Which country have you enjoyed visiting the most, and where would you choose to live if given the chance?

[mominsaigol]

The best country I've visited for only a short period (1-2 weeks)

Japan: Honestly these guys are living in 2500, only issue is the language barrier and I assume the locals born their aren't too happy with the rigorous schooling amd work systems but as a foreigners, good God this country has everything.

Aka: Cultural activities that easily surpass anything in Europe.

Technological advanced: These guys have restraunts with robot servers, public self cleaning glass toilets, space pod hotels, and im convinced the whole country is powered by AI lol.

Free coke cola at certain stalls as long as you sign their public support forums, but who cares since I can't read Japanese and idk what I'm signing or supporting anyway

Gaming and Anime Heaven, not to mention killer samurai movies and gear.

Transport system is 2nd to UK, however they are bloody expensive.


Countries that I've spent more then 4 to 5 months in

Aus > Canada > USA > England.

Travel and entertainment wise England = USA >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aus and Canada,

But in terms of living England and USA aren't that great imo.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Russia

Besides the country itself being beautiful and very well planned and managed, i found Russians very friendly, courteous, family oriented, less noisy people. All the qualities that i like about people, especially to countries i travel to. Not to mention the Russian beauty is really something and the 10/10 women mostly carry themselves very elegantly which isn’t the case in West.

 

[sweep_shot]

I was born in Bangladesh and lived there till I was 15. After that, I moved to Canada and been living here for 19 years.

I have visited USA and UK. So, I have been to 4 countries. From these 4 countries, I think Canada is the best.

For me, best country to live in would be Saudi Arabia because I want to live and work in Mecca or Medina (religious reason).

 

[DeadlyVenom]

UK infrastructure is crumbling but the people, institutions, entertainment and day to day living is better than most countries.

In retirement I wouldn't mind Pakistan ( if I had money enough to not have to get involved with wider society) or an East Asian country.

 

[mominsaigol]

Russia

Besides the country itself being beautiful and very well planned and managed, i found Russians very friendly, courteous, family oriented, less noisy people. All the qualities that i like about people, especially to countries i travel to. Not to mention the Russian beauty is really something and the 10/10 women mostly carry themselves very elegantly which isn’t the case in West.

Never travelled their. But wish to

 

[mominsaigol]

UK infrastructure is crumbling but the people, institutions, entertainment and day to day living is better than most countries.

In retirement I wouldn't mind Pakistan ( if I had money enough to not have to get involved with wider society) or an East Asian country.

Studied in UK for 3 years and it was okay

Best things about UK are that if you're looking to travel then it's second to none. It's transport and culture is great and every tourist will have a blast.

Plus it's in close proximity to France and Germany and the rest of Europe so they aren't land locked to a specific city unlike Australia.

They have brilliant universities, good entertainment, excellent culture, good food, amazing transport, but work environment is very tough for graduates who are paid next to nothing.

20,000 to 40,000 a year isn't enough to cover anything. The housing system is a joke.

In UK I paid 250 Pounds a week to stay in a crap house. Worst place I've ever lived and sadly most of them are like that.

The same.price in Australia (pound to aud equivalent) buys you a 2 bedroom apartment filled with a TV, Kitchen set, 2 unsuited bathrooms and a king and queen size bed.m in 2 seprate rooms.

And their health care system is medicore compared to aus health care system. However their doctors are > Aussie doctors in terms of skills and profession.

living wise I would still put Aus > Canada > USA > UK.

But travel wise I'd put UK > USA > Canada > Aus. Aus is too remote and all their cities are virtually the same. Culture here is non existent.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Have been to around 15 i think.
Best place I feel depends on the company and the context you had at the time of visit.
For me it is Singapore followed by Maldives and Australia.

 

[mominsaigol]

Have been to around 15 i think.
Best place I feel depends on the company and the context you had at the time of visit.
For me it is Singapore followed by Maldives and Australia.

No clue about maldives but yes, Singapore > Australia.

Here's my ranking of the countries I've visited

1) Japan

2) Singapore

3) Switzerland

4) New Zealand

5) Australia (doesn't really count cause I libe here but eh)

6) Germany

7) Canada

8) UK

9) Malaysia

10) USA

11) China

12) Hong Kong

13) Thailand

14) Ireland

15) UAE

16) Pakistan

17) Iraq

Actually? Swap Germany for Australia. Germany is better imo.

But again it's different cause I live in aus so I'm desensitised to it's attractions and events.

 

[Bhaijaan]

No clue about maldives but yes, Singapore > Australia.

Here's my ranking of the countries I've visited

1) Japan

2) Singapore

3) Switzerland

4) New Zealand

5) Australia (doesn't really count cause I libe here but eh)

6) Germany

7) Canada

8) UK

9) Malaysia

10) USA

11) China

12) Hong Kong

13) Thailand

14) Ireland

15) UAE

16) Pakistan

17) Iraq

Actually? Swap Germany for Australia. Germany is better imo.

But again it's different cause I live in aus so I'm desensitised to it's attractions and events.

Tell us more about the Iraq trip.

 

[mominsaigol]

Tell us more about the Iraq trip.

Horrible Horrible country.

No one speaks English over their, so we had to use translators. But it's so god damn irritating that no one speaks English their.

Secondly the food over their has to be the worst food to ever exist. They don't marinate their chicken. Actually they don't even cook anything .

In terms of tourists, it's easy for men, but difficult for women. It doesn't matter if your American, Indian, Korean, they don't bloody care,

Every women just wear all black with their heads, arms and legs covered and even their faces covered, only their eyes must be visible.

And again it doesn't matter if you're not Muslim, you can be American and they'll force you to wear it as long as you're a girl.

Then in terms of sight seeing, theirs absolutely nothing over their besides shrines. The only good thing about Iraq ans why most people visit is Babylon + koofa.

Babylon is one of the oldest civilization in the world and to Iraq's credit, they've maintained it very well, and Koofa is the birth place of Adam and Eve, or rather then birthplace, more so its the first place they landed when they were thrown out of the garden of Eve, or in Muslim terms, thrown out of Jannat.

and it's these 2 interactions why people visit and that's it.

Women and men are also monitored heavily, like I can't even take a picture qith my mom or my baby cousin, since for some reason they view it as a romantic interaction, to take a picture they must be standing a bit away from me, God forbid I wrap my arm around them.

Then when it accessories, Absolutely nothing is allowed. If they catch women with makeup or jewellery on, they'll be hell to pay, I also consiatelty wear neck chains and bracelets on my right wrist and a watch on my left wrist.

They told me to take it off, even when I tried to wear it in a safe zone, some local would always come and cause a massive rukus and threaten it their own language lol.

Then ofcourse Internet access is strictly monitored over their, just try, I repeat try to use a vpn, I dare you .

The funniest part of the whole trip, is that they have one good mall, I decided to visit it to watch a mcu movie( Captain Marvel) at the time and the movie was in their Arabic with no subtitles .

 

[rickroll]

Horrible Horrible country.

No one speaks English over their, so we had to use translators. But it's so god damn irritating that no one speaks English their.

Secondly the food over their has to be the worst food to ever exist. They don't marinate their chicken. Actually they don't even cook anything .

In terms of tourists, it's easy for men, but difficult for women. It doesn't matter if your American, Indian, Korean, they don't bloody care,

Every women just wear all black with their heads, arms and legs covered and even their faces covered, only their eyes must be visible.

And again it doesn't matter if you're not Muslim, you can be American and they'll force you to wear it as long as you're a girl.

Then in terms of sight seeing, theirs absolutely nothing over their besides shrines. The only good thing about Iraq ans why most people visit is Babylon + koofa.

Babylon is one of the oldest civilization in the world and to Iraq's credit, they've maintained it very well, and Koofa is the birth place of Adam and Eve, or rather then birthplace, more so its the first place they landed when they were thrown out of the garden of Eve, or in Muslim terms, thrown out of Jannat.

and it's these 2 interactions why people visit and that's it.

Women and men are also monitored heavily, like I can't even take a picture qith my mom or my baby cousin, since for some reason they view it as a romantic interaction, to take a picture they must be standing a bit away from me, God forbid I wrap my arm around them.

Then when it accessories, Absolutely nothing is allowed. If they catch women with makeup or jewellery on, they'll be hell to pay, I also consiatelty wear neck chains and bracelets on my right wrist and a watch on my left wrist.

They told me to take it off, even when I tried to wear it in a safe zone, some local would always come and cause a massive rukus and threaten it their own language lol.

Then ofcourse Internet access is strictly monitored over their, just try, I repeat try to use a vpn, I dare you .

The funniest part of the whole trip, is that they have one good mall, I decided to visit it to watch a mcu movie( Captain Marvel) at the time and the movie was in their Arabic with no subtitles .

Very interesting to read this.

 

[rickroll]

I've been to 34 countries so far (over many years) with time in each country ranging from 1 - 4 weeks. At least for me visiting a country seems different from living there. I found myself loving things when on vacation but did not like things when I spoke with expats living there.

My family and I love outdoors and nature a lot. Many of our trips have involved hiking and I love the idea of sustainable off grid living in your land. I think the top choice for me would be NZ especially the South island. Of course this assumes our financial obligations (and thus need to work) are not a factor anymore.

For my work years, boring good ol' US or a near US time zone tax efficient country is ideal (just being realistic). I work in Finance (Private Equity) and the opportunities are highest in the US market for my line of work. I know this thread is the suspended animation of work not being an issue but just throwing this in ad a factor.

Australia is good but man, maybe I have seen too many Aussie animal videos in youtube. I cannot peacefully enjoy the outdoors there thanks to my fear of poisonous critters (I'm sure my fear is overstated).

Worst experience for me was Czech Republic. I had multiple rude and racist experiences. I'm sure the people are wonderful but I had the misfortune of running into bad people.

