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I was thinking of creating this thread when we toured Australia last month but didn't want to hurt some people. My question is which country provides the most sporting tracks where both teams have equal chance to win the game. In my opinion it is England followed by Australia. Discuss. :inti
 
1. England
2. West Indies
3. Australia
4. Pakistan
5. Sri Lanka
6. South Africa
7. India
8. New Zealand
 
England.

I don't think Australian tracks are particularly sporting. They dished out some generally sporting wickets in both the last two series they played against India and in the 2016 series against South Africa, but generally there is a tendency to dish out unsporting highways in Australia. The wickets they put out in the last Ashes were terrible especially the lifeless, docile pitch they prepared in the Boxing Day test. Could say the same for the pitches they prepared against New Zealand (2015) and Pakistan (2016, 2019) but in Pakistan's case the result wouldn't have been different even if the pitches were sporting.
 
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I think South Africa wickets are fairly sporting too. But they require atleast some basic ability in regards to playing pace and bounce, that Asian teams historically have lacked.
 
I think South Africa wickets are fairly sporting too. But they require atleast some basic ability in regards to playing pace and bounce, that Asian teams historically have lacked.

They take zero spin, so no.
 
I think England is the best in terms of the pitches.

I think Pakistan offers some sporting tracks as well with pacers, spinners as well as batsman in the game. Just in the recent series, Karachi gave some support to spinners while Rawalpindi was where pacers dominated big time and we saw some runs as well from batsmen applying themselves.
 
I think South Africa wickets are fairly sporting too. But they require atleast some basic ability in regards to playing pace and bounce, that Asian teams historically have lacked.

Nah man SA ain't it...
 
The Pakistani tracks in Pakistan are good too I mean not at England or even WI level supporting but they are decent I'd put tham at 3,4 in terms of ranking

But would level to hear why they're not that supporting to opp...
 
England doesn't do as much as other teams so I will put them at number 1 for offering sporting tracks to visiting teams. :inti

England magically produces pitches that specifically counter the strengths of particular visiting teams. They are far from the most sporting. This is all relative but I'd say it's probably Australia. Not that I think they dont make pitches to suit the home but they are closer to what is expected of them than is true for any other country.
 
England.

I don't think Australian tracks are particularly sporting. They dished out some generally sporting wickets in both the last two series they played against India and in the 2016 series against South Africa, but generally there is a tendency to dish out unsporting highways in Australia. The wickets they put out in the last Ashes were terrible especially the lifeless, docile pitch they prepared in the Boxing Day test. Could say the same for the pitches they prepared against New Zealand (2015) and Pakistan (2016, 2019) but in Pakistan's case the result wouldn't have been different even if the pitches were sporting.

I agree. Aus pitches haven't really had much for spinners either since Warne retired. England, because of the fluctuations in weather (even in the summer) and probably being a island will usually have a test series with something for each type of bowler/batsman, especially if it's across 4 tests.

And as mentioned SA have been okay too. They have green wickets but asian teams have done well in Durban and to some extent Cape Town iirc.
 
England by far, South Africa too. Recently SA has more life in pitches than even Australia.
 
Pakistan provide the most supporting home team for the visitors. Which other country will play batsmen like Abid, Imran Butt, Chacha Iftikhar, Khushdil, Taat and bowlers like Rauf and Faheem to treat the visitors.
 
I was thinking of creating this thread when we toured Australia last month but didn't want to hurt some people. My question is which country provides the most sporting tracks where both teams have equal chance to win the game. In my opinion it is England followed by Australia. Discuss. :inti

Sporting can have the connotation of making it sound like a neutral may ‘enjoy’ watching the game i.e. entertaining.

But as you mean pitches which give neither team an obvious advantage, I would probably put Australia and England as joint first.

Australia have tried over the last few years to try and get their pitches to support their pacers but have failed with the drop-ins. Some wonderful batting tracks Down Under for the good batsmen.

England do not really try and play around with the pitches as frequently. But that’s partly because the Dukes ball which they now use is normally enough together with overcast conditions.

You could argue UAE too but that would be mostly because try as one might, there wasn’t much to be extracted from those pitches anyway.
 
All this stuff is irrelevant because at the end of the day teams have to play in the same conditions and even the toss is random so instead of crying about pitches, teams need to adapt better to foreign conditions.
 
