Why are our potential superstars involved in illegal practices?

[GoUgandaCranes]

this might be a repeat thread but anyway

the justice qayyum report highlighted some of our major superstars involved in match fixing practices.

in 2010 the brightest spots in our team were ripped away.

now the only modern player that we have and someone who could have helped rebuild a team is involved in such a practice.

why is it that those who could potentially become super stars for us are so insecure that they get themselves involved in petty practices? sharjeel had a deal to play friends life t20 and what not

someone involved with the players please highlight the insecurity behind our players thoughts.

p.s. i am having problems with the caps lock and shift so no caps in my posts anymore. apologies for that.

 

[Major]

Potential superstars are the guys who play every match. They are the guys who are being watched by everyone.

In simple terms where there is demand there is a price for it.

As more people will watch a potential superstar, thus more people will place bets on that guy.

Thus, the bookies start luring these guys in, they offer them good amount of money, and if the guy is corruptable, he accepts it.

Now its not necessary that every super star is corrupt. Misbah and afridi never did this kind of stuff. Not even younis khan or ajmal

 

[Donal Cozzie]

Potential superstars are the guys who play every match. They are the guys who are being watched by everyone.

In simple terms where there is demand there is a price for it.

As more people will watch a potential superstar, thus more people will place bets on that guy.

Thus, the bookies start luring these guys in, they offer them good amount of money, and if the guy is corruptable, he accepts it.

Now its not necessary that every super star is corrupt. Misbah and afridi never did this kind of stuff. Not even younis khan or ajmal

I'm no fixing expert but I know betting and how popular a player is has nothing really to do with how many people will bet on him. From a fixer POV all you need is a player, whether it be a superstar or a nobody, to agree to play lets say a sub 50 SR innings and that's it.

If anything a non superstar will have less scrutiny and be more attractive for fixers

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

I'm no fixing expert but I know betting and how popular a player is has nothing really to do with how many people will bet on him. From a fixer POV all you need is a player, whether it be a superstar or a nobody, to agree to play lets say a sub 50 SR innings and that's it.

If anything a non superstar will have less scrutiny and be more attractive for fixers

that is my thought process too. say for example in psl, you know that a mediocre player will also get a chance to play and they will also be in there for some role. people will still bet on them and them bowling an expensive over or getting out will also make money. will go under the radar too.

my question however is that a player like sharjeel say for example in this case should not be lured in for a quick buck because he is going to make a lot of money in the long run. the guy had a deal to play the english t20 tournament for gods sake. a certain starter for pakistan and someone whose international stock is rising with every innings. why would someone with such a bright future act with so little caution and intelligence.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

that is my thought process too. say for example in psl, you know that a mediocre player will also get a chance to play and they will also be in there for some role. people will still bet on them and them bowling an expensive over or getting out will also make money. will go under the radar too.

my question however is that a player like sharjeel say for example in this case should not be lured in for a quick buck because he is going to make a lot of money in the long run. the guy had a deal to play the english t20 tournament for gods sake. a certain starter for pakistan and someone whose international stock is rising with every innings. why would someone with such a bright future act with so little caution and intelligence.

Greed, perceived lack of punishment, tolerance in past of these actions, fans forgiving nature in the past, combination of all

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

Greed, perceived lack of punishment, tolerance in past of these actions, fans forgiving nature in the past, combination of all

idk donal, someone should go and tell them that the future earning potential for the superstars is way too much to risk on an iffy decision for some early gain. khalid latif i can understand, but sharjeel. even though nothing has been proved yet but still sharjeel of all the people.

man this is just gut wrenching. it is like feeling kicked in the gut and falling flat on the ground and not willing to stand up again because you know this will never stop.

 

[Major]

I'm no fixing expert but I know betting and how popular a player is has nothing really to do with how many people will bet on him. From a fixer POV all you need is a player, whether it be a superstar or a nobody, to agree to play lets say a sub 50 SR innings and that's it.

