Why Foreign Tourists Hate India but Love Pakistan?

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I have seen a number of similar videos recently, and while it's not totally a surprise, considering the terrible media image of Pakistan, I wonder what posters think might be the reason for this?

 

[sweep_shot]

I saw this one young Englishman. He visited India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh.

He called Indians rude and didn't seem to like India.

On the other hand, he really praised the hospitalities of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis.

 

[mominsaigol]

I saw this one young Englishman. He visited India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh.

He called Indians rude and didn't seem to like India.

On the other hand, he really praised the hospitalities of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis.

The Pakistani community in Australia is lovely.

I remember i once came from the airport. My uber driver was Pakistani.

After he drove me off to my destination, the bill was 74 AUD.

I was willing to pay and he said he wont charge me, told me I'm a Pakistani brother so they cant.

Similarly their was a subway franchise owned by a Pakistani in UK, they did charge me as obviously subway has strict franchise rules but they always gave me an extra Cookie and drink for free anytime I got a sub.

I'm 100% sure Canadian Pakistani and Bangladeshi are equally kind.

 

[mominsaigol]

The Pakistani community in Australia is lovely.

I remember i once came from the airport. My uber driver was Pakistani.

After he drove me off to my destination, the bill was 74 AUD.

I was willing to pay and he said he wont charge me, told me I'm a Pakistani brother so they cant.

Similarly their was a subway franchise owned by a Pakistani in UK, they did charge me as obviously subway has strict franchise rules but they always gave me an extra Cookie and drink for free anytime I got a sub.

I'm 100% sure Canadian Pakistani and Bangladeshi are equally kind.

If it was an indian, he'd charge me triple

 

[RexRex]

What's something that you get in Pakistan that's hard to get anywhere else ? Tourists need a reason to go there.

 

[Ball Blazer]

Bcz foreign tourists do not want to hear Babar Azam being pronounced as Babar Ajam.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What's something that you get in Pakistan that's hard to get anywhere else ? Tourists need a reason to go there.

Hospitality. It's something which Afghanistan is quite well known for as well, maybe tourists are surprised because of the awful reputation these places have in the western media.

 

[RexRex]

Hospitality. It's something which Afghanistan is quite well known for as well, maybe tourists are surprised because of the awful reputation these places have in the western media.

You get basic hospitality pretty much everywhere you go apart from France. How does Pak and Afgh hospitality stand out ? Maybe elaborate. Sorry but I don't buy it.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You get basic hospitality pretty much everywhere you go apart from France. How does Pak and Afgh hospitality stand out ? Maybe elaborate. Sorry but I don't buy it.

I was just trying to answer your question, I am not saying my answer is the defining one. Try watching the video, the girls who made it are Indian, that might give you a better idea.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If you think they are biased (even though they are Indian) then here's a neutral viewpoint:

 

[Rafale Nidhal Fan]

I have seen a number of similar videos recently, and while it's not totally a surprise, considering the terrible media image of Pakistan, I wonder what posters think might be the reason for this?

is the woman on the right Devadwal? she was making excuses of indian behaviors

 

[ElRaja]

pakistanis are very social, and generally tend to socialise around food and drink, so it doesnt matter where you are from or who you are, if you get talking to a pakistani at some point they will genuinely invite you to eat or have tea with them. i used to watch some of the tourism videos back in the day and thats the one thing that always left an impression on foreigners.

pakistan may not be a rich country, but the people are not stingy by nature, so even if they have a little they are happy to share. the cost of eating with others is just seen as a regular living expense. whereas what the videos made it look like that indians in general were too busy with their own lives, or with looking to make a buck, at best theyd ignore these people, and worst look to exploit them.

 

[pillionrider]

I'm not saying Pakistan might not be a good place for a tourist. But to come to this conclusion and open a thread off a Youtube video Kaptaan saab, weekend blues?

Also, that reaction girl looks and sounds like a Pakistani faking Indianness. Obviously I could be wrong. Just a thought.

 

[sweep_shot]

I saw this one young Englishman. He visited India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh.

He called Indians rude and didn't seem to like India.

On the other hand, he really praised the hospitalities of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis.

If you think they are biased (even though they are Indian) then here's a neutral viewpoint:

Yup. This was the guy I was referring to.

 

[sweep_shot]

The Pakistani community in Australia is lovely.

I remember i once came from the airport. My uber driver was Pakistani.

After he drove me off to my destination, the bill was 74 AUD.

I was willing to pay and he said he wont charge me, told me I'm a Pakistani brother so they cant.

Similarly their was a subway franchise owned by a Pakistani in UK, they did charge me as obviously subway has strict franchise rules but they always gave me an extra Cookie and drink for free anytime I got a sub.

I'm 100% sure Canadian Pakistani and Bangladeshi are equally kind.

Nice.

