Who should be blamed for Umar Akmal's poor score?

[Slog]

Obviously Umar Akmal cannot be blamed for his poor performance.

So is it the captain?

Or the team management who makes him bat at #6?

Is it the batting coach?

 

[Statsman]

Umaṛ is going to hammer Faulkner and co. leading to a 320+ score today and you'll repent creating this thread. The stage is set for him.

 

[adzzy786]

He's also not rotating the strike. He's also not taking singles when available. This must be Waqars fault.

Also Umar Akmal is modelling his batting around Misbahs ODI batting so he can secure his test spot

 

[Big Mac]

Junior hasn't been the same ever since we stopped seeing tables with pretty highlighting of heavily cherry-picked stats.

 

[Slog]

He's also not rotating the strike. He's also not taking singles when available. This must be Waqars fault.

Also Umar Akmal is modelling his batting around Misbahs ODI batting so he can secure his test spot

Misbah at fault too then

 

[street cricketer]

Umaṛ is going to hammer Faulkner and co. leading to a 320+ score today and you'll repent creating this thread. The stage is set for him.

Slog counting his chickens before they hatch.

Not a clever thing to do when you're dealing with a dangerous player like Umar.

 

[adzzy786]

He's actually single handily costing us the match. How I miss the days of when Afridi, Razzaq and co would finish the match off

 

[Jabo]

The PCB FOR not selecting him

 

[LastManstanding]

Babar getting out was the motivation Umar needed. Now wait and see him channel his inner De villiers and dismantle Aussie bowling attack.

 

[LastManstanding]

A perfect cover drive for Six that would make proud. Beast unleashed.

 

[Statsman]

Slog counting his chickens before they hatch.

Not a clever thing to do when you're dealing with a dangerous player like Umar.

True. And he hits a six. 7 more to go, I say.

 

[street cricketer]

Umar did the clever thing by piling up pressure on Babar and preventing him from getting his century.

Poor guy would have received the sharmaji ka beta treatment at his home had Babar made a ton while he struggled. I can only imagine how difficult it must be as they both are cousins as well..

 

[adzzy786]

Fantastic batting. Make this guy captain

 

[Statsman]

Good little cameo there by the youngster.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Lol fail thread. Scoring 39 at a s/r of about 80 when clearly it's hard to score quickly.

 

[salman24]

you were saying?

Played well enough. 3rd highest scorer in the innings

 

[cricketInsight]

Lol fail thread. Scoring 39 at a s/r of about 80 when clearly it's hard to score quickly.

Actually poor batting given the conditions - he got a good foundation and did not make the best of it.

 

[Statsman]

This cameo will prove the difference in the end, me feels. Good to see UA deliver under pressure.

 

[Slog]

Lol fail thread. Scoring 39 at a s/r of about 80 when clearly it's hard to score quickly.

25 of those came at sub 60 SR meaning he wasted ton of balls

also put pressure on babar leading him to play a lose shot and lose the wicket

 

[Slog]

Actually poor batting given the conditions - he got a good foundation and did not make the best of it.

exactly.

these type of innings are only useful if you capitalize and make a big score. a 30 at 75 SR stakes you nowhere in the modern game

 

[Big Mac]

Poor Umar is learning a valuable lesson:

Either you're dropped and become a hero, or you bat long enough to see yourself become a Misbah

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

exactly.

these type of innings are only useful if you capitalize and make a big score. a 30 at 75 SR stakes you nowhere in the modern game

Really? Not all games are the same. Have to see the entire match before judging. Since Malik's dismissal, all of the batsmen have struggled to up the run rate.

 

[street cricketer]

india

How can I help you?

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

lol at you insisting that a 30 odd at 76 SR is not a fail

You'd be calling this a great stabilizing innings if it was Shafiq or Misbah. You made this thread too early man and now you're just trying to save face.

 

[adzzy786]

I'm watching it on tv. see my post above.

You Probably fell asleep whilst watching the innings.
You might just want to watch it again bro.
39 for s/r at 80 in the context of the game is poor. He played a poor game for what situation he was in.

