Why haven't the same spinning pitches used against South Africa prepared for series v Australia?

[Barragan]

This is absolute madness!!

Those pitches were Pakistan's best hopes of winning the series, but yet we are seeing these pathetic pitches.

I would back Pak batsmen to do much better than the Aussie batsmen on those wickets.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Good question.

Simplest explanation is that some idiot (probably Ramiz) came up with the bright idea of nullifying Australia's quicks without realizing that it was Pakistan's quicks that won them the last 3 home series. One of which was against South Africa: a team that has two great quicks in Nortje and Rabada too.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Ever since Ramiz came in he has been making idiotic, deluded statements about pitches in Pakistan. I remember a long time back he said something to the tune of: we will make pitches that will attract touring teams to Pakistan. On top of that he has also been blabbering some nonsense about drop-in pitches regularly.

He is such an idiot that its not even funny anymore.

 

[Markhor]

Ever since Ramiz came in he has been making idiotic, deluded statements about pitches in Pakistan. I remember a long time back he said something to the tune of: we will make pitches that will attract touring teams to Pakistan. On top of that he has also been blabbering some nonsense about drop-in pitches regularly.

He is such an idiot that its not even funny anymore.

Every time Ramiz interferes with pitches he causes problems.

People often forget when Ramiz was CEO in 2004, he demanded green pitches in domestic cricket to prepare us for overseas tours.

It destroyed domestic cricket for a generation.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Aerial view of square looks like Neptune!

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Every time Ramiz interferes with pitches he causes problems.

People often forget when Ramiz was CEO in 2004, he demanded green pitches in domestic cricket to prepare us for overseas tours.

It destroyed domestic cricket for a generation.

I am fairly certain he is responsible for this too. He is someone who simply cannot stay in his lane. Which is why he is so ill-suited for this role. I bet you he interferes in just about everything he can interfere in because that's what unprofessional idiots who are put into positions they don't deserve to be in do.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

Lyon & Ager/Swepson vs Sajid & Nauman
Who will be more dangerous on a rank turner?
That answers your question.

India wins tests on rank turners but it backfired vs England in 2012 ( Swann & Panesar).

 

[Barragan]

Lyon & Ager/Swepson vs Sajid & Nauman
Who will be more dangerous on a rank turner?
That answers your question.

India wins tests on rank turners but it backfired vs England in 2012 ( Swann & Panesar).

I'd take Sajid and Nauman!

Also, Pak batsmen would be much better equipped to deal with the Aussie spinners.

 

[Barragan]

Good question.

Simplest explanation is that some idiot (probably Ramiz) came up with the bright idea of nullifying Australia's quicks without realizing that it was Pakistan's quicks that won them the last 3 home series. One of which was against South Africa: a team that has two great quicks in Nortje and Rabada too.

Completely agree.

ramiz is absolutely clueless about cricket tactics and he only has a career as a commie because of his dumb clichés.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

I'd take Sajid and Nauman!

Also, Pak batsmen would be much better equipped to deal with the Aussie spinners.

In 2012 we thought the same but Pieterson and Cook outperformed Gambhir and co.

 

[Sarwar89]

I am fairly certain he is responsible for this too. He is someone who simply cannot stay in his lane. Which is why he is so ill-suited for this role. I bet you he interferes in just about everything he can interfere in because that's what unprofessional idiots who are put into positions they don't deserve to be in do.

That is exactly what happens when you put fake accent English speaking sales & marketing professionals in technical and brainy roles.

Problem with such people is due to their English communication skills and lots of talking, they are viewed as people with Einstein IQ but deep down such people are empty suits. Ramiz lacks technical knowledge and skill set how to run PCB. He is always trying to prove to the public that “ think outside the box and be super creative”. His innovation & creativity to him looks like a work of genius but to us it looks like a work of an idiot.

I do not know who appointed Ramiz to such high end position. But that individual shall be questioned as well.

Chairman PCB is a serious role and requires serious minded individual who has technical knowledge of cricket. We do Not need a marketing sales joke of a professional.