If anything a non superstar will have less scrutiny and be more attractive for fixers

No one is going to bother to bet on asif ali or hussain talar, because they are nobodies, and no one knows if they would be playing or not.

 

[Zeshan547]

Because greed is not the answer, because even the greediest person who hasn't loss his senses won't do what 2010 trio and sharjeel have did, i mean risking potentially minimum 40 to 50 million dollars over next 50 years and fame all over the world for even less than a million dollar being ashamed for rest of their life.

 

[itsme]

I personally think it's a bccicc conspiracy to make pak's team weak but there is too much talent out there it's impossible

 

[itsme]

Because greed is not the answer, because even the greediest person who hasn't loss his senses won't do what 2010 trio and sharjeel have did, i mean risking potentially minimum 40 to 50 million dollars over next 50 years and fame all over the world for even less than a million dollar being ashamed for rest of their life.

For some thousand dollars*

 

[Bewal Express]

I am not trying to defend it but in a society where NS and AZ rule the roost, morality is something that has little resonance with the majority of the population. In essence you take what you can.

 

[uberkoen]

No one is going to bother to bet on asif ali or hussain talar, because they are nobodies, and no one knows if they would be playing or not.

oh bhai. If you bet on an entire match and players like Asif Ali and Hussain Talar are playing in the game then these type of players would be enough to change the direction of the game.

 

[IMMY69]

Corruption is systemic within our entire system.

 

[uberkoen]

I am not trying to defend it but in a society where NS and AZ rule the roost, morality is something that has little resonance with the majority of the population. In essence you take what you can.

A bit of stupid post. What does politics have to do with all this?

 

[uberkoen]

Corruption is systemic within our culture.

Are you corrupt as well? What the hell does your statement even mean? Makes no sense.

 

[IMMY69]

A bit of stupid post. What does politics have to do with all this?

I think this post is absolutely spot on!

Kids are born in to a world full of corruption. They have 10-15 years of it before they receive anti corruption lectures from the PCB, and that's if they happen to be a child prodigy.

 

[IMMY69]

Are you corrupt as well? What the hell does your statement even mean? Makes no sense.

I edited my post. It is systemic within our society.

 

[uberkoen]

I think this post is absolutely spot on!

Kids are born in to a world full of corruption. They have 10-15 years of it before they receive anti corruption lectures from the PCB, and that's if they happen to be a child prodigy.

You and millions of other are born in the same world. Are you corrupt as well? Is everyone corrupt? Let's not shift the blame.

 

[IMMY69]

[MENTION=107753]uberkoen[/MENTION]

Drink a glass of water to calm yourself down before posting.
Everyone is entitled to their views and calling someone stupid is not the way to make your argument.

 

[IMMY69]

You and millions of other are born in the same world. Are you corrupt as well? Is everyone corrupt? Let's not shift the blame.

If you think that systemic corruption in Pakistan doesn't play a part in this then fair enough.

 

[Major]

oh bhai. If you bet on an entire match and players like Asif Ali and Hussain Talar are playing in the game then these type of players would be enough to change the direction of the game.

Bets of spot fixing are more common.

To change the result of the whole match then you need to get captain under your wing

 

[Major]

A bit of stupid post. What does politics have to do with all this?

It does. It gives you a sense of getting away with.

When there is corruption of high level this directly means that law and order is weak, when law and order is weak then everyone exploits it and take watever they could.

Corruption only exists due to weak law and order

 

[IMMY69]

It does. It gives you a sense of getting away with.

When there is corruption of high level this directly means that law and order is weak, when law and order is weak then everyone exploits it and take watever they could.

Corruption only exists due to weak law and order

I would add a lack of proper education also plays a part.