Based on what I saw on YouTube, travel vloggers enjoyed Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc. more than India.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

pakistanis are very social, and generally tend to socialise around food and drink, so it doesnt matter where you are from or who you are, if you get talking to a pakistani at some point they will genuinely invite you to eat or have tea with them. i used to watch some of the tourism videos back in the day and thats the one thing that always left an impression on foreigners.

pakistan may not be a rich country, but the people are not stingy by nature, so even if they have a little they are happy to share. the cost of eating with others is just seen as a regular living expense. whereas what the videos made it look like that indians in general were too busy with their own lives, or with looking to make a buck, at best they'd ignore these people, and worst look to exploit them.

This is true. It's not a great place for foreign tourists(there are exceptions like Kerala and a couple of other places but it's not the norm)

 

[Boyka]

Seems like paid propaganda to me lol

 

[mominsaigol]

You get basic hospitality pretty much everywhere you go apart from France. How does Pak and Afgh hospitality stand out ? Maybe elaborate. Sorry but I don't buy it.

Yeah, thats why you migrated to Singapore. India was too hospitable towards you.

 

[sweep_shot]

Yeah, thats why you migrated to Singapore. India was too hospitable towards you.

These overseas sanghis act like India is the best country to live in.

If that is the case, why don't they live in India?

 

[OldWarHorse]

I used to watch these videos during COVID. I think we are definitely more sly with tourists. India as they say isnt for beginners, especially for those looking for cheap travel. You'll generally see people looking to make a quick buck off you.

Pakistanis generally seem more welcoming in these videos

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I'm not saying Pakistan might not be a good place for a tourist. But to come to this conclusion and open a thread off a Youtube video Kaptaan saab, weekend blues?

Also, that reaction girl looks and sounds like a Pakistani faking Indianness. Obviously I could be wrong. Just a thought.

I am being kind to be honest. If I wanted to diss on India, there's too many doing the rounds these days, mostly made by Indians appalled at the lack of civic sense in their own country.

Neither am I a fan of Pakistan, I have stated on a few occasions I would not want to live there. But in my opinion these girls are making these videos because they feel ashamed that India is not giving a better account of itself as a travel destination. It's an eye opener.

 

[mominsaigol]

@Rajdeep Why are you liking posts? You've never stepped foot in Pakistan and you shamelessly abandoned your country.

Pakistan is a fabulous place with fantastic people, ik this cause I exist when you come to Pakistan you will be greeted by people such as myself, not shameless Indians looking to scam you.

 

[pillionrider]

I am being kind to be honest. If I wanted to diss on India, there's too many doing the rounds these days, mostly made by Indians appalled at the lack of civic sense in their own country.

Neither am I a fan of Pakistan, I have stated on a few occasions I would not want to live there. But in my opinion these girls are making these videos because they feel ashamed that India is not giving a better account of itself as a travel destination. It's an eye opener.

I live in India, so I don't have an illusions about it. But my point was more about judging how tourist-friendy one country is vs another, based off some youtube video. This reaction girl who calls herself Vanshika Nainta sounds sus as well.

 

[Bhaijaan]

There’s a certain laid-back quality about Pakistanis that’s hard to miss. I remember, a few months ago, a black woman got stuck in Pakistan who was a genuine weirdo and an obvious attention-seeker yet Pakistanis handled her with remarkable patience and care, despite the awkwardness of the situation.

In India, such a woman would’ve received help from the authorities and locals no doubt, but it would never have turned into a spectacle or a national talking point the way it did in Pakistan. You can call it naivety or simply the boredom of people looking for some cheap entertainment in Pakistan but in its own way, it was still a touching display of humanity.

India’s image as a tourist destination, unfortunately has been affected by budget travellers who opt for the cheapest hotels and frequent the poorest markets, places even India’s middle class tends to avoid, let alone the affluent. From a pure tourism perspective, most of our major destinations have world-class resorts that naturally attract well-off visitors. Ironically though, those luxury spaces are now filled with upper-middle-class and wealthy Indians, while many foreign tourists, for some odd reason, end up in dingy hotels in red-light areas, only to be found arguing with roadside beggars the next morning.

 

[Technics 1210]

Cos Modis fake India is exposed when tourists travel to 'Incredible' India.

India was high-balled as some SUPAPUWA, but reality is the cult, poverty, illiteracy, racism, lack of sanitation, terrorism (Hindutva), commercialisation of urine, caste system, BCCI, inept fighter pilots, inept spies, and even the INR at its all-time weakest against all major currencies - is a TESTAMENT to the lies that is India, and more satisfying that its the white tourist exposing the jewel in the crown, the old chip in the shoulder is back!

As for the Great Pakistan, the country was low-balled for 2 decades, which is why now every Pakistani experience, progression, tourist, news, spanking of India, Western support over India, will pay dividends in Pakistan's future. Heck even the Brits have turned on the Indian cult! Who'd have thought it!

