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Who will you miss more: Younis Khan or Misbah-ul-Haq?

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Two batsman who have served pakistan for a long time.

One has more than 10.000 runs, the other more than 5000.

Who will you miss more ? Who would you want not to retire ?
 
Younis was part of the collapse.

So offcourse misbah
 
Younis he is the last remnant of the cricketers i grew up watching as a kid.
 
Younis so many memories and he remind me of the good old Pakistani team while Misbah remind me that the good old pakistani team is gone!
 
I'm actually delighted that this is Misbah's last match. Will miss YK for a bit, but game moves on, no cricketer is bigger than the team.
 
Neither, and contrary to popular belief, I don't think we need them.
 
Younis was the better test batsman for sure but I'm going to miss Misbah a great deal more for what he meant to Pakistan cricket as a whole.

Wait until you see all the drama surrounding the captaincy now that he's gone. People forget the good old days of the 90s when we would have XIs with as many as eight players that were, or would become, Pakistan captain at one point or another, throwing games and choking because they were too busy fighting with each other.

Misbah was the fourth person to captain Pakistan in tests in 2010. Think about it, that's insane.

The year began with Oathgate rumbling on and players being punished left, right and centre. MoYo got sacked, banned, retired then unretired. Afridi took over the captaincy then retired halfway through a test. Butt was captain number 3 in 2010 and then ended the year in jail.

Misbah took over after all of that insanity, with his best players in jail, Younis still not in the team after being banned indefinitely and Pakistan without a test series win in four years.

Pakistan cricket can never repay him for what he did for us.

:salute :salute :salute
 
I will miss the YK one legged drive and Misbah tuk tuk knee six for sure.
 
I'm glad Younis is retiring. Misbah's as captain, player and even fielder will be immense. His never say die attitude and patience was key.
 
None.
I am looking for brighter days ahead.
Really really hope Hafeez doesnt come in the test team. Please NOOO!!!
 
Both have served their country admiraly

Their retirement will be a great loss to cricket
 
Younis the batsman and Misbah the captain. Next 2 years are going to be very rough for us. Brace yourselves.
 
Can't wait to see their backs. However, knowing the PCB they would more than likely introduce Fawad and Hafeez in the name of experience and torture us for another decade.
 
YK in batting.

Misbah for everything else including being maganimous and a team man.

In truth, both have disappointed in terms of output in the last year or so - going missing for large swathes of the major tours in England, NZ and Australia. The tone of most posters should mellow down after a few months and years past their retirements but right now, it must be said, fresh faces and talent is required. :afridi
 
Oh, please------------I just want them to leave the time ASAP. Its has not been fun watching them lately, let the new players come in. No, none of them will be missed.
 
YK the test batsmen is someone Pakistan would most certainly miss for a while. I understand that he's been at a low ebb (with regards to form) these last 8 months or so but overall he was an extremely competent test batsmen.

Also the fact that YK represents the last bit from the Titans era is something that will make a lot of folks who grew up at that time a bit sad to see him go...

Nevertheless every player no matter how good he would be during his prime always has to retire at some point and I guess YK calling it a day is in the best interest of everyone involved.

As for Misbah, well he did his job as best he could and with whatever limited ability he had as a cricketer. There is no point in bashing someone who's ceiling is as high as Misbah's and we should just let the man retire peacefully - he was given a job to do and he did it as best he could.

The correct reaction should be to look towards the future and make sure that we make the correct selection and cricketing decisions from hence forth.

No player is bigger than the game and the retiring of two blokes will not be the end of the world - people need to get on with it now.

If you support Pakistan you will support the boys who we field as an XI irrespective of whether your favorites are there or not. That is what being a true fan really is.....
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OnThisDay?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#OnThisDay</a> in 2017. The end of an era as Misbah-ul-Haq & Younis Khan retired from international cricket with Pakistan winning a historic & thrilling Test series against W Indies with 1 over to spare. The victory was Pakistan's first ever Test series win in the Caribbean <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/luT4rtqt5P">pic.twitter.com/luT4rtqt5P</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1657700046022819840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 14, 2023</a></blockquote>
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Mamoon said:
Neither, and contrary to popular belief, I don't think we need them.
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Not bumping this to troll or laugg because many of us did agree with this statement at the time.