 

[Pete Rose]

That's easy enough to answer, because they think they can get away with it

 

[Asim2Good]

Pak team need to cut off their off the fields gatherings/invitations/parties (official ones).
As these are places where someone new ll meet players n ll take advantage of players whenever he has player's trusts.
Pakistani players should stop this "laid back" attitude too, where "friend" of my "friend" is my friend too and I can hang out with them.

 

[IMMY69]

That's easy enough to answer, because they think they can get away with it

they're that stupid

 

[Bewal Express]

A bit of stupid post. What does politics have to do with all this?

So these guys grow up in a vacuum?

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Interesting.

Because "superstar" is a word coined by us.

Sharjeel was nowhere close to a "superstar" and even though he was "potentially" going to get a windfall in the next 10 years,

when the same windfall is promised in 6 PSL matches, instead of 10 years of hard work,

Well, then I am pretty sure the offer is too lucrative to ignore.

Just to lucrative to ignore....

 

[Saj]

Money, money and money.

Greed, greed and greed.

 

[uberkoen]

So these guys grow up in a vacuum?

Millions of people grow up in the same environment. How many end up being corrupt? This is a silly excuse and nothing else.

 

[IMMY69]

Millions of people grow up in the same environment. How many end up being corrupt? This is a silly excuse and nothing else.

Anyone who throws 50 rupees to a traffic cop is participating in corruption.

Anyone villager who accepts 500 rupees to vote for a certain politician is doing likewise.

Anyone who pays for their drivers license without taking a test or jumps a que by sticking 10 rupees into someone's pocket is not only participating but promoting corruption.

Now I'm not an expert on this but it seems a lot of people do indulge in corruption. Doesn't matter what level it is on, corruption is corruption.

 

[super hitter]

Being Muslim, you just can't even think of betting.

They're Stupid who think they'll get away with it, when I used to steel even 5 rupees in my childhood, I used to get caught

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

Interesting.

Because "superstar" is a word coined by us.

Sharjeel was nowhere close to a "superstar" and even though he was "potentially" going to get a windfall in the next 10 years,

when the same windfall is promised in 6 PSL matches, instead of 10 years of hard work,

Well, then I am pretty sure the offer is too lucrative to ignore.

Just to lucrative to ignore....

the thing is that he is not a fringe player. even our coach has gone out in the media and said it multiple times that we will build a team around sharjeel and babar. i am not sure how much money is offered here but surely if you have a possible ten years cricket career ahead you will not be stupid enough to mess it up. no matter what was he offered, it would still be possible for him to earn that. not as if the fixers offer them 20 million dollars to fix a match etc.

my main point of concern is how can these people be so stupid to risk it all for very little gain. how? why? what do they even think before going this way? how does the mind of our players work? can we do a detailed study of someone who has done this to understand the real reasons why they make such mistakes time and time and time and time and time again.

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=136528]super hitter[/MENTION] that doesnt matter when it comes to corruption in Pakistan. Watched Sharjeels interview before the tournament and the amount of time the guy said inshallah with the grace of God for his success and he was doing dodgy dealings all along. People have cognitive dissonance when it comes to corruption. Same people who will become moral police when it comes to other issues but when it comes to bribery and corruption they participate in it.

 

[Saj]

Millions of people grow up in the same environment. How many end up being corrupt? This is a silly excuse and nothing else.

The more money they earn, the more they want to make.

Treated as heroes, freebies everywhere, yet that is still not enough.

 

[moghul]

Greed has no limit.

And, look who is ruling the country.

 

[Bewal Express]

Millions of people grow up in the same environment. How many end up being corrupt? This is a silly excuse and nothing else.

I am not excusing their behaviour, i think its greedy and pathetic but they dont live in a vacuum.We have a thieving PM, we have a billionaire opposition leader who has never done an honest days work in his life, the whole political system is corrupt and anyone who can live honestly in such a system, has very high morals.

 

[JaDed]

Money, money and money.

Greed, greed and greed.

You have not said a lot on this Saj,what is your understanding of the issue?