Always best to underestimate than overestimate.

India is the laughing stock for the next generation.

Short India. Long Pakistan.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I live in India, so I don't have an illusions about it. But my point was more about judging how tourist-friendy one country is vs another, based off some youtube video. This reaction girl who calls herself Vanshika Nainta sounds sus as well.

Well that's why I posted the second video from the British guy for some extra perspective.


Here's another one though, if you think maybe he's telling fibs as well

 

[pillionrider]

Well that's why I posted the second video from the British guy for some extra perspective.


Here's another one though, if you think maybe he's telling fibs as well

Ok great. But what's the point. It still won't compel you to leave England for Pakistan. Or has that changed

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Ok great. But what's the point. It still won't compel you to leave England for Pakistan. Or has that changed

What's the point of anything? The reason I won't leave England is because I am English and would feel like a foreigner in a country where English isn't the primary language. But if the atmosphere in England changed to something different where I felt like an outsider, then I guess I would need to think again.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Tourism for westerners isn't that mature in Pakistan. Small numbers make it a novelty thing, I think if we had a mature industry then it wouldn't be as nicey nicey. Sellers might start to act like Egyptian sellers for example, rather than give stuff away for free. Also, I think westerners are less likely to veer off the beaten track in Pakistan due to the negative perceptions in the media.

In contrast don't think many Western tourists do their due diligence before going to India. They think they can roam freely, but most of the country is a jungle, with jungly people.

Also, Indian's authorities don't tend to have any self-accountability. When their internal tourists were sadly killed in Kashmir, Modi resorted to launching a failed operaiton in Pakistan to try and save face, rather than aknowledge his poor policy in the region and lack of secuirty offered due to the ruling parties ego was the cause of it. Similarly, and also judging by my interaction with Indian posters, I can imagine that when the police and authorities interview a foreign rape victim, they are probably too busy trying to show the victim rape stats in Pakistan or during Aurungzeb era, or find videos of a high-rise building in bangalore than comforting them or helping them.

 

[RexRex]

Yeah, thats why you migrated to Singapore. India was too hospitable towards you.

Singapore is just a pit stop in this race I am in. The finish line is elsewhere. Maybe even back in India.

 

[pillionrider]

Also, I think westerners are less likely to veer off the beaten track in Pakistan due to the negative perceptions in the media.

Westerners get up to all kinds of stuff in India and have for decades. I have personally seen people living in some remote nooks. There is no way they had a valid passport anymore. One old man with a Robinson Crusoe type look literally burst out of some bushes in a lonely part of beach town Gokarna, peered at me, and then vanished again. During the same trip I found a middle-aged man had set up a small place with a car battery connected to a light bulb, a rustic cot and a few clothes. All this set up in a precarious nook of a small cliff. Like the guy just needed to turn wrong in his sleep to take a 100foot fall to rocks below. I don't even know how he got all that stuff down there as I caught him from above.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

@Cpt. Rishwat Interesting and refreshing topic. Not too long ago, India was known for its warmth and hospitality, but something has changed in recent years. A glorified feku has planted a false sense of arrogance, making some Indians believe they are somehow superior to everyone else in this world. This, combined with the growing number of people eager to scam foreign tourists, is the main reason.

I was going through the following video where I found an interesting comment and this reminded me of people like @Rajdeep, @uppercut @Local.Dada :

 

[mominsaigol]

Singapore is just a pit stop in this race I am in. The finish line is elsewhere. Maybe even back in India.

This will be long but extremely respectful towards you so apologises for the read.

And good for you, I wish you success in your career but you won't be going back to India thats for sure.

Look mate, let's stop being delusional. Pakistan and India both have obvious limitations as countries and they both suck, plain and simple.

The reason people immigrate is for better opportunities. Now in my case yes, I came back to Pakistan but thats cause

A) I am rich and upper class, typically middle to lower class immigrate to pursue better opportunities. I immigrated to get a visa free passport as I like to travel.

But case in point both countries have limitations which is why people immigrate.

The difference is that Indians pretend like their country is goated and that they are firecely loyal while Pakistani acknowledge their limitations and wish to immigrate to genuinely become someone else.

B) The purpose of this thread is general perception. The general perception towards Pakistan is nore positive from those who have actually visited both Pakistan and India.

But it is negative to those who have not as india is viewed more positively.

Thats the purpose of this thread.

Now coming back to yourself, Stay in Singapore or if you want upword mobility opt for a better country. India is a deathwish.

 

[RexRex]

This will be long but extremely respectful towards you so apologises for the read.

And good for you, I wish you success in your career but you won't be going back to India thats for sure.

Look mate, let's stop being delusional. Pakistan and India both have obvious limitations as countries and they both suck, plain and simple.

