Which country has produced most number of quality fast bowlers?

[Madplayer]

Windies?
Australia?
Pakistan?

 

[cricketjoshila]

1.Australia 2.WI 3.Pak/SA

 

[AZ]

Barbados.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Barbados.

LoL yea.

 

[Robert]

England, speaking historically.

Just not many of them in the last 30 years.......

 

[Saqs]

More recently it has to be Windies and Pak. As in since the 70s.

 

[Space Cat]

Windies by a long distance if you can count them as a country in this.

 

[RexRex]

England, speaking historically.

Just not many of them in the last 30 years.......

The OP mentioned quality.WI would come out on top - Garner , Ambrose , Walsh , Malcolm , Andy , Holding just to name the cream.*drools*

 

[Executioner]

as a whole WI, but thats not a country, its a group of countries so lets get them out of the equation

ill go with england, even their present pace attack is decent, broad, andersen and most impressive of all-finn

 

[Robert]

The OP mentioned quality.WI would come out on top - Garner , Ambrose , Walsh , Malcolm , Andy , Holding just to name the cream.*drools*

Kortwright, Larwood, Vose, Bowes, Farnes, Trueman, Statham, Tyson, Snow, Willis.....

 

[shah_1]

Australia

 

[khanz141]

Historically and all the way till 21st century- West indies
80s to 2009(Amir and Asif being the last)- Pakistan
Recently- South Africa and Australia

 

[AlizeeFan]

Australia

 

[talha3]

Historically and all the way till 21st century- West indies
80s to 2009(Amir and Asif being the last)- Pakistan
Recently- South Africa and Australia

I would go with this.

 

[RexRex]

Kortwright, Larwood, Vose, Bowes, Farnes, Trueman, Statham, Tyson, Snow, Willis.....

Hmmm those were the amateur days and cricket was essentially a two-horse race ...

 

[Zaz]

Windies, i can name dozens of genuine speedsters that played for them at one point or another

 

[cricketjoshila]

I would go with this.

Australia only recently?You sure of that?

Lillee,Mcgrath,Lee,Gillespie,Mcdermott,Miller,Lindwall,Davidson,Thomson,Reid.......I guess they have been better than Pakistan and only beaten by West Indies.

 

[shah_1]

Australia only recently?You sure of that?

Lillee,Mcgrath,Lee,Gillespie,Mcdermott,Miller,Lindwall,Davidson,Thomson,Reid.......I guess they have been better than Pakistan and only beaten by West Indies.

Australia have produced more quality bowlers than WI.

WI had best pace attack assembled together in 1970s, 1980s, but if you look at the history then it has to be Australia


Australia are still producing quality fast bowlers

 

[shakil]

Have to go with Australia for consistently produces quality pacers year after year.

England had a sort of bleak period in the mid 90s and early 2000s baring Darren Gough and WI since mid to late 2000s (when Ambrose and Walsh retired)

Andrew Caddick, Gough, Mullali, Mark Elham, Ben Holloick vs Hughes, McDermot, McGrath, Flemming, Brendom Julian vs Pedro Collins, Merv Dillon, Franklin Rose

Australia for me

 

[talha3]

Australia only recently?You sure of that?

Lillee,Mcgrath,Lee,Gillespie,Mcdermott,Miller,Lindwall,Davidson,Thomson,Reid.......I guess they have been better than Pakistan and only beaten by West Indies.

Who said Australia only recently? I agree they have been better than Pakistan overall but Pakistan was better in that period (80s to 2009) and West Indies has been better than them overall (as you've stated).

 

[Austin 3:16]

Pakistan

 

[leatherface58]

West Indies
Holding Garner Roberts Marshall Ambrose Walsh Bishop Hall Griffiths Daniel

List was just never ending. Hope I havent forgot someone.

Of the current lot, Roach doesnt have the height. But he seems to have the talent and pace to atleast be remembered as a very good pacer if not a great.