 

[Barragan]

In 2012 we thought the same but Pieterson and Cook outperformed Gambhir and co.

Except for Smith, none of the current Aussie batsmen are at that level.

Absolute rubbish to compare what happened to Ind against Eng, to the current situation right now.

 

[Moiz14]

Man this is a torture of a series... I wish we better had lost the series instead of going through this pain... This is beyond explaination stuff... Really feel for those who have spent their money and time and went to stadium to watch this horrific series... SHAME ON US BEING THIS TIMID

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Man this is a torture of a series... I wish we better had lost the series instead of going through this pain... This is beyond explaination stuff... Really feel for those who have spent their money and time and went to stadium to watch this horrific series... SHAME ON US BEING THIS TIMID

I agree better to lose on sporting wickets than be subjected to this mind-numbing and dull display of cricket. No way Pakistan can even win this match now.

 

[asifp]

Someone in PCB needs be fired for this debacle. I know people with tickets who refused to go to the ground today

 

[Markhor]

It's not only the surface that's embarrassing - look at the state of the square ! There's lots of eyes on this tour, what kind of image are we sending to the world ?

 

[Zaz]

Lyon & Ager/Swepson vs Sajid & Nauman
Who will be more dangerous on a rank turner?
That answers your question.

India wins tests on rank turners but it backfired vs England in 2012 ( Swann & Panesar).

Lyon is no great bowler against pakistan in asian conditions

Id back our spinners to outperform lyon all day at home n they have done in the past He just doesn bowl with enough pace and side revs for asian conditions

Pcb and ramiz has totally ruined this test series with his idiotic interfering on the pitches that in actual fact are roads

Thered be more pace and spin on mars than we have here on these pitches

 

[Energy]

It's not only the surface that's embarrassing - look at the state of the square ! There's lots of eyes on this tour, what kind of image are we sending to the world ?

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That we are poor, and need support, and affection from others.

 

[Major]

Thank you rameez raja.......

Wonder who will he make the scapegoat. Thank God misbah left or else he would had been blamed for this.

The result of having ex cricketer in admin position who doesnt understand that his job isnt to change pitches and leave it to the ones concerned to it

 

[Major]

[MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] you have been a big supporter or rameez, any words you would like to share now?

 

[moghul]

Lyon & Ager/Swepson vs Sajid & Nauman
Who will be more dangerous on a rank turner?
That answers your question.

India wins tests on rank turners but it backfired vs England in 2012 ( Swann & Panesar).

Absolutely, Thats the answer.

Pakistani batsmen used to be the best players agains any spin bowling, but that was decades ago, now in the era of T20 cricket, Pakistani batter, including Babar can't [lay quality spin for long. Aussies are better prepared than Pakistan for ran turners.

 

[sweep_shot]

Yeah. They should've probably gone with spinning pitches.

But, Australia is obviously much better than South Africa.

 

[moghul]

Why we assume Ramiz is behind every mistake Pakistan is making , I don't think he is involved in wicket preparation , its always captain and coaches . Blame , Babar , and pathetic pair of Saqlain and Yusuf for these blunders, they should take the blame and speak up rather than keeping mum like cowards. If Pakistan loses, they should take the responsibility, nor RR.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Are PCB interested in making money from boring 5 days drawn tests or actually trying to make pakistan a force at home in tests. Seem money speaks more than anything. pathetic coward attitude from pakistan in series so far.

 

[PakPremi]

I'd take Sajid and Nauman!

Also, Pak batsmen would be much better equipped to deal with the Aussie spinners.

Same here Nauman and Sajid wpuld be handful for Aussies on spinning pitches. Lyon does nothing against Pakistan on any pitches.

 

[Zaz]

Why we assume Ramiz is behind every mistake Pakistan is making , I don't think he is involved in wicket preparation , its always captain and coaches . Blame , Babar , and pathetic pair of Saqlain and Yusuf for these blunders, they should take the blame and speak up rather than keeping mum like cowards. If Pakistan loses, they should take the responsibility, nor RR.