However looking back these two carried us massively, especially Younis.

Things did not get better when they left, they got much much worse.

Azhar and Asad just couldn't step up.

Both Misbah and Younis legacies may be damaged slightly by other events - Younis because he's a bit crazy and Misbah because of his stint as a coach.

But looking back itz safe to say they were two titans of our test game that we just haven't been able to replace.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OnThisDay?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#OnThisDay</a> in 2017. The end of an era as Misbah-ul-Haq & Younis Khan retired from international cricket with Pakistan winning a historic & thrilling Test series against W Indies with 1 over to spare. The victory was Pakistan's first ever Test series win in the Caribbean <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/luT4rtqt5P">pic.twitter.com/luT4rtqt5P</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1657700046022819840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 14, 2023</a></blockquote>
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One of the best last days of test cricket.
 
Since their departure, we have been a poor Test team. Watching our batters struggle against spinners is painful to watch and letting the opposition from periods of relative strength has been uncharacteristic especially at home.

Last time we were able to control a test at home was against SA in 2021.
 
2 fantastic Test batters.

Both badly missed in Test cricket.
 
Brilliant test batters who ruined our white ball game for over a decade

YK is my choice in test cricket. Always loved how he turned into T20 mode when he was nearing his hundreds.
 
gazza619 said:
Brilliant test batters who ruined our white ball game for over a decade

YK is my choice in test cricket. Always loved how he turned into T20 mode when he was nearing his hundreds.
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YK at one point did become a 90-100 sr number 3 in ODI. He was not as bad as people make him out to be in ODI cricket
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Not bumping this to troll or laugg because many of us did agree with this statement at the time.

However looking back these two carried us massively, especially Younis.

Things did not get better when they left, they got much much worse.

Azhar and Asad just couldn't step up.

Both Misbah and Younis legacies may be damaged slightly by other events - Younis because he's a bit crazy and Misbah because of his stint as a coach.

But looking back itz safe to say they were two titans of our test game that we just haven't been able to replace.
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Looking back at the last 5 years, I would say that Pakistan missed Younis but not necessarily Misbah because Babar replaced his runs. In fact, Babar has been more prolific with the bat than Misbah.

Azhar and Shafiq were never going to fill the void of Younis individually but had they sustained their 2014-16 level, they could have collectively replaced Younis. However, both completely tanked after his retirement.

They looked young in comparison to Misbah and Younis but they were in their mid 30’s already when the former two retired and their subsequent decline happened rapidly.

Once can argue that Pakistan missed Misbah’s captaincy if not runs, but Misbah’s captaincy would have suffered with the decline of Yasir. He was very dependent on utilizing his spinners and the lack of quality spinners in recent years have hurt Pakistan big time especially at home.

Yasir has ghosted the last 4 years and his decline and absence has hurt Pakistan’s Test form as much as the retirement of Younis and Misbah.
 
Neither, Misbah leeched on to his playing career far too long, while Younis also played on too long past his best, he became a toxic character.
 
Mamoon said:
Looking back at the last 5 years, I would say that Pakistan missed Younis but not necessarily Misbah because Babar replaced his runs. In fact, Babar has been more prolific with the bat than Misbah.

Azhar and Shafiq were never going to fill the void of Younis individually but had they sustained their 2014-16 level, they could have collectively replaced Younis. However, both completely tanked after his retirement.

They looked young in comparison to Misbah and Younis but they were in their mid 30’s already when the former two retired and their subsequent decline happened rapidly.

Once can argue that Pakistan missed Misbah’s captaincy if not runs, but Misbah’s captaincy would have suffered with the decline of Yasir. He was very dependent on utilizing his spinners and the lack of quality spinners in recent years have hurt Pakistan big time especially at home.

