Where did Jaahid Ali and Zain Abbas go?

[BA56]

Jahid was picked for both A tours under Inzi and did well on both, looking like a genuine test opener.

Zain Abbas was on the A tour to Zimbabwe and had hundreds in both the FC and the OD game.

Both players are mysteriously missing from the emerging players camp but instead the first name on the list is Imam ul Haq.

Does that seem alright to you?

 

[Citizen4]

Imam was the 3rd highest scorer in the last QeA trophy if that helps, both of the other guys didnot perform recently

 

[Syed1]

I thought Jahid Ali was recently found out where he struggled to cope at a higher level of cricket.

Don't know about Zain Abbas.

 

[BA56]

Imam was the 3rd highest scorer in the last QeA trophy if that helps, both of the other guys didnot perform recently

How bad did they do to go from A team to not even in a 40 player upcoming players camp?

Smells like Inzi sidelining Imams competition.

 

[Abdullah719]

How bad did they do to go from A team to not even in a 40 player upcoming players camp?

Smells like Inzi sidelining Imams competition.

Imam-ul-Haq = 848 runs @ avg of 49.9 in QeA

Jahid Ali = 179 runs @ avg of 22.4 in QeA
Zain Abbas = 195 runs @ avg of 21.7 in QeA

 

[BA56]

Imam-ul-Haq = 848 runs @ avg of 49.9 in QeA

Jahid Ali = 179 runs @ avg of 22.4 in QeA
Zain Abbas = 195 runs @ avg of 21.7 in QeA

Again we are talking about an invitation to an emerging camp rather than team selection.

How do emerging players from A team suddenly not get invited to camp?

 

[Boi]

Even Saud Shakeel has been ignored.

 

[Abdullah719]

Again we are talking about an invitation to an emerging camp rather than team selection.

How do emerging players from A team suddenly not get invited to camp?

I don't find their non-selection to be very surprising when you look at their pathetic output in the latest FC tournament.

Some of the blame probably goes to the management because if I recall correctly, Jahid was benched during the Zimbabwe A tour 4-day games after having played a couple of good innings in England in the longer format. Instead, he played in the OD games in Zimbabwe where he struggled and then after that failed in QeA - loss of confidence could have played a part.

Not sure what happened with Zain because he did well on the Zim tour but then couldn't buy a run in QeA.

 

[srh]

I don't find their non-selection to be very surprising when you look at their pathetic output in the latest FC tournament.

Some of the blame probably goes to the management because if I recall correctly, Jahid was benched during the Zimbabwe A tour 4-day games after having played a couple of good innings in England in the longer format. Instead, he played in the OD games in Zimbabwe where he struggled and then after that failed in QeA - loss of confidence could have played a part.

Not sure what happened with Zain because he did well on the Zim tour but then couldn't buy a run in QeA.

OP has a point. You select a player for Pakistan A for an international tour and he performed admirably in foreign conditions and then you just give up on him? Is there any system in place?

 

[godzilla]

good thread - its a good example of just how stupid it is to extrapolate a small number of data points into a convicted opinion. jaahid was just ok on the a tour, and even then really old against the weaker teams - soil Lanka a were atrocious and lost everything. the rest of his stats have been extremely ordinary, and yet the usual suspects on pp were jumping up and down about him like fools.

conclusion - choose your conviction carefully and understand that one or two good innings alone mean nothing at all.

 

[srh]

good thread - its a good example of just how stupid it is to extrapolate a small number of data points into a convicted opinion. jaahid was just ok on the a tour, and even then really old against the weaker teams - soil Lanka a were atrocious and lost everything. the rest of his stats have been extremely ordinary, and yet the usual suspects on pp were jumping up and down about him like fools.

conclusion - choose your conviction carefully and understand that one or two good innings alone mean nothing at all.

so being the best batsman on the a tour is doing just ok? very stupid statement from you

 

[godzilla]

so being the best batsman on the a tour is doing just ok? very stupid statement from you

why don't you list the innings here.

