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What will happens to bowlers if Fakhar and Sharjeel at their peak open in t20 for Pakistan and Babar drops to one down at 3 because Babar kills momentum in powerplay.

But this can only happen when Fakhar returns to form.


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If babar is getting bogged down in a match during powerplay then they two hacks won't survive last 6 overs.
 
jaisan said:
If babar is getting bogged down in a match during powerplay then they two hacks won't survive last 6 overs.
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I'm saying at their peaks

Pakistan never ever utilize powerplay
 
55/0 of 6 overs

Only for malik & hafeez to kill the momentum

140 all out
 
AAli98 said:
55/0 of 6 overs

Only for malik & hafeez to kill the momentum

140 all out
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1. Fakhar
2. Sharjeel
3. Babar
4. Zeeshan Ashraf (wk)
5. Khushdil
6. Iftikhaar
This top 6 no momentum gets killed
 
Fakhar?

He had no peak - all fluke.

Sharjeel can demolish any attack.
 
Well i have been saying even before this year’s PSL started and even before Sharjeel hit form that I would love to see Sharjeel, Fakhar, Babar & Kamran as my top 4. Call them hack or whatever, it just makes compelling viewing.
 
ROFL fakhar zaman.He is a B grade hack with so many technical deficiencies.He should never be picked for national team.
 
You don't go by ifs.. get in whoever deserves it.

Sharjeel, Babar and Haider Ali should be top 3. If Malik is in the team he should be next at 4. If Hafeez is in the team he should come at 6.Those positions should be pakka.
 
Sharjeel needs to be put on a giant hamster wheel before there is any talk of getting him back in the side. Probably has the most egregious fitness standards in the league after Azam Khan.
 
1-Sharjeel Khan
2-Babar Azam
3-Haider Ali
4-Zeeshan Ashraf Wk
5-Shoaib Malik
6-Imad Wasim/Iftikhar
7-Shadab Khan
8-M.Amir
9-Shaheen Afridi
10-Haris Rauf/Dilbar Hussain
11-Naseem Shah
 
Their bowling average will improve. You talk of the two as if they'll set the world on fire. Most bowlers will walk away with easy wickets.
 
hafizexpress said:
You don't go by ifs.. get in whoever deserves it.

Sharjeel, Babar and Haider Ali should be top 3. If Malik is in the team he should be next at 4. If Hafeez is in the team he should come at 6.Those positions should be pakka.
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Malik shouldn't be in the team.
 
AAli98 said:
55/0 of 6 overs

Only for malik & hafeez to kill the momentum

140 all out
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This honestly :))

Can't believe our duffer coach will torture us by taking geriatrics to Australia where on massive grounds their 'hitting' will be useless.
 
Hawkeye said:
Malik shouldn't be in the team.
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He shouldn't but you know Misbah, he's full of surprises. He has been one of the most prolific Pakistani batsmen in the PSL next to Babar and Shadab so I wouldn't be surprised if he's back.
 
100/1 in 10 overs



but more likely


10/2 in 3 overs



Both are hacks and most international sides have plans and means to get hacks out in quick time.
 
Babar HAS to open, that opening slot is sealed barbar scores at a very good rate in the powerplay and then can accumulate between over 7-15, to even think of dropping him to 3 is sheer stupidity
 
If Fakhar Zaman and Sharjeel Khan are made to open in the Pakistan XI. A lot more people will be tuning in just to watch these 2.

The opposition would be fearing that they don't click and for that they'll try unconventional strategies. They'll ball on their feet down the leg side or bring a spinner in. One of the 2 will bash the bowling to pieces.
They'll go for their natural game if a player like Haider Ali is next at one down
 
The bowlers will get smashed if they are from associate teams. Unfortunately for us, the good sides would figure the hacks out in no time.
 
You don’t fix something that isn’t broken. Babar has to open. He’s our best t20 bat and among the best in the world. He has performed and should not be moved from his position.