Ramiz himself has said the wkt was prepared to nullify the aus attack Havent u seen it?

 

[moghul]

Ramiz himself has said the wkt was prepared to nullify the aus attack Havent u seen it?

Yes, he likes to talk but its the responsibility of the captain and coach and why are they're hiding their faces on this . They are the ones to take credit or blame for team good or bad showing .

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Are PCB interested in making money from boring 5 days drawn tests or actually trying to make pakistan a force at home in tests. Seem money speaks more than anything. pathetic coward attitude from pakistan in series so far.

Crowd is only interested in telling the TV cameras how much they love the Australian players. It's just sad. No test cricket at home has really damaged the way our fans perceive cricket.

 

[Markhor]

Why we assume Ramiz is behind every mistake Pakistan is making , I don't think he is involved in wicket preparation , its always captain and coaches . Blame , Babar , and pathetic pair of Saqlain and Yusuf for these blunders, they should take the blame and speak up rather than keeping mum like cowards. If Pakistan loses, they should take the responsibility, nor RR.

Ramiz is the one who made a big drama about how he'll change the pitches, how he's instructing the curators, that he's sick of flat dull pitches and wants an aggressive brand of cricket.

Are these surfaces producing an aggressive brand of cricket ?

If Saqlain and Yousuf are the problem, who appointed them ?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Came across this on Twitter, it was reported by a cricket journalist/presenter:

"According to media reports, PCB chairman Ramiz Raja has asked the commentary panel to not discuss regarding the behavior of the pitch during commentary at Karachi."

"As per a journalist from Geo News, these instructions were given to commentators by Ramiz Raja during the Rawalpindi Test as well. "

 

[Barragan]

Came across this on Twitter, it was reported by a cricket journalist/presenter:

"According to media reports, PCB chairman Ramiz Raja has asked the commentary panel to not discuss regarding the behavior of the pitch during commentary at Karachi."

"As per a journalist from Geo News, these instructions were given to commentators by Ramiz Raja during the Rawalpindi Test as well. "

How pathetic and stupid!

Telling the commies to not do their job because he is clueless.

Absolute clown.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

How pathetic and stupid!

Telling the commies to not do their job because he is clueless.

Absolute clown.

Agreed.

Pretty much confirms that he was the one behind this whole fiasco too.

 

[Markhor]

Came across this on Twitter, it was reported by a cricket journalist/presenter:

"According to media reports, PCB chairman Ramiz Raja has asked the commentary panel to not discuss regarding the behavior of the pitch during commentary at Karachi."

"As per a journalist from Geo News, these instructions were given to commentators by Ramiz Raja during the Rawalpindi Test as well. "

I have criticised BCCI many times for gagging their commentators like this.

Now PCB/Ramiz is doing the same.

This is what happens when you have a PR man as Chairman who cares more for image than doing the right thing.

 

[Savak]

How long before people start missing the Ehsan Mani, Wasim Khan duo?

 

[shamaan]

Came across this on Twitter, it was reported by a cricket journalist/presenter:

"According to media reports, PCB chairman Ramiz Raja has asked the commentary panel to not discuss regarding the behavior of the pitch during commentary at Karachi."

"As per a journalist from Geo News, these instructions were given to commentators by Ramiz Raja during the Rawalpindi Test as well. "

They should continue to talk about the pitch.

 

[moghul]

How long before people start missing the Ehsan Mani, Wasim Khan duo?

Never, soon everyone will realize RR is the best PCB boss we ever had. Its not the first time Pakistan had dead wickets , ask Lille who described these wickets as the grave yards for bowlers. RR cannot fix everything overnight, show some patient FGS.

 

[moghul]

How pathetic and stupid!

Telling the commies to not do their job because he is clueless.

Absolute clown.

And, you hear RR saying that, or you believe everything on twitter ?

 

[Barragan]

And, you hear RR saying that, or you believe everything on twitter ?