 

[Robert]

Hmmm those were the amateur days and cricket was essentially a two-horse race ...

All those bowlers were professionals, and WI and SA have been good since the 1950s.

If you want one nation which has provided the maximum number of good fast bowlers per capita, the answer (as given above) is Barbados, I think (Hall, Griffith, Daniel, Garner, Marshall, Edwards, Roach; even Sobers could bowl fast when he felt like it).

 

[asif9138]

I think India!

Munaf, Irfan, Dinda, Balaji, Ishant, serisant, Vinay kumar nehra rp singh zaheer...in last few years!

 

[ads101]

Pakistan probably.

 

[Kwremb]

Windies if you could take it as a country

 

[bmwduran]

Windies?
Australia?
Pakistan?

surprisingly, no india?

 

[bmwduran]

Mohammed Khan
Fazal Mahmood
Imran Khan
Sarfaraz Nawaz
Wasim Akram
Waqar Younis
Aqib Javed
Mohammed Zahid
Shoaib Akhtar
Mohammed Asif
Mohammed Amir
Umar gul
Wasim Chaati (95 mph), Imran told him to fix his run-up during early 80s. The guy was a beast from Gujranwala, with two steps he could bowl at 95 mph

 

[azimiqbal]

Australia have produced more quality bowlers than WI.

WI had best pace attack assembled together in 1970s, 1980s, but if you look at the history then it has to be Australia


Australia are still producing quality fast bowlers

australia best attack in 80's? you are kidding right?

marshall, holding, garner etcc

 

[Bilal7]

Historically, its a three way tie between Australia, West Indies and Pakistan.

Recently though, South Africa is the only country who has produced world class pacers. England had their reputation thrashed by South Africa but they have the ability to build it up again while Pakistan and Australia have some young pacers that seem to have a bright future ahead of them.

 

[Canistani Hero]

Windies.

 

[Justcrazy]

There is a difference between quality and quantity.

Quantity wise its England , Quality wise its Australia.

 

[Madplayer]

surprisingly, no india?

No one can match the mighty Indian fast bowlers.. please Give poor westindian pacers a chance to be recognised.

 

[Itachi]

England or australia.... They are playing for 200 years. Atleast by mistake some good bowlers can come out of england. Australia has quality.

 

[Itachi]

No one can match the mighty Indian fast bowlers.. please Give poor westindian pacers a chance to be recognised.

You said country. WI is not a country.

 

[Executioner]

dont agree that pakistan has produced the most, but they certainly produced two of the best All-round pace bowlers in the history of cricket, dont even need to mention their name

While many other legendary bowlers would not be as lethal as they were in those days, these 2 with their tow crushing and inswinging yorkers will make most batsman have nightmares.

TBH, pakistan wouldve been renowned for producing talented pacers, had asif and amir been still playing. I remember that yorker amir bowled at tamim in the 2010 T20 WC, tamim completely lost his balance. thats called class!

 

[Itachi]

dont agree that pakistan has produced the most, but they certainly produced two of the best All-round pace bowlers in the history of cricket, dont even need to mention their name

While many other legendary bowlers would not be as lethal as they were in those days, these 2 with their tow crushing and inswinging yorkers will make most batsman have nightmares.

TBH, pakistan wouldve been renowned for producing talented pacers, had asif and amir been still playing. I remember that yorker amir bowled at tamim in the 2010 T20 WC, tamim completely lost his balance. thats called class!

erm.... No offece (and no cheap shots) but tamim isn't a good benchmark to rate a bowler. if you talk about amla, tendu, KP, Ponting then its different.

 

[Madplayer]

You said country. WI is not a country.

But they are one team.. Thats what i meant..

 

[bmwduran]

erm.... No offece (and no cheap shots) but tamim isn't a good benchmark to rate a bowler. if you talk about amla, tendu, KP, Ponting then its different.

