Who performed better in Asia Cup for their team : Mustafizur Rahman or Shaheen Shah Afridi?

[WengerOut]

Myself and [MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION] were having a debate in one of the threads about this. I am of the opinion that Mustafizur performed brilliantly. BVB respectfully disagreed and reminded me about dropped catches of SSA bowling. Mustafizur also had catches dropped. I think he made most impact in the virtual SF and Final. Also in SL match if not wrong. What do you guys think?

PS: This is not about who is better, potential wise or look wise.

 

[the_outsider]

Fizz bowled BD into the final. Shaheen did not.

Both bowled well but at the end of the day, performance is the only thing that counts.

One of them got 4 wickets. Another got 10. There is no debate.

 

[Shafi]

Shaheen long way to go before compare to Mustafiz!!!At the moment Mustafiz is miles ahead of him.

 

[Executioner]

One of them - defended 8 runs in a fun over, took 4 wickets and kicked out a good side, and helped his team nearly defend a low par score.

Fizz is one of the key wicket taking bowlers right now. He is aggressive, always looks for wickets even if you leak runs.

 

[Something]

Shaheen shows potential. He hasn't had a match winning spell or hasn't actually contributed significantly but shows that he has the potential to become a match winner someday. Fizz is already a match winner. So, I don't understand this comparison

 

[topspin]

Mustafizur will struggle outside Asia on faster wickets. Shaheen is a better prospect and has a higher ceiling no doubt.

 

[Bangalorean]

Mustafizur will struggle outside Asia on faster wickets. Shaheen is a better prospect and has a higher ceiling no doubt.

Key word here 'prospect' ... Fizz over SSA for me !

 

[RyanRyan10]

Mustafizur made impact in victories against Pak & Afg

Shaheen looked impressive but didn't have any impact

 

[Something]

Mustafizur made impact in victories against Pak & Afg

Shaheen looked impressive but didn't have any impact

Isn't that literally what I said as well?

 

[MSaad1237]

Mustafizur..

 

[RainMan_]

Afridi is a good prospect for Pak and he's performed well in Asia cup. But fizz was on a different level in this Asia Cup. He was easily the best bowler in that tournament.

Besides this, Fizz is one of the brightest stars in world cricket who's a direct competitor of bowlers like Starc and Rabada.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Afridi is a good prospect for Pak and he's performed well in Asia cup. But fizz was on a different level in this Asia Cup. He was easily the best bowler in that tournament.

Besides this, Fizz is one of the brightest stars in world cricket who's a direct competitor of bowlers like Starc and Rabada.

Let him first compete with the world #1 ODI bowler Bumrah. Fizz is good, but not in the elite list of Starc, Bumrah and Rabada yet.

 

[the_outsider]

Let him first compete with the world #1 ODI bowler Bumrah. Fizz is good, but not in the elite list of Starc, Bumrah and Rabada yet.

Rabada
Boult
Starc
Bumrah
Hazlewood

At least 5 pacers who are currently head and shoulders above Fizz. And that's because Fizz is yet to come good in Test cricket. And these are just bowlers who play all formats. If if talk about test-only bowlers than even the likes of Ishant and Shami are better, let alone Anderson and Broad.

But on slow SC pitches he's more effective than a Hazlewood or a Boult is.

 

[BDfanforever]

Rabada
Boult
Starc
Bumrah
Hazlewood

At least 5 pacers who are currently head and shoulders above Fizz. And that's because Fizz is yet to come good in Test cricket. And these are just bowlers who play all formats. If if talk about test-only bowlers than even the likes of Ishant and Shami are better, let alone Anderson and Broad.

But on slow SC pitches he's more effective than a Hazlewood or a Boult is.

Anderson is the best Test bowler, there is no competition. Fiz still has a long way to go before reaching the caliber of those bowlers you listed. I think even Mark Wood is better.

However, when you factor in the fact that Fizz plays for BD whereas other bowlers plays for much superior teams, you get to appreciate the quality of Fizz.

 

[Bangalorean]

Afridi is a good prospect for Pak and he's performed well in Asia cup. But fizz was on a different level in this Asia Cup. He was easily the best bowler in that tournament.

Besides this, Fizz is one of the brightest stars in world cricket who's a direct competitor of bowlers like Starc and Rabada.

Best bowler in the tournament ? Not so sure...

 

[hadi123]

Mustafizur Rahman. He had a good tournament.

 

[the_outsider]

Anderson is the best Test bowler, there is no competition. Fiz still has a long way to go before reaching the caliber of those bowlers you listed. I think even Mark Wood is better.

However, when you factor in the fact that Fizz plays for BD whereas other bowlers plays for much superior teams, you get to appreciate the quality of Fizz.

