Why didn't the Indian team decline in Test cricket like Australia?

[Ahmad Shah]

a case study of all cricket expert here

Australian team of 2000s was the mightiest of all time

but in 2007/2008 many key players were retired which includes Warne , ,Mcgrath, Gillespie, Damien Martyn, Justin Langer, Mathew Hayden and Gilchrist
and after that we had seen a decline in Australian team in test cricket

Australia got defeated by South Africa at home ground in 2008 n 2012
Australia got trounced and thrashed convincingly in ashes 2011 by England at home
Australia was forced to draw series at home with then number 7 team New Zealand
not to mention their countless defeats humiliations and white washes at subcontinent recently they were forced to draw series with number 8 Bangladesh

WHEN THEY LOST THEIR KEY PLAYERS ........THEY FACED A DECLINE

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Here comes the Indian Case
under dhoni they were number one test team
but after retirement of sehwag sachin dravid laxman and dhoni
india is still number one despite losing its key player
what is the reason???

many people might argue that dhoni as test player was average player
but lets not forget he was a great leader and always had his calm influence

while sachin sehwag laxman dravid was once in a generation players

i agree kohli has emerged as a great player but his alone presence is just not good enough to keep the team at number one

WHY INDIA HAS NOT FACED THE KIND OF DECLINE WHICH AUSTRALIA HAS FACED

 

[Cuts_and_cuts_hard]

Lol what did you follow cricket in 2011-12 when Sachin-Dravid-Laxman-Sehwag all got old and dclined. 0-8 in Eng and Aus. 1-2 home loss to England. Then period of transition with away losses everywhere.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Because that Australian Team reached Everest while India reached Kilomajaro.

the bigger they come the harder they fall

 

[waleed88]

India have never dominated oppositions on their home turf, they have always been home turf bullies with a couple of draws in Australia to boast...

 

[waleed88]

When their batsmen like Rohit Sharma (ATG ODIs, flop Test matches) have the only banter going in their favor threatening English bowlers by saying that 'we will see when they come to India' you know even the Indians never take their foreign tours seriously.

 

[pakistani pride]

LOL. What a thread. The Aus team was winning tests everywhere.

INDIA HAS NEVER EVER WON A TEST SERIES IN AUS OR SA.

 

[Railu Katta]

OP are you a new fan? LOL anyway don't worry you will find support from at least one particular poster who thinks indian bowling and Batting is the best in the world. The poster will be here soon dw.

 

[Buffet]

Whitewash in Eng and Aus was not a decline?

 

[AAli98]

Both teams in 2005/6

Langer
Hayden
Ponting
Clarke
Hussey
Gilchrist
Warne
Gillespie
Lee
McGrath

Sehwag
Gambhir
Dravid
Tendulkar
Laxman
Ganguly
Dhoni
Kumble
Zaheer
Trundler1
Trundler2

Give or take id say Ind batting better.. bowling no competition Aus set high standards with that team hence steep fall.

 

[Buffet]

Aus was a vastly superior team so level of decline is not even comparable, but how come OP is missing Indians losing all tests in Eng and Aus?

 

[Sachin136]

Whitewash in Eng and Aus was not a decline?

I think he meant to ask why India was able to rebuild much faster.

 

[Buffet]

I think he meant to ask why India was able to rebuild much faster.

When was Aus not a top 3 test team? I meant, how long they were ranked outside of top 3? I know rankings are fluctuating so thye will come up or down, but just a general trend to see how long they were rebuilding?

 

[Dingolfy]

Our test batting has declined a lot actually.I don't think our current lot are even half good as fab four in tests.

 

[za1ntc]

Both teams in 2005/6

Langer
Hayden
Ponting
Clarke
Hussey
Gilchrist
Warne
Gillespie
Lee
McGrath

Sehwag
Gambhir
Dravid
Tendulkar
Laxman
Ganguly
Dhoni
Kumble
Zaheer
Trundler1
Trundler2

Give or take id say Ind batting better.. bowling no competition Aus set high standards with that team hence steep fall.

in what world is the indian batting better? LOOOL

 

[ahsan17]

The previous Indian team the OP is talking about was never that great. To compare it to Australia is silly. This one hasn't been tested out of South Asian conditions either.

 

[another drop catch]

India is the most dangerous team if playing in sub continent and okay while playing away
Australia are challenging playing at flat tracks or bowling pitches but they are horrible in sub-continent

 

[Sachin136]

in what world is the indian batting better? LOOOL

Sehwag > Langer
Gambhir < Hayden
Sachin > Ponting
Dravid > Clarke
Laxman > Hussey
Ganguly < Martyn
Dhoni < Gilchrist

 

[Gilly]

Sehwag > Langer
Gambhir < Hayden
Sachin > Ponting
Dravid > Clarke
Laxman > Hussey
Ganguly < Martyn
Dhoni < Gilchrist

Hayden > Sehwag
Langer > Gambir
Ponting > Dravid
Clarke < Tendulkar
Hussey > Laxman
Martyn > Ganguly
Gilchrist > Dhoni

 

[Sachin136]

Hayden > Sehwag
Langer > Gambir
Ponting > Dravid
Clarke < Tendulkar
Hussey > Laxman
Martyn > Ganguly
Gilchrist > Dhoni

I wouldn't take Hussey over Laxman. Anyway, I wasn't saying that India's batting lineup was definitely better. Just pointing out that there's nothing to laugh at if someone says India's was better.