Ahem ahem, Tendu was foxed by Amir, ponting was bamboozled and check for KP,

 

[Gilly]

Ahem ahem, Tendu was foxed by Amir, ponting was bamboozled and check for KP,

I get your point, Ponting only averages 58 in matches where Amir was bowling.

 

[anakin]

I get your point, Ponting only averages 58 in matches where Amir was bowling.

Own'd!!!

 

[DRS]

Australia cause their bowlers are consistent. I dont Rate england much because half of their team is made up of players imported from different countries. Their case is much like of WI.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Who said Australia only recently? I agree they have been better than Pakistan overall but Pakistan was better in that period (80s to 2009) and West Indies has been better than them overall (as you've stated).

Pakistan better than AUS in 2000s?Mcgrath alone perhaps owns all Pakistani Fast bowlers in 2000s.Add to that Lee and Gillespie.I guess in 80s and till mid 90s Pakistan had better bowlers no doubt but then Australia led the way again.through late 90s 2000s and before 1980s as well.Overall Australia thorough history i presume.

 

[justarslan]

Pakistan better than AUS in 2000s?Mcgrath alone perhaps owns all Pakistani Fast bowlers in 2000s.Add to that Lee and Gillespie.I guess in 80s and till mid 90s Pakistan had better bowlers no doubt but then Australia led the way again.through late 90s 2000s and before 1980s as well.Overall Australia thorough history i presume.

McGrath was a medium fast like Razzaq and Azhar Mahmood.

 

[Sandeep]

Pak had only Wasim,Waqar,Imran,Akthar to be honest! Sarfraz Nawaz to an extent... Australia and England have been producing higy quality bowlers from 19th century and West Indies are not behind Pakistan too!

 

[Punk27]

Brett Lee is overrated as is Mitchell Johnson. Best fast bowlers these days are south Africans.

 

[DHONI183]

India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

McGrath was a medium fast like Razzaq and Azhar Mahmood.

LoL.Mcgrath when he started was a 90MPH bowler he later reduced his pace.And what has pace got to do with anything here?This thread is about quality fast bowling and Mcgrath in terms of quality will probably be better than any sub continental bowler and almost every bowler in history.

563 test wickets @ 21 with a S/R of 52.

How many bowlers can you find with that kind of stat.Considering he bowled in 2000s without the luxury of bowling unlimited overhead bouncers.

Azhar Mahmood or Razzaq are not even fit to tie his shoelaces.

I am afraid but in terms of sheer performance Mcgrath even surpasses Imran and Wasim(i am a fan of both IK and Wasim).

 

[DHONI183]

LoL.Mcgrath when he started was a 90MPH bowler he later reduced his pace.And what has pace got to do with anything here?This thread is about quality fast bowling and Mcgrath in terms of quality will probably be better than any sub continental bowler and almost every bowler in history.

563 test wickets @ 21 with a S/R of 52.

How many bowlers can you find with that kind of stat.Considering he bowled in 2000s without the luxury of bowling unlimited overhead bouncers.

Azhar Mahmood or Razzaq are not even fit to tie his shoelaces.

I am afraid but in terms of sheer performance Mcgrath even surpasses Imran and Wasim(i am a fan of both IK and Wasim).

Yeah, from what I can remember, Glenn McGrath was quite pacy in the 1999 World Cup.

 

[Sandeep]

McGrath was a medium fast like Razzaq and Azhar Mahmood.

You've lost all your credibility that existed with this statement..

 

[Bewal Express]

There is a difference between producing fast bowlers and quality fast bowlers. As far as purely fast bowlers goes we have since i have been watching produced 5 fast bowlers:Imran, Wasim(only bowled quick sometimes),Waqar,Zahid and Shohaib and they also happended to be quality fast bowlers. Whereas bowlers like Holdsworth and Tait from Aus were very quick but you could never describe them as quality.

