Why do Pakistani's hate Imran Khan the Politician?

[shaz619]

Am a Brit and don't really follow what happens in Pak as far as the political climate is concerned entirely. Imran said all the right things in the lead up to the general elections and his policy's were decent to having read them on the PTI website, heard he has done quiet a bit in his home city and KPK.

I guess everyone turned on him when he got his followers to protest outside Nawaz Sharif's mansion in a bid to get him to quit or was it to order a re-election after some evidence of rigging came about? anyway the issue was that it was all pointless and there were many civilian casualties.

Anyhow would you guys say he is as bad as Zardari, Nawaz Sharif etc when it comes to corruption? Although he doesn't come across as a shady individual, not sure what he has done to be classed as corrupt as those guys. Although it was sad that people died while protesting and Imran gets stick for that. There have also been accusations that he's a Taliban Sympathiser and someone who doesn't speak out against them emphatically but there ought to be two sides of the coin.

I guess there is a large chunk that believe he just isn't capable of being a good Prime Minister.

So I ask, is Imran just as bad as the rest out there when it comes to Pakistans interests or is he the best option out of a bad bunch or the best bad apple out of all the bad apples

I just hope that Pakistan will prosper one day iA and it's just sad to see the state the country is in atm; who and what can save Pakistan?

Try to be objective guys I know some of you absolutely despise the guy and it is evident in the Reham Divorce thread; I want to discover the root of your hate and what you feel like is the best option for Pak to flourish once again.

 

[hussain123]

I think he acts immature at times. He can be a great administrator if ever given a chance although his handling of foreign policy is where I doubt his credentials. Don't think he can be able to handle such stuff.

 

[Gayle_Force]

Hate is a strong word. I think a lot of people are disappointed with Imran Khan the politician. Largely because he has not been able to provide PTI with the same credibility that he brought to the cricket team, shaukat khanam and namal college. Infact he has himself compromised on many of his principles in order to get the party in power.

 

[world cup captain]

I don't see a reason either. He has done more than what Nawaz has ever done.

 

[dashing_man]

I don't hate him. I just don't support him blindly like most do.

And I don't like quitters

 

[Ar7alan]

I am with Khan .... He is a fighter and will always fight for Pakistan ...May Allah give him health and life ....

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[shaz619]

I don't hate him. I just don't support him blindly like most do.

And I don't like quitters

Thank you for your insight sir, we should have closed this thread after your detailed post which answered all the questions in the OP.

 

[ExplicitAI]

I'm not even sure myself but I've heard that he is very easy to make fun of. Someone told me that literally everyone mocks him in Punjab.

 

[Deosai]

People from Punjab, MQMers, ,Marxists, Pashtunist, Sindhi & Baluchi nationalist parties don't like him because he speaks of a unified Pakistani federation superceding ethnic/biraderi differences. This is why they don't like him.

 

[Waseem]

Hate is a strong word. I think a lot of people are disappointed with Imran Khan the politician. Largely because he has not been able to provide PTI with the same credibility that he brought to the cricket team, shaukat khanam and namal college. Infact he has himself compromised on many of his principles in order to get the party in power.

Cricket success, SKMCH success, Namal success was all in his hands so he put in as much effort as possible and got the desired results. Politics is not about hard work alone, lot more factors so it's not entirely his fault that he is not a Prime Minister yet. He is up against a mafia in power for decades so it won't be piece of cake for Imran.

 

[Waseem]

I'm not even sure myself but I've heard that he is very easy to make fun of. Someone told me that literally everyone mocks him in Punjab.

Definitely not everyone as i have been pleasantly surprised how even the most die hard PMLN supporters have started to support Imran but a lot of people mock him because they think he is wasting time in politics and he is dying to become Prime Minister. I have heard countless times some 3rd class & cheap PMLN politicians making fun of Imran calling him opportunist and desperate of becoming PM. All these cheapos became MNAs/MPs after years of boot polishing of Sharif brothers and Imran Khan could have become number 2 in PMLN about 25 years ago based on his popularity as a cricketer alone but he declined, Nawaz kept asking him to join politics and kept wondering why Imran doesn't join him
Off course people will laugh at Imran for being ignorant and not joining hands with Nawaz, Musharaff or Zia ul Haq to take a short cut to become a PM.

 

[Gayle_Force]

Cricket success, SKMCH success, Namal success was all in his hands so he put in as much effort as possible and got the desired results. Politics is not about hard work alone, lot more factors so it's not entirely his fault that he is not a Prime Minister yet. He is up against a mafia in power for decades so it won't be piece of cake for Imran.

Exactly and in his efforts of becoming PM and bringing his party in power, he has compromised on his principles so much that currently it is difficult to differentiate between PTI and PMLN.

 

[ExplicitAI]

Definitely not everyone as i have been pleasantly surprised how even the most die hard PMLN supporters have started to support Imran but a lot of people mock him because they think he is wasting time in politics and he is dying to become Prime Minister. I have heard countless times some 3rd class & cheap PMLN politicians making fun of Imran calling him opportunist and desperate of becoming PM. All these cheapos became MNAs/MPs after years of boot polishing of Sharif brothers and Imran Khan could have become number 2 in PMLN about 25 years ago based on his popularity as a cricketer alone but he declined, Nawaz kept asking him to join politics and kept wondering why Imran doesn't join him
Off course people will laugh at Imran for being ignorant and not joining hands with Nawaz, Musharaff or Zia ul Haq to take a short cut to become a PM.

He did pretty well in the elections but got bodies by PMLN

 

[saeedhk]

He is the only true and patriotic leader in Pakistan.

People know if he comes to power, their loot maar would be no more.They wouldn't be able to fill their pockets!

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[Waseem]

Exactly and in his efforts of becoming PM and bringing his party in power, he has compromised on his principles so much that currently it is difficult to differentiate between PTI and PMLN.

I had exactly same thinking and it's time for reality check. Whatever compromises he has made are of absolute importance and his genuine critics believe he needs to make lot of such compromises if he ever wants to come to power. People like you and me expect Imran to select candidates who have never been part of any party before, are highly educated, no corruption cases, no controversies and are still able to defeat candidates who have been working in their constituencies for decades, have built their roads, provided them some facilities. You know what the reality is? Even a person like Nawaz Sharif who has been 2 time PM (4-5 times ruled Punjab) had to take candidates from PMLQ and Musharaff aides who he had massive issues with and quite a few of them are his ministers today.

At the end of the day, you either want Imran to come to power and make real change on ground or you want him to remain a pressure group raising his voice against current rulers.