Sharjeel and Fakhar both had their fair chance in the PSL knowing the second opener slot is wide open. I like Fakhar but he looks like he has completely lost it at the moment while Sharjeel seems to be peaking at the right time.

You could say the OP is a hypothetical scenario but then you might as well say, imagine a peak Jamshed opening with Sharjeel right now. It’s irrelevant.

At the moment, any sane Pakistan fan would pick a top order of:

Babar
Sharjeel
Haider
 
Fakhar-Sharjeel is a double-edged sword opening combo if I ever saw one. It's either 100-1 in 7-8 overs, or like 25-2 in 5 overs.
 
Forum363 said:
You don’t fix something that isn’t broken. Babar has to open. He’s our best t20 bat and among the best in the world. He has performed and should not be moved from his position.

Sharjeel and Fakhar both had their fair chance in the PSL knowing the second opener slot is wide open. I like Fakhar but he looks like he has completely lost it at the moment while Sharjeel seems to be peaking at the right time.

You could say the OP is a hypothetical scenario but then you might as well say, imagine a peak Jamshed opening with Sharjeel right now. It’s irrelevant.

At the moment, any sane Pakistan fan would pick a top order of:

Babar
Sharjeel
Haider
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Assuming Sharjeel and Haider continue with good performances for the rest of this PSL, I would like to see this top 3 being experimented with. Pakistan's next t20 assignment is 2 t20s vs Ireland, so that is a more than ideal place to start in trying out a top 3 of Babar-Sharjeel-Haider.
 
Syed1 said:
100/1 in 10 overs



but more likely


10/2 in 3 overs



Both are hacks and most international sides have plans and means to get hacks out in quick time.
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So when did you realize that Fakhar is a hack? Just curious lol, no bad meaning behind the question. I just clearly remember you being his biggest supporter after the 2017 PSL. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Fakhar , Sharjeel , Babar , Khushdil , Haider Ali in top 6 and T-20 World cup is Pakistan's
 
b.lesner said:
Fakhar , Sharjeel , Babar , Khushdil , Haider Ali in top 6 and T-20 World cup is Pakistan's
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Not quite. Get Malik and Hafeez in that top 6 and then you have a chance. Kami also if you want a guaranteed win.
 
Sharjeel is as big a hack as Fakhar with just a better pull shot. Both will be back in the pavilion in the first 4 overs against any decent bowling attack.
 
Babar
Sharjeel
Haider
Malik.. unwanted gift from Misbah
Rizwan wk
Khusdil
Shadab
Wahab
Shaheen
Hussnain
Naseem

Reserves
Chacha Iftikhar
Imad
Rauf
Aamir
 
Even if Sharjeel and Fakhar fail you will have another pair of openers Babar and Rizwan at 3 and 4 and Hafeez to finish off.


1. Fakhar
2. Sharjeel
3. Babar
4. Rizwan
5. Hafeez
6. Fahim
7. Imad
8. Usman
9. Hasan
10. Shaheen
11. Hasnain


Reserve
12. Haider
13. Zahid
14. Haris
15. Amad
16. Wasim jr
17. Bismillah
18. Arshad
19. Dahani
20. Danish
 
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jaisan said:
If babar is getting bogged down in a match during powerplay then they two hacks won't survive last 6 overs.
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He's talking about peaks. At their peak, Fakhar Zaman and Sharjeel Khan cannot be dismissed and play at minimum 10 rpo.
 
It's more likely that Fakhar will slice a catch to deep third man and Sharjeel will mistime a midwicket hoick and leave us 13/2 after 2 overs
 
Both Fakhar and Sharjeel can win Pakistan a tournament if you stay with them and support them even when one or both of them failed.
 
b.lesner said:
What will happens to bowlers if Fakhar and Sharjeel at their peak open in t20 for Pakistan and Babar drops to one down at 3 because Babar kills momentum in powerplay.

But this can only happen when Fakhar returns to form.


