilliant which Shan isn’t, but he is probably better than Babar, I still think it won’t work as you still don’t inspire your team and get them to respect you.
 
Shan needs to go. This is beyond understanding that a guy averaging 28 in international cricket after 35 test matches is being made the captain just because he is a better communicator than others.

Is this the criteria now to get into the team and be a captain???

How long will it take to realise that Shan is a nothing player and he is not improving any thing.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Shan needs to go. This is beyond understanding that a guy averaging 28 in international cricket after 35 test matches is being made the captain just because he is a better communicator than others.

Is this the criteria now to get into the team and be a captain???

How long will it take to realise that Shan is a nothing player and he is not improving any thing.
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Gotta get that English degree
 
ads101 said:
None of the others you mentioned were nepotistic selections. All earnt their place through domestic, and in imam’s case U19 level. It was always expected imam would debut, just like Sami aslam due to u19 exploits. It’s just imam scored a century on debut and just performed from there despite a lower SR. Farhat was arguably selected and brought back due to nepotism, but he was arguably the best domestic opener in his time for Pakistan. Asad had one of the best list a records at the time and people were screaming for him to be selected. Same with Shehzad, he was the next big thing, performing well at a young age in domestic. Iftikhar has always done well in domestic cricket. Abdullah Shafique was hallmarked as a future talent, having a gold contract with Multan sultans despite never even playing a game yet. And Rizwan was performing in domestic before getting a call up with significant improvement in his keeping. These were all names that fans clamoured needed to enter the side as some point. So they can’t be called nepotism.

Masood is a different story. When he debuted, very few knew who he was or demanded him to be in the side. He came from nowhere. He didn’t have a great domestic record either when debuting, which made a lot of fans question if his inclusion was fair. Wasn’t hyped at a young age. He improved his domestic record particularly list an after his debut. Got back recalls and preferred to the two openers hyped from u19, imam and Sami aslam. You just can’t compare him with other players even on his entry and debut to cricket. It’s not the same. The others earnt their debut and initial chances far more.

What is impressive about Masood is his dedication to fitness, his improvement in domestic (given he started from very low) and I guess he speaks good English. He’s considered a hard worker, and you can see multiple times he’s tried to change and adapt his game. This in comparison to Babar for example who doesn’t adapt or try new things much (and to some people he doesn’t need to). But again this is a representation of someone with low talent. He has to work hard, maximise fitness, try everything and anything to try to succeed.

It’s a shame because his other qualities would make for a good captain. Which is why coaches like him. But lack of performances means he will never properly lead that team. I doubt the team deep down truly respects him. He went to Sarfraz because he’d run out of ideas, they were going to lose and he might as well try anything. I don’t think that’s cowardice really, if anything it showed humility and perhaps poor confidence in his ability. Which is understandable, he’s got to be internally questioning himself when he’s the worse player on the pitch. I think even his mistakes in captaincy have come from trying too hard to try to prove some sort of worth because it doesn’t come naturally as a player.

This is why it’s so important for a captain to lead through performance. Even if you were tactically brilliant which Shan isn’t, but he is probably better than Babar, I still think it won’t work as you still don’t inspire your team and get them to respect you.
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This is where you're wrong.

Imam made his debut much much much earlier then anticipated in 2018 despite Inzi who was the selector at that time constantly saying that Imam wouldn't as he wasnt ready only to backtrack. Credit to Imam for making use of his opportunity, but even after poor form he continues to stay in some shape or form like a leech. If this was someone like Kamran Ghulam or Tayyab tahir, They'd get the boot and would never been seen in international cricket again due to poor form and zero connections.

Farhat faiked once, He was brought back due to nepotism, You answered your own question.

It doesn't matter. Asad shafiq has the worst record at no 3 of any pakistani top order batter in history. Any other side like England even during its 2013 dark days would have demanded Asad shafique to be axed because he doesn't add anything in terms of SR or Avg and is a walking wicket. It's only due to Misbah connections that he got a free ride.

Again doesn't matter, it became clear as day that shehzad was a done case but was backed by afridi to stay whereas any other team would have kicked him out long ago.