 

[emranabbas]

Having been born and raised in the UK, I’ve always maintained a strong connection to Pakistan, and the idea of moving there has always been appealing. If Pakistan were to grant me nationality and I had the financial means to set up a business, I wouldn’t hesitate to make the move from next week

 

[Mas-LFC]

Been to 5 different countries so far. Enjoyed Morocco the most. If I could’ve had it my way, if I wasn’t the oldest in the family, I’d definitely married a Moroccan girl and settled in Morocco and opened a business there. Or go there and stay there 4-5 months a year, especially avoid winter in UK.

 

[mominsaigol]

Been to 5 different countries so far. Enjoyed Morocco the most. If I could’ve had it my way, if I wasn’t the oldest in the family, I’d definitely married a Moroccan girl and settled in Morocco and opened a business there. Or go there and stay there 4-5 months a year, especially avoid winter in UK.

How is morocco bro, never been their. But will want to

 

[psyoptica]

Been to 5 different countries so far. Enjoyed Morocco the most. If I could’ve had it my way, if I wasn’t the oldest in the family, I’d definitely married a Moroccan girl and settled in Morocco and opened a business there. Or go there and stay there 4-5 months a year, especially avoid winter in UK.

Morocco is very nice. I have been there twice. Beautiful women and surprisingly modern infrastructure. If you are earning in US dollars your money can stretch far. There’s language barrier at times but you can just about get by not knowing any loval languages

 

[psyoptica]

I have travelled to many countries around the world but never been to any of the East Asian countries. I have been planning on moving to Thailand and living like a baller and spend all my money on high luxury. Trying to save money ao I can retire early and live the dream

 

[mominsaigol]

I have travelled to many countries around the world but never been to any of the East Asian countries. I have been planning on moving to Thailand and living like a baller and spend and spend all my money on luxury, or live simply.

This is very interesting. Almost all pakistani's I've met always state Canada, US, Australia, UK or USA, with some having Japan on their hit list due to the popularity of Technology and entertainment specifically in anime.

But I've never heard of people wanting to settle or stay in Morocco or Thailand as their main destination.

Pretty cool.

 

[sweep_shot]

For me, best country to live in would be Saudi Arabia because I want to live and work in Mecca or Medina (religious reason).

Apart from Saudi Arabia, I also find New Zealand and Iceland as nice options.

Both NZ and Iceland are isolated and peaceful nations with beautiful landscapes. Also, they have small populations which is always an appealing factor.

 

[psyoptica]

This is very interesting. Almost all pakistani's I've met always state Canada, US, Australia, UK or USA, with some having Japan on their hit list due to the popularity of Technology and entertainment specifically in anime.

But I've never heard of people wanting to settle or stay in Morocco or Thailand as their main destination.

Pretty cool.

I spent the better half of my young adult life in States and I love the country. It's my home where I have my fondest memories. The US I grew up in is not the same anymore. It has seen significant changes in the last 2 dacades. High inflation and affordibility crisis has made life tough across the board. The stupid trade war Trump has started is so unnecessary and has made things worse.

I have been living in Canada on and off for the last 10 years and I can say the quality of life is much better here. Cost of living is a major issue here as well but the social services and free healthcare more than make up for it.

I like to travel different countries from time to time and the nature of my work makes it possible to spend extended periods of time away from home. There's a big expat community in Thailand and it's a great country for laid back lifestyle and low cost of living.

 

[mominsaigol]

I spent the better half of my young adult life in States and I love the country. It's my home where I have my fondest memories. The US I grew up in is not the same anymore. It has seen significant changes in the last 2 dacades. High inflation and affordibility crisis has made life tough across the board. The stupid trade war Trump has started is so unnecessary and has made things worse.

I have been living in Canada on and off for the last 10 years and I can say the quality of life is much better here. Cost of living is a major issue here as well but the social services and free healthcare more than make up for it.

I like to travel different countries from time to time and the nature of my work makes it possible to spend extended periods of time away from home. There's a big expat community in Thailand and it's a great country for laid back lifestyle and low cost of living.

Come to Australia. We're basically Canada but better.

But probably avoid Sydney if price is a concern.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Having been born and raised in the UK, I’ve always maintained a strong connection to Pakistan, and the idea of moving there has always been appealing. If Pakistan were to grant me nationality and I had the financial means to set up a business, I wouldn’t hesitate to make the move from next week

Really appreciate such thinking.
I strongly believe it’s time people come back to the motherland and contribute.

 

[Bhaijaan]

How is morocco bro, never been their. But will want to

Quite a touristy place.
Marrakech felt so lively with its colorful souks. Chefchaouen’s blue streets felt like a dream. The beaches are very underrated too. One of the best parts of my trip was riding a camel across the Sahara dunes at sunset.

 

[Hellion]

Under different circumstances I'd have wanted to live in New Zealand.

Places like Morocco are very touristy places and imo it's not a good place to settle down .

Maybe for other Muslims

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This is very interesting. Almost all pakistani's I've met always state Canada, US, Australia, UK or USA, with some having Japan on their hit list due to the popularity of Technology and entertainment specifically in anime.

But I've never heard of people wanting to settle or stay in Morocco or Thailand as their main destination.

Pretty cool.

I sometimes wonder if people are thinking destinations which are great for vacations would be good for day to day living long term. I'm not so sure. Language would be a problem I would have thought, at least away from tourist areas. People can complain about the UK, and some of those complaints are valid, but there's a lot to be said for civic development and planning, and most western countries are way ahead in those terms. Probably the middle east would be the most comparable.

 

[sweep_shot]

I sometimes wonder if people are thinking destinations which are great for vacations would be good for day to day living long term. I'm not so sure. Language would be a problem I would have thought, at least away from tourist areas. People can complain about the UK, and some of those complaints are valid, but there's a lot to be said for civic development and planning, and most western countries are way ahead in those terms. Probably the middle east would be the most comparable.

I think for living purposes, western countries and gulf states are the best.

For vacationing, almost all countries have something to offer.

 

[mominsaigol]

I sometimes wonder if people are thinking destinations which are great for vacations would be good for day to day living long term. I'm not so sure. Language would be a problem I would have thought, at least away from tourist areas. People can complain about the UK, and some of those complaints are valid, but there's a lot to be said for civic development and planning, and most western countries are way ahead in those terms. Probably the middle east would be the most comparable.

Gonna be a little Long, apologies.

Living is one thing, travelling is another, i agree.

For example I lived for 3 years in UK, 1 years in USA and rest of my life in Aus and Pakistan.

Travel wise UK and USA beat the living daylights out of Australia.

A foreigner in aus will quickly get bored because every city is the exact same. Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, Perth are no different from one another via culture, history and the tourist attractions aren't that different either.

While UK has the advantage of every single city having their own attractions and history to tell, The vibe of London is competly different from the Les misreables and Jane austin vibes of Bath and vice versa. Similarly Scotland is vastly different from England. UK also has easy access to Europe so a foreigner isn't tounge tied.

USA doesn't have the same cultural and attraction vibe but in terms of pure entertainment their better. Be it sports, Wwe, Ufc, music concerts, theatre, universal studios they have everything and are only behind UK on history based attractions.

When I visited these 2 places I yearned to live here.

But after living here long enough, I realised Australia is better in every capacity.

When you're travelling you don't notice things.

For example USA healthcare system is a joke, a simple checkup for a fever costs an arm and a leg depending on the state you're in. UK housing is a total joke and it's bloody expensive as well. The job market is crazy In USA and UK, but USA doesn't value you. Work life balance is a joke.

The US remote company I worked for made me work 54 HOURS A WEEK and sometimes overtime upto 60. Ik not all companies are like that but 60 HOURS? HOW IS THIS NOT ILLEGAL?

then pay is total crap in UK compared to aus where in aus minimum wage is enough to get you to live a perfect life even with a family.

Not to mention the people in UK and USA are somewhat 2 faced. They dont really care about you unless you're in their community, their the definition of fake nice.

Then in UK barclays bank and their overall banking system to me was a total joke, and Bank of America isn't must better.

Hence living in all 3 countries for a decent amount of time made me realise why Australia consistently ranks so high in quality of life while USA and UK ranks pretty low.

Not to mention I'm not a fan of how certain states are religious and judgemental while in Aus no one cares and supports your beliefs.


^^ So yes I 100% agree with you.

People who are travelling don't take housing, Healthcare, language barriers, community, job market, and various other things into account.

They only look at tourist attractions and think they'd love it here.

 

[mominsaigol]

I think for living purposes, western countries and gulf states are the best.

For vacationing, almost all countries have something to offer.

Depends on the western countries.

You live in Canada which consistently ranks as one of the best places for quality of life.

Infact it ranks > Australia for Quality of life.

People don't consider housing, healthcare, Job market, language barriers, community, immigration friendly, Racism, and other stuff while travelling. They look at tourist attractions and automatically assume they'll be just fine.

For example ik Japan travel wise beats anything on the planet. Literally anything. Nothing comes close to their culture, tourist attractions, and ease of navigation for visitors.

But living their for someone like us would be hell. Our children wouldn't be able to survive their harsh schooling system, the language barrier is still to great with me having to use translators at even popular destinations due to lack of English speaking community.

Infact I can't even read have the signs over their and navigation is next to impossible without Google maps and translators.

Then theirs the fact that Japanese people are way too shy and keep to themselves and theirs no community culture their. It's quite literally the Land of introverts lol and hence you'd likely have a miserable and lonely time their.

I'm not aware of their health care and housing policy either but I'm assuming it's extremely expensive. Japan isn't known to be free.

Hence I'd never want to live in Japan despite Japan being the best place I've ever visited.

 

[sweep_shot]

For example ik Japan travel wise beats anything on the planet. Literally anything. Nothing comes close to their culture, tourist attractions, and ease of navigation for visitors.