Discuss
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Not a big fan of fantasy cricket.
 
b.lesner said:
Even if Sharjeel and Fakhar fail you will have another pair of openers Babar and Rizwan at 3 and 4 and Hafeez to finish off.


1. Fakhar
2. Sharjeel
3. Babar
4. Rizwan
5. Hafeez
6. Fahim
7. Imad
8. Usman
9. Hasan
10. Shaheen
11. Hasnain


Reserve
12. Haider
13. Zahid
14. Haris
15. Amad
16. Wasim jr
17. Bismillah
18. Arshad
19. Dahani
20. Danish
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Your batting is to weak need to get Haider in thier instead of fahim ashraf and imad is not a wicket taker just like he showed in psl.
 
shamaan said:
Your batting is to weak need to get Haider in thier instead of fahim ashraf and imad is not a wicket taker just like he showed in psl.
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All players upto Hasan Ali at no. 9 can bat.

Do you know Imad economy from 7-15 overs is 6.3 , no one comes close.
 
Rizwan has made the conversation all about himself. Imad Wasim has a sad mentality that he cant bowl to left-handers can operate like this..Nawaz and Zafar provide more value
 
1-Rizwan
2-Sharjeel
3-Babar
4-Hafeez
5-Fakhar
6-Haidar
7-Faheem
8-Nawaz
9-Usman Qadar
10-Shaheen
11-Haris

Bench
Sarfraz
Hasnain
Dhani
Iftikhar
Zahid
 
The answer to Sharjeel/Fakhar vs Babar/Rizwan debate is simple and subjective.

Ask yourself a question if you'd take 25(15) or 75(50) from your opening bat. Objective thinking and rationale clearly suggest that the batsman making 75 will most likely contribute in winning a game while the batsman making 25 has not achieved anything in the game and has left the game onto his teammates to go onto win.
 
Mediocrity has its peaks too so yes, if both are somehow on song then that's good for Pakistan. But chances of that happening are 1 in 10.
 
Either Fakhar or Sharjeel will definitely get picked, and I am almost certain that Fakhar will get the nod.

A lot of teams will open with spinners and Babar would prefer to hide at 3.

There is a 90% chance that Rizwan and Fakhar will open in the WT20.
 
First of all it will be the PCB & managements own incompetence if they play both Hafeez and Malik in the batting line up. Pakistan can only afford to have one of them in the team and I’d definitely take Hafeez over Malik despite Malik having a good record in India and Asia. Hafeez is a beast in t20is and is definitely Pakistan’s best batsman in the format. Babar’s strike rate & inability to hit boundaries regularly let’s him down but you can tell he’s working hard to improve power hitting. Hafeez is pivotal to Pakistan’s t20 lineup if they want any chance to lift the trophy in 2021 or 2022. I don’t understand why people bash him so much. He may have been average in the past and saved his spot due to his all round abilities but once you have a vastly experienced player like the professor who’s performing all around the world you can’t keep him out. Since he’s started playing golf and the cpl with the West Indies players he’s been hitting boundaries at will. He knows when he can hit bowler a b or c for a boundary. He’s intelligent enough to know that if I’ve just driven bowler a through the covers I’ll probably get a short one and he’ll be ready to pull it unlike all the younger players who keep getting out making the same mistakes over and over again because of their poor shot selection. Pakistan’s bowling should be fine but if they want to win they need the top order and Hafeez to fire. (Fakhar, Sharjeel, Babar, Hafeez, Haider, Rizwan) looks like a solid top 6 and if Haider can find some form he should come in at 4 with Hafeez coming in at 5. Don’t think Pakistan have had a stronger batting line up in recent times.
 
I find it quite hilarious that people on this thread and forum are lambasting Babar as someone who is not good enough for T20 or someone who pings us down with his play.