Because he actually came out and said he wanted a flat pitch for the Pindi Test, maybe that's the reason why?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Never, soon everyone will realize RR is the best PCB boss we ever had. Its not the first time Pakistan had dead wickets , ask Lille who described these wickets as the grave yards for bowlers. RR cannot fix everything overnight, show some patient FGS.

He's not fixing anything...he's ruining everything.

Before he came along Pakistan were winning comfortably at home on pitches that played to their strengths. Test matches here had a good balance of bat and ball. Ever since he came along and started making idiotic comments about the pitches here, things have gone downhill.

At this point I am ready to let my ears bleed and will bite the bullet and listen to his commentary if he just leaves this job that he is clearly not qualified to do.

 

[Zaz]

Whoever is responsible for this fiasco needs to get the sack Its ruined a potentially great series

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

And, you hear RR saying that, or you believe everything on twitter ?

Yeah the multiple journalists who have reported this now are just liars trying to get some clicks. Maybe keep your love for Raja aside and try to look at things objectively.

What kind of idiot chairman says that we will create pitches that will make touring teams want to come here? And if that wasn't bad enough this idiot came out and said that we made the Pindi pitch to nullify Australia's pacers. Its because of his statement that the Pindi pitch was rated below average by the ICC.

And yet you somehow still have the gall to defend him. I bet you couldn't even name one thing that he has done since he came on. Probably because he hasn't done anything besides making YouTube videos and idiotic statements.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Ramiz is just being a showman here rather than a man.

It's better to lose an evenly played test match on sporting wickets than drawing the tests on roads.

 

[wrongun]

Fear of Nathan "Murali" Lyon?

If so, that's the lamest lay down in sports history.

Lyon is a decent spinner. But hardly a terror and like most spinners, much better home than away.

 

[wrongun]

Its because of his statement that the Pindi pitch was rated below average by the ICC.

Lol what?

Pretty sure the pitch was rated below average out of kindness and should have been outright poor, because <3 wickets fell per day of the 5 day match.

Less than one per session... that's a godawful pitch for a match containing 5 of the worlds top dozen ranked Test bowlers & a spinner with 400 Test wickets who is the 3rd ranked spinner in the world (and the top non Indian/Asian based).

 

[Justcrazy]

Pakistan should have produced results-oriented surfaces, even if they had lost it should not matter, you need to take chances, if you are afraid of losing you will never develop a winning attitude

 

[Ashmal]

Ramiz Raja is to be blamed here.

He keeps interfering in everything including pitches, selection etc

 

[Mamoon]

Good question.

Simplest explanation is that some idiot (probably Ramiz) came up with the bright idea of nullifying Australia's quicks without realizing that it was Pakistan's quicks that won them the last 3 home series. One of which was against South Africa: a team that has two great quicks in Nortje and Rabada too.

Ever since Ramiz came in he has been making idiotic, deluded statements about pitches in Pakistan. I remember a long time back he said something to the tune of: we will make pitches that will attract touring teams to Pakistan. On top of that he has also been blabbering some nonsense about drop-in pitches regularly.

He is such an idiot that its not even funny anymore.

Your delusions getting exposed again. No point in blaming the pitch when your batsmen are 80/6 on a flat deck.

Australian quicks are several notches above Pakistani quicks.

 

[Mamoon]

Anyone who wanted spicy pitches needs to sit down now. No point in blaming Rameez or the curator when our players cannot cope with scoreboard pressure even on a flat deck.

The first Test would have been the same had Australia won the toss and batted first.

The flatness of the pitch doesn’t matter once you put up the runs. Our batsmen will crumble under pressure and self-destruct.

Such a rubbish and mentally weak team.

 

[We Bleed Green]

Thank you PCB and Ramiz Raja for making pitches suitable for Australia

India has proven like a mathematical theorem how to beat SENA countries in sub-continent and the formula is by producing spinning minefields and this is the only reason why they have completely dominated at home in the last ten years.