But living their for someone like us would be hell. Our children wouldn't be able to survive their harsh schooling system, the language barrier is still to great with me having to use translators at even popular destinations due to lack of English speaking community.

Infact I can't even read have the signs over their and navigation is next to impossible without Google maps and translators.

Then theirs the fact that Japanese people are way too shy and keep to themselves and theirs no community culture their. It's quite literally the Land of introverts lol and hence you'd likely have a miserable and lonely time their.

I'm not aware of their health care and housing policy either but I'm assuming it's extremely expensive. Japan isn't known to be free.

Hence I'd never want to live in Japan despite Japan being the best place I've ever visited.

I like Japanese people and their work ethics. But, I also don't want to live there. It is a bit too soulless/robotic for my liking.

I also don't like their cuisines much. It is too bland for me. LOL.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Australia is one of the worst countries in the first world to live in. Best would be US, UK, Norway in no particular order.

 

[mominsaigol]

I like Japanese people and their work ethics. But, I also don't want to live there. It is a bit too soulless/robotic for my liking.

I also don't like their cuisines much. It is too bland for me. LOL.

Well the point was travel and living are 2 very different things.

Trust me one of my family members is a migration lawyer, specifically for Australia but he does provide advise for other countries as well. However he only books travel visas for other countries. Family and PR visas or student visas aus only.

Anytime someone comes upto him and asks him which country to go to, we always say

1) For travel and ahort stays: Asia and Europe such as Japan, Malaysia, Thailand, France, Germany, UK etc.

2) For PR and permanent migration: Canada ans Aus due to extreme ease of acquiring it.

3) For Quality of life: Denmark, Switzerland, Canada or Australia

4) For entertainment: USA.

However if you want to settle, then Canada and aus, due to quality of life and ease + quickness of getting residency

 

[mominsaigol]

Australia is one of the worst countries in the first world to live in. Best would be US, UK, Norway in no particular order.

How? I've literally lived in UK for 3 years, USA for a year and Australia for nearly 6 years now?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Gonna be a little Long, apologies.

Living is one thing, travelling is another, i agree.

For example I lived for 3 years in UK, 1 years in USA and rest of my life in Aus and Pakistan.

Travel wise UK and USA beat the living daylights out of Australia.

A foreigner in aus will quickly get bored because every city is the exact same. Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, Perth are no different from one another via culture, history and the tourist attractions aren't that different either.

While UK has the advantage of every single city having their own attractions and history to tell, The vibe of London is competly different from the Les misreables and Jane austin vibes of Bath and vice versa. Similarly Scotland is vastly different from England. UK also has easy access to Europe so a foreigner isn't tounge tied.

USA doesn't have the same cultural and attraction vibe but in terms of pure entertainment their better. Be it sports, Wwe, Ufc, music concerts, theatre, universal studios they have everything and are only behind UK on history based attractions.

When I visited these 2 places I yearned to live here.

But after living here long enough, I realised Australia is better in every capacity.

When you're travelling you don't notice things.

For example USA healthcare system is a joke, a simple checkup for a fever costs an arm and a leg depending on the state you're in. UK housing is a total joke and it's bloody expensive as well. The job market is crazy In USA and UK, but USA doesn't value you. Work life balance is a joke.

The US remote company I worked for made me work 54 HOURS A WEEK and sometimes overtime upto 60. Ik not all companies are like that but 60 HOURS? HOW IS THIS NOT ILLEGAL?

then pay is total crap in UK compared to aus where in aus minimum wage is enough to get you to live a perfect life even with a family.

Not to mention the people in UK and USA are somewhat 2 faced. They dont really care about you unless you're in their community, their the definition of fake nice.

Then in UK barclays bank and their overall banking system to me was a total joke, and Bank of America isn't must better.

Hence living in all 3 countries for a decent amount of time made me realise why Australia consistently ranks so high in quality of life while USA and UK ranks pretty low.

Not to mention I'm not a fan of how certain states are religious and judgemental while in Aus no one cares and supports your beliefs.


^^ So yes I 100% agree with you.

People who are travelling don't take housing, Healthcare, language barriers, community, job market, and various other things into account.

They only look at tourist attractions and think they'd love it here.

Good read and very informative. Have not been to Australia but I know an Indian guy who lived in Melbourne and spoke highly of it. Agree with you on US work culture, the hours seem crazy, I'm not even sure it would lead to more work getting done as most folk would be blitzed after 6pm anyway.

UK doesn't have great weather but at least we do get the seasons. Not sure I could stand the constant heat further south, the Mediterranean is probably the ideal for me. Certainly would struggle to live in Pakistan, even if it was somewhere like Islamabad which on the face of it looks pretty comfortable and has a lot going for it. But would feel like an utter foreigner all the same.

 

[jamie smith]

South Africa
Georgia
Indonesia

 

[mominsaigol]

Good read and very informative. Have not been to Australia but I know an Indian guy who lived in Melbourne and spoke highly of it. Agree with you on US work culture, the hours seem crazy, I'm not even sure it would lead to more work getting done as most folk would be blitzed after 6pm anyway.

UK doesn't have great weather but at least we do get the seasons. Not sure I could stand the constant heat further south, the Mediterranean is probably the ideal for me. Certainly would struggle to live in Pakistan, even if it was somewhere like Islamabad which on the face of it looks pretty comfortable and has a lot going for it. But would feel like an utter foreigner all the same.

I Wanna share my usa job experience just to illustrate how utterly nonsense it is. I'm sure not every USA company is like that, but in USA startup companies tend to fail every 2 to 3 years due to mismanagement.

So basically the work hours were 9 to 6PM Monday to Saturday, with only 1 hour break provided.

We were all monitored via time doctor and everyone watched us like a hawk. Most of the time due to poor management deadlines would be missed and clients would be unhappy so their solution was to overwork their employees.

Many times they made us stay till 7pm and sometimes even 8PM and on 2 occasions they made us come to office at 7am and start work early.

It was so bad that during my 3 month wake, atleast 20 people quit and they were flooded with 1 star reviews in google. And the sad thing these sorts of companies are very common in USA since USA allows full ownership of businesses to founders and ceo.

And daily I'd get scolded for something. Their was alot of backstabbing and other drama.

After I quit, the company shut down after a year and I had to obviously remove this company from my resume as a result.

^^ Like that's how stupid the culture is, Whereas in UK and Australia this is downright illegal.

Australia demands maximum workhours to be 38 hours a week and typically most employers don't exceed 35. Anything > 38 hrs is illegal and can shut the business down even if the business is multinational.

For example Google in Australia is 38 hrs a week while in America theirs no set deadline. Standard is 38 hrs but they will extend it if need be.

Then in Australia it's mandatory to get 4 weeks off per year compared to USA having only 2 weeks, however 95% of companies give 2 months off per year as it's considered humane.

unless you start a business or are a freelancer, Job is must if you plan to live in another country and it's the most important criteria to consider and I feel most people overlook this.

countries like Japan are equally as bad as USA in terms of work culture, infact their even worse cause they actually under pay and threaten with salary cuts as well.

 

[mominsaigol]

I'm sorry to say this but USA is easily the worst country to live in unless your a rich businessman.

For country livability rankings, I would say the most important criteria is

1) Job market(most Important cause everyone needs a source of income)

2) Housing (2nd most important)

3) Healthcare (3rd most important)

4) Public transport (Important cause most immigrants don't start off with cars right off the bat)

Every other metric like Clean air, or Sightseeings or environment comes after if you're living in a country.

And USA is downright crap in all 4 departments. Their job market may be the most varied but it's downright cruel. 3600 meta employees were laid off for giggles, and startup culture is atrocious over their.

Housing system is fine in USA if you know what you're doing and meet good real estate agents but healthcare and public transport system is also a joke.

USA is not a walkable city by any means ans their bus/ train systems are decades behind European countries.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

USA is not a walkable city by any means ans their bus/ train systems are decades behind European countries.

This is another bugbear of mine, I know some people love huge skylines, but a lot of these metropolises are not walkable. Fine for a two week vacation, but would not want to live that every day.

 

[Mas-LFC]

How is morocco bro, never been their. But will want to

Beautiful country with beautiful people. Very humble, warm and friendly. I just felt at home. We went in November to the Southern Atlantic coast, in the foothills of the Atlas Mountain. The weather was very pleasant in mid 20’c, not too hot, late evening and night was quite chilly though but we didnt feel much as we left cold weather in UK. Met many nice people and made friends with, still have them on whatsapp.

Their traditional food might be bland but that’s you got to expect that other regions food wont be the same as where you originated from. I didn’t mind but my mates disliked it. But there were other fast food type alternatives and found a small desi style restaurant there.

 

[rickroll]

I Wanna share my usa job experience just to illustrate how utterly nonsense it is. I'm sure not every USA company is like that, but in USA startup companies tend to fail every 2 to 3 years due to mismanagement.

So basically the work hours were 9 to 6PM Monday to Saturday, with only 1 hour break provided.

We were all monitored via time doctor and everyone watched us like a hawk. Most of the time due to poor management deadlines would be missed and clients would be unhappy so their solution was to overwork their employees.

Many times they made us stay till 7pm and sometimes even 8PM and on 2 occasions they made us come to office at 7am and start work early.

It was so bad that during my 3 month wake, atleast 20 people quit and they were flooded with 1 star reviews in google. And the sad thing these sorts of companies are very common in USA since USA allows full ownership of businesses to founders and ceo.

And daily I'd get scolded for something. Their was alot of backstabbing and other drama.

After I quit, the company shut down after a year and I had to obviously remove this company from my resume as a result.

^^ Like that's how stupid the culture is, Whereas in UK and Australia this is downright illegal.

Australia demands maximum workhours to be 38 hours a week and typically most employers don't exceed 35. Anything > 38 hrs is illegal and can shut the business down even if the business is multinational.