 

[Gilly]

I wouldn't take Hussey over Laxman. Anyway, I wasn't saying that India's batting lineup was definitely better. Just pointing out that there's nothing to laugh at if someone says India's was better.

I would take Hussey over Laxman he was easily the better batsman, Laxman played 80 odd more innings than Hussey but Hussey scored more hundreds. Laxman was a fine batsman and I'm not taking anyhting away from him but Hussey was just better.

 

[Hermoine Green]

Joke of a thread.

 

[Last Monetarist]

Let them tour abroad and maybe we'll find out. Sham invincibles.

 

[Ab Fan]

Whitewashes in England and Australia and losing home series to England.

Yes, India is still no.1 because everyone today is a HTB and India are the best in that regards.

 

[big_gamer007]

Sehwag > Langer
Gambhir < Hayden
Sachin > Ponting
Dravid > Clarke
Laxman > Hussey
Ganguly < Martyn
Dhoni < Gilchrist

I like it the way you compared Sachin(#4) to ponting (#3) so that Dravid can be in the team by being better than Clarke..

 

[Sachin136]

I like it the way you compared Sachin(#4) to ponting (#3) so that Dravid can be in the team by being better than Clarke..

If you're comparing two teams, you don't have to compare them player by player for each position. You can switch it up like Gilly did to make Australia look better. I was just saying that it isn't like Australia was very far ahead in terms of batting.

 

[Varun]

Well, we began our decline when the old guard were still in the team:

2011 England Away = 0-4
2011 Australia Away = 0-4
2012 England Home = 1-2
2012 Aane Do Series = Lost

It was a pretty poor time to be honest. But 2002 - 2011 was relatively smooth so just law of averages I guess.

 

[Ab Fan]

We will forever remain rubbish away from home.

 

[Anuj25]

Test matches are won by bowlers not batsmen..
The mighty Australian had atg bowlers who couldn't be replaced.. Where as India never had those bowlers to begin with

 

[shariqnoor]

It's because India were lucky to find like-for-like replacements for their ATG players like Sachin, Dravid and Kumble in Kohli, Pujara and Ashwin instantaneously. Ganguly and Laxman were good batsmen which were easily replaceable give the batting talent India possesses. Plus their fast bowling was weak then so it was only going to get better.

 

[mak36]

Lol. How about you let them reach the heights of that Australia team first. Then we'll talk.

 

[maxamax]

They are not at all a great them. But thanks to BCCI's control of game, they control their matches and pick soft fights to win. If I was in charge, I would have labelled their cricket from sports to entertainment.

Australia on the other hand was invincible against any sort of team in any sorts of conditions. India hardly did that even at their peak.

 

[Tusker]

Yes, India is still no.1 because everyone today is a HTB and India are the best in that regards.

here is India's away record and it is one of the reasons why India is No1 :

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...2013;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

Whitewashes in England and Australia and losing home series to England.

Question: These series are now past the cutoff period for ranking. How long are you going to use these series to troll ?

 

[Ab Fan]

here is India's away record and it is one of the reasons why India is No1 :

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...2013;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team




Question: These series are now past the cutoff period for ranking. How long are you going to use these series to troll ?

Great going.

Wins against Lanka and Windies are indeed great achievement.

In comparison during the same period,

SA won 2 in Aus, 1 in UAE, NZ and Eng each.
Eng won 2 matches in SA and 1 in NZ.
Aus won 2 in Eng, 2 in SA and 1 in India.

Others aren't relevant. India won a sum total of 1 among all of top countries.

As usual, you guys will keep boosting on mediocrity even though India will struggle to win away games.

 

[Tusker]

Great going.

Wins against Lanka and Windies are indeed great achievement.

In comparison during the same period,

SA won 2 in Aus, 1 in UAE, NZ and Eng each.
Eng won 2 matches in SA and 1 in NZ.
Aus won 2 in Eng, 2 in SA and 1 in India.

Others aren't relevant. India won a sum total of 1 among all of top countries.

As usual, you guys will keep boosting on mediocrity even though India will struggle to win away games.

Eng, SA, NZ, Aus are all similar conditions for those teams ... if you compare these teams performance in India then there is just that ONE single match that Aus won last year in India. And if you want to Ignore matches against WI (who actually won a match in Eng rececntly) then you should also ignore performances of these teams in UAE and SL on the same grounds. So it comes down to Eng, SA, NZ, Aus in IND and India in Eng, SA, NZ, Aus .

Eng+SA+AUS+NZ in Ind ( 1 Win 12 losses 3 Draws - One draw due to a rain washout after SAF were staring down the barrel)
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...am=2;team=3;team=5;template=results;type=team


Ind in Eng+SA+AUS+NZ ( 1 Win 7 losses 5 Draws)
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...anval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=team

 

[Pete Rose]

I think the distance (in terms of achievement and cumulative team talent) for Australia was far far greater than that for India.
A fair question would be why was the windies decline far worse than the Aus decline.

 

[giri26]

India were never a top team at the test level. Also even now they haven't done anything brilliant away from India to warrant that comparison. India's best period was between 2007-11 (before the World Cup) where we won series in England, New Zealand and West Indies. India also drew a series in SA during that time. But again that was still with the legends still in the team. India have done very well at home after that and have continued to have similar results overseas. Australia on the other hand were world beaters and won everywhere they played, so theirs can be called as a decline but India were never at that level to decline.