The reason people immigrate is for better opportunities. Now in my case yes, I came back to Pakistan but thats cause

A) I am rich and upper class, typically middle to lower class immigrate to pursue better opportunities. I immigrated to get a visa free passport as I like to travel.

But case in point both countries have limitations which is why people immigrate.

The difference is that Indians pretend like their country is goated and that they are firecely loyal while Pakistani acknowledge their limitations and wish to immigrate to genuinely become someone else.

B) The purpose of this thread is general perception. The general perception towards Pakistan is nore positive from those who have actually visited both Pakistan and India.

But it is negative to those who have not as india is viewed more positively.

Thats the purpose of this thread.

Now coming back to yourself, Stay in Singapore or if you want upword mobility opt for a better country. India is a deathwish.

Thanks for the unsolicited advice lmao. You have opened my eyes.

 

[mominsaigol]

Thanks for the unsolicited advice lmao. You have opened my eyes.

You don't have to like to advise or follow it. It's okay. Upto you.

 

[HalBass9]

People should stop downplaying the extraordinary hospitality that exists in only a few places around the world.

In Pakistan, it’s not luxury hotels or upscale restaurants offering free stays or meals, it’s the ordinary people showing generosity from their own pockets. It’s the small restaurant owners, the street vendors, the rickshaw and Uber drivers who embody true hospitality. Even in fine dining places, it’s often the local customers who quietly pick up the tab for visiting foreigners.

And the notion that Pakistan lacks infrastructure is simply outdated. Most travelers navigate easily, booking hotels, using rideshares, sightseeing, just as they would anywhere else. From travel vloggers to food bloggers, nearly all share the same impression, Pakistanis are exceptionally warm and welcoming.

While Pakistanis may have their internal challenges, when it comes to guests, the converts of India go above and beyond, a reflection of genuine cultural grace that deserves recognition, not minimization.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

I watch few videos from covid time around travel blogs in the subcontinent.

All cheap travellers visit these nations. Dhaka is the dirtiest of all. Sri Lanka seems to be the most neutral / safe place. India is moderate (south and goa are fine but other parts of india isn't great for travel)

Pak on the other hand is diverse and extremely hospitable towards gora travellers, they literally offer free chai/ pakola/ paratha/ bus rides and lifts. Karachi is slightly scammish, but other parts seem good, super affordable stay, food and people are warm. Especially towards gilgit, baltistan. Number of people asking for a selfie and hand shaking towards gora travellers seem very high, it would definitely make the travellers feel superior and comfortable.

Last, even among gora travellers, pak ppl seem to have a special admiration towards folks from the UK.

 

[Sachin fan]

Does the tourism numbers back this claim? Or is this based on some random youtube videos only?

 

[Hellion]

India in general is a terrible country with a lot of filth, uncouth behaviour , racism, violence, misogyny, pollution , disease etc.

I don't care about foreign tourists. Even fellow Indians are treated despicably in large parts of India.

And the worst places are the Hindu pilgrimage sites in India. The most disgusting places in the whole world - Varanasi, Ayodhya and is full of scamsters who want to squeeze every penny out of you, even the temple priests.

From what I've seen, Karachi is an absolutely filthy city and Dhaka is the worst place on the planet.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I will be taking a few non-Pakistanis to Pakistan in the next few years if things remain calm enough.

I''ve never been to India, always wanted too visit until recently. It just seems the main cities are very filthy and most importantly the people seem rude and annoying.

The youtube travellers seem to enjoy Pakistan more.

 

[KingKhanWC]

India in general is a terrible country with a lot of filth, uncouth behaviour , racism, violence, misogyny, pollution , disease etc.

I don't care about foreign tourists. Even fellow Indians are treated despicably in large parts of India.

And the worst places are the Hindu pilgrimage sites in India. The most disgusting places in the whole world - Varanasi, Ayodhya and is full of scamsters who want to squeeze every penny out of you, even the temple priests.

From what I've seen, Karachi is an absolutely filthy city and Dhaka is the worst place on the planet.

When did you visit? I visited around 7 years ago, it was pretty bad in some areas but very clean in others.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

@Cpt. Rishwat Interesting and refreshing topic. Not too long ago, India was known for its warmth and hospitality, but something has changed in recent years. A glorified feku has planted a false sense of arrogance, making some Indians believe they are somehow superior to everyone else in this world. This, combined with the growing number of people eager to scam foreign tourists, is the main reason.

I was going through the following video where I found an interesting comment and this reminded me of people like @Rajdeep, @uppercut @Local.Dada :

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I can understand that Indians want to change the perception of themselves as always being subservient and eager to please. To me, that is what the hindutva movement was mostly created to address. Unfortunately arrogance which is not backed by achievement just looks like inferiority complex. One of the strengths of Hindu culture for me was always the adaptability and willingness to take on new ideas which were better than old thinking. But this seems to be seen as a weakness now.

