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my ears have started to hurt from people saying that there is no talent in pak...
the sadistic mindset of many people just keep throwing this negative view point and frankly its becoming a nuisance now...

look at the team.... Fakhar, Shadab, Fahim, Sharjeel, hussain talat, HASSAN ALI, Rumman, M Abbas, are smashing players... and with relatively young Harris Sohail, Umar Amin, M Asghar on the horizon and good under-19 guys like Hassan Mohsin, Umair Saddiq, saif badar, yasir jaan, Sahabzada Farhan (not sure if he is u-19 but looks like tht) and many others...y we keep pulling ourselves down...

we have talent, it needs polishing ... .... PSL will be a good platform for these guys to learn. not only from coaches but also from foreign players and not only cricketing skills but also behind the scene necessities like training routines, DIET, mental toughness and confidence improvement ...

So guys , stop this shananigans of NO TALENT ...
 
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Things look so much more promising when team is doing well no?

Well most people achknowledge the talent in the country, they mostly are dissatisfied with selectors who don't give opportunities to young players.

If we select players on merit, give them the best of facilities and if the players have the right attitude towards hard work, nutrition etc and stay professional, we will always be able to compete with the best.
 
IAJ said:
Things look so much more promising when team is doing well no?

Well most people achknowledge the talent in the country, they mostly are dissatisfied with selectors who don't give opportunities to young players.

If we select players on merit, give them the best of facilities and if the players have the right attitude towards hard work, nutrition etc and stay professional, we will always be able to compete with the best.
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correct... think if we had the same TTFz like before ...
Kamran Akmal
Ahmad Shahzad
Haffez
Umar Akmal
Shoaib MAqsood
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Rahat Ali
Sohail Tanver
Wahab Riaz


really this is just a list of time waste ...
 
Myth "No Talent in Pakistan" has been burst

We have been listening for past few years, specially from seniors in the team, that there is no talent in Pakistan and in domestic.

I personally heard myself that Afridi, Ajmal, Hafeez said in interviews that if selectors have our replacement, select them, but fact is there are no replacement of ours.

Misbah also used to say that this was best available talent, which was playing in the team.

This "myth" is the best justification to keep non performing seniors in the team.

After performance form juniors, and failures of seniors, in champions trophy, can we say that this myth has been burst.
 
Its not like you got Bradman in your XI right now. Just bcuz one or two juniors have clicked doesnt mean that talemt bohat hay.
 
There has to be talent out there, otherwise, how could we be wasting so much and still surviving? Which other team has lost player of top caliber like Mohd Asif, Salman Butt, Amir, Sharjeel, Mohd Irfan, Fawad Alam, Umer Akmal (lost to his own stupidity), .....
 
zyrus said:
Its not like you got Bradman in your XI right now. Just bcuz one or two juniors have clicked doesnt mean that talemt bohat hay.
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You are right but compare to current seniors...it's not too much difference...we are reluctant to invest and risk
 
zyrus said:
Its not like you got Bradman in your XI right now. Just bcuz one or two juniors have clicked doesnt mean that talemt bohat hay.
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This isnt even our finished product. By next WC we will have Sharjeel,Haris,Talat,Faheem,Shadab,Farhan in full flow.
 
Btw which top 8 team doesn't have talent? People used to call Pak as most talented team because they had extraordinary talent who came to the scene without any proper grill in domestic but still performed. There is no such extraordinary talent any more in Pakistan. Windies who are worse as a team but don't have talent?
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
This isnt even our finished product. By next WC we will have Sharjeel,Haris,Talat,Faheem,Shadab,Farhan in full flow.
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Other top 7 teams have equal talent if not better. Nothing to really gloat. Yes these are all talented. None of them is extraordinary.
 
Don't get ahead of yourself. Just because you have done well in one tournament doesn't mean there is plethora of talent. All countries where cricket is big will always have a certain level of talent. Very few cricketers are uber talented in the league of Sachin, Wasim and Viv. These are once in a generations talents. Most of the other cricketer's talents are pretty close to each others. Its what they do with the talent and how their talent is nurtured is the question.