 

[Abdullah719]

You'd be calling this a great stabilizing innings if it was Shafiq or Misbah. You made this thread too early man and now you're just trying to save face.

You don't play a stabilising innings when you come in at four down after 30 overs with batsmen till #8.

 

[Abdullah719]

You Probably fell asleep whilst watching the innings.
You might just want to watch it again bro.
39 for s/r at 80 in the context of the game is poor. He played a poor game for what situation he was in.

The SR is inconsequential, he sucked the momentum out of the innings and forced Babar to up the ante and then hit a six and got out.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

You Probably fell asleep whilst watching the innings.
You might just want to watch it again bro.
39 for s/r at 80 in the context of the game is poor. He played a poor game for what situation he was in.

No one is calling it great. But it does not deserve a thread like this. This is a hater thread.

 

[Indiafan]

Lol fail thread. Scoring 39 at a s/r of about 80 when clearly it's hard to score quickly.

it is hard to score quickly? Which match are you watching? Also did you see how many times he tried throwing it away. Strike rate if 80 when team was trying to accelerate

 

[Slog]

No one is calling it great. But it does not deserve a thread like this. This is a hater thread.

when the thread was made he was at an even worse 25@ 55SR and Babar had gotten out due to pressure of slow runs.

and thread is not purely for this innings. I dont think even you would disagree when I says that this is clearly not a one off event

 

[Indiafan]

Diff between 263 pak got and 300 was umar akmal today

 

[Slog]

it is hard to score quickly? Which match are you watching? Also did you see how many times he tried throwing it away. Strike rate if 80 when team was trying to accelerate

SR is 76 anyway

 

[Statsman]

it is hard to score quickly? Which match are you watching? Also did you see how many times he tried throwing it away. Strike rate if 80 when team was trying to accelerate

Not sure if striking was easy or not. The other team must bat for that to be confirmed.
But apart from Sharjeel, Babar and Malik (who was lucky with 10 extra runs due to over throws) none of the other batsmen found it easy. An SR of 80 doesn't look bad.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

it is hard to score quickly? Which match are you watching? Also did you see how many times he tried throwing it away. Strike rate if 80 when team was trying to accelerate

The match where only Sharjeel scored at a run a ball.

 

[Slog]

The match where only Sharjeel scored at a run a ball.

malik scored 39 off 42 which is almost run a ball

and others failure doesnt mean your failure is acceptable

 

[Kianig89]

it is a 320+ wicket will be a miracle if we jot up 2 successive wins down under

 

[mz123]

plz the main worry is rizwan today....

 

[Statsman]

malik scored 39* off 42 which is almost run a ball

and others failure doesnt mean your failure is acceptable

*Includes over throws and misfields.

 

[Hitman]

Lol fail thread. Scoring 39 at a s/r of about 80 when clearly it's hard to score quickly.

You saw that missed stumping chance when he was on 1* and his team needed to build partnerships,where he used his incredible brain and attempted the worst shot in the entire match period?

 

[Slog]

so coming back to purpose of the thread

Who is to blame?

 

[Xoib]

The match where only Sharjeel scored at a run a ball.

ofcourse we have Viv's and Kohli's in our line ups to set up bench marks. Its a classic knock for which Misbah got slaughtered day in and day out start slowly suck out all the momentum get a partner out under desperation hit a few near the end and end with a SR of close to 80 the only difference Misbah did this coming at 20/2 Umer did this @ 170/4

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

ofcourse we have Viv's and Kohli's in our line ups to set up bench marks. Its a classic knock for which Misbah got slaughtered day in and day out start slowly suck out all the momentum get a partner out under desperation hit a few near the end and end with a SR of close to 80 the only difference Misbah did this coming at 20/2 Umer did this @ 170/4

Misbah didn't bat at no. 4 dude.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

so coming back to purpose of the thread

Who is to blame?

I think the weather wasn't nice today... To much sunlight. And why were the crowd so noisy ??!! Cricket Australia need to look into this crowd distractions sternly

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Ignore some people.

Had Misbah played such an innings all of Pakpassion would be out with knives and sticks.