Definitely. Fizz is an excellent LOI bowler. I'm not denying that. But he's not in the league of the best fast bowlers currently in the game. At least not yet.

 

[Sam99]

Fizz is good bowler but come on his trundling in 120s & 30s and people are comparing him with starc? really? He will be useful for bangladesh but idk if any other top side would even pick him in their xi.

 

[Bangalorean]

Fizz is good bowler but come on his trundling in 120s & 30s and people are comparing him with starc? really? He will be useful for bangladesh but idk if any other top side would even pick him in their xi.

IPL also he was not first pick IIRC !

 

[Executioner]

IPL also he was not first pick IIRC !

Injury problem has pegged him back considerably. In 2016 IPL he was fast. Bowled at 143/144 at times. In 2018 he wasnt doing as good. But this Asia Cup his pace is almost around the 140 mark barring his cutters.

UAE pitches are dead for pacers especially once the batsmen are set. Fizz did a brilliant job and yes I'll say he was the best bowler in tournament given that he bowled well under pressure and won 2 matches and nearly won another defending barely 222 against the best batting line up in the world minus Kohli.

Rashid Khan and Bumrah are still doing better than him overall. Maybe if fizz remains injury free he could be rated along side them again.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Some days ago hasan was the 'potential' best bowler in the world. Now this pak ppers are overboard every time. Comparing an amature with one of the bests in loi.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Rabada
Boult
Starc
Bumrah
Hazlewood

At least 5 pacers who are currently head and shoulders above Fizz. And that's because Fizz is yet to come good in Test cricket. And these are just bowlers who play all formats. If if talk about test-only bowlers than even the likes of Ishant and Shami are better, let alone Anderson and Broad.

But on slow SC pitches he's more effective than a Hazlewood or a Boult is.

I agree.

 

[topspin]

Key word here 'prospect' ... Fizz over SSA for me !

In Asia at present I would take Fizz but everywhere else Shaheen who will eventually join the likes of Starc, Rabada et al as an elite bowler because he has all the ingredients to be a gem of a fast bowler; steep bounce, pace and skills.

Fizz just has variations of cutters and different slower balls, top tier batsmen in LOI cricket will pick these and he will struggle on faster wickets in Aus, Eng, NZ and SA. For me he's a slightly superior version of Rumman Raees who also looked legendary on a slow, tacky Cardiff wicket in the CT Semi last year as well as in the UAE, but he got shown up when he went to NZ.

Let Fizz play outside the SC before coming to conclusions. I would take a young SSA without any hesitation because at least he can beat batsmen for pace on all grounds. Gets bounce off a length and bowls a quick yorker which is what you need to take wickets out of the equation. With Fizz on the other hand he needs grip off the surface for his cutters to be effective.

 

[topspin]

Fizz is good bowler but come on his trundling in 120s & 30s and people are comparing him with starc? really? He will be useful for bangladesh but idk if any other top side would even pick him in their xi.

This.

Sums up the Bangladesh fans - a few good performances and you hear:

"we're the second best in Asia"
"Mustafizur is in the same league as Starc"

Jam your hype please.

 

[BDfanforever]

Fizz is good bowler but come on his trundling in 120s & 30s and people are comparing him with starc? really? He will be useful for bangladesh but idk if any other top side would even pick him in their xi.

I disagree. Fizz without injury is easily a 140k bowler at least, even with injury his cutters or curve balls comes with 130-135k.

Shaeen Shah is a new bowler with good prospect. However, he is yet to be tested as his wickets only came against minnow teams.

 

[The Viper]

Fizz was arguably best bowler of the tournament and is great at the death. Shaheen showed great signs and could have had more wickets but fizz was more impactful in the Asia cup.

 

[Adil_94]

Fizz is on slow pitches what Amir is on seaming ones. if u combined them you would have an ATG pacer

 

[Bangalorean]

In Asia at present I would take Fizz but everywhere else Shaheen who will eventually join the likes of Starc, Rabada et al as an elite bowler because he has all the ingredients to be a gem of a fast bowler; steep bounce, pace and skills.

Fizz just has variations of cutters and different slower balls, top tier batsmen in LOI cricket will pick these and he will struggle on faster wickets in Aus, Eng, NZ and SA. For me he's a slightly superior version of Rumman Raees who also looked legendary on a slow, tacky Cardiff wicket in the CT Semi last year as well as in the UAE, but he got shown up when he went to NZ.

Let Fizz play outside the SC before coming to conclusions. I would take a young SSA without any hesitation because at least he can beat batsmen for pace on all grounds. Gets bounce off a length and bowls a quick yorker which is what you need to take wickets out of the equation. With Fizz on the other hand he needs grip off the surface for his cutters to be effective.