 

[Sachin fan]

I can understand that Indians want to change the perception of themselves as always being subservient and eager to please. To me, that is what the hindutva movement was mostly created to address. Unfortunately arrogance which is not backed by achievement just looks like inferiority complex. One of the strengths of Hindu culture for me was always the adaptability and willingness to take on new ideas which were better than old thinking. But this seems to be seen as a weakness now.

You have still not responded to post #38. Is your claim based on random youtube videos or do you have numbers to back this up.

What numbers show % wise tourists think Pakistan is better? What numbers show that previously Indians were more hospitable than now?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You have still not responded to post #38. Is your claim based on random youtube videos or do you have numbers to back this up.

What numbers show % wise tourists think Pakistan is better? What numbers show that previously Indians were more hospitable than now?

Why would I respond to that? There is no reason to think that such pointless surveys would ever have been undertaken so this is your requirement not mine. But if you have some figures then feel free to dig them out and provide them.

 

[Champ_Pal]

You can find videos praising Indians on YouTube. Just like you can find videos praising Pakistan, Afghanistan and Younis forbid even Bangladesh

These kinds of videos are everywhere on the internet. You just have to do a 1 minute search.

I am observing this trend now on PP where some usual suspects are trying hard to smear India and Indians after their recent war.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You have still not responded to post #38. Is your claim based on random youtube videos or do you have numbers to back this up.

What numbers show % wise tourists think Pakistan is better? What numbers show that previously Indians were more hospitable than now?

Disingenuous question. There has never been a scientific poll or any poll on this.

We can only go on the opinions of foriengers who have travelled to both nations.

 

[Red-Indian]

I wish troll threads would be a little less obvious. Would make it make it a little more fun to respond.

According to official data, about 10 million foreign tourists visited India last year. I wouldn't fully trust the data since this it's based on entries by Visa type and includes business visitors, Indians who have foreign citizenship returning to visit family and even multiple visits but the same person.

Weirdly, it also includes close to 2 million Bangladeshi visits. They may declare their purpose of visit as tourism but I find it tough to believe that 2 million Bangladeshis are visiting India for tourism.

Even if we exclude all these, a decent estimate is about 5 million tourists in India. There's no point comparing it to countries which essentially get only specialty tourists like Pakistan and Bangladesh.

As I tell friends who want to visit India, it depends on what you want to do. If all you want to do is Goa/Kerala and the Golden Triangle (Delhi-Jaipur-Agra), it's an easy trip like any sanitised tourist experience worldwide. If you want to get into the 'real' India, remember that it's a developing country with all it's filth, risk and yes surprisingly awesome experiences.

If you want a more objective assessment, you only need to look at advisories by Travel Insurance Companies. India ranks with Brazil, Thailand etc. - "travel with caution". Pakistan and Bangladesh typically rank as - "reconsider travel"

 

[RexRex]

I will be taking a few non-Pakistanis to Pakistan in the next few years if things remain calm enough.

Please don't. Not if you want to return with your limbs intact. The Taliban are very angry and there is definitely going to be major reprisals in pakistani cities after the obscene airstrikes in Kabul. I expect bombs to go off in heavily crowded areas in Pak.

 

[Sachin fan]

Disingenuous question. There has never been a scientific poll or any poll on this.

We can only go on the opinions of foriengers who have travelled to both nations.

How do you know these are the majority of the foreigners who have gone to both countries?

I can do the same, for eg, go to 100 foreigners who have been to both places, see that 60 says india is better, 20 say pakistan and 20 are neutral. Then I interview 10 people out of those 20 who say Pakistan only. Is that the correct picture?

Unless there is a survey conducted or study how is random youtube video proof of anything?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

How do you know these are the majority of the foreigners who have gone to both countries?

I can do the same, for eg, go to 100 foreigners who have been to both places, see that 60 says india is better, 20 say pakistan and 20 are neutral. Then I interview 10 people out of those 20 who say Pakistan only. Is that the correct picture?

Unless there is a survey conducted or study how is random youtube video proof of anything?

No one claimed proof of anything. Have a look at the purpose of this forum, it is described as Time Pass. This isn't a court of law so no need to get lawyers involved.

 

[KingKhanWC]

How do you know these are the majority of the foreigners who have gone to both countries?

I can do the same, for eg, go to 100 foreigners who have been to both places, see that 60 says india is better, 20 say pakistan and 20 are neutral. Then I interview 10 people out of those 20 who say Pakistan only. Is that the correct picture?

Unless there is a survey conducted or study how is random youtube video proof of anything?

lol. Why are Indians so sensitive like you?