No country has come close to beating India at home and instead of copying the formula, the genius PCB and Ramiz Raja thought we should produce flat tracks. Australian bowlers have grown up bowling on flat Australian tracks so well done for dishing out these flat tracks to Australia in a golden platter.

Lets accept it that Australian bowlers are better than Pakistan so flat tracks or Green tracks suit them more than us.

Now all Australia have to do is to win toss and they will then have all the cards. Where is the home advantage?

We are not great players of spin but we can easily outplay Australia on spinning tracks. Even if we lose the toss, then it does not matter as ball will start turning from day one.

It is simple but nothing is simple when it comes to PCB and Ramiz Raja

 

[Shafi]

Yeah you called Sajid and Nauman spinner. Any SENA team has better spinners than these two.

 

[Rana]

Rameez was like this as a commentator too

He never spoke positively for Pakistan and always praised the other side (SENA sides mainly). This is a part of his nature, to always look after the other instead of his own

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Your delusions getting exposed again. No point in blaming the pitch when your batsmen are 80/6 on a flat deck.

Australian quicks are several notches above Pakistani quicks.

You are either not watching the match or completely out of your mind defending your favorite commentator: the cliche jukebox.

There were zero cracks in the pitch on the first two days and now the entire pitch has opened up. Pakistan essentially lost the match at the toss and we wouldn't be in this position if it wasn't for that idiot of a chairman who needlessly decided to tinker with the same pitches Pakistan thrashed South Africa on.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Yeah you called Sajid and Nauman spinner. Any SENA team has better spinners than these two.

That just means Pakistan has a bad bowling lineup, since SENA countries also have much better pacers. Sad

 

[We Bleed Green]

Yeah you called Sajid and Nauman spinner. Any SENA team has better spinners than these two.

They do but I will still fancy my chances of beating any Sena country on spinning mine fields

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Anyone who wanted spicy pitches needs to sit down now. No point in blaming Rameez or the curator when our players cannot cope with scoreboard pressure even on a flat deck.

The first Test would have been the same had Australia won the toss and batted first.

The flatness of the pitch doesn’t matter once you put up the runs. Our batsmen will crumble under pressure and self-destruct.

Such a rubbish and mentally weak team.

LOL this just proves that you are watching this match through the scorecard.

This is not a flat deck anymore. It has deteriorated significantly and there are cracks all over.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

Yeah you called Sajid and Nauman spinner. Any SENA team has better spinners than these two.

+1

 

[Major]

Meanwhile the commentaors have been told by rameez not to discuss the pitch.


Ridiculous. And this guy was a former commie

 

[We Bleed Green]

Finally we have a cricketer as chairman and our cricket is in trouble. Thank you Ramiz

 

[Cric_lover4487]

Meanwhile the commentaors have been told by rameez not to discuss the pitch.


Ridiculous. And this guy was a former commie

Is it legal to do this?

 

[Savak]

Meanwhile the commentaors have been told by rameez not to discuss the pitch.


Ridiculous. And this guy was a former commie

You can't blame the pitch. Australia batted first and scored 550 plus for 9. Pakistan is 100/7. Australia have batted better and have exploited the bowling conditions better. It is inexcusable for our batsmen to be found wanting against reverse swing

 

[Rana]

Do you want to know the honest reason?

It’s because Babar himself is poor against Spin.

 

[Rana]

Finally we have a cricketer as chairman and our cricket is in trouble. Thank you Ramiz

The biggest con in cricket history

 

[Cric_lover4487]

You can't blame the pitch. Australia batted first and scored 550 plus for 9. Pakistan is 100/7. Australia have batted better and have exploited the bowling conditions better. It is inexcusable for our batsmen to be found wanting against reverse swing

I was crucified on this forum when i mentioned that Pak should have been aggressive on day 1. I was reminded that it was a masterstroke to bowl negative lines. If Hasan bowled in high 140s rather than low 130s, he could have exploited reverse swing. You have to admit Babar is a poor captain. Sorry guys you can't protect him all the time and blame everyone else.