For example, lets look at India. We have had fast bowlers, not uber talented, but still talented fast bowlers like Irfan Pathan, RP Singh and many others in the past. We didn't have the system, nor the inclination to turn these bowlers from talented players to consistent International quality fast bowlers. Now, with the impact of IPL and a orderly domestic structure, things are changing. As a result you can see we are creating a battery of decent international quality fast bowlers. Not Wasim quality, but at a level that can help India perform consistently.

Coming back to Pakistan, you also had decent talented players in the past. Not all of them were once in a generation talents. Most were talented enough to be able to get a chance to play international cricket. But they were nurtured in the county system which allowed your talents to become international quality talents. Your domestic system didn't do much. Nowadays, your decently talented players, similar to the talent that can be found in other cricket playing countries are not getting the county cricket exposure. Your domestic structure doesn't help either. Thus the results.

Its a myth that Pakistan has more talent than any other country. A certain level of talent will always be there in most cricket playing nations. Its how the domestic scene nourishes them is what defines the success.
 
You can't find them because they are hiding behind those who say Pakistan has no shortage of cricketing talent.
 
It's the structure that is in place that is why they are not pulling through, if that is in order then can easily do so.
 
thehub said:
Other top 7 teams have equal talent if not better. Nothing to really gloat. Yes these are all talented. None of them is extraordinary.
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You are right but question is...are hafeez, shahzad, wahab, azhar, malik are extraordinary?
 
Where are the batsmen? Apart from Babar Azam, I struggle to remember any Pakistani young batsman who can bat with proper technique and score at decent rate in Limited Overs cricket. And even Babar is starting to show his chinks now that he doesn't have the novelty factor going for him anymore.

If after Babar, your next best batsman is 35(38) year old Shoaib Malik, then where is this myth-busting talent that you speak of?

I know everyone here is heartened by Fakhar Zaman's showing so far, but those who understand cricket recognize the shaky technical foundations of his batting. I mean, Pakistan have always had this sort of batsmen - Imran Nazir, Farhat, Sharjeel etc Where are the heirs to Zaheer Abbas, Saeed Anwar, heck even Inzy?
 
Rafay Shafiq said:
We have been listening for past few years, specially from seniors in the team, that there is no talent in Pakistan and in domestic.

I personally heard myself that Afridi, Ajmal, Hafeez said in interviews that if selectors have our replacement, select them, but fact is there are no replacement of ours.

Misbah also used to say that this was best available talent, which was playing in the team.

This "myth" is the best justification to keep non performing seniors in the team.

After performance form juniors, and failures of seniors, in champions trophy, can we say that this myth has been burst.
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Yup Afridi from 2011 upto last year would routinely come in media and say I am still the best player in the team
 
The bowling talent is there for sure. But we still have batting issues & less guys stepping up as batsmen. Apart from babar, i don't see anyone. Too soon to judge fakhar. But where the other guys that should now replace hafeez, azhar and shoaib malik?

Our domestic structure always had trouble producing batsmen & we should not forget that. Three victories don't solve all of your problems.
 
We are doing well at the moment but lets not cover cracks with wall paper. We still lack behind in fielding, have no world class batsman or fast bowler.
 
Batting wise we do lack talent.

You would struggle to name on one hand the domestic batsmen capable of playing the modern game.

In tests as well as lack good bench strength when it comes to pacers
 
We do have some basic talent but it is not world class talent which someone is just naturally born with and someone who needs a considerable amount of hard work and investment.
 
An egg on the faces of all those people who say there is no talent in Pakistan.
 
PakLFC said:
We are doing well at the moment but lets not cover cracks with wall paper. We still lack behind in fielding, have no world class batsman or fast bowler.
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Are you sure we have no world class fast bowler?

I think we have four very good fast bowlers. They may not bowl 90mph but they are very good bowlers. Then we have Abbas and wahab Riaz, who I feel will come back strong.
If it's anything we have plenty of is world class fast bowlers and most experts actually envy us over our assembly line
 
Stewie said:
Are you sure we have no world class fast bowler?

I think we have four very good fast bowlers. They may not bowl 90mph but they are very good bowlers. Then we have Abbas and wahab Riaz, who I feel will come back strong.
If it's anything we have plenty of is world class fast bowlers and most experts actually envy us over our assembly line
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I think it will be very difficult for Wahab to make it back into the team now. The defeat against India is not going to be erased easily from everyone's minds.
 
Stewie said:
Are you sure we have no world class fast bowler?

