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Rafay Shafiq

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Despite good records, younus khan didn't get recognition like other greats like sangakara, jayawardane, ponting, dravid, inzimam, yousuf, Clarke, Smith etc.

Why? What's reason?
 
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His innings at Lord's, OT and Edgbaston hold the answer.

In general, he was a woeful ODI batsman unlike the said players.

Players who do well across all formats are generally rated higher, and for the right reasons.
 
Rafay Shafiq said:
Despite good records, younus khan didn't get recognition like other greats like sangakara, jayawardane, ponting, dravid, inzimam, yousuf, Clarke, Smith etc.

Why? What's reason?
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Jaya, Inzi, Yousuf, Clarke are not world greats, they are country greats.

Nobody has even denied Younus a status of Pakistani great not even his haters.

Younus is among them.
 
Because he has been doing it at home for the last five years. He needed good tours of England and Oz later this year to be mentioned in the same breath
 
First reason , he is poor in other formats .

Second , he is not that flamboyant , does not have many strokes.
 
Younis is a Pakistani great,no doubt it.

But he has no substantial performance in AUS,SA and even WI.

Before this 200 he didnt have a great innings in ENG either.Thats why he will never be in league of Pontings Dravids or even Sangas and Kallis.

But he is certainly in the league of Clarke,Jaya,Yousuf etc,no doubt.
 
karthikc said:
Cmon Inzi is a world great.
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No he isnt.His poor performances in AUS/SA in every format is the reason.ANd he struggled againist them both home and away.

The only world great batsman from Pakistan is Javed Miandad.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Younis is a Pakistani great,no doubt it.

But he has no substantial performance in AUS,SA and even WI.

Before this 200 he didnt have a great innings in ENG either.Thats why he will never be in league of Pontings Dravids or even Sangas and Kallis.

But he is certainly in the league of Clarke,Jaya,Yousuf etc,no doubt.
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Check his 2006 tour.
 
cricketjoshila said:
No he isnt.His poor performances in AUS/SA in every format is the reason.ANd he struggled againist them both home and away.

The only world great batsman from Pakistan is Javed Miandad.
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Rahul dravid not on his lvl either .quit crying and enjoy his domination
 
cricketjoshila said:
Younis is a Pakistani great,no doubt it.

But he has no substantial performance in AUS,SA and even WI.

Before this 200 he didnt have a great innings in ENG either.Thats why he will never be in league of Pontings Dravids or even Sangas and Kallis.

But he is certainly in the league of Clarke,Jaya,Yousuf etc,no doubt.
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173 in Leeds 2006 was his best overseas knock up until today. His most Fluent and classy knock.


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pakpukhtun said:
Look at his numbers and records .
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I have. Now tell me why would I rate him in the same league as Lara SRT and Ponting or Dravid. As most people who are not haters have pointed out, his excellent career needed a reconfirmation beyond UAE. He has done it finally after three tests of hopping around in the England. And he will have to do more of the same in Australia when we tour end of the year.
 
saeed-sohail said:
173 in Leeds 2006 was his best overseas knock up until today. His most Fluent and classy knock.


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You need to look up that test match and watch that innings.Not great at all.Infact his innings in SA was much better.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Younis is a Pakistani great,no doubt it.

But he has no substantial performance in AUS,SA and even WI.

Before this 200 he didnt have a great innings in ENG either.Thats why he will never be in league of Pontings Dravids or even Sangas and Kallis.

But he is certainly in the league of Clarke,Jaya,Yousuf etc,no doubt.
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He averages 50 now in England and somwehere between 48 and 49 this series, sometimes it's not about consistently scoring 50s like Bairstow and averaging 40+ it's about match winning knocks and impact which is what YK does best - another fine example of this is during the 3rd test 360+ run chase in last SL tour.

Don't compare him to flat track bullies like Jayawardena. Also YK is much better than MoYo...
 
yasir_shah said:
He averages 50 now in England and somwehere between 48 and 49 this series, sometimes it's not about consistently scoring 50s like Bairstow and averaging 40+ it's about match winning knocks and impact which is what YK does best - another fine example of this is during the 3rd test 360+ run chase in last SL tour.