For example Google in Australia is 38 hrs a week while in America theirs no set deadline. Standard is 38 hrs but they will extend it if need be.

Then in Australia it's mandatory to get 4 weeks off per year compared to USA having only 2 weeks, however 95% of companies give 2 months off per year as it's considered humane.

unless you start a business or are a freelancer, Job is must if you plan to live in another country and it's the most important criteria to consider and I feel most people overlook this.

countries like Japan are equally as bad as USA in terms of work culture, infact their even worse cause they actually under pay and threaten with salary cuts as well.

This sounds pretty bad. May I ask if you were working as a freelancer or an actual employee of this startup company? Was your job on the tech side or design or finance or some other business function role?

I concur about work culture in the US. In my early career days I worked 80+ hours (investment banking) and management consulting (60-65 hours but always traveling). It was brutal.

 

[rickroll]

If I can work remote or do not have to work anymore then NZ is my top choice since it checks so many boxes. I find it interesting that nobody else here mentioned NZ and makes me wonder if I missed a negative about the country.

@mominsaigol - Australia does check the boxes but man I'm super scared of them poisonous critters there. A random small spider in our shoe can kill us, highly venomous snakes, Irikanji in the ocean ... the list seems endless. The thought of always having to be on guard seems stressful. Is that fear from an outsider like me overstated? I'm sure highly urban areas may have less of these but it only takes one or two probably in my backyard in Melbourne/Sydney suburbia and that thought is stressful for me.

 

[mominsaigol]

This sounds pretty bad. May I ask if you were working as a freelancer or an actual employee of this startup company? Was your job on the tech side or design or finance or some other business function role?

I concur about work culture in the US. In my early career days I worked 80+ hours (investment banking) and management consulting (60-65 hours but always traveling). It was brutal.

Basically I'll give a bit of background about me.

My dad is a banker, he use to work for MCB in Pakistan however one of his colleagues worked at AnZ bank and through referrals and sponsorship we reached aus by 2017 and got Pr as 186 instantly grants you a pr.

However at this time I was working on university applications and by 2018 I decided to study in UK. UK offered a year abroad program as well, so my by 2019 my 2nd year was spent in USA on a year abroad.

Since I was a marketing and design student I thought it would be a good idea to get some work experience and although students are on a strict visa for work, at that time due to covid rising the goverment didn't care much and people pulled some strings.

Hence the work was originally hybrid but then fully remote. I was a Marketing content manager their and the company was an advertising agency.

My job was to talk to clients to understand their marketing requirements. Create brand guidelines and marketing strategies and finally create the content such as promotional material, print material and then cold call, email etc etc for sales generation.

But it was absolutely hell. At one point, one of my colleagues called and told me that I should be working extra hard and researching atleast 500 direct or indirect competitors so that we can create the best content possible by sourcing inspiration.

And I told him that researching 500 in a day is bloody impossible but he would usually say ik it's impossible but I want you to have that 500 attitude atleast.

Case in point, They would overwork me, and sometimes we stayed late or started early because they would book so many client meeting in a day that some clients were adjusted for over hours.

It was so brutal that I quit in 3 months and thankfully covid made it easy + no damage done as these guys shut down in 2020 anyway and ironically so did some of their competitors agencies that had an equally bad culture.

After that I returned to UK and then returned to Aus where I completed my masters and started my work.

It was so brutal and because it was my first job, I was actually terrified at the time. I legitimately thought that if work is this bloody hard, and that too a student, imagine how hard it would be for a professional working male?

Thankfully though, aus and England had much better work environments..England work environment has poor pay for entry roles but the environment is easy and aus has good pay + easy environment.

But it's so brutal in USA atm that my family who lived their had their son do a PhD in Canada, and sponsr them to live in Canada instead.

 

[mominsaigol]

Basically I'll give a bit of background about me.

My dad is a banker, he use to work for MCB in Pakistan however one of his colleagues worked at AnZ bank and through referrals and sponsorship we reached aus by 2017 and got Pr as 186 instantly grants you a pr.

However at this time I was working on university applications and by 2018 I decided to study in UK. UK offered a year abroad program as well, so my by 2019 my 2nd year was spent in USA on a year abroad.

Since I was a marketing and design student I thought it would be a good idea to get some work experience and although students are on a strict visa for work, at that time due to covid rising the goverment didn't care much and people pulled some strings.

Hence the work was originally hybrid but then fully remote. I was a Marketing content manager their and the company was an advertising agency.

My job was to talk to clients to understand their marketing requirements. Create brand guidelines and marketing strategies and finally create the content such as promotional material, print material and then cold call, email etc etc for sales generation.

But it was absolutely hell. At one point, one of my colleagues called and told me that I should be working extra hard and researching atleast 500 direct or indirect competitors so that we can create the best content possible by sourcing inspiration.

And I told him that researching 500 in a day is bloody impossible but he would usually say ik it's impossible but I want you to have that 500 attitude atleast.

Case in point, They would overwork me, and sometimes we stayed late or started early because they would book so many client meeting in a day that some clients were adjusted for over hours.

It was so brutal that I quit in 3 months and thankfully covid made it easy + no damage done as these guys shut down in 2020 anyway and ironically so did some of their competitors agencies that had an equally bad culture.

After that I returned to UK and then returned to Aus where I completed my masters and started my work.

It was so brutal and because it was my first job, I was actually terrified at the time. I legitimately thought that if work is this bloody hard, and that too a student, imagine how hard it would be for a professional working male?

Thankfully though, aus and England had much better work environments..England work environment has poor pay for entry roles but the environment is easy and aus has good pay + easy environment.

But it's so brutal in USA atm that my family who lived their had their son do a PhD in Canada, and sponsr them to live in Canada instead.

Also I forgot to mention, I was still studying albeit remotely, so imagine having to do all this while doing an assignment .

No choice but to quit.

 

[mominsaigol]

If I can work remote or do not have to work anymore then NZ is my top choice since it checks so many boxes. I find it interesting that nobody else here mentioned NZ and makes me wonder if I missed a negative about the country.

@mominsaigol - Australia does check the boxes but man I'm super scared of them poisonous critters there. A random small spider in our shoe can kill us, highly venomous snakes, Irikanji in the ocean ... the list seems endless. The thought of always having to be on guard seems stressful. Is that fear from an outsider like me overstated? I'm sure highly urban areas may have less of these but it only takes one or two probably in my backyard in Melbourne/Sydney suburbia and that thought is stressful for me.

I've never seen a single spider, Koala, Kangaroo, Snake ever invade my home or any home in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane etc etc.

As for NZ, all aussie passports can work and live in NZ without any issues.

Aussie passport holders are NZ Permanent residents by default. And vice versa although NZ passports holders have a few more restrictions if their planning to relocate to aus.

And I also live in the suburbs? Infact I don't know anyone who can live in the city? The cities over here are mostly expensive apartments and most of them are short term leases?

Australian cities are really just 20% city, 80% suburbs where people live?

People keep claiming that Sydney is 12x the size of karachi and Lahore, but in reality it's smaller if you discount the suburbs lol

Theirs nothing much in the suburbs besides your standard bus/ train stations, Banks, a few shopping malls, small Schools and banks.

Some universities like Monash or western Sydney university are in suburbs and not in cities but their outliers really.

 

[psyoptica]

Basically I'll give a bit of background about me.

My dad is a banker, he use to work for MCB in Pakistan however one of his colleagues worked at AnZ bank and through referrals and sponsorship we reached aus by 2017 and got Pr as 186 instantly grants you a pr.

However at this time I was working on university applications and by 2018 I decided to study in UK. UK offered a year abroad program as well, so my by 2019 my 2nd year was spent in USA on a year abroad.

Since I was a marketing and design student I thought it would be a good idea to get some work experience and although students are on a strict visa for work, at that time due to covid rising the goverment didn't care much and people pulled some strings.

Hence the work was originally hybrid but then fully remote. I was a Marketing content manager their and the company was an advertising agency.

My job was to talk to clients to understand their marketing requirements. Create brand guidelines and marketing strategies and finally create the content such as promotional material, print material and then cold call, email etc etc for sales generation.

But it was absolutely hell. At one point, one of my colleagues called and told me that I should be working extra hard and researching atleast 500 direct or indirect competitors so that we can create the best content possible by sourcing inspiration.

And I told him that researching 500 in a day is bloody impossible but he would usually say ik it's impossible but I want you to have that 500 attitude atleast.

Case in point, They would overwork me, and sometimes we stayed late or started early because they would book so many client meeting in a day that some clients were adjusted for over hours.

It was so brutal that I quit in 3 months and thankfully covid made it easy + no damage done as these guys shut down in 2020 anyway and ironically so did some of their competitors agencies that had an equally bad culture.

After that I returned to UK and then returned to Aus where I completed my masters and started my work.

It was so brutal and because it was my first job, I was actually terrified at the time. I legitimately thought that if work is this bloody hard, and that too a student, imagine how hard it would be for a professional working male?

Thankfully though, aus and England had much better work environments..England work environment has poor pay for entry roles but the environment is easy and aus has good pay + easy environment.

But it's so brutal in USA atm that my family who lived their had their son do a PhD in Canada, and sponsr them to live in Canada instead.

The ceiling is much higher in USA. The highly qualified people from Canada tend to move to the US for better opportunities and growth. Brain drain is actually a big problem in Canada. Here they don't have enough doctors because of the highly competetive nature of the medical colleges and low wages which drives people away.
The work experience is variable depending on the company you work for. If you are willing to toil hard and put in the hours, the pay off is great. There's no such thing as work life balance here and you are taking calls and replying to email when you're at home. It gets slightly easier when you move up in the company hierarchy and have more of a leadership role. But yeah you can't take it easy in the US especially if you have family and bills to pay like in other social welfare states.

