Why don't the likes of Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder have the Mike Tyson fear factor?

[Savak]

Both these guys are undefeated, both these guys are big punchers with very impressive KO records, but somehow they just don't appear invincible at all, they don't scare the opponents or the boxing public in general, you never get the impression or the vibe from these 2 guys that when they enter the ring someone is going to be hurt very badly, they don't even terrorize anyone with just their mere presence, the staredown etc. Heck these guys don't even have girls falling over them left, right and centre.

What is missing in these guys?

 

[Haz95]

Both these guys are undefeated, both these guys are big punchers with very impressive KO records, but somehow they just don't appear invincible at all, they don't scare the opponents or the boxing public in general, you never get the impression or the vibe from these 2 guys that when they enter the ring someone is going to be hurt very badly, they don't even terrorize anyone with just their mere presence, the staredown etc. Heck these guys don't even have girls falling over them left, right and centre.

What is missing in these guys?

Mike Tyson 'I'm gonna **** you till you love me you .....' whilst on the other end of the spectrum we have Anthony Joshua doing that fake loud laugh like he did when he did recently in that grand opening in Amsterdam. Boxers need a fear factor personality, Mike wanted to kill his opponents, Ali confidently claimed he's the best in the world, had such a strong influential personality who spoke his mind straight. All these guys were real, they had killer instincts and were just better boxers. Wilder has ridiculous power and is pretty fearful in the ring when he literally chases his wounded opponents and puts them in stretchers but he's not really someone to take serious because he's just acts like a typical American ghetto thug, rather than a one man army who will murder anyone who looks at him the wrong way (i.e. Tyson). His staredown with Fury was pretty sick tho haha.

The main reasons I think are:
1)
I believe political correctness is playing a huge part in this too because you can't say anything nowadays without the half of twitter getting offended, just ask Tyson Fury. Tyson Fury belongs in the previous era with a personality like his and if he was given more media attention, he'd have a much bigger fan base. Everything is offensive now

2)
Money which is sort of stemmed from reason #1. Everything is about money, everyone acts fake and puts 'likeable' personalities on (especially AJ) to get sponsorships, viewerships etc. Boxing is about business now rather than about real 1 on 1 wars.

 

[humzy]

Both these guys are undefeated, both these guys are big punchers with very impressive KO records, but somehow they just don't appear invincible at all, they don't scare the opponents or the boxing public in general, you never get the impression or the vibe from these 2 guys that when they enter the ring someone is going to be hurt very badly, they don't even terrorize anyone with just their mere presence, the staredown etc. Heck these guys don't even have girls falling over them left, right and centre.

What is missing in these guys?

Tyson was created out of a perfect storm, he is one of a kind in his ability to create fear in his opponent due to his upbringing.

His mother was a prostitute and he grew up stealing and getting jailed regularly at the age of 10 years old. The insecurities of his poverty and unhealthy childhood were then used by his mentor, Cus'Damatto, to enrage him into becoming a monster in the ring.

Imagine a father figure constantly telling you you are a god and you are a destroyer at the tender age of 14. Now imagine at 14 you are destroying adults in the ring, it kind of re establishes what Cus was telling him, that he is the ultimate destroyer. This bread a sense of confidence that was unmatched by the time he was 18 and went pro.

 

[shaz619]

Neither AJ or Wilder are fit to shine Tyson's shoes, that's the first reason; they are at least 3-4 levels below him. If you go through AJ's resume, many of his fights were stopped by the ref rather then single punch KO power, a number were also arguably premature, the opposition is also nor here or there and his style is too one dimensional. His record is really padded and as Haz95 mentiones the guy is not real and he lacks charisma very boring so he wont find much success with the ladies either, bald Tyson Fury at 500 stone has more game then him lol

Wilder on the other hand is the most dangerous puncher in the divisiom but because of his technique and tendency to swing at times fans look at him as a joke which takes away the fear of what he is capable of when he catches you clean.

Mike Tyson was destroying high calibre opposition within minutes! He took out spinks in 60 sec to win the lineal HW title and past his peak knocked out Bruno in just 3 rounds lol Bruno would be a handful for both fighters in the OP

[MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] keep an eye on Daniel Dubois.