Abdullah shafique was called up because of Babar azam liking the kid and liking the technique, he had only 7 List A's to his name yet was expected to OPEN FOR PAKISTAN IN A WORLD CUP? Anywhere else in the world the idea of doing so would be seen ludicrous. Australia didn't even do that with jake fraser and India even dropped Gill for 2024 due to poor form despite the fact that these 2 have more talent in their pinky finger them Abdullah shafique can possibly muster

Again it doesn't matter, Rizwan averaged 11 in 2015, despite this and that sarfi was vc at the time, Rizwan still got favoured by afridi for the t20 series in 2016 where rizzu failed yet again, Afterwards rizwan got called up again for the tri series and botched no 4 in comparison to fakhar who scored 2 brilliant half centuries against full strength Australia to get that no 1 rank, Then in 2019 he finally made use of his opportunity and scored 2 double hundreds and got his call up but failed again in 2020, Misbah thanks to SNGPL connections saved rizwan's career while destroying fakhar and sarfi in the process, Rizwan was flunking in domestic as well before Misbah promoted him as a SNGPL opener.

Anywhere else in the world, Infran farhat would have stayed dropped, asad shafiq would not have played for more then a year after such a garbage performance let alone over 60 games, Abdullah shafique would not be opening in a world cup with only 7 List A games, Rizwan wouldn't have made it past 2018.

All of these are nepo backings which someone more talented like Mukhtar Ahmed never got.
 
mominsaigol said:
This is where you're wrong.

Imam made his debut much much much earlier then anticipated in 2018 despite Inzi who was the selector at that time constantly saying that Imam wouldn't as he wasnt ready only to backtrack. Credit to Imam for making use of his opportunity, but even after poor form he continues to stay in some shape or form like a leech. If this was someone like Kamran Ghulam or Tayyab tahir, They'd get the boot and would never been seen in international cricket again due to poor form and zero connections.

Farhat faiked once, He was brought back due to nepotism, You answered your own question.

It doesn't matter. Asad shafiq has the worst record at no 3 of any pakistani top order batter in history. Any other side like England even during its 2013 dark days would have demanded Asad shafique to be axed because he doesn't add anything in terms of SR or Avg and is a walking wicket. It's only due to Misbah connections that he got a free ride.

Again doesn't matter, it became clear as day that shehzad was a done case but was backed by afridi to stay whereas any other team would have kicked him out long ago.

Abdullah shafique was called up because of Babar azam liking the kid and liking the technique, he had only 7 List A's to his name yet was expected to OPEN FOR PAKISTAN IN A WORLD CUP? Anywhere else in the world the idea of doing so would be seen ludicrous. Australia didn't even do that with jake fraser and India even dropped Gill for 2024 due to poor form despite the fact that these 2 have more talent in their pinky finger them Abdullah shafique can possibly muster

Again it doesn't matter, Rizwan averaged 11 in 2015, despite this and that sarfi was vc at the time, Rizwan still got favoured by afridi for the t20 series in 2016 where rizzu failed yet again, Afterwards rizwan got called up again for the tri series and botched no 4 in comparison to fakhar who scored 2 brilliant half centuries against full strength Australia to get that no 1 rank, Then in 2019 he finally made use of his opportunity and scored 2 double hundreds and got his call up but failed again in 2020, Misbah thanks to SNGPL connections saved rizwan's career while destroying fakhar and sarfi in the process, Rizwan was flunking in domestic as well before Misbah promoted him as a SNGPL opener.

Anywhere else in the world, Infran farhat would have stayed dropped, asad shafiq would not have played for more then a year after such a garbage performance let alone over 60 games, Abdullah shafique would not be opening in a world cup with only 7 List A games, Rizwan wouldn't have made it past 2018.