 

[Pace90]

Its not only in Pakistan , in most of the third world countries where corruption is way of life, like Mexico and many others, its extremely difficult to win against the ruling party. Rulers use all the state money and corrupt tools to buy the people who matter to win the elections.All state machinery works for them. Pakistan, particularly Punjab, from where I belong to, has been gone extremely corrupt society over last 20-25 years, thanks to Sharif rule and Sharif Brothers fit in well in that society. A clean person like IK, looks unfit. Still things are not so bad, recent election in Lahore was won by PML with very close margin and that is equal to a win for PTI. I'm sure come 2018, PTI will have a very good outcome.

 

[Waseem]

Its not only in Pakistan , in most of the third world countries where corruption is way of life, like Mexico and many others, its extremely difficult to win against the ruling party. Rulers use all the state money and corrupt tools to buy the people who matter to win the elections.All state machinery works for them. Pakistan, particularly Punjab, from where I belong to, has been gone extremely corrupt society over last 20-25 years, thanks to Sharif rule and Sharif Brothers fit in well in that society. A clean person like IK, looks unfit. Still things are not so bad, recent election in Lahore was won by PML with very close margin and that is equal to a win for PTI. I'm sure come 2018, PTI will have a very good outcome.

And hence people laughing at IK are actually laughing at themselves, it's only matter of time before they realize it.

 

[Pace90]

And hence people laughing at IK are actually laughing at themselves, it's only matter of time before they realize it.

Absolutely.

 

[AZ]

Hate? Every 2nd Pakistani is a braindead Insafian these days.

Dislike him because he's an opportunistic liar & hypocrite, just like the rest of 'em.

All the promises of revolution & change, a pack of lies.

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[Varun]

He's like Pakistan's Arvind Kejriwal / Arvind Kejriwal is India's Imran Khan.

 

[Waseem]

He's like Pakistan's Arvind Kejriwal / Arvind Kejriwal is India's Imran Khan.

It is a good comparison because people know these people are honest and would most probably bring change but they expect them to be angels. For example Imran Khan/Kejriwal need 1000 candidates to contest elections against well established status quo candidates so they expect 1000 highly educated, honest individuals who preferably belong to middle class and have never represented any party ever before and are able to defeat the status quo candidate (this is IMPOSSIBLE in 90% of Pakistan at least).
You will see people calling IK an opportunist, this opportunist declined to join our 3 time Prime Minister some 20 years ago because of their corrupt practices and is still fighting (what an opportunist) with only handful of seats

 

[Gayle_Force]

I had exactly same thinking and it's time for reality check. Whatever compromises he has made are of absolute importance and his genuine critics believe he needs to make lot of such compromises if he ever wants to come to power. People like you and me expect Imran to select candidates who have never been part of any party before, are highly educated, no corruption cases, no controversies and are still able to defeat candidates who have been working in their constituencies for decades, have built their roads, provided them some facilities. You know what the reality is? Even a person like Nawaz Sharif who has been 2 time PM (4-5 times ruled Punjab) had to take candidates from PMLQ and Musharaff aides who he had massive issues with and quite a few of them are his ministers today.

At the end of the day, you either want Imran to come to power and make real change on ground or you want him to remain a pressure group raising his voice against current rulers.

How has adopting that strategy worked out for Imran Khan and PTI so far? The party is at an all time low.

Do you not see the hypocrisy in that stance? His entire politics is been about bringing change from PMLN and PPP and he has been filling his party with scraps from those same parties. Where is the change going to come from?

Instead of trying to fast track himself into power, he really should have worked hard on improving KPK and highlighting PTIs achievement there. Meanwhile, also building party grassroots all over the country in order to get the party ready for 2018 elections. If he really wanted to come to the streets he should have come to the streets to make electoral reforms for 2018 elections.

The whole concept that Imran Khan can some how change the country all on his own is very flawed. In order for the change to come PTI's candidates need to exemplify the vision that has been laid out by Imran Khan. A political party can not only be about just one person. If tomorrow god forbid If something happens to Imran Khan where will the party stand?

 

[Waseem]

How has adopting that strategy worked out for Imran Khan and PTI so far? The party is at an all time low.

Do you not see the hypocrisy in that stance? His entire politics is been about bringing change from PMLN and PPP and he has been filling his party with scraps from those same parties. Where is the change going to come from?

Totally agree that ideally he should not accept even one person who has represented status quo parties before. Imran also tried this for about 2 decades? Just one example, Imran had wind of change behind him in 2013 elections and he did everything right (including party elections to make it an institution) and he fields a candidate called "Waleed Iqbal" who happens to be grand son of Allama Iqbal, he is a highly educated (Masters in law from Harvard and Masters of Philosophy from Cambridge), has never represented any party before, has no corruption cases and is currently a professor at LUMS. Guess what happens at elections? He loses to PMLN candidate in Urban Lahore by 80,000 votes. Who fault is it here? Waleed would have probably lost by 100,000 votes if he had contested from a village in Punjab. KPK was totally different battlefield and Imran awarded tickets to young middle class people and still invests in them.

What you said above makes sense but there is something called ground reality which is forcing Imran to re consider his decisions as well. As i said, if you want IK to be a leader of movement then keep living in the ideal world but if you want him to come to power to bring change than some compromises have to be made.

 

[greenfan]

i love imran khan. whatever he does is good for the nation. he has lost some popularity in punjab according to local bodies elections. his party dont have any other person who has big name except Shah mahmood qureshi, jahangir tareen. so i dont think he can win next elections with this team. he needs to find more star players.

 

[Waseem]

i love imran khan. whatever he does is good for the nation. he has lost some popularity in punjab according to local bodies elections. his party dont have any other person who has big name except Shah mahmood qureshi, jahangir tareen. so i dont think he can win next elections with this team. he needs to find more star players.

I think he needs to find lot of Asad Umars rather than Shah Mahmood Qureshis but there are only 2 seats in Islamabad and even Asad Umar will probably never win on any seat other than his current Islamabad seat or Karachi NA250. That's the sad reality!

 

[kingusama92]

From the outside looking in, I'd say the hate is for his supporters more than him.

Kind of like Tendulkar.

Though the 'dharna' bit went too far.

 

[Gayle_Force]

Totally agree that ideally he should not accept even one person who has represented status quo parties before. Imran also tried this for about 2 decades? Just one example, Imran had wind of change behind him in 2013 elections and he did everything right (including party elections to make it an institution) and he fields a candidate called "Waleed Iqbal" who happens to be grand son of Allama Iqbal, he is a highly educated (Masters in law from Harvard and Masters of Philosophy from Cambridge), has never represented any party before, has no corruption cases and is currently a professor at LUMS. Guess what happens at elections? He loses to PMLN candidate in Urban Lahore by 80,000 votes. Who fault is it here? Waleed would have probably lost by 100,000 votes if he had contested from a village in Punjab.

So your solution to the above situation is that PTI gives a ticket to a Gullu Butt type individual from PMLN or PPP? who has switched over just because he was rejected a ticket by his party. Do you actually expect that if he wins the seat he will follow party ideology?