There is no scientific survey, so you dont need to believe many foreigners see India as s hole but there are many on video stating this.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Please don't. Not if you want to return with your limbs intact. The Taliban are very angry and there is definitely going to be major reprisals in pakistani cities after the obscene airstrikes in Kabul. I expect bombs to go off in heavily crowded areas in Pak.

So, we all have to die. They are not Indians.

Most of Pakistan is very safe, stop watching silly bollywood movies or watching NDTV.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

lol. Why are Indians so sensitive like you?

There is no scientific survey, so you dont need to believe many foreigners see India as s hole but there are many on video stating this.

Yep. This is a trend, hence why it is becoming more of a talking point. The media explosion has been more about negative perceptions of India and Indians abroad rather than a direct comparison, but then comparison videos with Pakistan become an almost inevitable by product of that.

I don't know why posters are getting so angry about it, there are a lot worse videos out there just slamming Indians in general these days. It's not our fault.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yep. This is a trend, hence why it is becoming more of a talking point. The media explosion has been more about negative perceptions of India and Indians abroad rather than a direct comparison, but then comparison videos with Pakistan become an almost inevitable by product of that.

I don't know why posters are getting so angry about it, there are a lot worse videos out there just slamming Indians in general these days. It's not our fault.

Truth always hurt is the theme here.

Just see Karl Rocks videos. He is married to an Indian lady, lives there but his videos of Pakistan show a much better society to visit.

You wont see this in Pakistan.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Pakistan’s tourism is literally non-existent, lol.
In the World Economic Forum’s (WEF) Travel and Tourism Development Index (TTDI) 2024:
India is ranked 39th
Pakistan stands at 101st.

The level of gullibility and lack of knowledge among certain posters is unbelievable, particularly British Pakistanis Sometimes I wonder how they manage to live so far from reality, relying only on random, paid YouTube videos, lol.

Pakistan’s entire annual global tourist count might be less than the number of tourists Goa receives on a busy weekend. A couple of weeks ago, I visited the Isha Foundation in Coimbatore and was completely surprised to see so many foreigners participating in spiritual and yoga courses. I am sure they wouldn’t dare visit Pakistan, given the risk of being targeted under blasphemy laws.
Another classic example of "proof all over social media" threads, lol.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Pakistan’s tourism is literally non-existent, lol.
In the World Economic Forum’s (WEF) Travel and Tourism Development Index (TTDI) 2024:
India is ranked 39th
Pakistan stands at 101st.

The level of gullibility and lack of knowledge among certain posters is unbelievable, particularly British Pakistanis Sometimes I wonder how they manage to live so far from reality, relying only on random, paid YouTube videos, lol.

Pakistan’s entire annual global tourist count might be less than the number of tourists Goa receives on a busy weekend. A couple of weeks ago, I visited the Isha Foundation in Coimbatore and was completely surprised to see so many foreigners participating in spiritual and yoga courses. I am sure they wouldn’t dare visit Pakistan, given the risk of being targeted under blasphemy laws.
Another classic example of "proof all over social media" threads, lol.

Everyone knows the numbers , it’s about the experience of those who have visited both . Most of them
See India as s hole

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Everyone knows the numbers , it’s about the experience of those who have visited both . Most of them
See India as s hole

Yeah, because a country where millions march to the US embassy to kill them and chanting ‘Death to America’ is obviously the world’s top experienced tourist destination. Trust me, bro.

 

[HalBass9]

Yeah, because a country where millions march to the US embassy to kill them and chanting ‘Death to America’ is obviously the world’s top experienced tourist destination. Trust me, bro.

It’s okay, India isn’t nearly as clean as one would expect from a self proclaimed South Asian superpower. In truth, it sits in the same bracket as Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan, though it certainly takes the crown when it comes to filth and scams.

I don’t entirely blame Indians, though. From an early age, many are conditioned to believe that respect is tied to wealth. So the pursuit of money becomes relentless by any means necessary. For most, that means targeting tourists, and judging by India’s tourism rank of 39th, it seems to be quite a lucrative trade.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yeah, because a country where millions march to the US embassy to kill them and chanting ‘Death to America’ is obviously the world’s top experienced tourist destination. Trust me, bro.

You're geography is poor only in Iran did such numbers occur. Pakistan also has freedom of speech, unlike India where a tourist was banned simply for attending a protest.

But sure , please do explain why you feel India is better for tourists?

 

[sweep_shot]

You're geography is poor only in Iran did such numbers occur. Pakistan also has freedom of speech, unlike India where a tourist was banned simply for attending a protest.

But sure , please do explain why you feel India is better for tourists?

From subcontinetal countries, India is definitely the worst and most dangerous for tourism.

Many tourists got raped in India.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

You're geography is poor only in Iran did such numbers occur. Pakistan also has freedom of speech, unlike India where a tourist was banned simply for attending a protest.

But sure , please do explain why you feel India is better for tourists?