 

[Gilly]

Lawson, Hughes, McDermott, Mc Grath, Gillespie, Fleming, Bichel, Clarke, Reid, Lillee, Thompson, Harris, Bolinger, Hogg, Pascoe, Rieffel, Walker, Alderman, Dymock and WA Johnson were all quality bowlers.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Australia
Windies
Pakistan

 

[The WagonWheel]

West Indies then the daylight and then Pakistan ... the key to answering this question doesn't only lie in naming the players who played for their countries but in the players who could not break into their respective national sides in spite of being bloody good ...

Players of caliber of Wayne Daniels, Sylvester Clarke, Franklyn Stephenson would probably just walk into all time XIs for most of the cricketing sides and let alone the national sides. Then there were Tony Gray, Norbert Philip, Winston Benjamin to name a few ... Man ! those windies were quality ..

 

[Singham]

If Imran was the selector, he would have found many quality pacers in Pak.

 

[Inherent Ignorance]

As a cricketing entity - West Indies
As a country - Australia

I guess......

 

[Gotham Cronie]

Poll added

 

[MRSN]

Australia

 

[Harsh Thakor]

My list

Australia-Ray Lindwall,Keith Miller,Alan Davidson.Graham Mackenzie,Dennis Lillee,Jeff Thomson,Terry Alderman,Glen Mcgrath,Brett Lee,Geoff Lawson,Max Walker,Gary Gilmour,Len Pascoe .

West Indies,Wes Hall,Charlie Griffiths,Frank King,Roy Gilchrist,Andy Roberts,Michael Holding.Joel Garner,Colin Croft,Malcolm Marshall.Courtney Walsh,Curtly Ambrose,Patrick Paterson,Sylvester Clarke,Wayne Daniel,Tony Gray.

England-Harold Larwood,Sydney Barnes,Spofforth,George Lohmann,Bill Voce ,Fred Trueman,Brian Statham.John Snow,Bob Willis,Ian Botham,Graham Dilley,Neil Forster,Domin Cork,James Anderson,Matthew Hoggard,Steve Harmison,Tim Bresnan.

Pakistan-Fazal Mahmood,Sarafraz Nawaz,Imran Khan,Wasim Akram,Waqar Younus ,Aqib Javed,Waqar Younus ,Shoaib Akhtar,Mohammad Asif

Richard Hadlee was the only fast bowling great from New Zeland while Kapil Dev,Srinath and Mohammad Nissar were the only outstanding paceman from India.However they were all fast -medium.

In terms of pure ,lethal pace West Indies have the greatest battery of genuinely quick bowlers from Frank King to Curtly Ambrose.Even bowlers who hardly played test cricket posessed deadly pace like Sylvester Clarke and Patrick Paterson.

However if I just selected an alltime pace attack Pakistan may well come up trumps.Imagine Imran Khan Wasim Akram ,Waqar Younus,andShoaib Akhtar in one team..This may well be the most lethal of all country's all-time pace attacks,combining speed ,hostility ,swing ,accuracy or every ingredient for a perfect pace attack.An attack comprising Dennis Lillee,Ray Lindwall,Glen Mcgrath,JeffThomson or Alan Davidson for Australia or Andy Roberts,Michael Holding,Curtly Ambrose and Malcolm Marshall, for West Indies may not match the might of the Pakistan attack.Pakistan has greater variations in their pace attack with a great left-armer in Wasim Akram an arguably the speediest pacemen of all in Shoaib Akhtar.For producing swing Imran,Wasim and Waqar were more effective than any pace bowlers ever.

 

[cricketfanfirst]

Without a shadow of doubt, West Indies produced the greatest fast bowlers in history. The best bowling attack in history was from WI team of 1970s and 1980s. Imagine the woes of batsmen facing the likes of Marshall, Holding, Garner, Roberts/Croft from both ends.

The next position would be Australia and finally Pakistan.

 

[HaMmy FinE LeG StriKeR]

who introduced reverse swing??