 

[JaDed]

The reasons for corruption in GOV offices in south Asia occur are:
1.Top level leaders are corrupt and can spin stories
2.Many say corruption started initially because salaries were low comparatively
3.Most people in South Asia have almost accepted that gov offices will take bribe

Now lets compare this to Cricket:
1.PCB might be inefficient but no way is known to be corrupt.
2.Some players in the past might have been involved in illegal activities but were banned and served punishments and future players knew the consequences of the same.

Now considering the above scenarios the reasons here can only be absolute "GREED" ,one cannot blame the nation/leader because the nations don't look upto Nawaz or PML they look upto Imran still as a hero,Afridi too and both have never been named in any corruption scandals.

Incase it was only an approach and still he didn't inform this guy needs to be banned(1 year min) because either PCB didn't sit down with him on rules or he is absolutely dim as a professional cricket player of a top level team.

 

[The_KING]

Lack of education. Most of our cricketers are jahil and not properly educated.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Lack of education. Most of our cricketers are jahil and not properly educated.

Butt was somewhat educated I think.

 

[The_KING]

Butt was somewhat educated I think.

Of course educated people can also indulge in bad things but an uneducated player is more likely to fix than an educated one.

 

[Syed1]

A bit of stupid post. What does politics have to do with all this?

NS and AZ being our rulers despite being corrupt scums shows that the overall population isn't any better. These rulers (and cricketers) are also a part of the same general population.

That is what Bewal Express was trying to convey. But it would be a 'stupid post' for you since you are on record of having said that "I know Nawaz Sharif is corrupt but I will still vote for him"

 

[Syed1]

Being Muslim, you just can't even think of betting.

They're Stupid who think they'll get away with it, when I used to steel even 5 rupees in my childhood, I used to get caught

Religion isn't much of a deterrent when it comes to undertaking a crime.


Also in the western world there are several leagues going on at the same time. Each of those leagues is several times bigger than PSL. In North America alone you have NFL, NHL, NBA, MLB and MLS. Have you ever heard that bookies are ruling the roost in those leagues? No.. Because betting isn't forbidden and therefore the bookies do not make a windfall of money by fixing matches.

The solution to this problem is to allow betting but heavily regulate it.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

Religion isn't much of a deterrent when it comes to undertaking a crime.


Also in the western world there are several leagues going on at the same time. Each of those leagues is several times bigger than PSL. In North America alone you have NFL, NHL, NBA, MLB and MLS. Have you ever heard that bookies are ruling the roost in those leagues? No.. Because betting isn't forbidden and therefore the bookies do not make a windfall of money by fixing matches.

The solution to this problem is to allow betting but heavily regulate it.

there has been reports of fixing in tennis, italy went through a massive betting scandals as well despite betting being legal.

 

[Syed1]

there has been reports of fixing in tennis, italy went through a massive betting scandals as well despite betting being legal.

I don't know about tennis, but the Italy scandal was entire clubs trying to fix matches for money (not individual players like we have here).

 

[blackanhyellow]

Religion isn't much of a deterrent when it comes to undertaking a crime.


Also in the western world there are several leagues going on at the same time. Each of those leagues is several times bigger than PSL. In North America alone you have NFL, NHL, NBA, MLB and MLS. Have you ever heard that bookies are ruling the roost in those leagues? No.. Because betting isn't forbidden and therefore the bookies do not make a windfall of money by fixing matches.

The solution to this problem is to allow betting but heavily regulate it.

The problem with that logic is that in Pakistan betting is considered morally wrong due to religious reasons, it is not morally wrong in United States.

Pakistan could also make alcohol legal to avoid smuggling and people making their own alcohol at home (which causes many deaths). However it is considered morally wrong by the majority to consume alcohol in Pakistan so that isn't an option.

I know many people still bet and consume alcohol, but they don't do it openly like they do in Western countries as Pakistan is largely a conservative society where these things are looked down upon.