I think we have four very good fast bowlers. They may not bowl 90mph but they are very good bowlers. Then we have Abbas and wahab Riaz, who I feel will come back strong.
If it's anything we have plenty of is world class fast bowlers and most experts actually envy us over our assembly line
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I say "fast bowlers" like speedsters in the Shoaib Akhter or Waqar Younis mould. This is not to suggest that we don't have excellent bowlers like Hasan and Junaid but they are not express pace.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] led the way in making such sweeping statements. He's been saying this since 2014 iirc!
 
No intelligent person believes Pakistan lacks talent, but it's shocking that even after failing time and time again players like Malik, Shehzad, Riaz are still picked
 
PakLFC said:
I say "fast bowlers" like speedsters in the Shoaib Akhter or Waqar Younis mould. This is not to suggest that we don't have excellent bowlers like Hasan and Junaid but they are not express pace.
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There are 'express" pacers as well. It's not like fast bowlers are born & ready made packed to bowl 150km from debut. You have to identify prospects at right age & give them a year or 2 baptism before they reach their top speed & that 1/2 years should start at genuine 19-21, not 23-29.

Problem is, if in his late 30s Wahab Riaz keeps a spot blocked for his fast spell 2.5 years back, it's difficult to bring fast bowlers, who won't emerge as a ready made product from current domestic system. It has to be the tougher route under the guidance of Arthur & his staff.

There should be at least one dozen genuine 19-21 years old kids in PAK at any given point of time, who can reach 140KM now without any professional guidance - couple of years of proper diet, training & coaching, few of them should reach 150KM+ with effort ball. Cricket is almost a 2nd religion among 200mn people - can't be true that there is not enough talent.

Bring Imran's scouting mantra - everything will be solved in 2 years regarding fast bowling at least. Fast bowlers picked in their 30s after faking comfortably 5 to 7 years of age doesn't produce better than Sohail Khan or Imran Khan (the recent one).
 
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[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

I am to happy today to debate! Mujhe maaza karne do!!!
 
Now Misbah is gone so everything will be OK.
Salman Butt's greed gave Misbah a chance to lay his hand on the helmet of Pak cricket and that guy killed positive cricket culture in Pak.
 
IndYeah1 said:
Where are the batsmen? Apart from Babar Azam, I struggle to remember any Pakistani young batsman who can bat with proper technique and score at decent rate in Limited Overs cricket. And even Babar is starting to show his chinks now that he doesn't have the novelty factor going for him anymore.

If after Babar, your next best batsman is 35(38) year old Shoaib Malik, then where is this myth-busting talent that you speak of?

I know everyone here is heartened by Fakhar Zaman's showing so far, but those who understand cricket recognize the shaky technical foundations of his batting. I mean, Pakistan have always had this sort of batsmen - Imran Nazir, Farhat, Sharjeel etc Where are the heirs to Zaheer Abbas, Saeed Anwar, heck even Inzy?
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It's a fair point, but I have always felt that politics got in the way for quite a few batsmen whose face didn't fit in the past. The problem was, until they were selected we rarely got to see them so the outside world would be mostly unaware of them.

The PSL has changed that somewhat, now players like Hasan Ali, Shadab and Rumman have shone when rubbing shoulders with the world's best so much harder to ignore them. Even Fakhar is 27 yrs old and was mostly ignored until now. The batting is weak at the moment, but the PSL might unearth some limited overs potential at least in the future. The days of sifarish should be mostly behind us with worldwide exposure to Pakistan's domestic players, although that is still limited at the moment to those that get selected for the PSL. But it's a start.
 
KyoOne said:
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] led the way in making such sweeping statements. He's been saying this since 2014 iirc!
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bujhee kom said:
He knows little about a lot.
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As usual, people are looking at "talent" from a wrong perspective. Any country that is obsessed with any sport and has a rich history in that sport will always have the potential to produce good players of that sport. It is not something to be proud of and it is not a miracle of God.

Pakistan has a cricketing heritage of 60 years and it is the official sport in the country since hockey is dead. Our govt. has not looked after this sport as well as it should have, but the amount of money that it has pumped into cricket is at a different level when you compare it to other sports. There will always be "talent" in Pakistan, but that doesn't mean anything.