Because it's "The Chosen One" he has to be commended for 39 off 50 balls and also be patted on the back for nearly being stumped when being on 1 because at least he tried to be aggressive.

Umar fans are worse than the Umar himself.

 

[Sarfarazian92]

so coming back to purpose of the thread

Who is to blame?

Umar himself. He doesn't think along the lines of a normal person. Forget about hjs hoicks, his tuk tuk is even premeditated.

The lack of thinking and lack of brain cells can be seen on his twitter and other antics throughout his career.

 

[Xoib]

Misbah didn't bat at no. 4 dude.

so he did it mostly at 20/3 the point still stands find a better argument.

 

[waqar goraya]

I have not watched his innings today but i did watch last 5 overs of the innings and it appeared to me that this is not a very easy wicket to score quickly. Just remember that these Australian pitches have been used a lot in the recent past. In both earlier games too we saw that scoring has not been that easy.

He is definitely overweight and kind of unfit. But his innings today was not a complete failure considering how batsmen around him also struggled to up the scoring rate and that he is making a comeback to this side. All of them Rizwan, Asad, Malik and Imad found it hard to score fluently. We have ruined our ODI side by including poor ones in the place of average players.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

so he did it mostly at 20/3 the point still stands find a better argument.

It's great that you believe that but it's not true. The same old argument about how without Misbah we wouldn't even score 150-200. That's been proven false.

 

[waqar goraya]

Ignore some people.

Had Misbah played such an innings all of Pakpassion would be out with knives and sticks.

Because it's "The Chosen One" he has to be commended for 39 off 50 balls and also be patted on the back for nearly being stumped when being on 1 because at least he tried to be aggressive.

Umar fans are worse than the Umar himself.

He neither deserves admiration nor criticism for his innings today.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

He neither deserves admiration nor criticism for his innings today.

He deserves a lot of criticism for how he played, In his entire innings he had near 30 dot balls which accumulates to 5 GOD DAMN OVERS of NO SCORE whatsoever.

That is criminal in modern ODI cricket.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

He neither deserves admiration nor criticism for his innings today.

My criticism for him is based on his lack of brain.

Score 164-4 and he is on 1 off 5 balls and charges down the pitch and should have been sent to the pavilion but got lucky.

After that, he shut shop and kept taking only singles for next 40 odd balls with one anomaly being a 6.

No one asks him to hit 6's and 4's all the time.

But he showed no intent to hit and was happy to take singles or dot balls till the 45th over.

If that can't be criticized then nothing can.

 

[Zaid9470]

My question to all you genius cricket fans here is what would've happened if U.K. Had gotten out trying to hit a six early in his partnership with babar. Do you think with imad Rizwan Pakistan would've even got 250 runs. When Akmal got out Pakistan was 240 runs with 5 overs to go. Rest of the batsman had to do was take run a ball and Pakistan would've been close to 280 but they couldn't do that..

You guys are criticizing Akmal for no reason. When he plays sensible he gets criticized and when he plays blindly he gets criticized. Smh!!!!!!!

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

He neither deserves admiration nor criticism for his innings today.

Meanwhile, Asad Shafiq should keep being selected according to OP.

 

[Xoib]

It's great that you believe that but it's not true. The same old argument about how without Misbah we wouldn't even score 150-200. That's been proven false.

I am not a blind Msbah fan I do believe he held our OD cricket back however I think its double standards that people defend Umer for this knock when the same people blamed Misbah for a similar sort of innings he use to play.

 

[Slog]

ofcourse we have Viv's and Kohli's in our line ups to set up bench marks. Its a classic knock for which Misbah got slaughtered day in and day out start slowly suck out all the momentum get a partner out under desperation hit a few near the end and end with a SR of close to 80 the only difference Misbah did this coming at 20/2 Umer did this @ 170/4

So much truth.

also this just leaves eggs on faces of folks who say that Umar Akmal should bat up the order where he can set tempo of the innings. Allah bachaye aisay tempo se

 

[JibranAnsari]

Ofcourse the blame belongs to team management , all the coaches and captains he has played under and fans.