 

[big_gamer007]

Fixing has been going on in cricket for a long time.. People have been getting away with it and some have been caught, you would not see a Virat Kohli, Dhoni etc indulge in fixing because they make way more money without fixing and wouldn't risk losing it all for some cheap money.. whereas smaller players like that rahul guy, Sreesanth and the Pakistani players who got caught do not earn that much and probably think of it as a quick way to earn fast money..

I mean look at irfan or Latif they got like 2-3 years of cricket left at them and probably not even in international team so they succumbed to their greed to make cheap money and got caught..

PS: the above post is assuming they all were involved in fixing..

 

[Saj]

You have not said a lot on this Saj,what is your understanding of the issue?

Simple. Many of these cricketers would sell anything for money.

They are pampered, spoilt, moneygrabbers who would do anything to grab some extra cash.

 

[sjahmed23]

I think we are too lenient as a nation and forgive and forget to easily, hence we keep making the same mistakes over and over. If a guy like Salman Butt can make a comeback after the national embarrassment him and the other two caused then there really is no line being drawn by us in terms of morality.

 

[Syed1]

I think we are too lenient as a nation and forgive and forget to easily, hence we keep making the same mistakes over and over. If a guy like Salman Butt can make a comeback after the national embarrassment him and the other two caused then there really is no line being drawn by us in terms of morality.

A known corrupt individual is the third time prime minister of the country and still popular enough to get re-elected for a fourth time. That should tell you the state of the nation.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

this might be a repeat thread but anyway

the justice qayyum report highlighted some of our major superstars involved in match fixing practices.

in 2010 the brightest spots in our team were ripped away.

now the only modern player that we have and someone who could have helped rebuild a team is involved in such a practice.

why is it that those who could potentially become super stars for us are so insecure that they get themselves involved in petty practices? sharjeel had a deal to play friends life t20 and what not

someone involved with the players please highlight the insecurity behind our players thoughts.

p.s. i am having problems with the caps lock and shift so no caps in my posts anymore. apologies for that.

Because they don't make enough money relative to either players as good as them or the revenue generated from cricket.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Because Pakistanis like short cuts. I'm not generalizing everybody here but this is what I observe in my daily life. From going the wrong way instead of making a u-turn to save a few seconds to taking bribes to get wealthier.

 

[Thivagar]

I would add a lack of proper education also plays a part.

Educated people are better of and therefore they don't need to engage in illicit behaviors. Even then you'll find doctors in sub continent that will force you to only purchase medicine from their own pharmacy with expired medications. Education has nothing to do with wrong doings. It is players' own character that defines their activities. The difference between a successful and unsuccessful athlete is self-confidence. You think someone like Sharjheel that bats at SR of 120 and opens for Pakistan, will suffer from lack of that? When you get the most cheers on the ground, have everyone trying to please you and haven't heard the word "No" in several months it is easy to have your head up in the clouds and think you are untouchable. Take a look at Chris Gayle's for example, on his Instagram stories he is always talking about getting ladies, making money, and mentioning how his money won't ever "dry up" unlike WI's selector's pension and so on. This wasn't the Gayle of early and mid 2000s. So yes, only culprits themselves can be blamed for this.

 

[Thivagar]

Fixing has been going on in cricket for a long time.. People have been getting away with it and some have been caught, you would not see a Virat Kohli, Dhoni etc indulge in fixing because they make way more money without fixing and wouldn't risk losing it all for some cheap money.. whereas smaller players like that rahul guy, Sreesanth and the Pakistani players who got caught do not earn that much and probably think of it as a quick way to earn fast money..

I mean look at irfan or Latif they got like 2-3 years of cricket left at them and probably not even in international team so they succumbed to their greed to make cheap money and got caught..

PS: the above post is assuming they all were involved in fixing..