Don't compare him to flat track bullies like Jayawardena. Also YK is much better than MoYo...
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Yeah he is way above Mahela who was great at 2 grounds in SL only. Younis was not ahead of MoYo ealier, but now he has easily overtaken him
 
yasir_shah said:
He averages 50 now in England and somwehere between 48 and 49 this series, sometimes it's not about consistently scoring 50s like Bairstow and averaging 40+ it's about match winning knocks and impact which is what YK does best - another fine example of this is during the 3rd test 360+ run chase in last SL tour.

Don't compare him to flat track bullies like Jayawardena. Also YK is much better than MoYo...
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Failing miserably for 6 innings and then scoring a double is not consistency.Everyone saw his struggle versus fast bowling.He has a very miserable record in WI and SA as well.This is why he is never mentioned as among the world greats.No consistent big scores outside Asia.

MoYo record outside Asia is better than YK.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Failing miserably for 6 innings and then scoring a double is not consistency.Everyone saw his struggle versus fast bowling.He has a very miserable record in WI and SA as well.This is why he is never mentioned as among the world greats.No consistent big scores outside Asia.

MoYo record outside Asia is better than YK.
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Bouncing back from that form to score 200 is a sign of class and ability too! Any avaeage player would've kept failing and failed throughout the series, Younis bounc ed back which in itself is something to praise.

But your bias...
 
cricketjoshila said:
Failing miserably for 6 innings and then scoring a double is not consistency.Everyone saw his struggle versus fast bowling.He has a very miserable record in WI and SA as well.This is why he is never mentioned as among the world greats.No consistent big scores outside Asia.

MoYo record outside Asia is better than YK.
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You lost credibility when you said this, you are deluded to be frankly honest
 
Pete Rose said:
I have. Now tell me why would I rate him in the same league as Lara SRT and Ponting or Dravid. As most people who are not haters have pointed out, his excellent career needed a reconfirmation beyond UAE. He has done it finally after three tests of hopping around in the England. And he will have to do more of the same in Australia when we tour end of the year.
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Im not saying hes gd as tendulkar bradman or lara but he in the discussion with dravid ponting nd them guys.
 
MoYo was a decent batsman with insane 1-2 years, akin to Gautam Gambhir. Both averaged 90+ and won ICC test cricketers of the year and boosted their career average.

In terms of consistency, Younus is superior. MoYo was 10 times more pleasing to watch, Younus is ugly.
 
Nathan lyon and moeen ali regard younis as the best player of spin bowling in the world .
He is regarded as the best player of spin bowling in the world currently .
His match winning ability is a little underrated though.
 
pakpukhtun said:
Im not saying hes gd as tendulkar bradman or lara but he in the discussion with dravid ponting nd them guys.
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Some Experts and neutrals from around the world have Ponting and Dravid in their lists as top batsmen of modern day or modern day world 11s but you would not find any expert of neutral having YK over these 2 players..

YK is a great servant to the game and Pakistani great, no doubt about it but he is just a notch below Ponting and Dravid in Tests and slightly above Mahela, Clarke, Sehwag..
 
cricketjoshila said:
Failing miserably for 6 innings and then scoring a double is not consistency.Everyone saw his struggle versus fast bowling.He has a very miserable record in WI and SA as well.This is why he is never mentioned as among the world greats.No consistent big scores outside Asia.

MoYo record outside Asia is better than YK.
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Scoring 9k runs, 32 tons at 53 over 15yrs is consistency Hes only played a handful of games in aus n WI n they were mostly early in his career
 
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cricketjoshila said:
You need to look up that test match and watch that innings.Not great at all.Infact his innings in SA was much better.
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I don't need to look up that test. I watched it live and still maintain that was his best and most fluent knock against pace.


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He doesn't get recognition from our own fans, let alone the rest of the world.

Underrated.
 
Younis is much better than Mahela. Also MoYo.

I'm still undecided on the comparison with Inzi.
 
Just needs a ton in Australia to have scored a ton in every country, right?

Let's hope he can add a ton in Australia.
 
Younis is a great test batsman

Hanif was a legendary test batsman. However did not get to play ODIs.