England or Australia.
It’s not often that you get a true green top in a Test match in England (which would favour the home side, especially against subcontinent sides).
That would be the equivalent of the pitch in Chennai for this Test.

That is the pitch. Atmospheric conditions especially overcast conditions, have as much influence but they are obviously not influenced by the home side.
 
Australia as their pitches are as they are and never change based on opposition and 2nd is England where it really depends on conditions above which is out of their control.


Pakistan is in UAE were an exception where the pitches were just dead and did not favour anyone just whoever could master those slow conditions.
 
Er even Swann has said English make pitches green according to their need but the posters here seem to have their own opinion.
 
England, but one must not forget the importance of the Dukes ball and overhead conditions too not just the surfaces.
 
England magically produces pitches that specifically counter the strengths of particular visiting teams.

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Steyn kept getting roads in Eng. Aus usually gets dry pitches. India got the greenest pitch in Lords in one series after 1st test which was a road.


If you need to hear a directly,


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Michael Vaughan says EnglandÂ’s Ashes pitch-doctoring went too far

England were determined to blunt Australia’s fast-bowling attack in the Ashes. The wicket at Cardiff for the first Test was labelled an “anti-Johnson” strip by former England captain Mike Atherton.

The first balls of the game bounced twice on their way to the wicketkeeper. Australia lost at Cardiff but had a chance to square the series at Trent Bridge in the fourth Test.

England won the toss and sent Australia in to bat on a wicket that proved almost unplayable early. Michael ClarkeÂ’s men were dismissed in 18.3 overs for 60 runs on a day when 14 wickets fell.

“The pitch at Trent Bridge against Australia last summer went too far, but the ECB felt they had to win,” Vaughan wrote in his column for BritainÂ’s Daily Â*Telegraph.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/crick...r/news-story/c004e2e5baa846c47ed8564df736377c

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I will say only Aus where I have not seen much evidence of pitch being different based on the opposition.
 
Unapologetic paceman Jimmy Anderson has admitted England doctored pitches during their Ashes upset - and called for more of it in the future.

Unapologetic paceman Jimmy Anderson has admitted England doctored pitches during their Ashes upset - and called for more of it in the future.

The Ashes pitches became a talking point as the series wore on and all five Tests were wrapped up inside four days - with fixtures at Edgbaston and Trent Bridge threatening to be two-day affairs.

Michael Clarke used his final press conference as an Australian captain to detail his problems with the wickets which had been prepared.

Throughout the 3-2 series victory, England captain Alastair Cook and coach Trevor Bayliss steadfastly denied any involvement in the preparation of wickets this series.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09...ng-the-ashes-and-should-do-more-of-it/6766900
 
In India, its only test of skills of batsmen. When visit SENA, its not only skills tested, batsmen have to face bodylines as well.
 
England are whiners, they got flat pitches last time and yet got smashed by 0-4. In this series also, they got a flat pitch first test.

In my opinion, India and South Africa produces best pitches.

If 2015 Freedom trophy and 2018 Freedom trophy didn't had sporting/bowling friendly pitches, Virat Kohli and AB de Villiers would have averaged 55 in test cricket :inti
 
Australia as their pitches are as they are and never change based on opposition and 2nd is England where it really depends on conditions above which is out of their control.


Pakistan is in UAE were an exception where the pitches were just dead and did not favour anyone just whoever could master those slow conditions.

Lol @England please go through above articles unless you think Anderson and Swann are lying?
 
I have no issues if people think India doesn’t produce good pitches but then don’t mention England does as well.

We can agree Aus produces the best wicket if the case is of neutrality.
 
I have no issues if people think India doesn’t produce good pitches but then don’t mention England does as well.

We can agree Aus produces the best wicket if the case is of neutrality.

I don't think Aus wickets are the best for cricket. It is a different wicket with very little sideways movements, but Aus rarely changes pitch character based on the opposition.
 
I don't think Aus wickets are the best for cricket. It is a different wicket with very little sideways movements, but Aus rarely changes pitch character based on the opposition.

Yes that’s why I said if the case is being neutral.. I have come to like Lankan pitches somewhat in last decade.
 
Honestly if you can have a advantage at home where you can play to your strengths and win. What's the harm in that? If I knew that I could improve my chances of a win by playing a certain way I would be foolish to not do it.

Why do you have to accommodate the visiting team? I say embarass them and send them packing. If they want they can return the favor.

All this accommodation and sporty wicket stuff is nonsense, if you're looking at it from a competitive perspective.
 