Shreesanth was still making close to a Million dollar playing for India and millions through endorsement, especially in his state of Kerala where companies were after him. It is not the money, it is their character.

 

[uberkoen]

NS and AZ being our rulers despite being corrupt scums shows that the overall population isn't any better. These rulers (and cricketers) are also a part of the same general population.

That is what Bewal Express was trying to convey. But it would be a 'stupid post' for you since you are on record of having said that "I know Nawaz Sharif is corrupt but I will still vote for him"

This is purely diverting the blame. Blaming fraud, theft or taking bribes on the overall political situation in the country is simply not a justifiable excuse. Each individual is smart enough to know the repercussions of his or her own actions and if they still go on and do something like this, the blame should lie with the individual and not which political party is in power at the moment.

Would people taking bribes or fixing matches suddenly stop doing so if say, IK comes into power? This will not happen and to even think so is beyond stupid.

To think that suddenly if we get an honest leader who is not corrupt will resolve all our issues is nothing short of a pipe dream. The only way issues can be resolved is when we hold people accountable for their mistakes or crimes instead of looking for someone else to blame.

 

[Bewal Express]

This is purely diverting the blame. Blaming fraud, theft or taking bribes on the overall political situation in the country is simply not a justifiable excuse. Each individual is smart enough to know the repercussions of his or her own actions and if they still go on and do something like this, the blame should lie with the individual and not which political party is in power at the moment.

Would people taking bribes or fixing matches suddenly stop doing so if say, IK comes into power? This will not happen and to even think so is beyond stupid.

To think that suddenly if we get an honest leader who is not corrupt will resolve all our issues is nothing short of a pipe dream. The only way issues can be resolved is when we hold people accountable for their mistakes or crimes instead of looking for someone else to blame.

The leader of the country is like a father in a family, if he is honest and hard working then there is fairly good chance that the kids will use him as role model. If the father is liar and a cheat, there is little chance that the kids will be honest. IK or any other honest cannot put PK on a straight path overnight but it will be a start. Just imagine if NS is asked to comment on the fixing scandal, he will condemn it but all along, everyone will be thinking, hold on but you are the most corrupt person in the country.

 

[Indiafan]

Players also know that pcb would do nothing to them. People keep talking about punishment received by the trio but forget that the punishment was given by icc and not pcb

Players thought pcb would let them get away.

 

[MMHS]

The reason is long term plan by betting syndicate. When it first broke out long back, I spent lots of time to study how sports corruption works - not only n cricket; also in baseball & soccer. More or less from Cricket, MLB to Seria A, the operating process are similar.

It doesn't work like today someone will come to a star like Pete Rose (MLB), Paolo Rossi or Azharuddin/Hansi Cronje & ask him to do some fixing. Most of the stars are "scouted" long before they are star on potential. These players are asked to do small favours in exchange of gifts or other socially unexceptable favours. Each cases, evidence is recorded & by the time when few of those players become superstar they are caught into a point of no return.

There are many small fishes in almost every country/team who doesn't get caught because they are just not good enough to fix in a match, therefore they are not forced to do the "big job". By fixing, one can only under perform.

Take a real life example (I take BD, so that people don't get reactive) - 2 young players are in such provisional list (of bookies) - Soumya & Miraj. Problem with Soumya is that he is not good enough & almost always struggling (or will struggle) to keep his spot. If he underperforms, he might not be picked in the squad, therefore that investment is wasted.

Rather, it's better to keep him in payroll & use to catch future fishes (& use for small crimes that doesn't cost his spot - information like playing XI, strategy ...). But, Miraj has a great potential career - he can end up leading BD for 10 years. At the start, he might do similar things like Soumya - but once he is sunk up to nose with evidence all over, he is a superstar in BD cricket with lots of influence - may be as a captain or one of the confirmed starters. If caught, it'll be again like, why a superstar with such potential future ....