 

[mominsaigol]

The ceiling is much higher in USA. The highly qualified people from Canada tend to move to the US for better opportunities and growth. Brain drain is actually a big problem in Canada. Here they don't have enough doctors because of the highly competetive nature of the medical colleges and low wages which drives people away.
The work experience is variable depending on the company you work for. If you are willing to toil hard and put in the hours, the pay off is great. There's no such thing as work life balance here and you are taking calls and replying to email when you're at home. It gets slightly easier when you move up in the company hierarchy and have more of a leadership role. But yeah you can't take it easy in the US especially if you have family and bills to pay like in other social welfare states.

Just want to point out some statistics.

Population of USA = 340.1 M
Population of Australia = 26.6 M

No of billionaires in USA = 800
No of billionaires in Aus = 159

No of millionaires in USA = 22 Million
No of millionaires in Aus = 2 million

No of People in USA with a networth of 100,000 to 1M = 7M
No of People in Aus with a networth of 100,000 to 1M = 333,000

Avg income of US for a worker = 66,000 t0 67,000 USD per anannum
Avg income of Aus for a worker = 100,000 AUD per annum

Work hours in USA on avg = 40 to 45 hrs depending on Industry. but no set limit, can reach 60 to 70 depending on employer

Work hours in Aus on avg= Max 38 hrs a week, anything > is illegal unless agreed by the employee And if so, Employers must pay extra. They are also not allowed to threaten employees with termination or threats. The employee must willingly agree without any external pressure.

Overall

In America 1 in every 425,000 Is a billionaire

while in Australia 1 in every 163,000 is a billionaires

however the American companies tend to have a higher valuation which crosses into Trillion Dollar valuations while Australia doesn't have any industry that Is remotely comparable.

1 in every 13 Australian is a millionaires while 1 in every 15 American is a millionaires however Americans have a higher metworth in this category avg around 300 to 700 M compared to 10 t0 100 for Australia.

The overall median avg for Australia earning is less then US as 100,000 aud is 62,000 Usd, however keep in mind, 100,000 aud is more beneficial in Australia then 66,000 usd is in Usa.

if you look at the stats, Australia actually provides more oppotunties to get richer + maintain a healthy work life balance while USA provides more opportunity to endlessly scale but you sacrifise your work life balance.

USA isn't all that great. The opportunities they provide are similar to other countries the only difference is their infrastructure allows you quickly scale to epic proportions, due to a better economy.

A better economy means that you'll get higher investments and more funding from governments and private investors as compared to aus. But all this comes at a cost of sacrificing your soul and working far harder then one normally should.

No clue about Canada, I'm assuming Canada doesn't have the same structure as Australia due to climate conditons, And untapped land + resources that haven't been fully explored due to the dwindling population.

 

[psyoptica]

Just want to point out some statistics.

Population of USA = 340.1 M
Population of Australia = 26.6 M

No of billionaires in USA = 800
No of billionaires in Aus = 159

No of millionaires in USA = 22 Million
No of millionaires in Aus = 2 million

No of People in USA with a networth of 100,000 to 1M = 7M
No of People in Aus with a networth of 100,000 to 1M = 333,000

Avg income of US for a worker = 66,000 t0 67,000 USD per anannum
Avg income of Aus for a worker = 100,000 AUD per annum

Work hours in USA on avg = 40 to 45 hrs depending on Industry. but no set limit, can reach 60 to 70 depending on employer

Work hours in Aus on avg= Max 38 hrs a week, anything > is illegal unless agreed by the employee And if so, Employers must pay extra. They are also not allowed to threaten employees with termination or threats. The employee must willingly agree without any external pressure.

Overall

In America 1 in every 425,000 Is a billionaire

while in Australia 1 in every 163,000 is a billionaires

however the American companies tend to have a higher valuation which crosses into Trillion Dollar valuations while Australia doesn't have any industry that Is remotely comparable.

1 in every 13 Australian is a millionaires while 1 in every 15 American is a millionaires however Americans have a higher metworth in this category avg around 300 to 700 M compared to 10 t0 100 for Australia.

The overall median avg for Australia earning is less then US as 100,000 aud is 62,000 Usd, however keep in mind, 100,000 aud is more beneficial in Australia then 66,000 usd is in Usa.

if you look at the stats, Australia actually provides more oppotunties to get richer + maintain a healthy work life balance while USA provides more opportunity to endlessly scale but you sacrifise your work life balance.

USA isn't all that great. The opportunities they provide are similar to other countries the only difference is their infrastructure allows you quickly scale to epic proportions, due to a better economy.

A better economy means that you'll get higher investments and more funding from governments and private investors as compared to aus. But all this comes at a cost of sacrificing your soul and working far harder then one normally should.

No clue about Canada, I'm assuming Canada doesn't have the same structure as Australia due to climate conditons, And untapped land + resources that haven't been fully explored due to the dwindling population.

Comparing average salaries is not a good comparison. You wanna be looking at median salaries and US has a very high median income compared to Australia. The US median income is $71000 not $66000 and the Australian median income is $44000 not $62000. You can still afford to buy a home in the US which I hear is very difficult in Australia.

You can compare both countries on statistics but your experience of living in the US can vary greatly depending on which state you're in, what industry you work in and your social status. While both countries give preferable treatment to the wealthy, Australia doesn't punish you for being poor. In Australia, you have to actively be trying to become homeless or have some kind of mental illness.

I have never been to Australia but I have friends there and I plan to visit this year. Australia looks to be very beautiful physically, there's nothing in Texas, where my home is, that even remotely compares. Political and social issues are awful in the US. I'm not going to get into it right now but it's very regressive.

 

[rickroll]

Just want to point out some statistics.

Population of USA = 340.1 M
Population of Australia = 26.6 M

No of billionaires in USA = 800
No of billionaires in Aus = 159

No of millionaires in USA = 22 Million
No of millionaires in Aus = 2 million

No of People in USA with a networth of 100,000 to 1M = 7M
No of People in Aus with a networth of 100,000 to 1M = 333,000

Avg income of US for a worker = 66,000 t0 67,000 USD per anannum
Avg income of Aus for a worker = 100,000 AUD per annum

Work hours in USA on avg = 40 to 45 hrs depending on Industry. but no set limit, can reach 60 to 70 depending on employer

Work hours in Aus on avg= Max 38 hrs a week, anything > is illegal unless agreed by the employee And if so, Employers must pay extra. They are also not allowed to threaten employees with termination or threats. The employee must willingly agree without any external pressure.

Overall

In America 1 in every 425,000 Is a billionaire

while in Australia 1 in every 163,000 is a billionaires

however the American companies tend to have a higher valuation which crosses into Trillion Dollar valuations while Australia doesn't have any industry that Is remotely comparable.

1 in every 13 Australian is a millionaires while 1 in every 15 American is a millionaires however Americans have a higher metworth in this category avg around 300 to 700 M compared to 10 t0 100 for Australia.

The overall median avg for Australia earning is less then US as 100,000 aud is 62,000 Usd, however keep in mind, 100,000 aud is more beneficial in Australia then 66,000 usd is in Usa.

if you look at the stats, Australia actually provides more oppotunties to get richer + maintain a healthy work life balance while USA provides more opportunity to endlessly scale but you sacrifise your work life balance.

USA isn't all that great. The opportunities they provide are similar to other countries the only difference is their infrastructure allows you quickly scale to epic proportions, due to a better economy.

A better economy means that you'll get higher investments and more funding from governments and private investors as compared to aus. But all this comes at a cost of sacrificing your soul and working far harder then one normally should.

No clue about Canada, I'm assuming Canada doesn't have the same structure as Australia due to climate conditons, And untapped land + resources that haven't been fully explored due to the dwindling population.

Pretty cool stats

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Saudi Arabia, specifically Makkah and Madina...the night life of Madina is just too awesome.

 

[mominsaigol]

Saudi Arabia, specifically Makkah and Madina...the night life of Madina is just too awesome.

You guys are so ancient

 

[sweep_shot]

You guys are so ancient

I love Saudi Arabia. Little to no tax. Low crime. Mecca and Medina. Great foods.

It is not always perfect but it is excellent for a practicing Muslim who just wants to work and pray I guess.

I would be delighted to work and live in Mecca.

 

[mominsaigol]

I love Saudi Arabia. Little to no tax. Low crime. Mecca and Medina. Great foods.

It is not always perfect but it is excellent for a practicing Muslim who just wants to work and pray I guess.

I would be delighted to work and live in Mecca.

Travel =/= Living

Never been to Saudi but I knew a girl who pulled dozens of dozens of strings to study and live in Pakistan from Saudi cause she hated it that much.

Or well tbf she didn't pull any strings, Pakistan isn't really that tingy, you can literally get citizenship by residing in the country for 5 years.

The difficulty of acquiring Pakistani citizenship depends on vacation/tourism policies of other countries rather then Pakistan policies

 

[sweep_shot]

Travel =/= Living

Never been to Saudi but I knew a girl who pulled dozens of dozens of strings to study and live in Pakistan from Saudi cause she hated it that much.

Or well tbf she didn't pull any strings, Pakistan isn't really that tingy, you can literally get citizenship by residing in the country for 5 years.

The difficulty of acquiring Pakistani citizenship depends on vacation/tourism policies of other countries rather then Pakistan policies

Living in subcontinent is not appealing. Entire subcontinent is corrupt whether it is Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, or Nepal.

But, living in Saudi Arabia is appealing for many different factors. Crime is very low there. Tax is little to none because they are a rich country. Also, they have Mecca and Medina which are holy places.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Singapore. To live.

New zealand for sight seeing.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

By nz, the south island, most pristine place on earth. Fortunately locals have retained most part of it.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Living in subcontinent is not appealing. Entire subcontinent is corrupt whether it is Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, or Nepal.

But, living in Saudi Arabia is appealing for many different factors. Crime is very low there. Tax is little to none because they are a rich country. Also, they have Mecca and Medina which are holy places.