Freedom of speech, where? On random YouTube videos? Your opposition leader and one of the most popular politicians in the country is sitting in jail over silly cases, and he can’t even speak a word freely. Malala had to flee Pakistan just to save her life after speaking up for girls’ education and you guys are out here lecturing others about freedom of speech?

Pakistanis lecturing about freedom of speech is like a fish teaching a bird to fly.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

and judging by India’s tourism rank of 39th, it seems to be quite a lucrative trade.

That rating wasn’t given by some random YouTubers you believe in, it was given by the World Economic Forum (WEF). It’s not entirely your fault, I can’t completely blame you for lacking a basic understanding of global ratings. But believing in random YouTube videos instead of verified sources really shows the depth of your ignorance.

 

[RexRex]

People should stop downplaying the extraordinary hospitality that exists in only a few places around the world.

It should be downplayed because it's a myth. I am a real cynic on such isssues. There is nothing unique about the subcontinent people that makes them hospitable, whatever that means, towards visitors. The basic helping mentality exists on pretty much every continent. Human beings are decent in general.

Another poster above mentioned that Pak is only friendly to gora visitors. In which case, it's not hospitality but your colonial complex that's kicking in. That's applicable to India too so I'm not picking on any one country here.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Freedom of speech, where? On random YouTube videos? Your opposition leader and one of the most popular politicians in the country is sitting in jail over silly cases, and he can’t even speak a word freely. Malala had to flee Pakistan just to save her life after speaking up for girls’ education and you guys are out here lecturing others about freedom of speech?

Pakistanis lecturing about freedom of speech is like a fish teaching a bird to fly.

They are still protesting to this day. English may not be your first language but corruption is not the same as freedom of speech.

You keep ignoring points regarding India. So try to explain why Karl Rock (tourist) was banned from India so simply attending a rally?

 

[RexRex]

 

[Hikaru]

I wish troll threads would be a little less obvious. Would make it make it a little more fun to respond.

According to official data, about 10 million foreign tourists visited India last year. I wouldn't fully trust the data since this it's based on entries by Visa type and includes business visitors, Indians who have foreign citizenship returning to visit family and even multiple visits but the same person.

Weirdly, it also includes close to 2 million Bangladeshi visits. They may declare their purpose of visit as tourism but I find it tough to believe that 2 million Bangladeshis are visiting India for tourism.

Even if we exclude all these, a decent estimate is about 5 million tourists in India. There's no point comparing it to countries which essentially get only specialty tourists like Pakistan and Bangladesh.

As I tell friends who want to visit India, it depends on what you want to do. If all you want to do is Goa/Kerala and the Golden Triangle (Delhi-Jaipur-Agra), it's an easy trip like any sanitised tourist experience worldwide. If you want to get into the 'real' India, remember that it's a developing country with all it's filth, risk and yes surprisingly awesome experiences.

If you want a more objective assessment, you only need to look at advisories by Travel Insurance Companies. India ranks with Brazil, Thailand etc. - "travel with caution". Pakistan and Bangladesh typically rank as - "reconsider travel"

Pakistanis seem to live in their own bubble where five or six of them (all equally delusional) create an alternate reality where Pakistan is seen as something it's not even remotely close to in the real world.

This forum is one such congregation. These same posters have been doing it for decades, every single day. Its almost as if all this effort is to make up for the self-esteem they lack in real life.

 

[HalBass9]

That rating wasn’t given by some random YouTubers you believe in, it was given by the World Economic Forum (WEF). It’s not entirely your fault, I can’t completely blame you for lacking a basic understanding of global ratings. But believing in random YouTube videos instead of verified sources really shows the depth of your ignorance.

You are basic, your comments are basic.

First try to understand what is being written then comment. Otherwise you keep coming off as basic.

 

[HalBass9]

It should be downplayed because it's a myth. I am a real cynic on such isssues. There is nothing unique about the subcontinent people that makes them hospitable, whatever that means, towards visitors. The basic helping mentality exists on pretty much every continent. Human beings are decent in general.

Another poster above mentioned that Pak is only friendly to gora visitors. In which case, it's not hospitality but your colonial complex that's kicking in. That's applicable to India too so I'm not picking on any one country here.

There are plenty of videos Pak being friendly to all races that are foreigners.

I get it, India is being, once again, put in bad light, it is not easy to digest for you lot as y'all fed 24/7 y'all better than anyone in sub-continent.

 

[HalBass9]

Pakistanis seem to live in their own bubble where five or six of them (all equally delusional) create an alternate reality where Pakistan is seen as something it's not even remotely close to in the real world.

This forum is one such congregation. These same posters have been doing it for decades, every single day. Its almost as if all this effort is to make up for the self-esteem they lack in real life.

Ironic.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Ironic.