All of these are nepo backings which someone more talented like Mukhtar Ahmed never got.
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These are your opinions. That isn’t nepotism. There were fans and coaches who wanted these players in at the time for cricketing reasons. All those guys performed at domestic level or youth/u19 level to get the attention of fans and coaches. Whether it was early or not doesn’t matter, we have debuted plenty of cricketers too early. Even the way that you admit a lot of these guys performed after getting “unjustly” picked suggests it isn’t nepotism. Guys picking them predicted they would perform. You can’t just throw around the nepotism tag like that.

Farhat and Masood were the noticeable cases. And it’s not coincidence that the relations being claimed as enabling this nepotism were not coaches or captains. But at least farhat outperformed mostly the other openers in domestic in an era where opening options were bad. Masood didn’t even do that before debut.
 
Best case he leads us to series wins against England and Windies, retires, then takes up a role as a commentator or coach.

Worst cast he leads us to series losses against those sides, is sacked, then takes up a role as a commentator or coach.

He is not the best cricketer at county level but has connections (not just in Pakistan), is affable and despite his limited performance knows about cricket.

He will be fine.
 
Savak said:
Jason Gillespie likes Shan. He requested PCB not to change the captain or the squad at this point in time.
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There is a reason why Mickey was fond of him too.

He is a cut above the rest of our players with the way he conducts himself.

That could be down to his privileged upbringing for sure.

But he stands out when in a room with the rest of our players.
 
It’s a simple answer.

“Wait and let’s pretend everyone’s forgotten what happened”.

This applies to all our failures.
 
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Everything about him projects mediocrity.

His batting on face value (eye test), his stats, his body language, his facial expressions.

People rave about his fitness but all I see is a malnourished man with no muscles and zero power game.

As far as his communication is concerned, he comments are daft as anything but he gets away with it because of English.

He is one of the - if not the biggest - failure in Pakistan cricket history. A lot of people compare him to Ramiz and whilst there are some similarities, Ramiz has played some knocks that Masood can’t even dream of.

A completely rubbish cricketer in every aspect.
 
Mamoon said:
Everything about him projects mediocrity.

His batting on face value (eye test), his stats, his body language, his facial expressions.

People rave about his fitness but all I see is a malnourished man with no muscles and zero power game.

As far as his communication is concerned, he comments are daft as anything but he gets away with it because of English.

He is one of the - if not the biggest - failure in Pakistan cricket history. A lot of people compare him to Ramiz and whilst there are some similarities, Ramiz has played some knocks that Masood can’t even dream of.

A completely rubbish cricketer in every aspect.
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Glad we atleast agree on Shan Masood even if we disagree on everything else.

Shan is rubbish, calling him mediocre is honestly a compliment.
 
ads101 said:
These are your opinions. That isn’t nepotism. There were fans and coaches who wanted these players in at the time for cricketing reasons. All those guys performed at domestic level or youth/u19 level to get the attention of fans and coaches. Whether it was early or not doesn’t matter, we have debuted plenty of cricketers too early. Even the way that you admit a lot of these guys performed after getting “unjustly” picked suggests it isn’t nepotism. Guys picking them predicted they would perform. You can’t just throw around the nepotism tag like that.

Farhat and Masood were the noticeable cases. And it’s not coincidence that the relations being claimed as enabling this nepotism were not coaches or captains. But at least farhat outperformed mostly the other openers in domestic in an era where opening options were bad. Masood didn’t even do that before debut.
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Their also your opinions, don't treat what you claim as factual.
 
The upcoming test series against England would be very vital for him. He has to score big runs in this series in order to keep playing for the Pakistan national side. His average of 28.53 is clearly not enough.
 
hassan918 said:
The upcoming test series against England would be very vital for him. He has to score big runs in this series in order to keep playing for the Pakistan national side. His average of 28.53 is clearly not enough.
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He doesn't have the capability to go beyond this, so I'm sure this series will be another failure for him.
 
Looks like the only fan of Shan Msood lol

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Mamoon said:
It’s already decided that Rizwan will be the next white ball captain.
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The PCB ( no matter the chairman) have been itching for Shan to become skipper for a long time. They even made him vice captain for his ODI debut series but Babar kept him on the bench.