 

[BA56]

Imam-ul-Haq = 848 runs @ avg of 49.9 in QeA

Jahid Ali = 179 runs @ avg of 22.4 in QeA
Zain Abbas = 195 runs @ avg of 21.7 in QeA

These stats aren't exactly horrific keeping in mind they missed half the season due to the tour to Zimbabwe and the wickets in domestic are like a lottery sometimes it's a 600 run fest sometimes its two innings a day cricket.

It seems a lot like the ignore good middle order batsmen tactics during Inzis captaincy reign.

 

[srh]

why don't you list the innings here.

Pakistan A tour of England, 2016 - First-class matches
Jaahid Ali scored 160 runs in 4 innings; Average 40
ranked #6 Pakistani batsman by average
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...er.html?category=3;class=4;id=10781;type=tour

Pakistan A tour of England, 2016 along with Sri Lanka A - List A matches
Jaahid Ali scored 180 runs in 4 innings; Average 90
ranked #1 Pakistani batsman by average

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...er.html?category=3;class=5;id=10781;type=tour

 

[BA56]

Also there is only one other opener picked for the camp, someone who has just one season of FC cricket under his belt.

Now I'm not implying that Imam didn't deserve selection for the camp, but I am saying that it seems the road ahead is being made easier for him.

 

[godzilla]

Pakistan A tour of England, 2016 - First-class matches
Jaahid Ali scored 160 runs in 4 innings; Average 40
ranked #6 Pakistani batsman by average
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...er.html?category=3;class=4;id=10781;type=tour

Pakistan A tour of England, 2016 along with Sri Lanka A - List A matches
Jaahid Ali scored 180 runs in 4 innings; Average 90
ranked #1 Pakistani batsman by average

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...er.html?category=3;class=5;id=10781;type=tour

so a total of six innings. (before you start making accusations of stupidity, perhaps you should learn to read your own stats, the second one is of his playing 2 innings) and theres no indication of the quality of opposition in those lists. it includes the Sri Lankans who everyone was hitting centuries against for fun.

contrast that with his fc record:

41 innings with an average of under 31.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/512200.html

and you think its not incredibly stupid to campaign for his promotion to the first team based on those stats? in what world is it not incredibly stupid to pick someone who can't play a poor domestic league based on a few flukey innings in one campaign?

 

[Hawkeye]

Do people know something?

Jahid, Imam, Saud, - they're all folks with good potential. BUT, they're NOT the players for modern LOI cricket.

We don't have many problems when it comes to opening in Tests.

Our LOi batting is non-existent.

 

[srh]

so a total of six innings. (before you start making accusations of stupidity, perhaps you should learn to read your own stats, the second one is of his playing 2 innings) and theres no indication of the quality of opposition in those lists. it includes the Sri Lankans who everyone was hitting centuries against for fun.

contrast that with his fc record:

41 innings with an average of under 31.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/512200.html

and you think its not incredibly stupid to campaign for his promotion to the first team based on those stats? in what world is it not incredibly stupid to pick someone who can't play a poor domestic league based on a few flukey innings in one campaign?

so his performance on away tour in alien conditions was fluke?

 

[Hasan123]

Jaahid Ali should stick to 1st class cricket and trying to get a slot in the test team.

 

[Brilliance]

Do people know something?

Jahid, Imam, Saud, - they're all folks with good potential. BUT, they're NOT the players for modern LOI cricket.

We don't have many problems when it comes to opening in Tests.

Our LOi batting is non-existent.

You can't say that Saud isn't a player for modern LOIs without him getting a chance in any of the recent OD or T20 tournaments.

 

[Abdullah719]

Zain Abbas scored a hundred in Grade II cricket for Multan against AJK last week - 116 off 178 balls as Multan won by an innings and 111 runs.

 

[GreenMasterz007]

Back to domestic .. Maybe they're not worthy of intl cricket

 

[Pete Rose]

Imam ul Haq had a pretty awful strike rate in the recently concluded regional one day tournament.

 

[Abdullah719]

Both are playing in the ongoing QEA Trophy.

Jaahid is playing for KRL this season and got his first substantial score in a while today (80).

 

[Abdullah719]

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[mastersaan10]

Saud has better shots than imam and can easily replace him in Odis