The scenario you mentioned illustrates a key weakness in PTI's approach. Instead of tackling that scenario by improving the party at a grass root level, they awarded tickets to the very type of people the party denounced just in hopes of getting in to power quickly.

 

[Waseem]

So your solution to the above situation is that PTI gives a ticket to a Gullu Butt type individual from PMLN or PPP? who has switched over just because he was rejected a ticket by his party. Do you actually expect that if he wins the seat he will follow party ideology?

The scenario you mentioned illustrates a key weakness in PTI's approach. Instead of tackling that scenario by improving the party at a grass root level, they awarded tickets to the very type of people the party denounced just in hopes of getting in to power quickly.

That's how you interpret it, i don't even know what Gullu Butt type individuals you are talking about. I was mainly talking about Aleem Khan type of characters who is apparently the biggest land grabber in Lahore. I am not convinced that he is 100% honest but he has openly asked government to prove any cases against him, if he is proven guilty and IK still supports him then surely you have a valid point. Also you keep talking about grass root level, they have been doing plenty of work at grass root level ( i get regular updates on social media, not sure if you do).
And why do they want to come to power quickly again? is it for personal gains to to implement their policies? Also, if defeating status quo was such a normal task that a few honest people can just raise their voice, gain support, organize at grass root level and defeat the powerful elite then how many such examples can you show me in Pakistan (or anywhere in the world for that matter) in the last 100 years?? Even Bhutto at his peak had to compromise on his principles and used feudals, waders etc in certain areas. Despite being a moderate and liberal leader, he will be forever known as person who declared Ahmadis as non muslims to please mullahs.

 

[proud_pakistani]

I think these days most people are confused on their opinion of Imran Khan. He is one of those guys u want to support but more often than not he makes some immature statements, contradictions which is why people have turned on him. The people who do not support him obviously mock him and take advantage of the dumb things he says. In hindsight tho of late, since Imran's divorce he has been making a lot of sense.

 

[zabalestmsm]

I neither liked nor hated him in the first place.

But he gave me some hope during the dharna days. I supported him during those days.

But then i started to hate him when he couldnt fulfil some of his big claims and backed out of it, may be cunningly.

Still I havent forgiven him for that.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Pretty simple. It's like pick on somebody you can pick on. Pakistani's know they can't do **** to the likes of NS, Zardari, Altaf Hussain and anything they say, vent will have no bearing on them.

But IK does take feedback from people and does put himself out there and they know picking on him is much easier.

 

[AlphaFighter]

I think he needs to find lot of Asad Umars rather than Shah Mahmood Qureshis but there are only 2 seats in Islamabad and even Asad Umar will probably never win on any seat other than his current Islamabad seat or Karachi NA250. That's the sad reality!

People like Asad Umar's will 9 times out of 10 never enter into Politics. Pakistan is not the place to be if you are honest, selfless, patriotic and do your duty honestly. You cannot blame people for choosing their families over their country.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Totally agree that ideally he should not accept even one person who has represented status quo parties before. Imran also tried this for about 2 decades? Just one example, Imran had wind of change behind him in 2013 elections and he did everything right (including party elections to make it an institution) and he fields a candidate called "Waleed Iqbal" who happens to be grand son of Allama Iqbal, he is a highly educated (Masters in law from Harvard and Masters of Philosophy from Cambridge), has never represented any party before, has no corruption cases and is currently a professor at LUMS. Guess what happens at elections? He loses to PMLN candidate in Urban Lahore by 80,000 votes. Who fault is it here? Waleed would have probably lost by 100,000 votes if he had contested from a village in Punjab. KPK was totally different battlefield and Imran awarded tickets to young middle class people and still invests in them.

What you said above makes sense but there is something called ground reality which is forcing Imran to re consider his decisions as well. As i said, if you want IK to be a leader of movement then keep living in the ideal world but if you want him to come to power to bring change than some compromises have to be made.

In politics at times you just have no choice but to get your hands dirty. The Pakistani awam is too jahil, powerless to stop the status quo from monopolizing the system and from coming to power again and again. An honest man will always be unelectable in such a system.

IK used to be criticized for being unrealistic, unpragmatic, devoid of ground realities. If he wants to get things done and enter the system in order to bring about change, he has to compromise at certain points.

Or the alternative is a violent revolutionary upheavel against the system which i am pretty sure no one wants.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Imran stayed hero till he had little or no political clout. His principled stand in past earned him nothing. Eventually he realized he had to make compromises to succeed in mainstream politics and that's where things went wrong for him. Desperation started showing on him, every lame co promise had to be backed by lame excuses and justifications which only made him look worse. He's 60 now and is still politically naive. Didn't really grow up much in politics.

Not his fault. Politics just comes naturally to some. Rahul Gandhi is born in the greatest political dynasty in the world and he got everything on the plate and still blew it. Modi, born to a family of poor house maids, sold tea for a living and destiny brought him to a position now where he's one of the most powerful and popular people in the world. Some people have it, some don't.

 

[waqar goraya]

For divorcing his wives couple of times, for allowing music in his jalsas/dharnas, for calling a spade a spade, for being outspoken.......
Everything else is not much of a concern to a common Pakistani.

Governance, accountability, transparency , integrity or even extremism is just not an issue for some people here.

Personally, i have noticed 2 types of Imran haters. First, those who are less intelligent and least educated and are swayed by illogical thinking like mentioned in the opening lines of my post and second, those who consider themselves way too intelligent to think along the lines of educated mainstream of youth.

 

[Waseem]

For divorcing his wives couple of times, for allowing music in his jalsas/dharnas, for calling a spade a spade, for being outspoken.......
Everything else is not much of a concern to a common Pakistani.

Governance, accountability, transparency , integrity or even extremism is just not an issue for some people here.

Personally, i have noticed 2 types of Imran haters. First, those who are less intelligent and least educated and are swayed by illogical thinking like mentioned in the opening lines of my post and second, those who consider themselves way too intelligent to think along the lines of educated mainstream of youth.

Very well said, there are people who are completely brain-dead and then there are some who consider way too intelligent. They will criticise, mock you but would never practically prove you how it should be done. Even Shoaib Akhtar can be heard these days lecturing everyone on discipline and ethics as he finds it lot easier in the commentary box, go play out in the field and you will know.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Imran stayed hero till he had little or no political clout. His principled stand in past earned him nothing. Eventually he realized he had to make compromises to succeed in mainstream politics and that's where things went wrong for him. Desperation started showing on him, every lame co promise had to be backed by lame excuses and justifications which only made him look worse. He's 60 now and is still politically naive. Didn't really grow up much in politics.