Rizwan has deliberately been overlooked a number of times. I will be surprised if he is made the captain this time.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
The PCB ( no matter the chairman) have been itching for Shan to become skipper for a long time. They even made him vice captain for his ODI debut series but Babar kept him on the bench.

Rizwan has deliberately been overlooked a number of times. I will be surprised if he is made the captain this time.
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why do you think he is deliberately being overlooked?
 
Rana said:
why do you think he is deliberately being overlooked?
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I'm not sure, but it's strange he has been the bridesmaid( vice captain and most senior player) a number of times but never the bride.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
I'm not sure, but it's strange he has been the bridesmaid( vice captain and most senior player) a number of times but never the bride.
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The husband is suppose to be the captain. It's a men's cricket team.

He's too immature and too feminine to be a captain but them again so is Bobby.
 
Rana said:
Do you as cricket fans who have the best interest of Pakistan trust him?
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I don't have any reason in particular to distrust him.

he doesn't strike me as a test captain and I think the T20 captaincy should be someone who probably doesn't play test cricket. Also in T20's the Rizwan/Babar regime failed in a number of tournaments so I'd like a fresh start.

I wouldn't be adverse to having him as ODI captain in the lead up to and during the CT though.
 
Sorry forgot to add @Rana if there was a set up like what's happening in the test squad currently where the selectors picked the final XI and the captain basically goes through stuff on the field - would you still be unable to trust Rizwan?
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Sorry forgot to add @Rana if there was a set up like what's happening in the test squad currently where the selectors picked the final XI and the captain basically goes through stuff on the field - would you still be unable to trust Rizwan?
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Depends on what format

No problem in Test cricket.

In T20, 100% I don’t trust him.

In ODI, partially I don’t trust him knowing he wants to be the centre stage. Also, I think he is regressing as a middle order batter anyways (not that I thought he was brilliant to begin with). The Champion’s cup proved he is a natural slow starter. Takes 10-15 balls to get going if he isn’t out. He’s now doing the same in Test cricket, can’t seem to buy a run in his first 20 odd balls (if he isn’t out by then).

So he’s told himself he doesn’t need to keep going regardless of conditions (even though the last 2-3 months have been on absolutely flat tracks).

If made captain, his assignments coming up won’t be on tracks that suit Pakistani batsmen anyways.
 
The ups and downs of any sportsman , from being humiliated at home to Bangladesh, winning miraculously against England to now the land of Africa to fight against possible WTC finalists.

Can Shan Massod send ripples in the farce that is WTC by winning or drawing a series in SA, highly unthinkable a task more daunting than achieving anything Down under which Pakistan had unsuccessfully flirted in last couple of tours.
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Looking at the team if they play to their full potential and couple of SA players have off days then Pakistan has a chance. Otherwise keep your TVs closed its 2-0 written all over it.

We Will see whether Pakistan cricket and Shan Masood the captain has made any progress or it is business as usual.

The conundrum of going with an extra batsman or all rounder will be one of many riddles for the captain. Salman Ali Agha or Amir Jamal or even KG. A delicate choice to be made given the deficiencies each one of them offers.

Nevertheless Test cricket is the real deal and Pakistan team will give a thorough exam over the period of possible 180 overs to gauge their capabilities.
 
BCCI should agree to pcbs partnership model if Shan manages to win in South Africa
 
Pakistan has won the Test series against England but it had a lot to do with the spinning pitches and the 2 spinners. Credit for that goes to Aqib. Shan didn't do much with the bat in those 2 test victories. The current South African team is a side that Pakistan can beat if they play well (I doubt Pakistan's chances). However Shan is only going to weaken the batting line up, because Shan will play in place of Kamran Ghulam (which will be very unfair to Kamran and Pakistan cricket as a whole). His captaincy is nothing special (his captaincy blunders cost us the Bangladesh series) and his batting is a joke. Public speaking ability is no excuse for continued selection.
No matter how you look at it there is no place for Shan in the side, there wasn't any in the past. Enough of this nepotism
 
What now for Shan , no Test cricket in 6-7 months what will he do County cricket should the PCB need more evidence to look for other options or Pakistan Test team is being treated as "Beyar-o-madadgar""

Thoughts
 
Kianig89 said:
What now for Shan , no Test cricket in 6-7 months what will he do County cricket should the PCB need more evidence to look for other options or Pakistan Test team is being treated as "Beyar-o-madadgar""

Thoughts
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What now for you actually?