Saudi is not a good place to live/ settle unless you are an Arab. It's great for religious tourism however.

 

[sweep_shot]

Saudi is not a good place to live/ settle unless you are an Arab. It's great for religious tourism however.

Disagree. That might have been the case in the past but not the case right now. I have friends there. They have good things to say.

It depends on different factors. Also, every country has good people and bad people.

 

[rpant_gabba]

You guys are so ancient

You are risking a ban with comments like that

 

[mominsaigol]

You are risking a ban with comments like that

Why? I didn't mock the house of God, nor claim umrah/hajj is a bad thing lol.

This is about Living in Saudi as a country.

Travelling is one thing, living is another. Saudi just like the US, is a good place to visit, horrible place to live

 

[psyoptica]

Living in subcontinent is not appealing. Entire subcontinent is corrupt whether it is Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, or Nepal.

But, living in Saudi Arabia is appealing for many different factors. Crime is very low there. Tax is little to none because they are a rich country. Also, they have Mecca and Medina which are holy places.

You are a second class citizen in Saudi and depending on what your ethnic background is, you have to deal with a lot of racism. You don’t have home ownership rights or the right to become a citizen.
I would never wanna ever live in Saudi where my rights are not protected.

 

[psyoptica]

Why? I didn't mock the house of God, nor claim umrah/hajj is a bad thing lol.

This is about Living in Saudi as a country.

Travelling is one thing, living is another. Saudi just like the US, is a good place to visit, horrible place to live

You did not just compare Saudi to the US

 

[mominsaigol]

You did not just compare Saudi to the US

I did. USA is becoming worse day by day.

First and foremost good luck becoming a us citizen in this day and age without marriage or birthright.

Secondly enjoy 54 to 60 hrs work weeks and unexpected layoffs.

 

[psyoptica]

I did. USA is becoming worse day by day.

First and foremost good luck becoming a us citizen in this day and age without marriage or birthright.

Secondly enjoy 54 to 60 hrs work weeks and unexpected layoffs.

US is become worse day by day doesn’t mean it’s on par with Saudi lol.
Ask any person on the planet where they would like to move to and become a citizen, US is still number 1 on their list for various reasons. People move to Canada, Australia, UK and other first world countries because they can’t easily obtain permanent residence in the US.

 

[mominsaigol]

US is become worse day by day doesn’t mean it’s on par with Saudi lol.
Ask any person on the planet where they would like to move to and become a citizen, US is still number 1 on their list. People move to Canada, Australia, UK and other first world countries because they can’t easily obtain permanent residence in the US.

Ask any person on the planet where they would like to move to and become a citizen, US is still number 1 on their list.

Thats only cause of the delusion of Land of opportunity nonsense that USA keeps portraying.

people delusionally believe that theyll casually become the next Shahid Khan or the next Zuckerberg not realising that people got extraordinarily lucky and their success was more about timing and meeting the perfect people at the perfect time and not because of hard work alone.

The truth is theirs more homeless people in USA then their rich people, more immigrants getting the short end of the stick then becoming rich etc.

People move to Canada, Australia, UK and other first world countries because they can’t easily obtain permanent residence in the US.

Until they realise that their happier in these countries then in US. Idk about UK cause i dodnt like UK that much and i dont have much experience with Canada however i hhaven't heard of a single immigrant who wants to migrate to USA after coming to Aus.

No one would want to come to USA if they didn't migrate the whole land of opportunity nonsense that USA cleverly utilises to keep the working class working even harder.

The country has crap job systems, crap healthcare systems, Their safety standards aren't high at all, Their schooling system is good due to networking and not due to the standard of education itself.

Their no 1 in tech and entertainment, that I will agree on, which is why the richest people in the world or the richest celebrities in the world are from US.

Besides entertainment and tech, their behind in everything else.

 

[psyoptica]

Ask any person on the planet where they would like to move to and become a citizen, US is still number 1 on their list.

Thats only cause of the delusion of Land of opportunity nonsense that USA keeps portraying.

people delusionally believe that theyll casually become the next Shahid Khan or the next Zuckerberg not realising that people got extraordinarily lucky and their success was more about timing and meeting the perfect people at the perfect time and not because of hard work alone.

The truth is theirs more homeless people in USA then their rich people, more immigrants getting the short end of the stick then becoming rich etc.

People move to Canada, Australia, UK and other first world countries because they can’t easily obtain permanent residence in the US.

Until they realise that their happier in these countries then in US. Idk about UK cause i dodnt like UK that much and i dont have much experience with Canada however i hhaven't heard of a single immigrant who wants to migrate to USA after coming to Aus.

No one would want to come to USA if they didn't migrate the whole land of opportunity nonsense that USA cleverly utilises to keep the working class working even harder.

The country has crap job systems, crap healthcare systems, Their safety standards aren't high at all, Their schooling system is good due to networking and not due to the standard of education itself.

Their no 1 in tech and entertainment, that I will agree on, which is why the richest people in the world or the richest celebrities in the world are from US.

Besides entertainment and tech, their behind in everything else.

US doesn’t need to market itself. The opportunities it provides are far better than any country in the world. You can’t expect to build a successful life in any country if you’re not willing to work hard and as a new comer, you have much better odds of getting success in the US. I know plenty of people in Australia who are grinding hard for a decade but their standard of life is nowhere it needs to be. I know many who were forced to come back. You will rarely hear anyone leaving the US or being poor despite working hard for a long period.

There are many glaring issues, the American dream is becoming harder each day and the quality of life has declined but US is still a very strong country. When people complain about high cost of living they are complaining about the high cost of living relative to before the pandemic, not the high cost of living relative to the rest of the developed world. During Covid the biggest economies around the world collapsed, US had a big cushion to sustain the blow due to its dollar. While the people around the world suffered, the impact here was marginal.

You're also probably getting bad information about the US healthcare system. Healthcare is indeed more expensive here than it is in the rest of the developed world, but what I typically hear from Europeans and Canadians are stories where they saw the topline number on a medical bill, which almost nobody ends up paying and they think that most people are paying $100,000 every single time they have surgery and it's nowhere near like that.

Safety standards are not as bad as perceived outside kf the US. Mass shootings obviously happen much more often here than in any other comparable country, but they're still rare. The average person does not experience a mass shooting - I've gone years without seeing a gun that wasn't a police sidearm.

Whether moving here is a good idea depends entirely on what kind of work you do and what kind of qualifications you have. If you're British and you're a doctor or a nurse, you could conceivably quintuple your income here, face lower taxes, and be able to afford to buy a house that's both cheaper and larger. Salaries for a lot of tech workers are really high too. It's worth asking more specifically how much do people living here who do what you do make. If you're an unskilled worker, I wouldn't bother unless you come from a much poorer country.

 

[mominsaigol]

US doesn’t need to market itself. The opportunities it provides are far better than any country in the world. You can’t expect to build a successful life in any country if you’re not willing to work hard and as a new comer, you have much better odds of getting success in the US. I know plenty of people in Australia who are grinding hard for a decade but their standard of life is nowhere it needs to be. I know many who were forced to come back. You will rarely hear anyone leaving the US or being poor despite working hard for a long period.

There are many glaring issues, the American dream is becoming harder each day and the quality of life has declined but US is still a very strong country. When people complain about high cost of living they are complaining about the high cost of living relative to before the pandemic, not the high cost of living relative to the rest of the developed world. During Covid the biggest economies around the world collapsed, US had a big cushion to sustain the blow due to its dollar. While the people around the world suffered, the impact here was marginal.

You're also probably getting bad information about the US healthcare system. Healthcare is indeed more expensive here than it is in the rest of the developed world, but what I typically hear from Europeans and Canadians are stories where they saw the topline number on a medical bill, which almost nobody ends up paying and they think that most people are paying $100,000 every single time they have surgery and it's nowhere near like that.

Safety standards are not as bad as perceived outside kf the US. Mass shootings obviously happen much more often here than in any other comparable country, but they're still rare. The average person does not experience a mass shooting - I've gone years without seeing a gun that wasn't a police sidearm.

Whether moving here is a good idea depends entirely on what kind of work you do and what kind of qualifications you have. If you're British and you're a doctor or a nurse, you could conceivably quintuple your income here, face lower taxes, and be able to afford to buy a house that's both cheaper and larger. Salaries for a lot of tech workers are really high too. It's worth asking more specifically how much do people living here who do what you do make. If you're an unskilled worker, I wouldn't bother unless you come from a much poorer country.

I've lived for a year in US, 3 years in UK, 6 years in aus, half my family resides in USA.

So trust me ik more about these 3 countries then most people here.

I know plenty of people in Australia who are grinding hard for a decade but their standard of life is nowhere it needs to be. I know many who were forced to come back. You will rarely hear anyone leaving the US or being poor despite working hard for a long period.

^^ Explain? Give examples? Secondly you're over dramatising hard work.

Hard work alone won't get you anywhere. It's your network that's your entire networth lol. While USA does provide opportunities for the greatest network it isn't as easy as it seems and it isn't hard work related

 

[psyoptica]

I've lived for a year in US, 3 years in UK, 6 years in aus, half my family resides in USA.

So trust me ik more about these 3 countries then most people here.

I know plenty of people in Australia who are grinding hard for a decade but their standard of life is nowhere it needs to be. I know many who were forced to come back. You will rarely hear anyone leaving the US or being poor despite working hard for a long period.

^^ Explain? Give examples? Secondly you're over dramatising hard work.