People do need a good hard reality check. Babar is by far the most profound batsman in the country. So if the logic is that his batting is curtailing the Pakistan team from posting large totals or chasing a large total down then by that admission you believe that there are better batsmen than Babar waiting to come onto bat and rescue Pakistan. If you believe in this theory then you are spectacularly wrong as Babar is the best batsman by far.

On the flip side if you believe that Sharjeel or Fakhar are better openers than Babar then that is facepalm worthy as well. You dont have to dig further, a simple PSL stats check to see who has been superior opener in last couple of seasons and the comfortable answer is Babar. Even in this year's PSL where everyone is praising Sharjeel he still hasn't outplayed Babar in whatever season we had.

I'm surprised for a team like Pakistan where we need to set realistic goals and make steady progress we have fans who are quite volatile.
 
What if the bowlers are at their peaks too?

Bumrah might not bowl a no-ball against Zaman.
 
Also - disappointed that Pakistan are again reintroducing a convicted fixer back into the fold.

Should have disposed of him quietly.
 
b.lesner said:
All players upto Hasan Ali at no. 9 can bat.

Do you know Imad economy from 7-15 overs is 6.3 , no one comes close.
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Usman can hold a bat hit a few but thats about it however i do see hassan can bat and slog alot more usman.

Yes i seen how economical he was in this psl and how he batted in this psl.the pitches will be flat imad will be ineffective
 
I love watching both batsman play
However when you got to aggressive batsman like that your more likley to be 7/2 in 2 overs rather than 24/0 granted if they both click in an innings it will be massive but its not something that will bound to happen often
 
If anyone still thinks similar players Babar and Rizwan who play lots of dot balls in powerplay can chase 200 against top teams what can you say.

If team management still doesn't open with Fakhar and Sharjeel then they are kidding themselves.
 
Can Sharjeel ever play the kind of inning Rizwan has played with Pakistan's brittle lineup? No. He's a hack who will perform 1/5 times and cost 10-15 runs in the field every game. At least with Fakhar, you get a very safe fielder who performs just as well as Sharjeel if not better. Our fans are delusional to think Sharjeel is anywhere close to the likes of Butler, Warner, or even Finch who is a terrific LOIs batsman.
 
Well assuming that the bowlers are also at their peak than we can expect nothing but a score off 12/2 after 3 overs with Sharjeel scoring 6 (12)
Afterwards our fans would proceed to justify Sharjeel's selection by saying he hit one "glorious" six from the 12 balls he faced.
 
b.lesner said:
If anyone still thinks similar players Babar and Rizwan who play lots of dot balls in powerplay can chase 200 against top teams what can you say.

If team management still doesn't open with Fakhar and Sharjeel then they are kidding themselves.
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Fakhar and Sharjeel are also similar players, very aggressive. We need a balance. I would try to open with Babar and Sharjeel with Fakhar at #3.
 
srh said:
Fakhar and Sharjeel are also similar players, very aggressive. We need a balance. I would try to open with Babar and Sharjeel with Fakhar at #3.
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Yes lets drop the guy who has been our top batsman for the last six months and replace him with an unfit fixer who lacks any ability and only scores runs against 3rd class domestic bowling line ups after being dropped twice
 
Abdurmirr said:
Yes lets drop the guy who has been our top batsman for the last six months and replace him with an unfit fixer who lacks any ability and only scores runs against 3rd class domestic bowling line ups after being dropped twice
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Who is talking about dropping Rizwan? He will move to #4 or #5 depending on Hafeez's form.

Main idea is to have 1 accumulator & 1 aggressive in openers instead of 2 accumulators as we currently are using with Babar and Rizwan. Babar is a better option than Rizwan for the 1 accumulator in openers.
 
srh said:
Who is talking about dropping Rizwan? He will move to #4 or #5 depending on Hafeez's form.

Main idea is to have 1 accumulator & 1 aggressive in openers instead of 2 accumulators as we currently are using with Babar and Rizwan. Babar is a better option than Rizwan for the 1 accumulator in openers.
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Lol at calling Rizwan accumlater. He has been striking it better than fat Sharjeel. Go by stats not khayali pulao
 
srh said:
Who is talking about dropping Rizwan? He will move to #4 or #5 depending on Hafeez's form.