When one considers Pak batsmen who have excelled in both tests and ODIs then the top three in my book are Miandad, Inzamam and Zaheer (sheer elegance and timing)...followed By Yousuf and Saeed Anwar. Asif Iqbal (did not play many ODIs) deserves a mention too, a very dependable batsman. Majid Khan and Wasim Raja were class players too however their statistical record does not do justice to their respective talents. Salim Malik was another very good player.
 
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He's easily on par with dravid, one of the best test batsmen of all time. Legend :sachin
 
YK is certainly a better test batsman than Mahela. I haven't seen anyone rating Mahela as a better test bat than YK. Now about universally getting rated - You have to gun in one format and very good in another format.

YK is a notch below the likes of Sanga in the test format and poor in the ODI format. That's why he doesn't get rated that high at global level. Still, most fans rate him high in the Test format.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Younis is a Pakistani great,no doubt it.

But he has no substantial performance in AUS,SA and even WI.

Before this 200 he didnt have a great innings in ENG either.Thats why he will never be in league of Pontings Dravids or even Sangas and Kallis.

But he is certainly in the league of Clarke,Jaya,Yousuf etc,no doubt.
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Lmao this proves you have no idea

He had a brilliant 2006 test tour of England
 
cricketjoshila said:
Younis is a Pakistani great,no doubt it.

But he has no substantial performance in AUS,SA and even WI.

Before this 200 he didnt have a great innings in ENG either.Thats why he will never be in league of Pontings Dravids or even Sangas and Kallis.

But he is certainly in the league of Clarke,Jaya,Yousuf etc,no doubt.
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How many test innings has he played in Aus, SA & WI?

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cricketjoshila said:
Failing miserably for 6 innings and then scoring a double is not consistency.Everyone saw his struggle versus fast bowling.He has a very miserable record in WI and SA as well.This is why he is never mentioned as among the world greats.No consistent big scores outside Asia.

MoYo record outside Asia is better than YK.
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After how many years he was playing in England again?

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In general, he was a woeful ODI batsman unlike the said players. Players who do well across all formats are generally rated higher, and for the right reasons. :yk2
 
The Game (HBK) said:
In general, he was a woeful ODI batsman unlike the said players. Players who do well across all formats are generally rated higher, and for the right reasons. :yk2
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Well, how would you go with Cook then? ATG cook gets compared with Smith and Hayden, both of them were good in all formats which cook wasn't.
 
Since, he has performed in England vs England, expect him to be hyped by English media and cricket experts from now on.
 
Unfortunately players only get rated if they perform against the likes of eng, sth or aus and because pakistan doesnt play these teams much players like younis go under the radar

The mentality is stupid You can be poor as hell against the asian teams but win an ashes series and your a legend

Conversely yk can score tons for fun in asia but fail abroad and hes useless

Thats the way it is im afraid Not fair
 
Slog said:
Lmao this proves you have no idea

He had a brilliant 2006 test tour of England
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I have no idea.OK.All i know is that his only substantial innings came in 167 runs loss where 5 other players scored centuries .The Match was headed for a draw before Pakistan decided to gift wickets to Sajid Mahmood and Monty Panesar.

That series was known for Moyo's performances.

When you compare his performances outside Asia to the players you want him to be recognised with you realise that he doesnt match up.
 
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One of the best test batsmen of all time and easily comparable to players like dravid or sanga. His ability to play spin is second to none. Legend :kohli
 
Prince_ said:
One of the best test batsmen of all time and easily comparable to players like dravid or sanga. His ability to play spin is second to none. Legend :kohli
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Yup have to agree, his second innings record alone makes sure he should be mentioned in the same breath as Sanga and co.

Add to that he captained Pakistan to a world cup, if all this doesn't make you an all time great, i don't know what else he can do.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Then you need to check the stats.
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I'm not gonna go into details because I already know the stats.

MoYo and YK performances in England are similar
YK slightly better in NZ
YK better in SA and has actually scored a hundred unlike MoYo
YK better in AUS even though he has yet to score a ton, but I'm pretty he will score at least 1 end of this year.

I'm not gonna look into WI and Zimbabwe because they've not been very competitive since 2000.

So to suggest MoYo's record outside Asia is better is just straight garbage even if you take performances in WI into account.

Oh off topic I know you also conveniently ignored that MoYo averaged low 30s in India and SL whereas YK averages 77 and 46 respectively?