England are whiners, they got flat pitches last time and yet got smashed by 0-4. In this series also, they got a flat pitch first test.

In my opinion, India and South Africa produces best pitches.

If 2015 Freedom trophy and 2018 Freedom trophy didn't had sporting/bowling friendly pitches, Virat Kohli and AB de Villiers would have averaged 55 in test cricket :inti

Are you actually serious? :vk2

The pitches that India produced for that 2015 South Africa series were absolutely horrific. They were exploding from the first or second day. By the third day the matches tended to be over.

The pitch that India produced at Nagpur was arguably the worst and was even given a poor rating by the ICC.

South Africa in order to get revenge for those turning wickets produced greentops with excessive seam movement and bounce when India toured in 2018, and the most dangerous wicket in that series was the one they produced in Johannesburg which left Dean Elgar maimed and bruised and coincidentally but unsurprisingly also got a poor rating from ICC.

But to say India produces the best wickets simply has no basis in reality. Its home advantage, sure and India makes the wickets that best play to their strengths but they are not sporting wickets.

Because India has a history of producing poor or downright dangerous pitches. Maybe you have forgotten about the pitch India produced for an ODI against Sri Lanka in 2009 or 2010. When the game was called off after 20 odd overs because of how bad the pitch was and Delhi was banned from hosting international games for a year.

Could say the same for the 2017 Pune rank turner: another horrific pitch and the one India produced in Kanpur against South Africa back in 2008.
 
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Steyn kept getting roads in Eng. Aus usually gets dry pitches. India got the greenest pitch in Lords in one series after 1st test which was a road.


If you need to hear a directly,


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Michael Vaughan says EnglandÂ’s Ashes pitch-doctoring went too far

England were determined to blunt Australia’s fast-bowling attack in the Ashes. The wicket at Cardiff for the first Test was labelled an “anti-Johnson” strip by former England captain Mike Atherton.

The first balls of the game bounced twice on their way to the wicketkeeper. Australia lost at Cardiff but had a chance to square the series at Trent Bridge in the fourth Test.

England won the toss and sent Australia in to bat on a wicket that proved almost unplayable early. Michael ClarkeÂ’s men were dismissed in 18.3 overs for 60 runs on a day when 14 wickets fell.

“The pitch at Trent Bridge against Australia last summer went too far, but the ECB felt they had to win,” Vaughan wrote in his column for BritainÂ’s Daily Â*Telegraph.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/crick...r/news-story/c004e2e5baa846c47ed8564df736377c

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I will say only Aus where I have not seen much evidence of pitch being different based on the opposition.

Top post. In 2012, the pitches were extremely flat to counter the Saffer pace attack but that attack was good enough to force 2 wins while Jimmy got clobbered by Kallis, Amla and co. on those flat decks.
 
Lol @England please go through above articles unless you think Anderson and Swann are lying?

I'm surprised at how strong that narrative an how even posters who have watched cricket since the 70's have bought into the idea that's it the weather that affects it more than anything else. Flat pitches for SA, Spin wickets for ashes 2013, seaming wickets for India - very convenient weather patterns.
 
The problem is that when it comes to doctoring pitches almost every team is guilty except Pakistan and maybe, New Zealand.

Home advantage is one thing. But after a certain point it goes too far.

The onus is on the ICC to call it out and ban venues from hosting test matches. I know there is a mechanism in place but I think it has to be made even more stringent to discourage teams from doctoring pitches and I think a ban should apply after one offence.

For example, Wanderers should have been banned for the pitch that was produced for the 2018/19 test against India. Same for Pune and Nagpur for the pitches that were produced in 2017 and 2015.
 
Top post. In 2012, the pitches were extremely flat to counter the Saffer pace attack but that attack was good enough to force 2 wins while Jimmy got clobbered by Kallis, Amla and co. on those flat decks.

Steyn kept getting roads in Eng. Just to put it in perspective, Anderson averages 40+ against SA at home when Steyn was playing. When Steyn was not there, he averaged 25.
 
Lol @England please go through above articles unless you think Anderson and Swann are lying?

Like I said they do occasionally produce green wickets like they did against India at lords but mostly the advantage is due to duke ball which is consistent and matches do last atleast around 4 days.
 
England is definitely not but then they don't provide unplayable ones either . Could be Australia as they are good for all types of bowling units over next 5 days.
 