Main idea is to have 1 accumulator & 1 aggressive in openers instead of 2 accumulators as we currently are using with Babar and Rizwan. Babar is a better option than Rizwan for the 1 accumulator in openers.
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It's funny you call Rizwan the accumulator when Sharjeel has a much higher dot ball percentage than him.

His century in this years PSL proves that fact. In the powerplay he was 11 (19) and struggling to even time the ball. Only because of some teenage club level bowling and dropped catches was he able to get any momentum. Even in his return game the same pattern was seen. He scored 8 from 12 with 1 six and 1 double ran therefore ignoring his two scoring shots, he was 0 from 10.

Therefore the argument that Sharjeel is better suited to opening over Rizwan has no weight to it as Sharjeel has proven time and time again that he his a huge ball waster and only scores through boundaries. A fatter, corrupt and unfit version of Afridi.
 
The fact that people are confidently floating the idea that Rizwan (who is the best performer in the team atm) should move down the order to accommodate Sharjeel (who doesn't even deserve to be in the team) shows how little they understand cricket.
 
Sharjeel is an unfit hack who doesn't know how to rotate the strike. He is a shadow of his former self i.e. the player he was becoming in 2016. The fact that he is even in the squad is a testament to the lack of critical thinking skills of the chief-selector, who selectively uses stats to suit his agenda, and discards them completely when it doesn't.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Sharjeel is an unfit hack who doesn't know how to rotate the strike. He is a shadow of his former self i.e. the player he was becoming in 2016. The fact that he is even in the squad is a testament to the lack of critical thinking skills of the chief-selector, who selectively uses stats to suit his agenda, and discards them completely when it doesn't.
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It's unfair to blame Wasim for selecting Sharjeel when it's known Babar very much likes Sharjeel and wanted him in the squad. Wasim does not seem like the person who wants to create enemies for the sake of it. He did disregard Babar's opinion on Dhani who is worth trying out for tests against Zimbabwe. More importantly, it's better if Sharjeel shows his true worth now rather than be selected out of the blue for WC and fail us there.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Sharjeel is an unfit hack who doesn't know how to rotate the strike. He is a shadow of his former self i.e. the player he was becoming in 2016. The fact that he is even in the squad is a testament to the lack of critical thinking skills of the chief-selector, who selectively uses stats to suit his agenda, and discards them completely when it doesn't.
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Based on what? It seems to be your own opinion devoid of facts. He’s currently one of the leading run scorers at the PSL 6 with 170 SR.
He was also comfortably the best opener seen at the recent 4 day QEA Trophy as well with 44 average and 80ish SR.
I don’t care how we looks. This is not a fashion show. I want runs and I want em fast, and Sharjeel is delivering that.
 
sharjeel can slot into the middle order, try him out there or maybe as a floater, one thing is please do not mess with the top 3 of Rizwan , Babar, and Fakhar, they have some rhythm now lets sort the ones below them.
 
world cup captain said:
It's unfair to blame Wasim for selecting Sharjeel when it's known Babar very much likes Sharjeel and wanted him in the squad. Wasim does not seem like the person who wants to create enemies for the sake of it. He did disregard Babar's opinion on Dhani who is worth trying out for tests against Zimbabwe. More importantly, it's better if Sharjeel shows his true worth now rather than be selected out of the blue for WC and fail us there.
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Babar wanted Imad in the squad too, was his opinion taken on that?

And judging by how Wasim is perfectly fine ghosting Babar's calls I think I am well within my rights to blame him for selecting Sharjeel. What's an even damning indictment of his selection process though is that he actually selected Sharjeel over Fakhar. But thankfully, the team management corrected that blunder of his by retaining Fakhar in the T20 squad.
 