Also SSA may fade away or found out by big teams, so untill he performs and proves himself he will be just Prospect or Potential unproven player. Lot was said and expected about Hassan Ali in few years hype has gone down a lot.

 

[topspin]

Also SSA may fade away or found out by big teams, so untill he performs and proves himself he will be just Prospect or Potential unproven player. Lot was said and expected about Hassan Ali in few years hype has gone down a lot.

Hasan Ali never had the pace or height of the likes of Starc, Rabada and SSA to succeed in all 3 formats anyway.

 

[Bangalorean]

Hasan Ali never had the pace or height of the likes of Starc, Rabada and SSA to succeed in all 3 formats anyway.

Good if SSA does Excel, painful to see lack of quality facers in Pak team; once Pak had quality facers like Wasim, Waqar, Imran Khan, Shohaib etc.!

 

[Bangalorean]

Injury problem has pegged him back considerably. In 2016 IPL he was fast. Bowled at 143/144 at times. In 2018 he wasnt doing as good. But this Asia Cup his pace is almost around the 140 mark barring his cutters.

UAE pitches are dead for pacers especially once the batsmen are set. Fizz did a brilliant job and yes I'll say he was the best bowler in tournament given that he bowled well under pressure and won 2 matches and nearly won another defending barely 222 against the best batting line up in the world minus Kohli.

Rashid Khan and Bumrah are still doing better than him overall. Maybe if fizz remains injury free he could be rated along side them again.

Yeah, agree with most of your points. But Fizz is quite behind compared to top 5 bowlers in the world overall IMO.

Rabada
Boult
Starc
Bumrah
Hazlewood
.
.
.
Fizz

 

[RainMan_]

Fizz was arguably best bowler of the tournament and is great at the death. Shaheen showed great signs and could have had more wickets but fizz was more impactful in the Asia cup.

Yup, Fizz was by far the best bower in the Asia Cup.

As a matter of fact its unfair to expect a rookie gun barrel straight bowler like SSH to perform like fizz who happens to be one of the best loi bowlers in world cricket at the moment. We also need to keep in mind that FIZZ isn't e even 50% match fit but still he is owning world class batters left, right and center. Just imagine what would've happened if had managed to become fully fit.

What I have seen so far, SSH looks like a decent bowler. He averaged 31 in the Asia cup in his home ground where most of the team struggled to put even 250 on the board. Things will get even tougher for him from here on.

 

[the_outsider]

Hasan Ali never had the pace or height of the likes of Starc, Rabada and SSA to succeed in all 3 formats anyway.

Hasan didn't. But Wahab surely did. As did Irfan. Both of them looked just as good, if not better than SSA when they started. Look how those turned out...

So it's best to wait for a season or two before having such high hopes from a player by saying he's in the league of Starc and Rabada when he has only played 2 matches.

 

[topspin]

Hasan didn't. But Wahab surely did. As did Irfan. Both of them looked just as good, if not better than SSA when they started. Look how those turned out...

So it's best to wait for a season or two before having such high hopes from a player by saying he's in the league of Starc and Rabada when he has only played 2 matches.

I didn't say he's in that league at present, I said it's just a matter of time because he has all the ingredients to be a top class bowler.

Wahab didn't have the skills due to the lack of swing and didn't have the brightest cricketing brain either. As for Irfan he had fitness issues, so there is absolutely no basis whatsoever to claim "they looked just as good if not better". Nonsensical comparison really because SSA looks way better as a teenager, I just hope all that pressure on the knees and breaking his back in UAE doesn't make him injury prone.

 

[the_outsider]

I didn't say he's in that league at present, I said it's just a matter of time because he has all the ingredients to be a top class bowler.

Wahab didn't have the skills due to the lack of swing and didn't have the brightest cricketing brain either. As for Irfan he had fitness issues, so there is absolutely no basis whatsoever to claim "they looked just as good if not better". Nonsensical comparison really because SSA looks way better as a teenager, I just hope all that pressure on the knees and breaking his back in UAE doesn't make him injury prone.

Obviously you didn't say that SSA is already in the league of Starc. That would be a ridiculous thing to say.

What I'm saying is comparing him with Starc even based on potential is a silly idea after only 2 matches.

SSA didn't swing the the ball at all in the Asia Cup. He got seam movement. Wahab could also seam the ball from the start.

And as far as Irfan's fitness is concerned, SSA doesn't look to fit himself either. He didn't look too comfortable fielding and even dropped a sitter.

He will most probably go on to become a very good bowler. But it's still way too soon to have any judgement on him, let alone compare him Rabada, Starc, etc.