Not his fault. Politics just comes naturally to some. Rahul Gandhi is born in the greatest political dynasty in the world and he got everything on the plate and still blew it. Modi, born to a family of poor house maids, sold tea for a living and destiny brought him to a position now where he's one of the most powerful and popular people in the world. Some people have it, some don't.

Idiocy and madness refers to doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results.

Even he being in politics for a good 20 years obviously realizes this good, shareef, honest, principled approach to things will get him and his unelectables no where. If he wants to make an impact and change the system, he has to enter into the system and change it from within rather than outside the system and for that he will have to compromise with certain electables.

 

[saeedhk]

Totally agree that ideally he should not accept even one person who has represented status quo parties before. Imran also tried this for about 2 decades? Just one example, Imran had wind of change behind him in 2013 elections and he did everything right (including party elections to make it an institution) and he fields a candidate called "Waleed Iqbal" who happens to be grand son of Allama Iqbal, he is a highly educated (Masters in law from Harvard and Masters of Philosophy from Cambridge), has never represented any party before, has no corruption cases and is currently a professor at LUMS. Guess what happens at elections? He loses to PMLN candidate in Urban Lahore by 80,000 votes. Who fault is it here? Waleed would have probably lost by 100,000 votes if he had contested from a village in Punjab. KPK was totally different battlefield and Imran awarded tickets to young middle class people and still invests in them.

What you said above makes sense but there is something called ground reality which is forcing Imran to re consider his decisions as well. As i said, if you want IK to be a leader of movement then keep living in the ideal world but if you want him to come to power to bring change than some compromises have to be made.

That Waleed Iqbal case epitomises everything that is wrong with our politics and public!

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[Adijazz1706]

He has to make compromises if he wants to become PM. You have guys like Nawaz who have been there, done that many times. They know exactly what to do and when to do it. IK is learning on the job and it'll take time. As long as he doesn't compromise too much and become like the others, he should have a good chance. Also, he needs to do more in the PPP bastion, Sindh.

 

[Noora420]

[MENTION=5228]Wasim[/MENTION]

Hassan nisar said a very good thing few weeks ago. If Khan Saab really wants angels around him in his party then he should also take votes only of angels. 90% of Pakistan is morally and economically corrupt and they question Khan Saab who is probably one of the few Pakistanis known for his honesty and patriotism.

 

[saeedhk]

[MENTION=5228]Wasim[/MENTION]

Hassan nisar said a very good thing few weeks ago. If Khan Saab really wants angels around him in his party then he should also take votes only of angels. 90% of Pakistan is morally and economically corrupt and they question Khan Saab who is probably one of the few Pakistanis known for his honesty and patriotism.

HS is my all-time favorite analyst.He is brutally honest and highly intellectual.

His habit of speaking the truth annoys some segments of society.

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[Evi1]

Imran stayed hero till he had little or no political clout. His principled stand in past earned him nothing. Eventually he realized he had to make compromises to succeed in mainstream politics and that's where things went wrong for him. Desperation started showing on him, every lame co promise had to be backed by lame excuses and justifications which only made him look worse. He's 60 now and is still politically naive. Didn't really grow up much in politics.

Not his fault. Politics just comes naturally to some. Rahul Gandhi is born in the greatest political dynasty in the world and he got everything on the plate and still blew it. Modi, born to a family of poor house maids, sold tea for a living and destiny brought him to a position now where he's one of the most powerful and popular people in the world. Some people have it, some don't.

Politically naive in sub-continent politics means someone who is basically not a shrewd criminal and doesn't know the art of manipulation.

You have to bear in mind that Imran Khan is not a career politician. He had a long and accomplished career in sports, then turned into one of the most iconic philanthropist in the country giving Pakistan a first cancer hospital, and then joined politics in a age where people of his stature lead a highly secluded and luxurious life playing golf or holding a nice little ambassadorial positions.

In regards to Modi, he was groomed in a politically extremist, ideologically aggressive and a structured RSS in his youth before joining a well established BJP where unlike Congress, things are not based on dynastic cult. There's more competition which means more chances of progression for individuals who brand themselves in a certain way.

Modi did not invent BJP, but Imran created PTI from the scratch, led it from the front as a one man army for 20 years brought it all the way in the top of the political league. This is some serious political achievement for someone who is considered politically naive.

 

[Evi1]

Idiocy and madness refers to doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results.

Even he being in politics for a good 20 years obviously realizes this good, shareef, honest, principled approach to things will get him and his unelectables no where. If he wants to make an impact and change the system, he has to enter into the system and change it from within rather than outside the system and for that he will have to compromise with certain electables.

Exactly.

How many Asad Umar's are there in the country who would give up their ultra lucrative job to join rugged and dirty political process of Pakistan so Imran can have an army of oh so educated, professional, clean and middle class candidates?

How many of the critics from this forum who ask Imran to find angels would give up their jobs, lifestyle, privacy, comforts and risk their lives to join politics and do serious grass root activism? It is easier said than done. If you yourself would not do it, then why expect Pakistanis to do it? After all, your kind of thinking represents a large portion of Pakistan's society that knows how to do the talk, but won't walk the walk. It is easier to be an arm critic and demand picture perfect idealism and perfection from ashes of moral decay.

Pakistanis instead of dreaming of picture perfect perfection from politicians should sincerely aim to restrict criminals from entering public offices. That's more realistic and doable task.

You can have good, bad and useless politicians, but you should not tolerate is criminality. This is why West is so ahead. You think all their politicians are beacon of perfection? No they just aren't criminals even if they're politically and morally messed up.

 

[Evi1]

So your solution to the above situation is that PTI gives a ticket to a Gullu Butt type individual from PMLN or PPP? who has switched over just because he was rejected a ticket by his party. Do you actually expect that if he wins the seat he will follow party ideology?

The scenario you mentioned illustrates a key weakness in PTI's approach. Instead of tackling that scenario by improving the party at a grass root level, they awarded tickets to the very type of people the party denounced just in hopes of getting in to power quickly.

Please name the Gullu Butt type politicans PTI has taken so we can all name and shame them, and condemn them, hopefully put enough pressure to have them kicked out.

In regards to following party's ideology - KPK's sitting minister is still behind the bars with his secretaries. Another sitting minister was handcuffed and brought to the police station for running away with ballot box. So yes, Imran Khan cannot do a voodoo to ensure that overnight all human politicians in his rank achieve prophetic perfection and they never set a foot wrong in their lives. But the least and most he can do is to install a discipline and system that punishes the corrupt, and weeds out the worst. There will always be black sheep, rebels, moles, turn coats and sold outs making their way into the party. These titles are not written in people's foreheads. But you still need to give people a chance and trust the system in place to do the judgment for you.

Even a well established and popular politician like Bhutto had go in rural areas and find electables from Sindh and Punjab. Rural vote bank decide everything in Pakistan and he needs to find local reps who know their areas, and more importantly, they are known by the locals. As long as they have no criminal record a compromise can be made.