Farabi said:
Based on what? It seems to be your own opinion devoid of facts. He’s currently one of the leading run scorers at the PSL 6 with 170 SR.
He was also comfortably the best opener seen at the recent 4 day QEA Trophy as well with 44 average and 80ish SR.
I don’t care how we looks. This is not a fashion show. I want runs and I want em fast, and Sharjeel is delivering that.
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Based on what? How about his 8(12) in the 2nd T20? An innings in which he played 9 dot balls. And that too in the powerplay.

You may not care about fitness but when he can't even dive on the boundary to save 4 runs or make a mess of a simple catch, than it becomes a problem. If you don't know what I am talking about be sure to check the highlights of the 2nd T20I vs. South Africa, you will find out.

And if there's one thing PSL has shown, its what a poor indicator of batting talent it is. Name one successful batsman who is a product of PSL? I'll name a few failures who definitely are a product of PSL: Husain Talat, Asif Ali, Khushdil Shah and these are just the guys who did well enough in the PSL to get selected.

Compare that with the bowling talent PSL helped unearth: Hasan Ali, Shaheen Shah Afridi, Haris Rauf, Mohammad Hasnain, Mohammad Nawaz, Shadab Khan -- pretty much Pakistan's entire limited-overs attack at present.
 
I think between fakhar and sharjeel thiers only 1 position. And fakhar takes that spot.
 
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RedwoodOriginal said:
Based on what? How about his 8(12) in the 2nd T20? An innings in which he played 9 dot balls. And that too in the powerplay.

You may not care about fitness but when he can't even dive on the boundary to save 4 runs or make a mess of a simple catch, than it becomes a problem. If you don't know what I am talking about be sure to check the highlights of the 2nd T20I vs. South Africa, you will find out.

And if there's one thing PSL has shown, its what a poor indicator of batting talent it is. Name one successful batsman who is a product of PSL? I'll name a few failures who definitely are a product of PSL: Husain Talat, Asif Ali, Khushdil Shah and these are just the guys who did well enough in the PSL to get selected.

Compare that with the bowling talent PSL helped unearth: Hasan Ali, Shaheen Shah Afridi, Haris Rauf, Mohammad Hasnain, Mohammad Nawaz, Shadab Khan -- pretty much Pakistan's entire limited-overs attack at present.
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Sharjeel is not just a PSL product. He’s already shown his ability at the international level in Australia, NZ and Eng.

Also FYI that Fakhar Zaman was identified at the PSL thanks to McCullum.
Also, too soon to say Khusdhil and Talat failed. Most Batsmen typically develop over the course of few years.
Asif Ali has done just as well at International T20s as he as done in domestic ones. He was never great to start with. Go Look at his stats
 
Farabi said:
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Sharjeel is not just a PSL product. He’s already shown his ability at the international level in Australia, NZ and Eng.

Also FYI that Fakhar Zaman was identified at the PSL thanks to McCullum.
Also, too soon to say Khusdhil and Talat failed. Most Batsmen typically develop over the course of few years.
Asif Ali has done just as well at International T20s as he as done in domestic ones. He was never great to start with. Go Look at his stats
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Based on your analogy Amir should have been the same bowler that he was when he got banned. Except he wasn't. He was a shadow of his former self. And so is Sharjeel. I doubt he can even play a full ODI match based on his level of fitness.

LOL attributing Fakhar to PSL is quite a stretch. McCullum may have played a part in grooming him or giving him chances but Fakhar's breakout PSL season was an abysmal one in which he scored one fifty. Fakhar got identified through his performances in the 2016 and 2017 Pakistan Cup, which also led to selection in the Champions Trophy squad. Without that 2016 season there might never have been a spot in the PSL and without the 2017 season there might not have been a place in the CT squad.

Asif Ali was selected for Pakistan based on his performances in the PSL in which he played an important role in winning the trophy for IU. He had a very good season ending up with a SR of 169. So maybe you should go and look at the stats.