You can have "talent" for any sport in any country if people develop a passion for it and you invest money into it. India has no rich history of football, but a lot of people are obsessed with it now and the govt. is investing a lot. 20 years down the line - maybe less, maybe more - they will play in a World Cup. That does not mean that God suddenly blessed them with "talent"; it simply means that they have started producing players after putting a system in place.

Consider China, the most populous country in the world. They are champions at Olympic sports, but now they have started pouring huge money in football. In a few decades, they will probably be ranked in the top 10 in FIFA Rankings. Similarly, if they start investing in cricket and the people develop an aptitude and liking for the game, they will become a major force in cricket 30-40 years from now.

Pakistan does not have any more or less cricket talent than any other country. The talent in any country is nothing but a reflection of the investment and the passion of the people. Pakistan's mediocrity over the years is nothing but a reflection of the mediocrity of its cricket structure. It is not surprising at all that we have seen improvements after two successful PSL seasons.

These young players have had a taste of playing under pressure along and against some top professionals. Players like Fakhar, Hasan, Shadab etc. have made quick strides because of the PSL experience, something that the previous generation of players like Hafeez, Malik, Kamran etc. did not have during their early cricketing years. Pakistani fans spent years sulking in the jealousy of the IPL and how it was helping Indian cricket, but now they realize the worth of having a competition like that.

Pakistan would not have won the Champions Trophy without the experience these young players gained in the PSL or the captaincy experience that Sarfraz gained after playing two PSL finals. Pakistan does not have any special cricketing talent or prowess that other countries have not been blessed with, but it seems like the delusion that somehow, God decided to bestow this 800,000 km^2 country in South Asia with more talent than any region the world gives the fans a lot of hope and belief.

Romanticism, hope, victim mentality and delusions have a played a massive role in shaping Pakistan cricket, and it has been quite a journey. Tears, joy, disappointment, elation. It has had everything, and if this is what people choose to believe, good for them.
 
No sane people will tell that there is no talent in Pakistan. In fact experts have always said that there is always abundance of talent in Pakistan, just that they need the right direction, discipline and professionalism to become successful in the modern game! As Pakistan have been a surprise package (unexpected) in this tournament, professional teams will now start analyzing their strengths and weaknesses, will work out strategies against them. With extensive coaching, videos, analysis, studies in the modern era, teams like India, Australia, England, South Africa will be up there. Pakistan should be careful & stick to their strength (natural talent) and at least don't make mistakes in selections, politics, over-enthusiasm, over-anger (during defeats), etc, they will be fine!

Feel like India having bilaterals with Pakistan now, it will be really interesting! But unfortunately its not possible :(
 
The cupboard seems completely empty at the moment. Our national teams middle order is a testament to that. People talking that was the overweight azam Khan selected , but what choice did the selectors have. They wanted someone who can hit sixers.
 
Their is enough talent to make an XI which would beat our current T20 squad
1. Khawaja Nafay
2. Sharjeel khan
3. Saud shakeel
4. Omair yusuf
5. Tayab Tahir
6. Sarfraz ahmed (C)
7. Danish Aziz
8. Mir Hamza
9. Abrwr Ahmed
10. Mohammad Hasnain
11. Shahnawaz Dahani
 
MilkyWay said:
my ears have started to hurt from people saying that there is no talent in pak...
the sadistic mindset of many people just keep throwing this negative view point and frankly its becoming a nuisance now...

look at the team.... Fakhar, Shadab, Fahim, Sharjeel, hussain talat, HASSAN ALI, Rumman, M Abbas, are smashing players... and with relatively young Harris Sohail, Umar Amin, M Asghar on the horizon and good under-19 guys like Hassan Mohsin, Umair Saddiq, saif badar, yasir jaan, Sahabzada Farhan (not sure if he is u-19 but looks like tht) and many others...y we keep pulling ourselves down...

we have talent, it needs polishing ... .... PSL will be a good platform for these guys to learn. not only from coaches but also from foreign players and not only cricketing skills but also behind the scene necessities like training routines, DIET, mental toughness and confidence improvement ...

So guys , stop this shananigans of NO TALENT ...
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OP mentioned 16 cream of crop talented players in 2017.


In 2024, Of them, Fakhar, Hasan Ali and Shadab have had good international careers.


Other 13 either underachieved or are not even in PSL reserves.
 
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