Azhar, Jadeja, Malik, Ashraful, Amir or Butt were not that dumb.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

The reason is long term plan by betting syndicate. When it first broke out long back, I spent lots of time to study how sports corruption works - not only n cricket; also in baseball & soccer. More or less from Cricket, MLB to Seria A, the operating process are similar.

It doesn't work like today someone will come to a star like Pete Rose (MLB), Paolo Rossi or Azharuddin/Hansi Cronje & ask him to do some fixing. Most of the stars are "scouted" long before they are star on potential. These players are asked to do small favours in exchange of gifts or other socially unexceptable favours. Each cases, evidence is recorded & by the time when few of those players become superstar they are caught into a point of no return.

There are many small fishes in almost every country/team who doesn't get caught because they are just not good enough to fix in a match, therefore they are not forced to do the "big job". By fixing, one can only under perform.

Take a real life example (I take BD, so that people don't get reactive) - 2 young players are in such provisional list (of bookies) - Soumya & Miraj. Problem with Soumya is that he is not good enough & almost always struggling (or will struggle) to keep his spot. If he underperforms, he might not be picked in the squad, therefore that investment is wasted.

Rather, it's better to keep him in payroll & use to catch future fishes (& use for small crimes that doesn't cost his spot - information like playing XI, strategy ...). But, Miraj has a great potential career - he can end up leading BD for 10 years. At the start, he might do similar things like Soumya - but once he is sunk up to nose with evidence all over, he is a superstar in BD cricket with lots of influence - may be as a captain or one of the confirmed starters. If caught, it'll be again like, why a superstar with such potential future ....

Azhar, Jadeja, Malik, Ashraful, Amir or Butt were not that dumb.

but here is the thing, if you know this, I am sure someone in pcb or someone in bcb would also know this. and there job is also to protect players. and get the hang out of such matters.

for goodness sake there is an anti-corruption unit that garnered complete amnesty in england to players of all levels to come up and mention any such thing. with such rigorous spending and all that, why are these people still falling off their wayside?

the situation is such that at this point no matter what happens to sharjeel, he will remain tainted in one way or the other.

people should not be this stupid if everything in their life depends on it. no?

 

[MMHS]

but here is the thing, if you know this, I am sure someone in pcb or someone in bcb would also know this. and there job is also to protect players. and get the hang out of such matters.

for goodness sake there is an anti-corruption unit that garnered complete amnesty in england to players of all levels to come up and mention any such thing. with such rigorous spending and all that, why are these people still falling off their wayside?

the situation is such that at this point no matter what happens to sharjeel, he will remain tainted in one way or the other.

people should not be this stupid if everything in their life depends on it. no?

You want me to write that the ghost is in the mustard? I have written many times - directly or indirectly that players are mere pawns. Most of them comes from a humble backgrounds, from lower or at best middle class families - compared to that those who admins the game are elites, formers greats, MPs, ministers, rich & famous ......

Since you asked -

During 1980s & 90s Dhaka football league was big - in terms of money & quality as well. Almost every year league champs made the final group stages of Asian Club championships. For few years DL champs faught it with the Al Hilal, Al Ittehad, Pohan Steelers or Kashima Antlers .... in the round of last 8. Players were well paid & sometimes in late 80s, many international stars from Midfle east, Africa & Central Asia played in Dhaka league. Some of the top BD football stars are actually billionaires now from their investment in garments & IT sector that time.

Now, each year, league was decided by the head to heads between top few (4, if I don't want to name clubs) clubs & relegation also same bottom 4/5 clubs - rest were all fixed. BFF tried to counter that by implementing 3 points for a win & 1 for draw - teams started to fix in a triangle - A beats B, B beats C, C beats A - everyone has 3 points from 2 matches.

100% of these matches were fixed by the club directors & managers for money, business favours or some other exchanges. Players were just forced to accept a token to play their role - I have seen few young players even crying after a match. In one case, a young GK decided to go against instruction & he fought it to change the outcome of the match - that kid was beaten to broken both wrists & out of football .....