Hard work alone won't get you anywhere. It's your network that's your entire networth lol. While USA does provide opportunities for the greatest network it isn't as easy as it seems and it isn't hard work related

Well ask your family members if they would consider moving to Australia then lol.
You were in America for a year as an exchange student doing internship, what kind of lifestyle were you expecting to get here? What were the challenges you faced here other than the work environment not suitable for you? I can’t speak on the nuances of the work/lifestyle in Australia as I’ve never stepped a foot there but I do know it doesn’t compare to the US in terms of economic benefit. No country in the world can.
And no, I’m not dramatizing hard work. It’s absolutely a pre cursor of you wanna get anywhere in life.

 

[mominsaigol]

Well ask your family members if they would consider moving to Australia then lol.
You were in America for a year as an exchange student doing internship, what kind of lifestyle were you expecting to get here? What were the challenges you faced here other than the work environment not suitable for you? I can’t speak on the nuances of the work/lifestyle in Australia as I’ve never stepped a foot there but I do know it doesn’t compare to the US in terms of economic benefit. No country in the world can.
And no, I’m not dramatizing hard work. It’s absolutely a pre cursor of you wanna get anywhere in life.

I did, they all want to move to Canada lol.

Anyway, since I'm assuming you were born in USA and have some sort of weird attachment towards it i won't continue this conversation.

Although it's weird how you're constantly bringing up economic benefits or hard work etc etc when no one here argued otherwise.

However it doesn't rank high on quality of life, and hard work alone doesn't get you anywhere. You love America so much, why not listen to what mark Cuban consistently states about skill.

No man is a one way street, you can work as hard as you want, you won't get anywhere if you were born on an island, in the same way you won't get anywhere by taking to some random guy from Australia on a pakistani forumn in America.

You need connections and preferably people who are connected to capital investors to get you ahead lol, and most people don't find that in USA for obvious reasons.

But anyway I won't stop you from being the next Elon Musk, good luck to you bro.

 

[psyoptica]

I did, they all want to move to Canada lol.

Anyway, since I'm assuming you were born in USA and have some sort of weird attachment towards it i won't continue this conversation.

Although it's weird how you're constantly bringing up economic benefits or hard work etc etc when no one here argued otherwise.

However it doesn't rank high on quality of life, and hard work alone doesn't get you anywhere. You love America so much, why not listen to what mark Cuban consistently states about skill.

No man is a one way street, you can work as hard as you want, you won't get anywhere if you were born on an island, in the same way you won't get anywhere by taking to some random guy from Australia on a pakistani forumn in America.

You need connections and preferably people who are connected to capital investors to get you ahead lol, and most people don't find that in USA for obvious reasons.

But anyway I won't stop you from being the next Elon Musk, good luck to you bro.

Why are you getting so defensive bro. I was simply responding to your remark about US being a horrible place to live and being comparable to Saudi when it’s not at all true. Don’t just trash US and then get mad when someone tries to explain why what you’re saying isn’t correct.
A lot of people here say they want to move to Canada since Trump became president. People said the same thing when he became president in 2016. No one ever does.

I have already pointed out the issues with America and I agreed that quality of life in US is generally worse if you are poor. I’m not sure what you mean by connections with capital investors. You are just saying random things lol. Not everyone wants to become entrepreneur and have billions of dollars in net worth but the environment is very conducive if you do wanna take that path.
Also I never said hard work alone is enough. In fact in my previous post, I pointed out you need to be skilled to get most value out of your hard work.

If you would prefer a life of simply working for 30-40 years and then retiring to a modest existence (which is perfectly reasonable), you can do that in almost any western nation. Emigrate to the US to maximize your earning and saving potential.

 

[mominsaigol]

Why are you getting so defensive bro. I was simply responding to your remark about US being a horrible place to live and being comparable to Saudi when it’s not at all true. Don’t just trash US and then get mad when someone tries to explain why what you’re saying isn’t correct.
A lot of people here say they want to move to Canada since Trump became president. People said the same thing when he became president in 2016. No one ever does.

I have already pointed out the issues with America and I agreed that quality of life in US is generally worse if you are poor. I’m not sure what you mean by connections with capital investors. You are just saying random things lol. Not everyone wants to become entrepreneur and have billions of dollars in net worth but the environment is very conducive if you do wanna take that path.
Also I never said hard work alone is enough. In fact in my previous post, I pointed out you need to be skilled to get most value out of your hard work.

If you would prefer a life of simply working for 30-40 years and then retiring to a modest existence (which is perfectly reasonable), you can do that in almost any western nation. Emigrate to the US to maximize your earning and saving potential.

I never compared it to Saudi lol. You clearly misunderstood and got defensive yourself.

No one ever does.

No one ever moves cause its not that simple. You dont just move to any country even if that country is canada and Australia.

The only reasonable way to move to these 2 countries outside of marriage is to study their, and then gain 1 year work experience which will lead to a PR, or in Canada case do a PhD in ontorio as all PhD holders from the region get a pr automatically.

Work wise it's impossible without referrals and connections because if you apply for any role be it doctor, lawyer, engineer or heck even a high level position like cmo etc

Why would they waste money to sponsor you when they can just hire someone who already has working rights in the country?

Then in UK, it's the same situation, unless you have referrals, they won't sponsor and in UK it's even more difficult to immigrate as unlike Canada and aus which has a points system, but the points system ensures that anyone with a degree from their country + work experience will qualify 100% of the time,

UK has no points system and you're at the mercy of sponsorship, however atleast their willing to sponsor students who've studied in that country, and are on temporary graduate visas.

2 40 year old with grown up kids who are married themsleves don't just up and decide to immigrate based of a whim .

Some of my friends got PR in aus due to work experience after studying. My dad had a referrals and was already an extremely high level professional at MCB bank and was top 1% earner in Pakistan, he wasn't your average Joe and even he needed huge huge favours from others to get AnZ to sponsor him.

Otherwise no chance lol.

 

[mominsaigol]

I never compared it to Saudi lol. You clearly misunderstood and got defensive yourself.

No one ever does.

No one ever moves cause its not that simple. You dont just move to any country even if that country is canada and Australia.

The only reasonable way to move to these 2 countries outside of marriage is to study their, and then gain 1 year work experience which will lead to a PR, or in Canada case do a PhD in ontorio as all PhD holders from the region get a pr automatically.

Work wise it's impossible without referrals and connections because if you apply for any role be it doctor, lawyer, engineer or heck even a high level position like cmo etc

Why would they waste money to sponsor you when they can just hire someone who already has working rights in the country?

Then in UK, it's the same situation, unless you have referrals, they won't sponsor and in UK it's even more difficult to immigrate as unlike Canada and aus which has a points system, but the points system ensures that anyone with a degree from their country + work experience will qualify 100% of the time,

UK has no points system and you're at the mercy of sponsorship, however atleast their willing to sponsor students who've studied in that country, and are on temporary graduate visas.

2 40 year old with grown up kids who are married themsleves don't just up and decide to immigrate based of a whim .

Some of my friends got PR in aus due to work experience after studying. My dad had a referrals and was already an extremely high level professional at MCB bank and was top 1% earner in Pakistan, he wasn't your average Joe and even he needed huge huge favours from others to get AnZ to sponsor him.

Otherwise no chance lol.

@psyoptica

To put it into perspective outside of marriage or birthright the only way to immigrate to aus or Canada is via sponsorship or points based system.

Aus has a points system where 65 points are minimum required.

65-75 points means you'll probs won't get it, 75-85 means theirs a 50-50 chance, 90 to 100 means guaranteed. And refusal has never once occurred to any applicant who's gotten this unless they have criminal records.

However the points are their to ensure that you can't get 90 or above unless you've been in the country.

Points are tested via age, work experience, education, English language skills, Partner.

If you're 18-33, Have 1 year work experience in aus, Have studied from an aussie institution and are unmarried then you'll get maximum points. As English language skills are maximum due to studying in an English speaking country.

But no chance in hell if you're outside the country, your points will fall below 70 each time.

Sane with Canada, over their it's express entry. Those who have done a PhD from ontorio, get 740 points off the bat and anything extra is a bonus which guarantees entry while someone from outside will sit at a measly 300 to 500 points.

^^ This makes it impossible to enter these 2 countries if you have no ties with them.

Second is sponsorship and without referrals it's impossible cause even if you're someone with 15 years work experience + a million qualifications and references and are top tier in your field, the country will find someone who's equally as qualified and already living their.

And UK doesn't have a points system anyway.

So no, Someone from the USA who's unhappy, can't just immigrate when the mood strikes him

 

[sweep_shot]

You are a second class citizen in Saudi and depending on what your ethnic background is, you have to deal with a lot of racism. You don’t have home ownership rights or the right to become a citizen.
I would never wanna ever live in Saudi where my rights are not protected.

I am okay with not having a Saudi citizenship as long as I can live and work there. I have the Canadian citizenship; so, if things don't work out, I can always move back to Canada.

The main reason why KSA is appealing to me is because of the significance of Mecca and Medina. Praying in Masjid Al-Haram in Mecca is 100,000 times better apparently.

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The multiplication of reward for prayer in al-Masjid al-Haram is proven in the report narrated by Ahmad and Ibn Majaah (1406) from Jaabir (may Allah be pleased with him), that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “One prayer in my mosque is better than one thousand prayers elsewhere, except al-Masjid al-Haram, and one prayer in al-Masjid al-Haram is better than one hundred thousand prayers elsewhere.”

This hadeeth was classed as saheeh by al-Mundhiri and al-Busayri. Al-Albaai said: Its isnaad is saheeh according to the conditions of the two Shaykhs [al-Bukhari and Muslim]. End quote from Irwa’ al-Ghaleel (4/146).

Source: https://m.islamqa.info/en/answers/1...-does-it-include-the-entire-haram-(sanctuary)

 

[psyoptica]

@psyoptica

To put it into perspective outside of marriage or birthright the only way to immigrate to aus or Canada is via sponsorship or points based system.

Aus has a points system where 65 points are minimum required.