On a serious not both shafiq and akmal must be kicked out from the odi team after the series.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

I am not a blind Msbah fan I do believe he held our OD cricket back however I think its double standards that people defend Umer for this knock when the same people blamed Misbah for a similar sort of innings he use to play.

Difference is Misbah did it all the time and he did it on purpose. Akmal on the other hand has a career strike rate of 85, and clearly did not intentionally play slowly, and got out trying to up the rate.

 

[Slog]

Meanwhile, Asad Shafiq should keep being selected according to OP.

which OP are you talking abt?

asad shafiq shouldnt even be in the odi side

 

[Dr_Bassim]

My question to all you genius cricket fans here is what would've happened if U.K. Had gotten out trying to hit a six early in his partnership with babar. Do you think with imad Rizwan Pakistan would've even got 250 runs. When Akmal got out Pakistan was 240 runs with 5 overs to go. Rest of the batsman had to do was take run a ball and Pakistan would've been close to 280 but they couldn't do that..

You guys are criticizing Akmal for no reason. When he plays sensible he gets criticized and when he plays blindly he gets criticized. Smh!!!!!!!

He has no middle ground.

He can't play sensibly and score at a good enough pace.

It's all bust or bang with him.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Umar akmal even premeditates his singles , a batsman plays the deliveries on merit akmal is ready to slog , block or take a single before the bowl is delivered.

 

[waleed88]

This knock was Umar Akmal in a summary, he plays that shot over extra cover that is the 'shot of the day'

and then he gets out dancing down the track to Hazelwood and gets out caught behind.. But I guess you can't blame anyone of them, this is what Afridi taught us as a cricketer, a good looking 39 with 'aggressive intent' is better than a 50 that helps team play out the 50 overs

 

[waqar goraya]

He deserves a lot of criticism for how he played, In his entire innings he had near 30 dot balls which accumulates to 5 GOD DAMN OVERS of NO SCORE whatsoever.

That is criminal in modern ODI cricket.

My criticism for him is based on his lack of brain.

Score 164-4 and he is on 1 off 5 balls and charges down the pitch and should have been sent to the pavilion but got lucky.

After that, he shut shop and kept taking only singles for next 40 odd balls with one anomaly being a 6.

No one asks him to hit 6's and 4's all the time.

But he showed no intent to hit and was happy to take singles or dot balls till the 45th over.

If that can't be criticized then nothing can.

Babar at one stage was batting on 42 from 62 balls but his end was very reasonable and Malik at one stage was better than run a ball at 28 from 25 balls. Malik also ended with 39 off 41 balls.

Those two are enjoying almost the best form of their life where as Umar is making a comeback. And the other which includes Rizwan, Imad and Asad did even so poorly. So, basically he was not the only one who played dots.

There is no denying that he should have done better but it is not atrocious considering the overall performance, wicket and the comeback.

 

[Zohaib Shah]

Rameez and Misbah

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Umar akmal is to blame


Overall this was a poor innings, and he needs to change because for the foreseeable future we need him

 

[waqar goraya]

Ofcourse the blame belongs to team management , all the coaches and captains he has played under and fans.



On a serious not both shafiq and akmal must be kicked out from the odi team after the series.

We did a lot of damage to our ODi side by including poor replacements in place of mediocre ones. And yet are again back to Umars after failing miserably with Maqsoods.
Sharjeel delivered a beauty today. We should give players proper space once selected. If there are better players then bring in but don't waste all your previous investment.

 

[Abdullah719]

Criticism of the innings is fine but the calls for dropping him are pointless, he's only played a couple of matches since his comeback. He will get more opportunities and needs to do better.

 

[JibranAnsari]

We did a lot of damage to our ODi side by including poor replacements in place of mediocre ones. And yet are again back to Umars after failing miserably with Maqsoods.
Sharjeel delivered a beauty today. We should give players proper space once selected. If there are better players then bring in but don't waste all your previous investment.

He came back without performing in any of the domestic tourneys apart from PSL , LOL dont know why was he brought back when he couldnt perform in any of the qualifying grounds. Usually players perfrom to win their place back but akmal has only gained weight and won his place back. How easy!!!!

You need to have a brain to construct an innings and he does not have one.