Every corruption comes from the top - not the bottom.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

You want me to write that the ghost is in the mustard? I have written many times - directly or indirectly that players are mere pawns. Most of them comes from a humble backgrounds, from lower or at best middle class families - compared to that those who admins the game are elites, formers greats, MPs, ministers, rich & famous ......

Since you asked -

During 1980s & 90s Dhaka football league was big - in terms of money & quality as well. Almost every year league champs made the final group stages of Asian Club championships. For few years DL champs faught it with the Al Hilal, Al Ittehad, Pohan Steelers or Kashima Antlers .... in the round of last 8. Players were well paid & sometimes in late 80s, many international stars from Midfle east, Africa & Central Asia played in Dhaka league. Some of the top BD football stars are actually billionaires now from their investment in garments & IT sector that time.

Now, each year, league was decided by the head to heads between top few (4, if I don't want to name clubs) clubs & relegation also same bottom 4/5 clubs - rest were all fixed. BFF tried to counter that by implementing 3 points for a win & 1 for draw - teams started to fix in a triangle - A beats B, B beats C, C beats A - everyone has 3 points from 2 matches.

100% of these matches were fixed by the club directors & managers for money, business favours or some other exchanges. Players were just forced to accept a token to play their role - I have seen few young players even crying after a match. In one case, a young GK decided to go against instruction & he fought it to change the outcome of the match - that kid was beaten to broken both wrists & out of football .....

Every corruption comes from the top - not the bottom.

which brings me to the point why i actually asked the question in this thread.

i wrote this a few days ago

'men in suits, are evils real roots'

but the point is any such theory that goes in that direction basically is converted into a conspiracy theory. also what you are indirectly saying is that most people are aware of the corruption and they only stop it when it goes against the results that they are interested in.

there was this detective story author that i read a lot while growing up and his main protagonist used to gather finances for many of his missions by actually going to places to win major gambling tournaments. his line would be 'kunwaain ka paani kuwain main bhi rahay ga' (the water of the well will stay in the well)

this may get deleted etc. but a poor cricket board or any other sporting authority can actually make big bucks by starting a league and betting on it massively while controlling all the odds and players and what not. that would be the ultimate trolling almost wwe style and in a way a quick way to make millions upon millions of dollars.

 

[Rafay Shafiq]

I am not trying to defend it but in a society where NS and AZ rule the roost, morality is something that has little resonance with the majority of the population. In essence you take what you can.

I agree with you...as society we have acceptance of corruption and corrupt people....yes NS is corrupt but atleast making roads....when as society we think like it this mean we tolerate corruption...

 

[Saj]

Let me give an example of greed.

It's about a guy who has known one of the players for a long time and helped him when he was at a low point in his career. In fact this guy actually let this player stay at his house for free for several months.

Now the friend of the player is struggling and asked the player for some help in terms of some promotion of his work on social media. The player replied with I don't retweet for free, give me money to retweet.

Short memories and greed !

 

[yasir]

These guys don't need ethic class but business and simple math classes. What Sharjeel did is very stupid.

Sharjeel already had county contract of $70k, he is making close to $100k or $70k from PSL. His pay is $4k per month from PCB. His career was on the rise, could easily fetch another $100k from other T20 leagues. Why in the world he would risk all that for just $50k?? - That is nothing money, if million dollars or half a million was offered, well than greed can come into play, but that much money fixers cannot offer, market is not that big, they don't make that kind of money to offer players.

I don't see greed but stupitidy, you should be able to differentiate good deal from bad, forget about ethics and morals. In 2010, all three guys pickup a bad deal. But now when you know PCB has suffered so much, Why you went after witty chain to risk everything.

Now I thought fixers are priced out of maket, but these stupid players cannot do simple math and have no business sense, if you are making $150-200k a year, why in the world you throw away your career for just $50k