In regards to strengthening grass root level leadership - grass root level leadership is developed and strengthened through Local Government election. PTI is the only democratic party that pushed for LG polls. This is their first time ever contesting for LB polls at such a massive level with so many obvious weakness with lack of collective political experience. Of course there are endless teething problems but a process of fielding and grooming local leaders has been started. Let's hope the process of LB polls continues, we have seen how bastions of democracy PPP/PMLN had never held LB polls in their tenure.

 

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[MENTION=5228]Wasim[/MENTION]

90% of Pakistan is morally corrupt and .

absolutely laughable statement

 

[Gayle_Force]

Please name the Gullu Butt type politicans PTI has taken so we can all name and shame them, and condemn them, hopefully put enough pressure to have them kicked out.

You don't have to look too far back. Just look at the recent by-elections after the dharna. Most of the tickets were awarded to PPP left overs and the result is for all to see.

In regards to following party's ideology - KPK's sitting minister is still behind the bars with his secretaries. Another sitting minister was handcuffed and brought to the police station for running away with ballot box. So yes, Imran Khan cannot do a voodoo to ensure that overnight all human politicians in his rank achieve prophetic perfection and they never set a foot wrong in their lives. But the least and most he can do is to install a discipline and system that punishes the corrupt, and weeds out the worst. There will always be black sheep, rebels, moles, turn coats and sold outs making their way into the party. These titles are not written in people's foreheads. But you still need to give people a chance and trust the system in place to do the judgment for you.

Even a well established and popular politician like Bhutto had go in rural areas and find electables from Sindh and Punjab. Rural vote bank decide everything in Pakistan and he needs to find local reps who know their areas, and more importantly, they are known by the locals. As long as they have no criminal record a compromise can be made.

In regards to strengthening grass root level leadership - grass root level leadership is developed and strengthened through Local Government election. PTI is the only democratic party that pushed for LG polls. This is their first time ever contesting for LB polls at such a massive level with so many obvious weakness with lack of collective political experience. Of course there are endless teething problems but a process of fielding and grooming local leaders has been started. Let's hope the process of LB polls continues, we have seen how bastions of democracy PPP/PMLN had never held LB polls in their tenure.

So tell me how has this strategy worked out for Imran Khan and PTI so far? From my understanding they have lost heavily on all the by-elections, cantonment elections and now the local bodies election.

Imran Khan promised change from PMLN and status quo. However, PTI has itself become part of the status quo by doing the same brand of politics that PPP and PMLN are famous for. He has only damaged his own politics by using this approach because it is increasingly becoming hard to differentiate between PTI and PMLN. I understand some compromises are necessary but PTI compromised their core principle that they have been selling to the public which is tabdeeli.

I have seen recently some efforts by PTI in local bodies after the heavy defeat. I hope its not temporary and they have learned a lesson from their mistakes.

 

[Black Zero]

I hate him because he is a hypocrite.

 

[Waseem]

[MENTION=5228]Wasim[/MENTION]

Hassan nisar said a very good thing few weeks ago. If Khan Saab really wants angels around him in his party then he should also take votes only of angels. 90% of Pakistan is morally and economically corrupt and they question Khan Saab who is probably one of the few Pakistanis known for his honesty and patriotism.

We may not agree with everything Hasan Nisar says but what a man he is! He is absolutely right, he is contesting elections in a country where established parties have friends for benefits in almost every business/institution. Just one small example, I know a few people in Urdu Bazar Lahore who in principle support Imran Khan but still vote for Sharifs because they have immense business benefits from PMLN politicians + there are many politicians who support Imran Khan in principle but would never leave PMLN because of business/contracts they receive being connected to PMLN (i am sure same is the case with PPP in Sindh so can't single out PMLN here). How on earth can we expect an innocent, educated, honest and angel like candidate to defeat PMLN candidates who've been spending billions for decades to win votes.

 

[Waseem]

By the way, yet another reason for people to laugh at Imran Khan, Asif Zardari has been cleared from corruption cases by PMLN backed NAB due to lack of evidence "Ro Imran Ro"

 

[saeedhk]

We may not agree with everything Hasan Nisar says but what a man he is! He is absolutely right, he is contesting elections in a country where established parties have friends for benefits in almost every business/institution. Just one small example, I know a few people in Urdu Bazar Lahore who in principle support Imran Khan but still vote for Sharifs because they have immense business benefits from PMLN politicians + there are many politicians who support Imran Khan in principle but would never leave PMLN because of business/contracts they receive being connected to PMLN (i am sure same is the case with PPP in Sindh so can't single out PMLN here). How on earth can we expect an innocent, educated, honest and angel like candidate to defeat PMLN candidates who've been spending billions for decades to win votes.

Good point.At the end of the day, aik banda apnay mafaad kay liyay sochta hai.

People vote for these TTFs because they have their own interests.Everyone knows these people are insincere and corrupt.

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[SAF]

It's simple- ignorance

 

[Evi1]

You don't have to look too far back. Just look at the recent by-elections after the dharna. Most of the tickets were awarded to PPP left overs and the result is for all to see.




So tell me how has this strategy worked out for Imran Khan and PTI so far? From my understanding they have lost heavily on all the by-elections, cantonment elections and now the local bodies election.

Imran Khan promised change from PMLN and status quo. However, PTI has itself become part of the status quo by doing the same brand of politics that PPP and PMLN are famous for. He has only damaged his own politics by using this approach because it is increasingly becoming hard to differentiate between PTI and PMLN. I understand some compromises are necessary but PTI compromised their core principle that they have been selling to the public which is tabdeeli.

I have seen recently some efforts by PTI in local bodies after the heavy defeat. I hope its not temporary and they have learned a lesson from their mistakes.

I am sorry; anyone who says they cannot differentiate between PTI and PMLN clearly doesn’t know PMLN at all. Prove it with evidence that PTI has done the level of mammoth corruption, nepotism at every level, destroyed bureaucracy, and initiated multi billion rupee scam projects, killings, theft of national treasure to do massive level of money laundering to build personal palaces and business empires abroad to be called same as PMLN.

Did PTI promise the tabdeeli in the performances of the system and individuals, policies and ideas of just cosmetic "tabdeeli" of faces for heck of it? That's a very superficial criticism. Maybe you can answer that how many of your friends and family members would want to become part of that tabdeeli, give up everything to join the political process so Imran has a pool of new and committed faces to choose from. Even if Imran can bring 50% of tabdeeli in Pakistan, he'll still be considered a winner. It is naive to expect him to be 100% successful in all his aims. This is so naive. It doesn't happen to anyone us in life. Yet he's a politician, fighting a very tough, hostile and deeply corrupt system with no power and authority.