 

[Slog]

I dont know why folks are taking it so personally

No one is calling for Akmal to be dropped!

 

[MRSN]

This is so ironic to see this thread was started by a person who spent his life defending Misah's ODI career.

Anyway coming back to topic, Umar Akmal knock was not only crucial to his career but it proved vital for Pakistan as well as we could see Rizwan,Immad and Amir proved to be a weak tail on such a track. If it was not for Umar's contribution we might have struggle to even reach 250. He's making comeback after a year and he is in desperate need of staying more at the wicket which is why I liked his innings. Rizwan and Imag really messed up the finish. especially Rizwan. Should have got at least 20 more than he got after playing so many deliveries.

 

[MRSN]

Umar akmal is to blame


Overall this was a poor innings, and he needs to change because for the foreseeable future we need him

I don't know what's the problem with some people here. If he goes aerial and looks for shots he is termed as a slogger and when he tries to stay at the wicket and rotate the strike people call him slow. Make up your mind what you want from him.

 

[MRSN]

Babar at one stage was batting on 42 from 62 balls but his end was very reasonable and Malik at one stage was better than run a ball at 28 from 25 balls. Malik also ended with 39 off 41 balls.

Those two are enjoying almost the best form of their life where as Umar is making a comeback. And the other which includes Rizwan, Imad and Asad did even so poorly. So, basically he was not the only one who played dots.

There is no denying that he should have done better but it is not atrocious considering the overall performance, wicket and the comeback.

Umar Akmal is making his comeback and his career is on the line...it's very reasonable he spends some time on the crease. It was not the worst innings by any mean. Still decent rate he scored at. Rizwan could have finished better. That really spoiled all the efforts.

 

[Abdullah719]

People need to understand the concept of momentum and how important it is. It's the reason why Sharjeel is a crucial part of the team and the reason why we need a functioning middle-order. Playing so many dot balls in the middle-order is unacceptable and it shows why Malik and Sarfraz are crucial cogs in this lineup.

 

[MRSN]

I dont know why folks are taking it so personally

No one is calling for Akmal to be dropped!

nothing personal but it is so obivious that you have one set of rules for Misbah and other for Umar Akmal. You made this thread when he was kind of resurrecting the innings and building a fine partnership with Baber knowing the fact that we don't have a proper batsman to come after this wicket.

 

[JibranAnsari]

lol@ rotating the strike? He was 23 off 40 deliveries when pakistan was in good position and could have played a lot freely. That was poor batting , its either brainless slogging or reasonless blocking. He cost pakistan at least 30 runs in the end. He is not a batsman , he does not know how to play bowling on merit.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

I don't know what's the problem with some people here. If he goes aerial and looks for shots he is termed as a slogger and when he tries to stay at the wicket and rotate the strike people call him slow. Make up your mind what you want from him.

He should have been more proactive, given the situation. If Misbah played this innings we would all (rightfully) slate him

 

[Slog]

nothing personal but it is so obivious that you have one set of rules for Misbah and other for Umar Akmal. You made this thread when he was kind of resurrecting the innings and building a fine partnership with Baber knowing the fact that we don't have a proper batsman to come after this wicket.

if Misbah played this innings (of which he was Grand Master), he would have been criticised a lot

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

if Misbah played this innings (of which he was Grand Master), he would have been criticised a lot

No he wouldn't. This would be a pretty good innings for him. Now we're watching Australia bat slowly too, and as I said earlier in the thread, you have to watch the entire game to judge an innings.

 

[JibranAnsari]

He still has two more matches to play a good innings though.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

which OP are you talking abt?

asad shafiq shouldnt even be in the odi side

You just said in another thread today that you don't want him dropped prematurely after just two games. Thing is, he shouldn't even be in the squad, he's already played 50+ games.

 

[Slog]

You just said in another thread today that you don't want him dropped prematurely after just two games. Thing is, he shouldn't even be in the squad, he's already played 50+ games.

no i said that he shouldnt be in the squad.

but if he is to be dropped id rather him play more games and then be dropped for good

rather than dropped now and then broughh back 3 months later on the pretense that he didnt get a fair number of chances