NONE other than pakistan

 

[khanz141]

England has produced a lot of fast bowlers but you can't call them a very good quality, or they just never fulfilled their potential.

Pakistan, west indies and Australia on the other hand have produced quality fast bowlers.

 

[jeetu]

Bowlers with under 25 avg with min 100 wickets
Aus - Mcgrath , Lilee , Lindwall , Davidson , Miller , Reid , Turner (7)
Eng - Truman , Statham , Bedser , Barnes , Lohmann (5)
WI - Walsh , Ambrose , Marshall , Garner , Bishop , Croft (6)
Pak - Akram , Waqar , Imran , Holding , Fazal , Asif (6)
SA - Pollock , Donald , Steyn , Pllock , Adcock (5)
NZ - Hadlee (1)
So Australia gets my vote

 

[lilFlip]

^Add Amir to Pak he is coming pronto

 

[waqar_ahmad]

If Imran was the selector, he would have found many quality pacers in Pak.

This.

Has to be WI and Pak.

 

[talha3]

Bowlers with under 25 avg with min 100 wickets
Aus - Mcgrath , Lilee , Lindwall , Davidson , Miller , Reid , Turner (7)
Eng - Truman , Statham , Bedser , Barnes , Lohmann (5)
WI - Walsh , Ambrose , Marshall , Garner , Bishop , Croft (6)
Pak - Akram , Waqar , Imran , Holding , Fazal , Asif (6)
SA - Pollock , Donald , Steyn , Pllock , Adcock (5)
NZ - Hadlee (1)
So Australia gets my vote

Ah yes, Holding was a legendary pakistani bowler.

 

[gengiskhan]

WEST INDIES: Marshall, Holding, Croft, Roberts, Walsh, Ambrose, Garner, Hall, Griffith, Bishop.

These are legit "great" bowlers.

followed by Australia.

Pakistan & South Africa tied for 3rd spot.

 

[Madplayer]

Pcb should literally beg Imran to find them couple of fast bowlers with potential to become future greats..

 

[wrongun]

There were several periods when WI could have fielded 2 top quality test attacks at once. No country can match them for sheer numbers of top quality bowlers. I mean for years Courtney Walsh was their 2nd change bowler who hardly got a go.

In fact the island of Barbados alone at one point had an attack consisting of Malcolm Marshall, Joel Garner, Wayne Daniel and Sylvester Clarke! I have heard more than one batsman of that era say Clarke & Daniel were even more terrifying & destructive on their day than any other WI bowler (batsmen who faced them domestically or in County cricket or tour matches and the like).

 

[wrongun]

Pcb should literally beg Imran to find them couple of fast bowlers with potential to become future greats..

He should make this a campaign promise in the next election, he will be president by a landslide margin!

 

[LethalSami]

to make it a fair comparison...it must be post WWII stats.

since ENG and AUS would have unfair advantage when we don't do that

and bowlers from 19th century?? u gotta be kidding me

 

[Madplayer]

where do people rank South africa now after the emergence of steyn, philander and morkel?

 

[hhhhdmt]

Even though Mcgrath is easily one of the finest fast bowlers, he wasnt ever a genuinely quick bowler. I don't think he was ever 90mph consistently. There is a difference between bowling the odd 90mph delivery. He wasn't an out and out quick like young Waqar or Donald. He may still rate higher than them, but he wasn't a 90mph bowler. Nothing wrong with that though.

If you look at post 1970, West indies win hands down. if you are talking about genuinely great bowlers, WI have:

Roberts, Holding, Garner, Marshall, Ambrose and Walsh.

Aus have:

Mcgrath and Lillee

Pak have:

Imran, Wasim and Waqar

SA have:

Donald, Pollock and Steyn

WI wins hands down.

 

[hhhhdmt]

Pak had only Wasim,Waqar,Imran,Akthar to be honest! Sarfraz Nawaz to an extent... Australia and England have been producing higy quality bowlers from 19th century and West Indies are not behind Pakistan too!