You are only desensitising public and trivialising all crimes of PMLN since last 30 years by saying PTI is just like them. Such over the top knee jerk reaction over what – that PTI had chosen some low level PMLN candidates for rural constituencies? Really? Is that it? You differentiate with status quo through change of policies and system. Prove it with facts that their politics is just same as status quo when PTI in fact is the only opposition in the country. People who actually follow Pakistan’s politics know that it is very much PTI vs. all parties in Pakistan and the recent selection of Speaker of Assembly proves that. This what working for status quo looks like! I can’t believe people have such simplified linear view of affairs in Pakistan. Either Imran or PTI should be God gifted saintly perfection with prophet like politicians in their ranks or they are just as bad as everyone else. No middle way of thinking whatsoever.

PTI adopted the approach of not taking anyone from PPP and PMLN to further its reach beyond main cities, and it got nowhere for last 17 years. PTI changed the strategy and started getting locally well-known electables sans criminal records from those parties (something powerful politician like Bhutto also did and succeeded), but it is still not going anywhere. So of course it doesn’t take a genius to think that maybe time to try the third strategy which could be a healthy combination of previous two strategies. But one can do so without wholly discrediting and dismissing a political party which has done relatively well despite so many internal weakness and external hurdles.

You are more than welcome to paint PTI as worse as PMLN, MQM, PPP and ANP because they have failed to bring revolution as promised. And if by not meeting their very own high standard is their biggest sin and crime, then that’s fine. What’s the worst that can happen, PTI as a relevant third option will never be tried and people will stick to voting for PMLN, PPP, and MQM depending on their regions (or these parties will keep on abusing the system). And people in between will always yearn for military dictatorship as an alternative because they want a quick and speedy relief.

I think a lot of time people are just frustrated with PTI for not being picture perfect and as successful, then being bad! The criticism is most of time is so disproportionate. In such hostile environment, can you see a prospect of any third party emerging if Imran by any chance decides to hang his shoes tomorrow and the members dissolves PT? No way.

One day Pakistanis will understand that democracy is all about giving chances and electing a lesser evil.

 

[Waseem]

I am sorry; anyone who says they cannot differentiate between PTI and PMLN clearly doesn’t know PMLN at all. Prove it with evidence that PTI has done the level of mammoth corruption, nepotism at every level, destroyed bureaucracy, and initiated multi billion rupee scam projects, killings, theft of national treasure to do massive level of money laundering to build personal palaces and business empires abroad to be called same as PMLN.

Did PTI promise the tabdeeli in the performances of the system and individuals, policies and ideas of just cosmetic "tabdeeli" of faces for heck of it? That's a very superficial criticism. Maybe you can answer that how many of your friends and family members would want to become part of that tabdeeli, give up everything to join the political process so Imran has a pool of new and committed faces to choose from. Even if Imran can bring 50% of tabdeeli in Pakistan, he'll still be considered a winner. It is naive to expect him to be 100% successful in all his aims. This is so naive. It doesn't happen to anyone us in life. Yet he's a politician, fighting a very tough, hostile and deeply corrupt system with no power and authority.

You are only desensitising public and trivialising all crimes of PMLN since last 30 years by saying PTI is just like them. Such over the top knee jerk reaction over what – that PTI had chosen some low level PMLN candidates for rural constituencies? Really? Is that it? You differentiate with status quo through change of policies and system. Prove it with facts that their politics is just same as status quo when PTI in fact is the only opposition in the country. People who actually follow Pakistan’s politics know that it is very much PTI vs. all parties in Pakistan and the recent selection of Speaker of Assembly proves that. This what working for status quo looks like! I can’t believe people have such simplified linear view of affairs in Pakistan. Either Imran or PTI should be God gifted saintly perfection with prophet like politicians in their ranks or they are just as bad as everyone else. No middle way of thinking whatsoever.

PTI adopted the approach of not taking anyone from PPP and PMLN to further its reach beyond main cities, and it got nowhere for last 17 years. PTI changed the strategy and started getting locally well-known electables sans criminal records from those parties (something powerful politician like Bhutto also did and succeeded), but it is still not going anywhere. So of course it doesn’t take a genius to think that maybe time to try the third strategy which could be a healthy combination of previous two strategies. But one can do so without wholly discrediting and dismissing a political party which has done relatively well despite so many internal weakness and external hurdles.

You are more than welcome to paint PTI as worse as PMLN, MQM, PPP and ANP because they have failed to bring revolution as promised. And if by not meeting their very own high standard is their biggest sin and crime, then that’s fine. What’s the worst that can happen, PTI as a relevant third option will never be tried and people will stick to voting for PMLN, PPP, and MQM depending on their regions (or these parties will keep on abusing the system). And people in between will always yearn for military dictatorship as an alternative because they want a quick and speedy relief.

I think a lot of time people are just frustrated with PTI for not being picture perfect and as successful, then being bad! The criticism is most of time is so disproportionate. In such hostile environment, can you see a prospect of any third party emerging if Imran by any chance decides to hang his shoes tomorrow and the members dissolves PT? No way.

One day Pakistanis will understand that democracy is all about giving chances and electing a lesser evil.

Post of the week (Time Pass Section)

Very well said bro, it's a sad reality but can't say Gayle_Force is wrong either. I think we have had same mentality and approach and even Imran Khan tried this for more than 15 years without much success. Does it mean he is giving free hand to corrupt brigade? NO WAY because many of his own PTI ministers have been nabbed by KPK Accountability Commission and we have seen no interference from Imran and THIS is what makes the difference.

 

[Fallen King]

Hello Hello....1..2..3.. mic is on.

People really need to look at other perspective. Minority hates Imran Khan, but unfortunately, those who object certain policies of PTI is branded as 'noora' without hearing their side. Comparatively, supporters from other parties are pretty laid back and capable of having mature debate. That being said, it is politics which often means a lot of things. There is saying that if somebody popular is hated, that also mean he must be doing something right. So to the example below;

As for now, Nawaz Sharif is the proven biggest despised popular figure in the political history of Pakistan.

 

[Gayle_Force]

I am sorry; anyone who says they cannot differentiate between PTI and PMLN clearly doesn’t know PMLN at all. Prove it with evidence that PTI has done the level of mammoth corruption, nepotism at every level, destroyed bureaucracy, and initiated multi billion rupee scam projects, killings, theft of national treasure to do massive level of money laundering to build personal palaces and business empires abroad to be called same as PMLN.

Did PTI promise the tabdeeli in the performances of the system and individuals, policies and ideas of just cosmetic "tabdeeli" of faces for heck of it? That's a very superficial criticism. Maybe you can answer that how many of your friends and family members would want to become part of that tabdeeli, give up everything to join the political process so Imran has a pool of new and committed faces to choose from. Even if Imran can bring 50% of tabdeeli in Pakistan, he'll still be considered a winner. It is naive to expect him to be 100% successful in all his aims. This is so naive. It doesn't happen to anyone us in life. Yet he's a politician, fighting a very tough, hostile and deeply corrupt system with no power and authority.