Really? Surely a player with 'talent' should show some flashes of their talent even if he hasn't developed as a player. So what flashes of talent has Talat shown based on the chances he has gotten? If he hasn't shown anything by the age of 25 despite playing 20 odd games for Pakistan, many of them against Zimbabwe, second string West Indies and second string Sri Lanka; than chances are he might not be setting the world alight anytime soon.

Khushdil may have gotten lesser chances so I'm willing to reserve my judgment on him. But thus far he has been an epic failure, despite being one of the most talked-about PSL products.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Based on your analogy Amir should have been the same bowler that he was when he got banned. Except he wasn't. He was a shadow of his former self. And so is Sharjeel. I doubt he can even play a full ODI match based on his level of fitness.

LOL attributing Fakhar to PSL is quite a stretch. McCullum may have played a part in grooming him or giving him chances but Fakhar's breakout PSL season was an abysmal one in which he scored one fifty. Fakhar got identified through his performances in the 2016 and 2017 Pakistan Cup, which also led to selection in the Champions Trophy squad. Without that 2016 season there might never have been a spot in the PSL and without the 2017 season there might not have been a place in the CT squad.

Asif Ali was selected for Pakistan based on his performances in the PSL in which he played an important role in winning the trophy for IU. He had a very good season ending up with a SR of 169. So maybe you should go and look at the stats.

Really? Surely a player with 'talent' should show some flashes of their talent even if he hasn't developed as a player. So what flashes of talent has Talat shown based on the chances he has gotten? If he hasn't shown anything by the age of 25 despite playing 20 odd games for Pakistan, many of them against Zimbabwe, second string West Indies and second string Sri Lanka; than chances are he might not be setting the world alight anytime soon.

Khushdil may have gotten lesser chances so I'm willing to reserve my judgment on him. But thus far he has been an epic failure, despite being one of the most talked-about PSL products.
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Sharjeel was for T20s not ODIs yet.
PSL obviously doesn’t produce the player, it just highlights them. If Pakistan Cup and QEA performances were being rewarded for Pakistan call-ups, we would not be the mess we are today and the likes of Rizwan, Hassan Mohsin, Fawad Alam, Usman Salahuddin, Saud Shakeel etc would have played many more games for Pakistan by now. Let’s be real.
Fakhar got noticed and selected because of PSL during a 33-ball 56 against Karachi where he destroyed the opposition bowling and looked extremely elegant while doing so.
Before the Champions Trophy, It earned him a call-up to Pakistan’s T20I side for the West Indies tour, and he made his debut in the second match in Port of Spain.
His first three T20Is only brought him 26 runs!!!
The ODI debut came months later. Khuda ka shukar Fakhar wasn’t dropped after 3 innings as was the case with Talat recently.

Asif Ali has fulfilled his low potential. He was always overrated based on one PSL season.

List A: 30 average at 115 SR
ODI: 26 Average at 121 SR
Fulfilled his low potential..

Domestic T20: 18 average at 134 SR
International T20: 17 average at 124 SR
Fulfilled his low potential...


Khusdhil and Talat must get a long-run in ODI and T20s before they can be judged.
 
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RedwoodOriginal said:
Based on your analogy Amir should have been the same bowler that he was when he got banned. Except he wasn't. He was a shadow of his former self. And so is Sharjeel. I doubt he can even play a full ODI match based on his level of fitness.

LOL attributing Fakhar to PSL is quite a stretch. McCullum may have played a part in grooming him or giving him chances but Fakhar's breakout PSL season was an abysmal one in which he scored one fifty. Fakhar got identified through his performances in the 2016 and 2017 Pakistan Cup, which also led to selection in the Champions Trophy squad. Without that 2016 season there might never have been a spot in the PSL and without the 2017 season there might not have been a place in the CT squad.

Asif Ali was selected for Pakistan based on his performances in the PSL in which he played an important role in winning the trophy for IU. He had a very good season ending up with a SR of 169. So maybe you should go and look at the stats.