West indies are ahead of Pakistan quite comfortably.

 

[Dark Magician]

Mohammed Khan
Fazal Mahmood
Imran Khan
Sarfaraz Nawaz
Wasim Akram
Waqar Younis
Aqib Javed
Mohammed Zahid
Shoaib Akhtar
Mohammed Asif
Mohammed Amir
Umar gul
Wasim Chaati (95 mph), Imran told him to fix his run-up during early 80s. The guy was a beast from Gujranwala, with two steps he could bowl at 95 mph

Two steps? Do you really believe that?

 

[Statistics375]

West Indies followed by Pakistan.

 

[akheR]

Let's compare from 1952, when Pak got its Test status.

If by "quality fast bowlers" you mean the +300 Test wickets/-25 average ones, Pakistan has produced three of them (Imran Khan, Waqar Younis & Wasim Akram).
If by "quality" you mean by skills and/or pace you can add tons of names (Fazal Mahmood, Sarfraz Nawaz, Shoaib Akhtar, Mohammad Zahid, Mohammad Asif, ...)

Also, if it wasn't for its international isolation, I think South Africa would have been ahead of PAK and AUS and slightly behind WI (Vince van der Bijl, Mike Procter, Garth Le Roux, ... and more recently Allan Donald, Shaun Pollock and Dale Steyn but also "less rated" like Fanie de Villiers, Brett Schultz or Makhaya Ntini)

Otherwise I'd say we're pretty much on par with AUS since that period, and obviously behind WI (but what if the likes of Mohammad Zahid - to take one name - had to bowl on the same pitches, conditions, ... as, let's say, Michael Holding ? Would injuries have dwindled his career for instance ?).

To be fair there's no competition for WI for the #1 spot ; forget "West Indies", Barbados, with a population of barely 200,000, has produced more pacers than some other Test playing countries (where some actually didn't produce a single one of note).

But peoples have to keep in mind it's impossible to sustain a long career by being a fast bowler in Asia. And if you do, even more so to take +300 wickets @ (especially) less than 25 average ; just try to understand the efforts Imran Khan/Waqar Younis/Wasim Akram had to put in collecting 5fers there (and compare with the "line and length"/seam specialist Glenn McGrath in terms of 5fers in Asia), and you'll see how Pakistan stands out from at least its Asian neighbours.

 

[Vayuu]

Even though Mcgrath is easily one of the finest fast bowlers, he wasnt ever a genuinely quick bowler. I don't think he was ever 90mph consistently. There is a difference between bowling the odd 90mph delivery. He wasn't an out and out quick like young Waqar or Donald. He may still rate higher than them, but he wasn't a 90mph bowler. Nothing wrong with that though.

If you look at post 1970, West indies win hands down. if you are talking about genuinely great bowlers, WI have:

Roberts, Holding, Garner, Marshall, Ambrose and Walsh.

Aus have:

Mcgrath and Lillee

Pak have:

Imran, Wasim and Waqar

SA have:

Donald, Pollock and Steyn

WI wins hands down.

You r forgetting about sylvester Clarke

sent from dil se

 

[Kianig89]

WI PAK AUS

on finger tips i can name
WI - Marshall Holding Roberts Croft Garner Ambrose Walsh (i missed Wesley Hall)
then Bishop Cummins Benjamin although they didn't played much but were very threatening

PAK- Wasim Waqar Imran Sarfraz Akhtar Fazaf
Aaqib Zahid Sami Shabbir all had potential but didn't played much

then the tainted duo Asif Amir

Aus- Lille Thmopson Mcgrath Lee

then tier 2 Mcdermott Fleming Kasrowicz Bichel Johnson

 

[Kianig89]

West Indies win hands down selecting 4 out of 5 top bowlers must be a tough ask for Clive

Holding Roberts Garner Croft Marshall