Yasir has ghosted the last 4 years and his decline and absence has hurt Pakistan’s Test form as much as the retirement of Younis and Misbah.
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Pakistan was too much in a hurry to drop Yasir. He is still better than the spinners bowling now for Pakistan. Pakistan should have been patient about Yasir, he was going through a bad patch an off form period. Yasir was a brilliant leggie.
 
I don't miss Misbah at all, was very happy when he left Pakistan cricket, 4-5 years too late .
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Miss? I'm over the moon right now. Finally get to see some new faces.
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P much lol. 6 years later (time flies), and I still feel the same.

Grateful for their contributions, but it’s not like we’ve had to fill the boots of Imran Khan and Brian Lara.
 
Mamoon said:
Looking back at the last 5 years, I would say that Pakistan missed Younis but not necessarily Misbah because Babar replaced his runs. In fact, Babar has been more prolific with the bat than Misbah.

Azhar and Shafiq were never going to fill the void of Younis individually but had they sustained their 2014-16 level, they could have collectively replaced Younis. However, both completely tanked after his retirement.

They looked young in comparison to Misbah and Younis but they were in their mid 30’s already when the former two retired and their subsequent decline happened rapidly.

Once can argue that Pakistan missed Misbah’s captaincy if not runs, but Misbah’s captaincy would have suffered with the decline of Yasir. He was very dependent on utilizing his spinners and the lack of quality spinners in recent years have hurt Pakistan big time especially at home.

Yasir has ghosted the last 4 years and his decline and absence has hurt Pakistan’s Test form as much as the retirement of Younis and Misbah.
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Sorry you are wrong.

Misbah was an expert captain. Pakistan dominated at UAE and at home under his captaincy and even coaching.

You can bring back younis, but you will still lose as captaining in these conditions is itself an art that Misbah had mastered.

As for the yasir comment, the same was said when Saeed Ajmal's career ended, that Misbah was nothing without him, yet Misbah bought abdul rehman, zulfiqar babar and other spinners. Misbah even used Bilal Asif very successfully. Infact, he was pushing for Shadab Khan to come up in the test arena aswell.

Misbah knew how to use the spinners on these grounds and he knew the exact pitch needed for spinners. His reading of the conditions was marvelous
 
Mainul said:
Pakistan was too much in a hurry to drop Yasir. He is still better than the spinners bowling now for Pakistan. Pakistan should have been patient about Yasir, he was going through a bad patch an off form period. Yasir was a brilliant leggie.
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It seemed as if they did not want Yasir to become highest spin wicket taker in test cricket for Pakistan
 
Major said:
Sorry you are wrong.

Misbah was an expert captain. Pakistan dominated at UAE and at home under his captaincy and even coaching.

You can bring back younis, but you will still lose as captaining in these conditions is itself an art that Misbah had mastered.

As for the yasir comment, the same was said when Saeed Ajmal's career ended, that Misbah was nothing without him, yet Misbah bought abdul rehman, zulfiqar babar and other spinners. Misbah even used Bilal Asif very successfully. Infact, he was pushing for Shadab Khan to come up in the test arena aswell.

Misbah knew how to use the spinners on these grounds and he knew the exact pitch needed for spinners. His reading of the conditions was marvelous
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With all due respect, I do not want to have Misbah-related discussion with you after you called him a better ODI batsman than Inzamam.

You are incapable of having an objective, unbiased discussion when it comes to Misbah so this discussion is futile.
 
Younis Khan is an ATG test batsman for Pakistan, definitely in the top 5 or 6. Misbah is nowhere close to that and was poor in white ball cricket as a player and captain. He had some good wins as test captain though and was a dependable test batsman.
 