65-75 points means you'll probs won't get it, 75-85 means theirs a 50-50 chance, 90 to 100 means guaranteed. And refusal has never once occurred to any applicant who's gotten this unless they have criminal records.

However the points are their to ensure that you can't get 90 or above unless you've been in the country.

Points are tested via age, work experience, education, English language skills, Partner.

If you're 18-33, Have 1 year work experience in aus, Have studied from an aussie institution and are unmarried then you'll get maximum points. As English language skills are maximum due to studying in an English speaking country.

But no chance in hell if you're outside the country, your points will fall below 70 each time.

Sane with Canada, over their it's express entry. Those who have done a PhD from ontorio, get 740 points off the bat and anything extra is a bonus which guarantees entry while someone from outside will sit at a measly 300 to 500 points.

^^ This makes it impossible to enter these 2 countries if you have no ties with them.

Second is sponsorship and without referrals it's impossible cause even if you're someone with 15 years work experience + a million qualifications and references and are top tier in your field, the country will find someone who's equally as qualified and already living their.

And UK doesn't have a points system anyway.

So no, Someone from the USA who's unhappy, can't just immigrate when the mood strikes him

I became permanent resident of Canada in 2016. The process was very simple for me. I applied through express entry and was selected in a draw. Canada during that time was a heaven for new immigrants. I have never taken any economic benefit from Canada though I still enjoyed the peaceful living and environmental friendly cities. Things have gone downhill quite drastically since the pandemic. The high influx of new immigrants, mostly from India, made everything here go out of whack. There was no infrastructure to support the level of immigration and the rate of increase that happened around 2022 and 2023 period directly impacted the housing market. It got so bad, people start leaving Canada in high numbers. Australia had very similar issues. Canadians historically have been pro immigration but now the majority are against it.
This is where the US shines. The best of the best talent goes to the US. The Indians that come to America are highly qualified comparative to the Canadian counterparts. Well you can debate that but there’s no doubt that US attracts the best talent and retains it and it has the capacity to absorb high volume of immigration unlike Canada or UK. It’s a behemoth when it comes to economic opportunities. The social infrastructure is lacking but the level of financial success one can attain is unparalleled

 

[rickroll]

I became permanent resident of Canada in 2016. The process was very simple for me. I applied through express entry and was selected in a draw. Canada during that time was a heaven for new immigrants. I have never taken any economic benefit from Canada though I still enjoyed the peaceful living and environmental friendly cities. Things have gone downhill quite drastically since the pandemic. The high influx of new immigrants, mostly from India, made everything here go out of whack. There was no infrastructure to support the level of immigration and the rate of increase that happened around 2022 and 2023 period directly impacted the housing market. It got so bad, people start leaving Canada in high numbers. Australia had very similar issues. Canadians historically have been pro immigration but now the majority are against it.
This is where the US shines. The best of the best talent goes to the US. The Indians that come to America are highly qualified comparative to the Canadian counterparts. Well you can debate that but there’s no doubt that US attracts the best talent and retains it and it has the capacity to absorb high volume of immigration unlike Canada or UK. It’s a behemoth when it comes to economic opportunities. The social infrastructure is lacking but the level of financial success one can attain is unparalleled

This part is quite true. I have not seen riffraff South Asians here in the US (barring the rare exception) compared to what I observed in UK or Canada.

 

[psyoptica]

I am okay with not having a Saudi citizenship as long as I can live and work there. I have the Canadian citizenship; so, if things don't work out, I can always move back to Canada.

The main reason why KSA is appealing to me is because of the significance of Mecca and Medina. Praying in Masjid Al-Haram in Mecca is 100,000 times better apparently.

===================================

The multiplication of reward for prayer in al-Masjid al-Haram is proven in the report narrated by Ahmad and Ibn Majaah (1406) from Jaabir (may Allah be pleased with him), that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “One prayer in my mosque is better than one thousand prayers elsewhere, except al-Masjid al-Haram, and one prayer in al-Masjid al-Haram is better than one hundred thousand prayers elsewhere.”

This hadeeth was classed as saheeh by al-Mundhiri and al-Busayri. Al-Albaai said: Its isnaad is saheeh according to the conditions of the two Shaykhs [al-Bukhari and Muslim]. End quote from Irwa’ al-Ghaleel (4/146).

Source: https://m.islamqa.info/en/answers/1...-does-it-include-the-entire-haram-(sanctuary)

That’s a different story then. True that there’s no better place for Muslims than the holy sites. But I could never even imagine living in a country where I’m discriminated against.

 

[mominsaigol]

I became permanent resident of Canada in 2016. The process was very simple for me. I applied through express entry and was selected in a draw. Canada during that time was a heaven for new immigrants. I have never taken any economic benefit from Canada though I still enjoyed the peaceful living and environmental friendly cities. Things have gone downhill quite drastically since the pandemic. The high influx of new immigrants, mostly from India, made everything here go out of whack. There was no infrastructure to support the level of immigration and the rate of increase that happened around 2022 and 2023 period directly impacted the housing market. It got so bad, people start leaving Canada in high numbers. Australia had very similar issues. Canadians historically have been pro immigration but now the majority are against it.
This is where the US shines. The best of the best talent goes to the US. The Indians that come to America are highly qualified comparative to the Canadian counterparts. Well you can debate that but there’s no doubt that US attracts the best talent and retains it and it has the capacity to absorb high volume of immigration unlike Canada or UK. It’s a behemoth when it comes to economic opportunities. The social infrastructure is lacking but the level of financial success one can attain is unparalleled

Quick question: Are you super rich?

 

[mominsaigol]

I became permanent resident of Canada in 2016. The process was very simple for me. I applied through express entry and was selected in a draw. Canada during that time was a heaven for new immigrants. I have never taken any economic benefit from Canada though I still enjoyed the peaceful living and environmental friendly cities. Things have gone downhill quite drastically since the pandemic. The high influx of new immigrants, mostly from India, made everything here go out of whack. There was no infrastructure to support the level of immigration and the rate of increase that happened around 2022 and 2023 period directly impacted the housing market. It got so bad, people start leaving Canada in high numbers. Australia had very similar issues. Canadians historically have been pro immigration but now the majority are against it.
This is where the US shines. The best of the best talent goes to the US. The Indians that come to America are highly qualified comparative to the Canadian counterparts. Well you can debate that but there’s no doubt that US attracts the best talent and retains it and it has the capacity to absorb high volume of immigration unlike Canada or UK. It’s a behemoth when it comes to economic opportunities. The social infrastructure is lacking but the level of financial success one can attain is unparalleled

I have a genuine question, whole thread was about where one would like to live and settle.

Why did you turn it into an everyone can be Elon Musk thread if they live in USA .

Like your only point to everything is

Well yes, USA quality of life isn't high, but you can become Elon Musk here

Well yes, health care system isn't the best, but we have the best Indian talent here and sundar pirachi is google ceo

Well yes we don't have good public transport but we can become Bill gates here and hard work is the crux of life .

Oh bhai, Look at yourself.

 

[psyoptica]

I have a genuine question, whole thread was about where one would like to live and settle.

Why did you turn it into an everyone can be Elon Musk thread if they live in USA .

Like your only point to everything is

Well yes, USA quality of life isn't high, but you can become Elon Musk here

Well yes, health care system isn't the best, but we have the best Indian talent here and sundar pirachi is google ceo

Well yes we don't have good public transport but we can become Bill gates here and hard work is the crux of life .

Oh bhai, Look at yourself.

We diverged when you compared living in Saudi to living in America. I had to jump in and clarify just in case someone took it seriously. Then you went off on a tangent discussing about the immigration pathways. Don’t blame me for sidetracking lol.

If you look at my original reply, I have already given my answer as to where I would like to go. I find Thailand to be a good option for the expat lifestyle. I will consider moving there after I retire depending on my personal circumstances at that time.

 

[mominsaigol]

We diverged when you compared living in Saudi to living in America. I had to jump in and clarify just in case someone took it seriously. Then you went off on a tangent discussing about the immigration pathways. Don’t blame me for sidetracking lol.

If you look at my original reply, I have already given my answer as to where I would like to go. I find Thailand to be a good option for the expat lifestyle. I will consider moving there after I retire depending on my personal circumstances at that time.

We diverged when you compared living in Saudi to living in America.

Never did . You misunderstood and started a war. Anyway enjoy your retirement in Thailand

 

[psyoptica]

We diverged when you compared living in Saudi to living in America.

Never did . You misunderstood and started a war. Anyway enjoy your retirement in Thailand

Ha all good bro.

 

[mominsaigol]

Ha all good bro.

Btw their is one thing i do want to say, My mother has spoken to me a bunch of times and has told me that when you have a child, Make sure he/she is born in USA and give them dual citizenship because US universities are massively > Aussie universities and job market is better their which i agree with.

I would want my child to live their 0-18 live in aus so that they can have a stress free life and a very high quality of life which aus is second to none in, but probably work in us.

The good thing is, Visa free travel van aussie passport means we don't have to worry much about immigration officers causing problems.

Australia is extremely good if you wish to go into tech. This country is obsessed with tech and hence the rise of atlassin, Canva, Affinity, Leonardo AI, Glitch and many more which have become global powerhouses.

Currently theirs an Ai revolution in Australia and startups are ai focused, but besides ai, tech and programming, It's education and job market is lacking behind.

Construction industry in Australia is decades behind other countries, entertainment sector isn't high either, medical fields are avg, Australian doctors and aussie medical education isn't that great, engineering is up and down, software engineers are at a sky high in aus but mechanical or aviation engineers are at a low. Business, advertising, marketing and entrepreneur industry is up and down as well

Australia is good for culinary and Tech(software and ai) but behind others.

So I do agree with you, that since I have family and friends living in USA, I will allow dual citizenship for my children.

But I'd still want that they live with me till their 18. Even if I was a dual citizen, I'd still want them to spend time with me till their 18 in Australia.