Like I said they do occasionally produce green wickets like they did against India at lords but mostly the advantage is due to duke ball which is consistent and matches do last atleast around 4 days.

If they were producing it occasionally Swann and Anderson wouldn't be saying that, they produce it when they want against whom they want and its not about green alone.

Aus is the only country that produces neutral pitches as per your criteria.
 
If they were producing it occasionally Swann and Anderson wouldn't be saying that, they produce it when they want against whom they want and its not about green alone.

Aus is the only country that produces neutral pitches as per your criteria.

They dont produce green wickets all the time thats for sure, yes on some wickets ball swing more than others but thats due to conditions above which are not in their control.
 
They dont produce green wickets all the time thats for sure, yes on some wickets ball swing more than others but thats due to conditions above which are not in their control.

Lol do you really believe that it automatically adjusts based on opposition?
 
England providing fairest pitches? lol. They are serial pitch doctors.
 
Steyn kept getting roads in Eng. Just to put it in perspective, Anderson averages 40+ against SA at home when Steyn was playing. When Steyn was not there, he averaged 25.
Excellent point, something which will be conveniently ignored by bhakts of England, citing weather, counties and what not.
 
i am not saying this as a pak fan but pitches in pak can be sporting if that is the desire of team management. in the past, pitches under bowling captains (imran, wasim) have tended offer something to pace bowlers while those under batting captains have been relatively dead (miandad, inzamam). some of the worse pakistani pitches i have seen was during the indian tour of pak in 2006 when sehwag was scoring double centuries for fun. inzamam was afraid of the repeat of 2003 series defeat in pak so pitches for the first two test matches were a complete joke. karachi wicket for the third test match offered something for pace in first innings and resulted in a win for pak.

because pakistan has had balanced attack, pitches have tended to offer something for players with all skillsets. this has resulted in some cracking series such as 1990 series against wi, two series against australia in 1994 and in 1998 and two series against s.a. in 1997 and in 2003 which was an absolute humdinger with no quarter given or asked. the 1994 series against australia was also one for the ages with clutch performances by some key batsman and wickets shared equally between pace and spin. matches that pak lost in that period have usually due to superior performances by fast bowlers.

due to nature of pak pitches, for most of history, pak has been the best performing asian side outside asia. things changed when pak had to play in uae where pitches did not offer anything for pace and as result batsman got used to slow pitches with low bounce. consequently, results suffered when touring abroad. in my opinion its easier for countries that play on fast pitches to produce better all round cricketers than those who play on wickets that favour spin. results of foreign tours to south asia compared to tours in opposite direction seem to indicate that its easier to make adjustment against spin than against pace. plus this might be personal preference but watching live, i have seen no better sight than express pace going full-tilt against a top batsman. now that cricket is back, hopefully this will be a familiar sight once again in pak.
 
I assume your question is which country does the least pitch doctoring. The answer is Australia. All teams indulge in pitch doctoring to maximize their home field advantage (NZ and SA doing it the most) and perhaps Australia does it too, but they certainly do it the least. Personally I have no issues with countries tailoring their home conditions to suit themselves as the challenge that comes along with it is actually the most beautiful thing about test cricket.

If countries all over the world rolled out the same stereotypical "good pitch" that is good for batting for the first two and half days and becomes good for bowling in the last 2 days, then that would make cricket boring. A green seamer in New Zealand or a dustbowl in India or a quick and bouncy track in South Africa brings variety to test cricket and winning in such conditions give you credits as a team that's adaptable to alien conditions. Even though we lost the series, it's why the win at Wanderers gave me the biggest joy among all our victories overseas because it was a track purely designed to embarrass the Indian team with its exaggerated pace and unvariable bounce and rub their nose in the dirt while whitewashing them. I'm sure the Australian fans feel the same way about their victory at Pune.
 
Also there seems to be a popular discourse here that England don't tailor their home conditions to suit their bowling attack and whatever movement they get is because of the unique weather and atmospheric conditions that they have and so they aren't guilty of doing it. That's just superficial nonsense and ignores a whole host of factors that goes into defining what "home advantage" is.

First let's get this out of the way. Swing movement is dependent on the overhead conditions and cricket in England can be largely influenced by the weather at a particular session. But that's just part of the story. England generally make an effort to produce damp wickets especially against the subcontinent teams in their traditional test venues except perhaps the Oval which more often than not tends to be somewhat of a road. Pitch making is not exactly rocket science, if you either deliberately water a wicket too much than what's normally required, or if you water it normally but there isn't enough sun to dry out the water that's went in, you end up with a damp wicket that has a lot of moisture in it. And a damp wicket produces exaggerated seam movement. Damp wickets don't always look like green tops, they may even sport a whitish look but you won't know if a wicket is damp unless you feel it.