Your posting charisma without the toxic agenda against Shan is as good as a sack of Asda potatoes as pointed out by @shaz619
 
Kianig89 said:
What now for Shan , no Test cricket in 6-7 months what will he do County cricket should the PCB need more evidence to look for other options or Pakistan Test team is being treated as "Beyar-o-madadgar""

Thoughts
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It's likely the PCB will move on but unless the investment and priority changes towards test cricket there won't be any difference no matter who is the captain.
 
Rana said:
What now for you actually?

Your posting charisma without the toxic agenda against Shan is as good as a sack of Asda potatoes as pointed out by @shaz619
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So the team.should remain headless and helpless and reading for next WTC drubbing
 
DeadlyVenom said:
It's likely the PCB will move on but unless the investment and priority changes towards test cricket there won't be any difference no matter who is the captain.
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Yes looks like PCB are content with 1-1 result and not bothered about future of Test cricket specially with CT and PSL ahead
 
Kianig89 said:
Yes looks like PCB are content with 1-1 result and not bothered about future of Test cricket specially with CT and PSL ahead
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2027 onwards their will be tiers in test cricket and anything below six we are moving to tier 2
 
Golden opportunity Shan to showcase his T20 skills , with Pakistan team needing an experience batsman at the top , surely this is Shan's opportunity to grab it
 
Kianig89 said:
Golden opportunity Shan to showcase his T20 skills , with Pakistan team needing an experience batsman at the top , surely this is Shan's opportunity to grab it
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He grabbed thin air and thick edges to third man at the world t20 in Australia.
 
Kianig89 said:
Golden opportunity Shan to showcase his T20 skills , with Pakistan team needing an experience batsman at the top , surely this is Shan's opportunity to grab it
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Golden opportunity for him to displace Jahandad in T20s,

Jahandad is his competitor in Tests according to you.
 
Kianig89 said:
Golden opportunity Shan to showcase his T20 skills , with Pakistan team needing an experience batsman at the top , surely this is Shan's opportunity to grab it
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Shan isn't in the t20 or odi squad? What golden opportunity are you referring to?
 
Kianig89 said:
The coveted National T20 Cup is there to grab your opportunity , a tournament on which some posters are losing sleep
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But why would PCB invest in a 35 year old 🤣🤣. The likes of Sachin literally refused to play t20 cricket because he called it a young man's game?

Shan is captain of test cricket due to nepotism but theirs a valid reason why he's captain, mainly cause at the very least he can conduct himself well and he isn't a circus clown in press.

But yes overall he's a medicore player in tests but the situation is so bad that replacements don't exist due to Ramiz Raja sahib killing interest in test cricket.

On current form, Babar, Abdullah, Hurraira, Imam aren't in any condition to displace Shan in test cricket as batters. Their form is extremely extremely poor atm.
 
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SHan masood should just retire now with such mediocre stats. Why would he be invested in by PCB now... Umar Amin has a better record than him for the last couple of years, but he never got a chance because he is also done and dusted because of his age, and the same is the case with Shan...

Next test series should be his last one also
 
Kianig89 said:
National T20 cup

Batted at no. 4 , Game 1, 8 runs 12 deliveries , Avg. 8, SR 66.67 precisely

@Rana
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NO NO... Don't say anything to MR "ENGLISH". He will come out once again and speak out the whole vocabulary to defend anything bad... CHill
 
mominsaigol said:
I genuinely have a question about the merits of this guy?

First of all, when it comes to the nepotism factor, he seems to be supported more then any other player in the history of Pakistan cricket.