The biggest irony is the MOST visited and the main reason for foriegn tourists is to visit a Muslim built structure. The Taj Mahal

 

[Hikaru]

Ironic.

Lol, what irony?

You won't find Bhartiyas pulling opinions out of **** to start feel-good comparison threads.

Tourists love Pakistan, sure

 

[HalBass9]

Lol, what irony?

You won't find Bhartiyas pulling opinions out of **** to start feel-good comparison threads.

Tourists love Pakistan, sure

They do, that’s exactly what the countless videos show. After being hesitant to visit Pakistan because of what they’d heard in the news, they came, experienced it firsthand, and realized everything they were told was a lie.

It’s the same lie you still cling to, not entirely your fault. You were raised on that narrative, conditioned to believe it, and now it’s difficult to let go because accepting the truth would mean admitting how deeply your government manipulated you into hating an entire country. You’re just not mature enough yet to confront that reality.

It’s no different from those who went to war believing their government’s propaganda, only to discover once they got there that everything they’d been told was false. The difference is, they had the maturity to recognize it.

 

[HalBass9]

The biggest irony is the MOST visited and the main reason for foriegn tourists is to visit a Muslim built structure. The Taj Mahal

Working hard to make it a Hindutva shrine.

 

[Hikaru]

They do, that’s exactly what the countless videos show. After being hesitant to visit Pakistan because of what they’d heard in the news, they came, experienced it firsthand, and realized everything they were told was a lie.

It’s the same lie you still cling to, not entirely your fault. You were raised on that narrative, conditioned to believe it, and now it’s difficult to let go because accepting the truth would mean admitting how deeply your government manipulated you into hating an entire country. You’re just not mature enough yet to confront that reality.

It’s no different from those who went to war believing their government’s propaganda, only to discover once they got there that everything they’d been told was false. The difference is, they had the maturity to recognize it.

Conditioned and raised on this narrative, yet -

- I am not the one coming up with why Tourists hate Pakistan but love India threads, nor are other Indians.

- I am not the one joining other Bhartiyas to show how Pakistan tourism sucks and how Pakistanis are hated.

How does this work? Shouldn't Bhartiyas be the one starting such threads and not your countrymen if we were raised on such narratives and hatred?

You are perhaps too loyal to call out the OP, but what mindset do you think this thread title exhibits? Have courage and speak your mind.

 

[HalBass9]

Conditioned and raised on this narrative, yet -

- I am not the one coming up with why Tourists hate Pakistan but love India threads, nor are other Indians.

- I am not the one joining other Bhartiyas to show how Pakistan tourism sucks and how Pakistanis are hated.

How does this work? Shouldn't Bhartiyas be the one starting such threads and not your countrymen if we were raised on such narratives and hatred?

You are perhaps too loyal to call out the OP, but what mindset do you think this thread title exhibits? The same you talked about above, no?

Exposing the false perception you’ve developed after years of conditioning by your media and government.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Working hard to make it a Hindutva shrine.

According to Google, top 5 attractions in India.

"The top five attractions in India are the Taj Mahal, Golden Temple (Harmandir Sahib), Agra Fort, Qutub Minar, and the Kerala backwaters."

How many of these are Hindu?

 

[HalBass9]

According to Google, top 5 attractions in India.

"The top five attractions in India are the Taj Mahal, Golden Temple (Harmandir Sahib), Agra Fort, Qutub Minar, and the Kerala backwaters."

How many of these are Hindu?

That’s fine, India truly is one of the most beautiful countries in the world. Its diversity, especially when it comes to cuisine from South to North, is an experience that can only be fully appreciated within India itself, not in some Indian restaurant abroad.

But it’s the people who are ruining that experience for tourists, just as it’s the people of Pakistan who are actively reshaping global perceptions about Pakistanis. Anyone with even a bit of maturity can see this clearly. Those raised and conditioned to hate, however, will keep arguing against it, even when countless vloggers have shown the truth, whether by saying it outright or letting their videos speak for themselves.

And that’s exactly what the original post is highlighting.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Working hard to make it a Hindutva shrine.

Guess who’s talking about conversions, lol.
Many old mosques were built over temples and are still standing today.
Islamists should be the last people to lecture others about converting religious shrines , they’re the ones who turned countless ancient temples into rubble. Even the historic Hagia Sophia church was converted into a mosque.
The irony writes itself.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Guess who’s talking about conversions, lol.
Many old mosques were built over temples and are still standing today.
Islamists should be the last people to lecture others about converting religious shrines , they’re the ones who turned countless ancient temples into rubble. Even the historic Hagia Sophia church was converted into a mosque.
The irony writes itself.

Which Yogi in an orange dress built the Taj Mahal

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Which Yogi in an orange dress built the Taj Mahal

You should thank those yogis who are still protecting and preserving Taj mahal, unlike you guys, who either convert them into religious shrines or turn them into toilets.