Take the Lord's test where India got rolled for 106 in the second test in 2018. This was the colour of the pitch when India were batting.

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Not exactly the greenest pitch is it..And India actually collapsed in sunny conditions, if you look at the picture. Batting was basically impossible against an exceptionally skilled attack under sunny conditions (Woakes was bowling fast leg breaks at 135ks), not because it was swinging all over the place but because the wicket was well watered to start with but became extremely damp as it was pouring down for one and half days straight before the match started on day 2. There was a particular moment in the last day of the test when Marais Erasmus would touch the surface of the wicket to feel the moisture and would call the teams off the field after feeling the wicket was too damp to continue play, stacking the odds against the favour of the batsmen. This example was just to show how damp wickets can produce exaggerated seam movement as evidenced by the tweet below.

https://mobile.twitter.com/benjones...^1360839883087097856|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=

So it's not that seam movement can happen only on greentops like the ones you find in NZ. Even if there isn't a lush cover of grass on the wicket, the ball will move after pitching on the seam if the wicket has plenty of moisture in it. Conversely a pitch can look green and still do nothing if the grass cover is dead and nicely rolled into the wicket instead of a thin film of live grass standing up on the wicket.

Coming to the next part, while swing happens due to atmospheric conditions which are uncontrollable, what's certainly controllable is choosing which ball swings the best. The Duke ball is unique when compared to all other balls because it's harder, slightly bigger in size and has a far more prouder seam than the kookaburra. All these unique things make the Duke ball the best to generate swing in the world. The 2018 batch of Duke balls were particularly unique when compared to the average Duke ball because it resulted in the highest swing and seam movement throughout that season in more than a decade. The ECB felt batting was very difficult that season (both Indian and English batting struggled, it was actually Curran and England's lower order who often bailed out England and won the series) and so they trialled the 2019 batch of Duke balls which was more similar in characteristics to the kooka with a less prominent seam that resulted in higher scores in the county season. Guess what happened afterwards?

The ECB managing director, Ashley Giles consulted which batch of Duke balls to use ahead of the 2019 Ashes with his leading spearheads Anderson and Broad.

This is what Broad bad to say on the issue.

"Ashley Giles, England's managing director, called me recently to ask what I thought of the new Dukes ball for 2019. My experience of them, I told him, was that they go soft and out of shape quickly and when the pitches lose pace it means the cricket becomes boring," he wrote in his column in The Daily Mail.

"In response, I questioned whether we needed to change the ball that had helped produce so much exciting Test cricket in England over the last four years.

"We beat India 4-1 last year but they could have beaten us 3-2. It was some of the most exciting cricket you could wish to see. And let's not think the 2018 ball seamed all over the place. Moeen Ali took 25 wickets in a series against South Africa. Last year, he came in at the Rose Bowl and took five versus India. Spin has played a big part. There have also been great hundreds. Why do we need to change? The last thing we need in an Ashes series are games when 500 plays 500."

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...oring-ashes-claims-broad-20190623-p520dk.html

And this is what Giles had to say on the issue where he makes it quite clear he wants the old batch of balls so as to make Anderson more lethal.

Responding to suggestions that England were simply trying to maximise home advantage, Giles told reporters at The Oval on Wednesday: "People will say that, but that's why we want to be on the front foot. "We didn't want to appear as though we were doing this underhandedly." The former England spinner added: "I've spoken to Cricket Australia, they were fine, and I've spoken to Cricket Ireland (who play at Lord's in July). "It's not as though we're talking about playing against a bowling attack that isn't very good. "The Aussies are quite handy themselves," he said of a fast-bowling line-up that could include Mitchell Starc, Pat Cummins, Josh Hazlewood and James Pattinson.

There are elements of risk in choosing to go with this other ball. But clearly Jimmy Anderson is one of our best weapons, one of the best bowlers who has ever played the game, and we want to bring him into the game. We just want to be up front and honest".