Really? Surely a player with 'talent' should show some flashes of their talent even if he hasn't developed as a player. So what flashes of talent has Talat shown based on the chances he has gotten? If he hasn't shown anything by the age of 25 despite playing 20 odd games for Pakistan, many of them against Zimbabwe, second string West Indies and second string Sri Lanka; than chances are he might not be setting the world alight anytime soon.

Khushdil may have gotten lesser chances so I'm willing to reserve my judgment on him. But thus far he has been an epic failure, despite being one of the most talked-about PSL products.
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Agreed.

I've been trying to say this for a while.

Hussain Talat, Khushdil Shah, and the other hyped PSL kids aren't as good as people made them out to be. They're extremely limited in their playstyles, unable to adapt to the pressures of international cricket.
 
Farabi said:
Sharjeel was for T20s not ODIs yet.
PSL obviously doesn’t produce the player, it just highlights them. If Pakistan Cup and QEA performances were being rewarded for Pakistan call-ups, we would not be the mess we are today and the likes of Rizwan, Hassan Mohsin, Fawad Alam, Usman Salahuddin, Saud Shakeel etc would have played many more games for Pakistan by now. Let’s be real.
Fakhar got noticed and selected because of PSL during a 33-ball 56 against Karachi where he destroyed the opposition bowling and looked extremely elegant while doing so.
Before the Champions Trophy, It earned him a call-up to Pakistan’s T20I side for the West Indies tour, and he made his debut in the second match in Port of Spain.
His first three T20Is only brought him 26 runs!!!
The ODI debut came months later. Khuda ka shukar Fakhar wasn’t dropped after 3 innings as was the case with Talat recently.

Asif Ali has fulfilled his low potential. He was always overrated based on one PSL season.

List A: 30 average at 115 SR
ODI: 26 Average at 121 SR
Fulfilled his low potential..

Domestic T20: 18 average at 134 SR
International T20: 17 average at 124 SR
Fulfilled his low potential...


Khusdhil and Talat must get a long-run in ODI and T20s before they can be judged.
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Well than its ludicrous for you to evoke the Sharjeel of 2016, who was developing into one of the most destructive openers in the world and was a far cry from the Sharjeel of present. Furthermore, at his age, with that fitness and the time he has been out its unrealistic to expect that he will become anything resembling a long-term prospect for Pakistan. Which is why the hype around him is woefully misplaced.

You are wrong. Domestic does play a massive role in getting guys noticed and in pretty much every case has a role in getting guys to the PSL. Whether you choose to admit or not, it is a fact. There may be biases but ultimately those domestic performances are what act as your resume.

You are selectively taking names that suit your argument but ignoring the guys who got PSL and national team spots by doing well in domestic. Whether they came in late, stayed in the side or not is a different story altogether. Point is that domestic played a role in getting them there. Off the top of my head: Iftikhar, Fakhar, Faheem Ashraf, Rizwan, Shan Masood, Mohammad Abbas, Khusdhil, Waqas Maqsood, Sami Aslam all gained notoriety through their domestic performances, which then served as a gateway to bigger and better things like PSL or national team.

This is why you shouldn't make judgments by looking at a guy's Cricinfo profile because you ignore all the context that got him where he was in the first place. Go check Asif Ali's numbers in the 2018 Pakistan Cup, which took place after the PSL that year. He was the second leading run-scorer with an average of 109 and a SR of 128. So it wasn't just one PSL season as you claim.

Fakhar got into the PSL because of his 2016 Pakistan Cup performance in which he was one of the leading run-scorers with an average of 59 and a SR of 90 odd. He hadn't played a single PSL game before. And then in the 2017 Pakistan Cup which took place a month before Pakistan announced their CT squad he had an even better season averaging 60 with a SR of 110. So yeah, domestic definitely got him into the PSL and the 2017 CT squad.
 
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