 

[shaz619]

Yep, Tyson's upbringing also made him who he was. Wilder's a fake thug and AJ's a wannabe badman.

 

[shaz619]

Mike Tyson 'I'm gonna **** you till you love me you .....' whilst on the other end of the spectrum we have Anthony Joshua doing that fake loud laugh like he did when he did recently in that grand opening in Amsterdam. Boxers need a fear factor personality, Mike wanted to kill his opponents, Ali confidently claimed he's the best in the world, had such a strong influential personality who spoke his mind straight. All these guys were real, they had killer instincts and were just better boxers. Wilder has ridiculous power and is pretty fearful in the ring when he literally chases his wounded opponents and puts them in stretchers but he's not really someone to take serious because he's just acts like a typical American ghetto thug, rather than a one man army who will murder anyone who looks at him the wrong way (i.e. Tyson). His staredown with Fury was pretty sick tho haha.

The main reasons I think are:
1)
I believe political correctness is playing a huge part in this too because you can't say anything nowadays without the half of twitter getting offended, just ask Tyson Fury. Tyson Fury belongs in the previous era with a personality like his and if he was given more media attention, he'd have a much bigger fan base. Everything is offensive now

2)
Money which is sort of stemmed from reason #1. Everything is about money, everyone acts fake and puts 'likeable' personalities on (especially AJ) to get sponsorships, viewerships etc. Boxing is about business now rather than about real 1 on 1 wars.

Tyson was created out of a perfect storm, he is one of a kind in his ability to create fear in his opponent due to his upbringing.

His mother was a prostitute and he grew up stealing and getting jailed regularly at the age of 10 years old. The insecurities of his poverty and unhealthy childhood were then used by his mentor, Cus'Damatto, to enrage him into becoming a monster in the ring.

Imagine a father figure constantly telling you you are a god and you are a destroyer at the tender age of 14. Now imagine at 14 you are destroying adults in the ring, it kind of re establishes what Cus was telling him, that he is the ultimate destroyer. This bread a sense of confidence that was unmatched by the time he was 18 and went pro.

Really good posts enjoyed reading them, both of you hit the nail on the head

 

[Robert]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] my clear memory of Bruno is that he was very strong but immobile, and seemed to lack the instinct to cover up when he got hurt.

 

[big_gamer007]

I don’t know about current era boxers but Tyson at his peak could be argued for as the greatest boxer the world has ever seen.. He was in a different league in terms of power, skill, speed and precision.. Yhe most dangerous man on the planet legit suited him..

 

[mummad]

None of these guys looks scary as well.Boxing lost its aura after Mike Tyson/Lennox lewis. Now a days its mostly marketing hype.

 

[Savak]

Who was feared more? George Foreman or Mike Tyson?

I have been told by many people who lived in the 70's that Millions of Ali supporters prayed for his safety and physical health as the fight against Foreman was upcoming.

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] my clear memory of Bruno is that he was very strong but immobile, and seemed to lack the instinct to cover up when he got hurt.

Bruno had a very good boxing brain, he had a tendency to crumble under a bit of pressure which contributed to that tentative defence. He'd beat both the names in the OP, especially AJ; maybe not Wilder because of his aggression and power.

 

[Diffusion]

You see them too much. There's no mystery behind them, every single one of their fights is somewhere youtube with some quasi expert already having dissected within a few hours of it going up.

 

[shaz619]

Who was feared more? George Foreman or Mike Tyson?

I have been told by many people who lived in the 70's that Millions of Ali supporters prayed for his safety and physical health as the fight against Foreman was upcoming.

It's incredible the number of fighters who were so frightened by the mere idea of stepping in the ring with Mike and he exploited that fear to the max, he was beating world class fighters so easily. Foreman on the other hand was dealing with Killers like Frazier / Norton within minutes! And I've never seen so much concern for a fighter's well being prior to that Rumble in the Jungle, we're looking at a guy that had a 95% KO percentage after 40 fights (prior to his battle with Ali) during the golden era of heavyweight boxing! that's freakish.

It's tough to answer but am going with Tyson by a whisker because of his back story, origins and how he embraced being feared in and out the ring. Foreman on the other hand was ferocious in the ring but beyond the squared circle was a light hearted character, very religious and not as intense as Mike Tyson.