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/eng...s-with-less-pronounced-seam-for-ashes-2034872

This is straight from the horse's mouth, the managing director of the ECB who says quite clearly they want to use home advantage to their strength. England certainly don't doctor the wickets the most in the world, but to keep repeating England don't tailor their home conditions to their advantage because they don't have Storm from the X men to control the atmosphere is just palpable nonsense. They're as guilty as every other side in doing it.
 
South Africa had the best pitches in the world when they had their ATG team. From 2007/8 to 2015, the pitches in their country were good for batting and both types of bowling.

What was even better is that each pitch was different; Jo'burg would seam, Cape town was flat and there were also pitches that would take turn.
 
Australian pitches are sporting for only certain kinds of players. Fast bowlers who can maintain a good line and length and FTBs who play bounce well thrive on their pitches.

Swing bowlers and spinners have a torrid time, barring the odd track or match conditions. It is no wonder than South Africa and India have done well there, both teams have/had the players for it.

Pakistan and England do not.
 
For me a 'sporting, fair, true, awesome' pitch has to be one on 1) the captain is still undecided as to what to do, once the coin falls his/her way (overhead conditions play a massive role in this-I agree), 2) there is something in it for all trades of bowlers & batsmen in varying proportions for at least 3.75 days of the 5, 3) the match is decided in the last hour of the last session. I doubt any country is consistent in catering to more than 2 out of the 3 above conditions.
Whilst at it, If the 'bounce is even', does not matter if it turns square from day one, you need ability to survive and prosper - if it turns, the same as batting on a green mamba on day one, session one. However with green bouncy wickets, they become better for batting as the days go by but with rank turners they become worse for batting and on that I concede that since the real skills of batting and bowling are not consistently displayed over 5 days, India should not be preparing rank turners. However, to use words like 'doctored' is akin to some form of dishonesty. Also Since the 2015-saf series (which were india's s worst turning wickets, a disgrace) largely India has prepared 'fair' wickets and defo not super turning wickets but we still get a bad rap for this. case in point was the 4th test ind vs aus, Dharmshala- 2017, wade was taking them ariound his ears. And we still won that one. Plz give credit where due. Lastly, I feel SA, Aus and thirdly eng would be consistently preparing fair even bounced wickets, but India is not far behind, plz remove the tint on your glasses.
 
i am not saying this as a pak fan but pitches in pak can be sporting if that is the desire of team management. in the past, pitches under bowling captains (imran, wasim) have tended offer something to pace bowlers while those under batting captains have been relatively dead (miandad, inzamam). some of the worse pakistani pitches i have seen was during the indian tour of pak in 2006 when sehwag was scoring double centuries for fun. inzamam was afraid of the repeat of 2003 series defeat in pak so pitches for the first two test matches were a complete joke. karachi wicket for the third test match offered something for pace in first innings and resulted in a win for pak.

because pakistan has had balanced attack, pitches have tended to offer something for players with all skillsets. this has resulted in some cracking series such as 1990 series against wi, two series against australia in 1994 and in 1998 and two series against s.a. in 1997 and in 2003 which was an absolute humdinger with no quarter given or asked. the 1994 series against australia was also one for the ages with clutch performances by some key batsman and wickets shared equally between pace and spin. matches that pak lost in that period have usually due to superior performances by fast bowlers.

due to nature of pak pitches, for most of history, pak has been the best performing asian side outside asia. things changed when pak had to play in uae where pitches did not offer anything for pace and as result batsman got used to slow pitches with low bounce. consequently, results suffered when touring abroad. in my opinion its easier for countries that play on fast pitches to produce better all round cricketers than those who play on wickets that favour spin. results of foreign tours to south asia compared to tours in opposite direction seem to indicate that its easier to make adjustment against spin than against pace. plus this might be personal preference but watching live, i have seen no better sight than express pace going full-tilt against a top batsman. now that cricket is back, hopefully this will be a familiar sight once again in pak.

Amen to seeing the express pace going full-tilt against a top batsman (on same token hope to be seeing guileful spinners creating a web of magic around top batsman). let both of them thrive
 
Amen to seeing the express pace going full-tilt against a top batsman (on same token hope to be seeing guileful spinners creating a web of magic around top batsman). let both of them thrive

agree with the sentiment.

i had the pleasure of watching kumble bowl during karachi test in 2006. the fizz of the ball out of his hand and the jump he was getting from the pitch was not apparent when i saw him bowl on tv. it was fascinating to watch him operate with fielders around the bat. that karachi pitch produced an exciting test match. there was a lot of movement during the first session which was beautifully exploited by indian bowlers. pitch flattened out later but still helped bowlers who could generate reverse swing - something indian bowlers were unable to do. pakistan put a big score in the third inning and got through indians in the fourth due to skills of asif and some reverse swing. overall, that wicket provided a good template for how pitches should be produced in pak.
 