You need to hold your horses. Pakistani fans have a tendency to go overboard with every new talent. Babar was supposed the be the next Kohli. How did that turn out? Stop having so much expectations from newcomers all the time.

 

[topspin]

Obviously you didn't say that SSA is already in the league of Starc. That would be a ridiculous thing to say.

What I'm saying is comparing him with Starc even based on potential is a silly idea after only 2 matches.

SSA didn't swing the the ball at all in the Asia Cup. He got seam movement. Wahab could also seam the ball from the start.

And as far as Irfan's fitness SSA doesn't look to fit himself either. He didn't look to comfortable fielding and even dropped a sitter.

He will most probably go on to become a very good bowler. But it's still way too soon to have any judgement on him, let alone compare him Rabada, Starc, etc.

You need to hold your horses. Pakistani fans have a tendency to go overboard with every new talent. Babar was supposed the be the next Kohli. How did that turn out? Stop having so much expectations from newcomers all the time.

Nope shows you don't know me at all since you tar me with the same brush when I have repeatedly every week called out the hype circle for their excessive expectations. You can ask [MENTION=145842]Dingolfy[/MENTION] who I'll quote: "You were the only sane Pakistani here who saw through the hype". So please get your facts right before you make a fool out of yourself.

I haven't been excited about SSA since the emergence of Asif and Amir - I have every reason to be given my experience of watching the game for almost 2 decades.

You also didn't mention the dropped catches of his bowling in this tournament.

"Wahab could also seam the ball from the start". Uhmm no I don't think so, he couldn't utilise the new ball, so he was always first or second change for that reason. If he was good at seaming the ball, he would have opened the bowling a lot more.

"Babar was supposed the be the next Kohli". Again you need to understand I'm not part of the hype brigade. Funnily enough it was me who called out the most prominent member of that club since he claimed Babar > Kohli (prior to the NZ series) because at the time he was averaging more than him in the high 50s.

 

[the_outsider]

Nope shows you don't know me at all since you tar me with the same brush when I have repeatedly every week called out the hype circle for their excessive expectations. You can ask [MENTION=145842]Dingolfy[/MENTION] who I'll quote: "You were the only sane Pakistani here who saw through the hype". So please get your facts right before you make a fool out of yourself.

I haven't been excited about SSA since the emergence of Asif and Amir - I have every reason to be given my experience of watching the game for almost 2 decades.

You also didn't mention the dropped catches of his bowling in this tournament.

"Wahab could also seam the ball from the start". Uhmm no I don't think so, he couldn't utilise the new ball, so he was always first or second change for that reason. If he was good at seaming the ball, he would have opened the bowling a lot more.

"Babar was supposed the be the next Kohli". Again you need to understand I'm not part of the hype brigade. Funnily enough it was me who called out the most prominent member of that club since he claimed Babar > Kohli (prior to the NZ series) because at the time he was averaging more than him in the high 50s.

Okay if you feel so strongly about SSA then I will respect your opinion. But i stil think it's way too soon.

 

[Bangalorean]

Nope shows you don't know me at all since you tar me with the same brush when I have repeatedly every week called out the hype circle for their excessive expectations. You can ask [MENTION=145842]Dingolfy[/MENTION] who I'll quote: "You were the only sane Pakistani here who saw through the hype". So please get your facts right before you make a fool out of yourself.

I haven't been excited about SSA since the emergence of Asif and Amir - I have every reason to be given my experience of watching the game for almost 2 decades.

You also didn't mention the dropped catches of his bowling in this tournament.

"Wahab could also seam the ball from the start". Uhmm no I don't think so, he couldn't utilise the new ball, so he was always first or second change for that reason. If he was good at seaming the ball, he would have opened the bowling a lot more.

"Babar was supposed the be the next Kohli". Again you need to understand I'm not part of the hype brigade. Funnily enough it was me who called out the most prominent member of that club since he claimed Babar > Kohli (prior to the NZ series) because at the time he was averaging more than him in the high 50s.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch!

good luck to SSA

 

[saeed5646]

SSA is on another level

 

[The Googly]

Don't count your chickens before they hatch!

good luck to SSA

There is simply no comparison. SSA is on a different planet to Fizz in all forms of the game and yet SSA has loads to learn and far from the finished article.

Fizz on the other hand is a has been at the age of 24.
If ever there is an example of a one trick pony being found out, Fizz is your man.

SSA may not make it either. But at the current moment he is on a different level to Fizz.

Problem for Fizz is his leg cutters bamboozled everyone at the start but now batsman have worked him out. Without that mystery, he is cannon fodder. He will still do well in some games - especially Odi cricket. In test cricket, he would be a liability and the Bengalis have realised this.

I think unfortunately IPL has destroyed Fizz.