Major said:
It seemed as if they did not want Yasir to become highest spin wicket taker in test cricket for Pakistan
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Pakistan is the worst team in the history when it comes to handling the career of a bowler. Other than Wasim no bowler had a long test career who played at least 100 tests. Pakistan got some best spinners in the world in 90s and 2000s, even better than India. Saqlain, Azmal, Mustaq, Danish kaneria, Yasir all could have played 100 plus tests and could have taken 400,even 500 plus test wickets. But Pakistan mishandled them completely. No support or treatment after injury, no support in off form or bad patch, no support in crisis in their career ( Azmal, Kaneria) , no support in regaining form or confidence. These can also be said about the Pakistani pacers too.No Pakistani pacer got 400 plus test wickets for Pakistan except Wasim . But they were blessed with some amazing pacers. Alas!
 
Firstly - these two should never be bracketed together. Younis - an all time great will be missed in any team he departs from.

Misbah was a glorified lassi maker who’s career was pretty much both over in 2010 after some abysmal tours of Aus and Eng and general mediocrity. The spot fixing saga was a lifeline for him. He did not do Pakistan a favour. He lucked out Pakistan we’re looking for an interim captain.

Extremely defensive, he set our cricket back 20 years and we’re still trying to recover.

If anyone still misses him there must be other extracurricular reasons rather than miss him from a cricketing perspective
 
Mainul said:
Pakistan was too much in a hurry to drop Yasir. He is still better than the spinners bowling now for Pakistan. Pakistan should have been patient about Yasir, he was going through a bad patch an off form period. Yasir was a brilliant leggie.
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I mean Yasir wasn't doing himself much favours either by showing some pretty poor performances in FC cricket recently. If he can't consistently take wickets in the Quaid-e-Azam trophy, how do you expect him to perform well in international cricket?
 
TheSultan said:
Firstly - these two should never be bracketed together. Younis - an all time great will be missed in any team he departs from.

Misbah was a glorified lassi maker who’s career was pretty much both over in 2010 after some abysmal tours of Aus and Eng and general mediocrity. The spot fixing saga was a lifeline for him. He did not do Pakistan a favour. He lucked out Pakistan we’re looking for an interim captain.

Extremely defensive, he set our cricket back 20 years and we’re still trying to recover.

If anyone still misses him there must be other extracurricular reasons rather than miss him from a cricketing perspective
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Misbah was even smart in his retirement! He did it at the same time as one of our all time great batsman (YK) so that now they are forever linked! Poor YK, becoming lumped together with Misbah, as if they were somehow on an equal level.

This whole "MisYou" thing made me sick to my stomach. You're comparing the first Pakistani batsman to score over 10,000 test runs with someone else who managed to take us to no. 8 in the ODI rankings and whose captaincy was atrocious in countries like Australia - and I'm not using that word for fun, it was considered some of the world captaincy on planet earth's history!

Anyway each to their own. Some people want to aggrandize Misbah then so bet it. For me he was a horrible blight on the game. I don't care about how he took over after Salman Butt. Anyone could have.
 
And by the way, YK tried at the same time to say, don't compare me to him. But the stupid Misbah lovers refused and tried to treat them as some amazing pair that loved each other and had equal accomplishments! What a joke. Poor YK never got his due.

And Misbah? Lapping it up. He, don't forget, was one of those wildly immature people who even publicly stated he threw his cricket gear into a fire or something ridiculous in a fit of rage. It is hilarious how he is so adored by vast swathes of ignoramuses.
 
True cricket lovers and fans will appreciate how great YK was independent of anything to do with the era of Misbah. YK was in the era of Yousuf and Inzi as batsmen. He had insane partnerships with them.
 
I can't tell you how many times when Pak was in dire straits, to see YK come out and act like nothing is a big deal. He would just stroke a 4 like there was no pressure. He would slowly wrest the initiative from the other team and put the pressure back on them. Look at his strike rate. I believe it is over 50. Ian Chappell once said the mark of a good test batsman is not only their average but a strike rate over 50. YK knew how to put the pressure back on the other team. He was a master batsman in tests.
 