Judging by the reactions of fans from other countries on this pitch, surely India will never top that list. :inti
 
South Africa had the best pitches in the world when they had their ATG team. From 2007/8 to 2015, the pitches in their country were good for batting and both types of bowling.

What was even better is that each pitch was different; Jo'burg would seam, Cape town was flat and there were also pitches that would take turn.

Undoubtedly!
 
Pakistan. Pitches here hardly become a minefield even on day 5 and both spinners and seamers get wickets. Runs are also there to be made if you don't let your concentration go down.
 
India vs New Zealand: Green Park pitch busts dustbowl stereotype, Dravid rewards Rs 35,000 to ground staff

The Green Park pitch exceeded the longevity some of its own ground-staff had anticipated, despite pre-match whispers that the match would not last five days and the surface would deteriorate fiendishly, as some of the recent decks for Test matches in the country. But what the Kanpur track provided was a nail-biter of a contest that went the full distance, and despite India being denied a win by the narrowest of margins, it was a draw to be remembered for a long time.

After the game, India’s coach Rahul Dravid would reward the ground-staff. UPCA would inform the media that, “Mr Rahul Dravid has paid Rs 35,000 personally to our groundsmen.”

The reservations about the wicket, expressed before the game, turned out to be unfounded. Green Park pitches rarely crack up dangerously, rather they break up insidiously, progressively getting slower and lower.

But as is often the case, it has been a case of stereotyping. One made-to-order turner 13 years ago — the instant reaction to a galling defeat — sufficed for notoriety. In three Test matches since, it has reverted to type — slow, low turners, a litmus test of patience, for batsmen, bowlers, fielders and the audience. Games here slow-burn, like the Awadhi cuisine that relies on stewing in slow fire. The cuisine, like the five days of this Test threw up, is delicious.

The talk of a turner was conjecture. The Indian team management hadn’t demanded one from the weightlifter-turned-electrician-turned-curator Shiv Kumar, in a break from the usual. The curator was not inclined to dish out one to please the management either. Maybe, it was New Zealand coach Gary Stead’s early (mis)judgement of the pitch that sparked the whispers.

Moreover, a turner here, in early winter, is near impossible, even if one had tried. Dig into Mohammad Kaif’s local knowhow. Kaif, who has spent most of his cricketing life playing for Uttar Pradesh, wrote on Twitter: “Having spent so many years at Green Park, I can say it’s difficult to prepare a rank turner here in winters. And with Ganga flowing not too far and temperature low, the pitch doesn’t crumble. Baat maano bada time spent kiya hai is ground pe. This is my second home.” The match against South Africa that gave Green Park the stigma was hosted in summer, in mid-April, when temperatures hover in the mid-to-late 30s.

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^^^ Dravid paying Rs 35000 to ground staff for preparing a sporting track shows that this is an exception but since he has paid them money. This could start a nice trend where groundsmen start preparing sporting tracks for monetary rewards. What a masterstroke by Rahul Dravid. :bow: :inti
 
England Tracks are best in the World and NZ is always Play on green pitch so they are wrost .
 
^^^ Dravid paying Rs 35000 to ground staff for preparing a sporting track shows that this is an exception but since he has paid them money. This could start a nice trend where groundsmen start preparing sporting tracks for monetary rewards. What a masterstroke by Rahul Dravid. :bow: :inti

Good gesture by Rahul Dravid . Do You think he is right choice for india coach selection ? I think he should have continue to grooming youngesters in NCA rather than head coach.
 
Good gesture by Rahul Dravid . Do You think he is right choice for india coach selection ? I think he should have continue to grooming youngesters in NCA rather than head coach.

Agree with you here. He should have groomed Under 19 players and remained with India A side. I wanted to see someone like Tom Moody as India's head coach instead. :inti
 
The pitch in Kanpur was one of the best produced over a decade.

Quality pacers, quality spinners and quality batsman all had something for themselves.

All said and done, on current basis, I would say that India produce the most sporting wickets followed by South Africa.
 
England and South Africa both produce sporting tracks, its just weather touring teams are good enough to take advantage of it.
 
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