You are only desensitising public and trivialising all crimes of PMLN since last 30 years by saying PTI is just like them. Such over the top knee jerk reaction over what – that PTI had chosen some low level PMLN candidates for rural constituencies? Really? Is that it? You differentiate with status quo through change of policies and system. Prove it with facts that their politics is just same as status quo when PTI in fact is the only opposition in the country. People who actually follow Pakistan’s politics know that it is very much PTI vs. all parties in Pakistan and the recent selection of Speaker of Assembly proves that. This what working for status quo looks like! I can’t believe people have such simplified linear view of affairs in Pakistan. Either Imran or PTI should be God gifted saintly perfection with prophet like politicians in their ranks or they are just as bad as everyone else. No middle way of thinking whatsoever.

PTI adopted the approach of not taking anyone from PPP and PMLN to further its reach beyond main cities, and it got nowhere for last 17 years. PTI changed the strategy and started getting locally well-known electables sans criminal records from those parties (something powerful politician like Bhutto also did and succeeded), but it is still not going anywhere. So of course it doesn’t take a genius to think that maybe time to try the third strategy which could be a healthy combination of previous two strategies. But one can do so without wholly discrediting and dismissing a political party which has done relatively well despite so many internal weakness and external hurdles.

You are more than welcome to paint PTI as worse as PMLN, MQM, PPP and ANP because they have failed to bring revolution as promised. And if by not meeting their very own high standard is their biggest sin and crime, then that’s fine. What’s the worst that can happen, PTI as a relevant third option will never be tried and people will stick to voting for PMLN, PPP, and MQM depending on their regions (or these parties will keep on abusing the system). And people in between will always yearn for military dictatorship as an alternative because they want a quick and speedy relief.

I think a lot of time people are just frustrated with PTI for not being picture perfect and as successful, then being bad! The criticism is most of time is so disproportionate. In such hostile environment, can you see a prospect of any third party emerging if Imran by any chance decides to hang his shoes tomorrow and the members dissolves PT? No way.

One day Pakistanis will understand that democracy is all about giving chances and electing a lesser evil.

Wow that is a very passionate reply. Let me make one thing clear I am and have been a PTI supporter for the longest time.

When have I discredited PTI or its necessity? However, It doesn't take a genius to realize that in the last couple of years PTI's politics has completely gone off track. The problem is PTI and most of the supporters are unwilling to accept that mistakes have been made. They will point fingers at everyone else but the party and your post is another example of that.

PTI is not above criticism and pointing out the party flaws does not make one naive. Also, it is not people's fault to treat PTI differently, Imran Khan himself put his party at a higher pedestal then other parties.

Lastly, constantly justifying PTI's compromises by comparing them with Bhutto doesn't justify anything. Bhutto did not promise the large scale 'tabdeeli' that Imran has been advocating. Imran in his entire political campaign has been promising a change from traditional politics. Rural areas are where this change is required the most and PTI has been handing over tickets to tried and tested lotas in these areas. Also, rural areas account for the majority of Pakistan, where will the compromise stop? So again where is the change going to come from?

Let me guess, Imran is going to enforce the party policies from the top. How is that a viable solution? What happens if god forbid Imran Khan is not there? where will the party stand?

 

[Square Drive]

An unthankful qaum (sadly) getting what it deserves.

Meanwhile, Nawaz is making Zardari look like Jinnah in some aspects...

 

[confused_amoeba]

I don't think anyone hates him. Everyone including PML-N, PPP and MQM supporters respect his achievements in the cricketing world and his philanthropic work. Even in politics, I think majority admits that he is truly the only choice against the status-quo. I think a lot of us are disappointed in him. No one expected him to be a perfect politician but his judgement and temperament has left a lot to be desired.

He definitely has good intentions but he does not seem smart and sharp enough to achieve his goals. His arrogance and stubbornness have costed him dearly. His credibility took a big blow when he ended up making a fool of himself during the dharna episode. Looks like he and PTI have not really recovered since. Now his party is divided with Jahangir Tareen and Shah Mahmood in opposite camps.

The pathetic performance of PTI in the local body elections just goes to show how PTI has been unable to capitalize on PML-N and PPP's poor performance in Punjab and Sindh respectively. Drawing huge crowds seems to be their strength but ultimately that is not enough. I feel PTI lacks in organization and ground work needed to win elections. Hope they can make it up in time for the next elections.

 

[AlphaFighter]

I don't think anyone hates him. Everyone including PML-N, PPP and MQM supporters respect his achievements in the cricketing world and his philanthropic work. Even in politics, I think majority admits that he is truly the only choice against the status-quo. I think a lot of us are disappointed in him. No one expected him to be a perfect politician but his judgement and temperament has left a lot to be desired.

He definitely has good intentions but he does not seem smart and sharp enough to achieve his goals. His arrogance and stubbornness have costed him dearly. His credibility took a big blow when he ended up making a fool of himself during the dharna episode. Looks like he and PTI have not really recovered since. Now his party is divided with Jahangir Tareen and Shah Mahmood in opposite camps.

The pathetic performance of PTI in the local body elections just goes to show how PTI has been unable to capitalize on PML-N and PPP's poor performance in Punjab and Sindh respectively. Drawing huge crowds seems to be their strength but ultimately that is not enough. I feel PTI lacks in organization and ground work needed to win elections. Hope they can make it up in time for the next elections.

Everything is so corrupt and rotten in Pakistan, either the elections were rigged to the core or the people truly do not want any change from the Status quo.

IK has done his bit talking and exposing the rigged elections. All he got from the people was "We are sick and tired of hearing you talk about rigged elections, can you please get a life and move on please?" and these same people allow the likes of Zardari, Nawaz Sharif, Altaf Hussain come back to power 5-6 times irrespective of recent poor goverance, poor economic indicators and past pathetic performance.

When a nation does not want to help itself, even God cannot help that country and here IK is only human.

 

[dayvancowboy]

Everything is so corrupt and rotten in Pakistan, either the elections were rigged to the core or the people truly do not want any change from the Status quo.

IK has done his bit talking and exposing the rigged elections. All he got from the people was "We are sick and tired of hearing you talk about rigged elections, can you please get a life and move on please?" and these same people allow the likes of Zardari, Nawaz Sharif, Altaf Hussain come back to power 5-6 times irrespective of recent poor goverance, poor economic indicators and past pathetic performance.

When a nation does not want to help itself, even God cannot help that country and here IK is only human.