You seem to be burning from YK's double hundred because your hero in your pic couldn't make one there.

No doubt YK is one of the modern test greats, he's clutched for Pakistan time after time and brought his best knocks when the team needs his most.

YK >>>>>>>>>> MoYo
 
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yasir_shah said:
I'm not gonna go into details because I already know the stats.

MoYo and YK performances in England are similar
YK slightly better in NZ
YK better in SA and has actually scored a hundred unlike MoYo
YK better in AUS even though he has yet to score a ton, but I'm pretty he will score at least 1 end of this year.

I'm not gonna look into WI and Zimbabwe because they've not been very competitive since 2000.

So to suggest MoYo's record outside Asia is better is just straight garbage even if you take performances in WI into account.

Oh off topic I know you also conveniently ignored that MoYo averaged low 30s in India and SL whereas YK averages 77 and 46 respectively?

You seem to be burning from YK's double hundred because your hero in your pic couldn't make one there.

No doubt YK is one of the modern test greats, he's clutched for Pakistan time after time and brought his best knocks when the team needs his most.

YK >>>>>>>>>> MoYo
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Moyo has a better record than YK in England.His 2006 series performance was legendary,YK doesnt even comes close to it.

Not gonna look at runs scored againist Walsh Ambrose and Heath Streak?Why?MoYo scored 2 centuries againist Walsh and Ambrose.

Both have a very poor record in SA.Nothing to write home about.

Good Luck with YK bettering his record in Australia versus Starc and co.
 
I think, YK's ODI record goes against him. It's not about being good in one format & poor in other; rather in modern days, players are rated highly for their LO performance more than Test. For example, being a fan, if I put it softly, Virat is below Rahne in Test; but for his outstanding LO performance, many rates him the best batsman in his generation, at least in top 3/4.

I put it in a context - YK's career stands at 9.5K Test runs at 54/53 stats with 32 hundreds & 30 fifties (this is outstanding conversion, means once set, he almost counts that & his SR must be over 70 in those 62 innings)
In ODI 7K+ at 31/75 with 7/48 century/fifty. He has a 50+ score in ODI in less than 5 innings, which is good, but in ODI, he is a poor starter, hence his average & SR is poor.

Some of his Test stats are outstanding - average of 50+ in Europe (ENG), Oceania (AU/NZ), Africa (boosted by 200* against ZIM). 50+ average at home, neutral & away venue; average on 54, 56, 49, 56 in 1st, 2nd, 3rd & 4th innings, remarkable consistency in batting 1st or second (average of 53.72 & 53.73); average of 53.50+ in case of winning toss or losing toss, average of 75+ in wins, 18 hundreds in 43 wins ............. these are truly outstanding stats. He might not be technically proficient, but at outstanding competitor & a true match winner with bat. Besides, he one of the best ever spin player that I have seen.

Now, I reverse his stats -

Test: 7K runs at 45/50 stats with 20/45 hundreds & fifty vs
ODI : 9.5K runs at 40/85 stats with 20/50 hundreds & fifty - I am sure he would have been respected lot, lot more than what he is now.

Great player, but more than that a great competitor; now getting a bit stick for stressing it too long; which is normal - none can beat age. But still in between, at this age & struggle, in last 1 year, this guy has played 2 innings of 177* & 218; which earned his team an away 2-1 series win in SRL & a 2-2 series draw in England - remarkable. I am sure, in this media mockery days, YK is not mentioned that much, but deep into their heart most contemporary cricketers has lots of respect or the tough man. Truly an ATG of cricket, if I look beyond stats & media hype.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Moyo has a better record than YK in England.His 2006 series performance was legendary,YK doesnt even comes close to it.

Not gonna look at runs scored againist Walsh Ambrose and Heath Streak?Why?MoYo scored 2 centuries againist Walsh and Ambrose.

Both have a very poor record in SA.Nothing to write home about.

Good Luck with YK bettering his record in Australia versus Starc and co.
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This is the only thing he needs to complete his cricketing CV. If he accomplishes a hundred and averages 40+ in AUS at the end of his career you have to acknowledge he's one of the modern greats.
 
Because he is a mediocre FTB who is the worst batsman ever to average 50+ and score 10K runs.
 
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