I feel that Younis shouldn't come away completely smelling of roses if Misbah is to be bashed. YK may have been a great batsman for Pak but he was the ultimate drama queen. Who can forget his forced entry into the ODI side at the WC then subsequent "retirement" in the UAE in order to gain a guard of honour. Underneath that fake smile, he was a dark and sinister character.

I can only remember of him being a mediocre ODI batsman and someone who prolonged his test career way too long just like Misbah. His hopping around in one of the test matches in England was downright embarrassing. Yeh he did score big in one of these games but old age had caught up with him and was a shell of a batsman he once was. Him propagating the seniority culture was very toxic allowing other average players like Hafeez and Malik to follow suit.
 
Younis the superior player by far, but the inferior character.
 
Kroll said:
I feel that Younis shouldn't come away completely smelling of roses if Misbah is to be bashed. YK may have been a great batsman for Pak but he was the ultimate drama queen. Who can forget his forced entry into the ODI side at the WC then subsequent "retirement" in the UAE in order to gain a guard of honour. Underneath that fake smile, he was a dark and sinister character.

I can only remember of him being a mediocre ODI batsman and someone who prolonged his test career way too long just like Misbah. His hopping around in one of the test matches in England was downright embarrassing. Yeh he did score big in one of these games but old age had caught up with him and was a shell of a batsman he once was. Him propagating the seniority culture was very toxic allowing other average players like Hafeez and Malik to follow suit.
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Ah are we talking about YK the player or something else. The Misbah bashing has to do with his playing and captaincy and his attitude towards cricket. Are you really trying to say that we should judge some arguments between YK and the board. Do you remember when the board just decided out of the blue to ban YK and Moyo? What clowns are they? And have you not considered the various trantrums that players like Moyo, Inzi, Miandad, Imran and so on have thrown? Do you judge them by that? I don't think so. So please. Just stop with the **.
 
Blistering Barnacle said:
Misbah was even smart in his retirement! He did it at the same time as one of our all time great batsman (YK) so that now they are forever linked! Poor YK, becoming lumped together with Misbah, as if they were somehow on an equal level.

This whole "MisYou" thing made me sick to my stomach. You're comparing the first Pakistani batsman to score over 10,000 test runs with someone else who managed to take us to no. 8 in the ODI rankings and whose captaincy was atrocious in countries like Australia - and I'm not using that word for fun, it was considered some of the world captaincy on planet earth's history!

Anyway each to their own. Some people want to aggrandize Misbah then so bet it. For me he was a horrible blight on the game. I don't care about how he took over after Salman Butt. Anyone could have.
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Misbah didnt know younis was retiring, he announced it and than Younis went up to him and said afterwards that he was also planning to retire.

As for anyone could had captained, umm nope.

After butt, misbah wasnt even teh captain it was Afridi, and the guy ended up fighting with Ijazz Butt. What Misbah did was no small feat, when Pakistan went to England after what Amir and co did, that series ended with out self respect restored. Misbah walking with Cook was an iconic picture, where the captain held his head high.

Misbah gave us an unbeaten record at a neutral venue. Till this day no other Pakistani captain has stayed undefeated in UAE as they cant use spinners like Misbah did
 
Blistering Barnacle said:
And by the way, YK tried at the same time to say, don't compare me to him. But the stupid Misbah lovers refused and tried to treat them as some amazing pair that loved each other and had equal accomplishments! What a joke. Poor YK never got his due.

And Misbah? Lapping it up. He, don't forget, was one of those wildly immature people who even publicly stated he threw his cricket gear into a fire or something ridiculous in a fit of rage. It is hilarious how he is so adored by vast swathes of ignoramuses.
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Its not Misbahs fault if YK had an inflated ego.

Misbah never literally threw his cricket gear i fire, stop making up stuff.

Misbah will always be the greatest test captain Pakistan ever had, when someone tops his no. of wins, only than a discussion can take place
 
Younis has World Cup under his name and misbah had World Cup loss under his name! Misbah is not a legend
 
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