And Pakistanis think the country can lead the Ummah when it can't even get its own house in order. /facepalm

 

[saeedhk]

By the way, yet another reason for people to laugh at Imran Khan, Asif Zardari has been cleared from corruption cases by PMLN backed NAB due to lack of evidence "Ro Imran Ro"

Democracy is the best revenge!

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[confused_amoeba]

Everything is so corrupt and rotten in Pakistan, either the elections were rigged to the core or the people truly do not want any change from the Status quo.

IK has done his bit talking and exposing the rigged elections. All he got from the people was "We are sick and tired of hearing you talk about rigged elections, can you please get a life and move on please?" and these same people allow the likes of Zardari, Nawaz Sharif, Altaf Hussain come back to power 5-6 times irrespective of recent poor goverance, poor economic indicators and past pathetic performance.

When a nation does not want to help itself, even God cannot help that country and here IK is only human.

Are you not able to entertain a 3rd possibility, that PTI did not have the political experience or know how to convert crowds into votes. This is not such a far fetched explanation. PTI end up losing even the recent local body and by-elections which were conducted under the Army/Rangers.

Systematic large scale rigging was not proved. PTI lost their case in the Supreme Court. It was not a conspiracy. Imran's claim proved wrong, pure and simple. Even in the case when rigging was suspected and re-election was called as in the case of the Speaker's seat in Lahore, PTI lost again. Now what does a person do when he keeps hearing Imran harping about rigging over and over again other than stop taking him seriously.

Blaming the people is another standard scapegoat PTI supporters use when they are unable to make a logical point. When will you learn from the phrase that "all politics is local". You can't just hold a jalsa twice a year and be absent otherwise and than expect people to vote for you. Your candidates need to be there in the community not on TV or Twitter.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Are you not able to entertain a 3rd possibility, that PTI did not have the political experience or know how to convert crowds into votes. This is not such a far fetched explanation. PTI end up losing even the recent local body and by-elections which were conducted under the Army/Rangers.

Systematic large scale rigging was not proved. PTI lost their case in the Supreme Court. It was not a conspiracy. Imran's claim proved wrong, pure and simple. Even in the case when rigging was suspected and re-election was called as in the case of the Speaker's seat in Lahore, PTI lost again. Now what does a person do when he keeps hearing Imran harping about rigging over and over again other than stop taking him seriously.

Blaming the people is another standard scapegoat PTI supporters use when they are unable to make a logical point. When will you learn from the phrase that "all politics is local". You can't just hold a jalsa twice a year and be absent otherwise and than expect people to vote for you. Your candidates need to be there in the community not on TV or Twitter.

In a country where almost everyone has a price, it is naive to claim that judges cannot be bought in Pakistan.

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[confused_amoeba]

In a country where almost everyone has a price, it is naive to claim that judges cannot be bought in Pakistan.

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Another convenient scapegoat, always blame your defeat on cheating and corruption. When you win, all is good, when you lose, the whole system is rotten. Never re-examine your short comings or look at ways to improve.

Lage raho....

 

[AlphaFighter]

Another convenient scapegoat, always blame your defeat on cheating and corruption. When you win, all is good, when you lose, the whole system is rotten. Never re-examine your short comings or look at ways to improve.

Lage raho....

This is the truth. On merit alternative political parties should be given a go instead of the same tried and tested parties with a track record of abuse of power, corruption.

I am not even vouching for the PTI here. The fact that these two parties have a monopoly on the system and keep coming back to power successfully irrespective of performances means not only do they have nothing to fear about the consequences of their actions and the fact they can get away with anything but it means two additional things ie the entire electoral system is just so corrupt to the core or the people of pakistan just do not want to change which is reflected by the fact that they keep voting the same ttfs again and again with flying colours.

Like I said even God cannot help a country which does not want to help itself.

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[confused_amoeba]

This is the truth. On merit alternative political parties should be given a go instead of the same tried and tested parties with a track record of abuse of power, corruption.

I am not even vouching for the PTI here. The fact that these two parties have a monopoly on the system and keep coming back to power successfully irrespective of performances means not only do they have nothing to fear about the consequences of their actions and the fact they can get away with anything but it means two additional things ie the entire electoral system is just so corrupt to the core or the people of pakistan just do not want to change which is reflected by the fact that they keep voting the same ttfs again and again with flying colours.

Like I said even God cannot help a country which does not want to help itself.

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And we are back to square one......

 

[CricketCartoons]

Lol at Honest politician. Usually the privileged class who dont have to fight the system talk about honest leaders. The under privileged wants someone who helps them with their basic needs and navigate the system. Whether he is corrupt is of no importance as long as he gets their work done. Love to see the privileged whine about the jaahil awam not voting for the leaders these air conditioned people want to be voted to power.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Lol at Honest politician. Usually the privileged class who dont have to fight the system talk about honest leaders. The under privileged wants someone who helps them with their basic needs and navigate the system. Whether he is corrupt is of no importance as long as he gets their work done. Love to see the privileged whine about the jaahil awam not voting for the leaders these air conditioned people want to be voted to power.

Who is complaining? The Pakistani people continously vote for the tttfs as is their democratic right but then they should reap what they sow if they give up their votes for short sighted gains.

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[shaz619]

Timely bump after this thread:

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...to-give-up-their-land-either-by-hook-or-crook


Immy trying to force people out of their homes against their will

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] you missed this thread while you been away

 

[Slog]

They dont

He is just a polarizing figure.

 

[Mamoon]

Post number 19 is a nice brief summary. Everything else has already been discussed in depth.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Once Upon a time,

When Imran Khan was democratic, honest, bold & brave.


ISI Political wing ki Godee mein chalaang laganay se qabal.


This Man was the only politician of last 45 years who wasn't pedawaar of Gate number 4 besides Benazir Bhutto Shaheed but after 20 years of struggle when He became people's choice Imran Khan chose to become a stooge of the highest order. The way He has done mulazmat of Isi political wing post 2014 is unparallel in the history of Pakistan. 24/7 every single day.


Losing this Imran Khan was a huge loss and would be writte in history of Pakistan.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

 

[PakLFC]

I disagree with his political views. PTI is more of a personality cult then anything else. IK may have done some good things in KPK but his views only appeal to those who can not see the overall picture. He has no understanding of economics yet insists he can make Pakistan the next USA. He has no idea of how to deal with India over IoK other then to "talk with them". I find IK to be very self centred and someone who just wants to be in the lime light! Many now former members have left his PTI circus after having lost complete faith in the direction it has taken. Whilst acknowledging he indeed played a major role in exposing Nawaz and Zardari it is not to say he'd make a great PM. His supporters seem unable to understand the difference between politics and Cricket. Instead of wanting elections next months he should be insisting that the care taker government stabilises the situation and remains in power for a few years otherwise the Likes of Nawaz will continue to bleed the country. He can not see that there has to be accountability before the next elections. He is to be credited for ending the two party system in Pak.