Yes Pakistan has had nepotistic selections in the past such as Muhammad rizwan, Chacha, Imam ul Haq, Abdullah Shafique Asad Shafiq(For odi), Ahmed Shehzad, Muhammad irfan, Imran Farhat and many other undeserving players who never warranted selection in the first place, But they all did something to warrant a spit for some time

For example all of them have had match winning moments and some achievements that you may consider as some sort of justification to keep them in the squad. But Shan Masood has none?

He has no match winning innings, no notable performances in any format, no notable domestic performances as he had a poor local domestic tournament, A history of poor PSL and anytime I've seen this lad in county he's been terrible.

And yet he gets made captain and keeps coming back into the squad one way or another?

He's arguably the biggest Ladla of the PCB, despite having virtually zero arguments to have him even being a reserve member let alone in the playing 11.

To top it off, he's the pakistani captain in history to not have any wins in test cricket?(Not counting Rizwan, Malik, Afridi, Asif Iqbal and others as they didn't captain for long and only had one offs at most), And even if you wish to count them, None of these guys lost 5 games in a row.

So genuinely what's the deal with him? I'm fully aware of his father's connections and have done a deep dive into it, but still? Can pcb really be that stupid?

The goal of the organisation is to turn pakistan into a competitive cricketing nation, so even with nepotism included, I fail to see what they see in Shan as a leader and batsmen? What's the plan and direction with him?

A) He's 34 so age isn't on his side.

B) He's the worst Opener/top order test batter to ever represent the game for pakistan after a set number of innings.

C) He has a winless test captaincy record

D) Every year I see him in psl or local one day cups or fc cups or county, I see him performing poorly making his 50+ avg in List A a greater mystery then the Egyptian Pyramids?
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money and influence.. he will be in the system and keep getting selected.
 
hoshiarpurexpress said:
money and influence.. he will be in the system and keep getting selected.
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I'm.not happy that he's captain, nor am I happy that he's in the team but to be absolutely fair to him, Since he returned he did score 2 cemturies for pakistan in test cricket and has the highest avg of 37.

Again that's not saying much but the entire team is filled with 20 avg batters for the past 2 years. Abdullah, Babar, KG, Hurraira, Imam are all avg 15 to 25.

Agha, Saud and rizwan are avg 30-39.

It's a sharp contrast to our no 1 ranked uae side where everyone was avg 40+.

Shehzad despite being medicore in his career, he was avg 40 during that uae period, Hafeez was avg 39, azhar was avg 45, YK was avg close to 55 in uae, misbah was avg 48 to 49 in uae, Sarfi and asad were avg 40+ etc etc. And their overall career avg are 37 to 52 as well

Such a sad downfall .
 
mominsaigol said:
I'm.not happy that he's captain, nor am I happy that he's in the team but to be absolutely fair to him, Since he returned he did score 2 cemturies for pakistan in test cricket and has the highest avg of 37.

Again that's not saying much but the entire team is filled with 20 avg batters for the past 2 years. Abdullah, Babar, KG, Hurraira, Imam are all avg 15 to 25.

Agha, Saud and rizwan are avg 30-39.

It's a sharp contrast to our no 1 ranked uae side where everyone was avg 40+.

Shehzad despite being medicore in his career, he was avg 40 during that uae period, Hafeez was avg 39, azhar was avg 45, YK was avg close to 55 in uae, misbah was avg 48 to 49 in uae, Sarfi and asad were avg 40+ etc etc. And their overall career avg are 37 to 52 as well

Such a sad downfall .
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na shan is no good. He is out and out product of nepotism.
 
hoshiarpurexpress said:
na shan is no good. He is out and out product of nepotism.
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I'm not saying he's good. I'm illustrating just how badly we fell from our no 1 ranked days.

People question why the test team fell off so hard and it's simple, one team was filled with batters who were avg 40+ in uae and in case of YK 55 to 60.

And overall the top 5 were still 40 to 50+ batters, making it a decent team overseas except for aus and sa.

The current team doesn't have anyone. Don't be fooled by Saud's avg, he exploited sri lanka during their most pathetic test run and exploited phatta conditons vs Bangladesh.

He's only played one good test innings vs England on lottery pitches but bowlers like saqib are club level.
 
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