 

[Savak]

I was crucified on this forum when i mentioned that Pak should have been aggressive on day 1. I was reminded that it was a masterstroke to bowl negative lines. If Hasan bowled in high 140s rather than low 130s, he could have exploited reverse swing. You have to admit Babar is a poor captain. Sorry guys you can't protect him all the time and blame everyone else.

I watched the Australians bat. They batted with a proper technique and a straight bat against our reverse swing. They were better prepared knowing full well that Pakistani bowlers rely on spin and reverse swing in their home conditions.

Questions should be asked as to why have our batsmen looked clueless and found wanting

 

[Amjid Javed]

Finally we have a cricketer as chairman and our cricket is in trouble. Thank you Ramiz

Sorry but i would hardly classify Ramiz as a cricketer. he was a mediocre player, no wonder hes backed some many current similar club level standard players in current team.

 

[Rana]

There you go

Babar can’t play left arm spin
He can’t play leg spin

 

[Amjid Javed]

We need grass left on lahore surface and needs to be made as dry as possible so it breaks up quickly. Are tin pot batsmen need to score runs. We dont need to play 2 mediocre spinners.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

We need grass left on lahore surface and needs to be made as dry as possible so it breaks up quickly. Are tin pot batsmen need to score runs. We dont need to play 2 mediocre spinners.

Are you sure? Cummins might prove deadly. Aus might include Hazelwood back for green surface. Pak best chance is to prepare a rank turner like India and win comfortably.

 

[Gilly]

Are you sure? Cummins might prove deadly. Aus might include Hazelwood back for green surface. Pak best chance is to prepare a rank turner like India and win comfortably.

Challenge accepted: Lyon and Swepson

Pakistan are no India.

 

[Barragan]

Do you want to know the honest reason?

It’s because Babar himself is poor against Spin.

He definitely is, but that doesn't mean the others are not capable.

Azhar might fall in the Babar category as well, but Aus batsmen are probably much worse against spin than Abdullah, Fawad, Imam, Rizwan etc.

 

[Markhor]

Yeah you called Sajid and Nauman spinner. Any SENA team has better spinners than these two.

These two unthreatening uncles should never play Test cricket again.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Are you sure? Cummins might prove deadly. Aus might include Hazelwood back for green surface. Pak best chance is to prepare a rank turner like India and win comfortably.

i didnt say a green surface, some grass left on allows the ball to grip a bit more which will help pacers and spinners, leaving pitch completely void of grass doesnt help us. look at surfaces vs SA, a small amount of grass was left on the surface.

 

[Buffet]

India has proven like a mathematical theorem how to beat SENA countries in sub-continent and the formula is by producing spinning minefields and this is the only reason why they have completely dominated at home in the last ten years.

I will suggest that's not the only reason.

Eng in India 2016 series - Eng scored 477, 400 & 537 in one inning. It was 5 tests series and Eng lost 0-4. It was a very flat pitch otherwise Eng could never put 400-500 runs in one inning. India has a vastly superior bowling unit. Pakistan won't be able to produce results on such pitches. India's home domination is due to having one of the best bowling units in history in the last 5-6 years and combined that with home advantage they just become very hard to beat.

Now India did give turning tracks to SA and Aus. I think Pakistan should do the same. Pakistan does not have world-class spinners like Ashwin and Jadeja, but Pakistan should have enough to do better than visiting teams. Pakistan did win due to spinners in UAE. Taking out your spinners altogether by putting dead pitch is not going to help Pakistan.

 

[Ashmal]

I will suggest that's not the only reason.

Eng in India 2016 series - Eng scored 477, 400 & 537 in one inning. It was 5 tests series and Eng lost 0-4. It was a very flat pitch otherwise Eng could never put 400-500 runs in one inning. India has a vastly superior bowling unit. Pakistan won't be able to produce results on such pitches. India's home domination is due to having one of the best bowling units in history in the last 5-6 years and combined that with home advantage they just become very hard to beat.

Now India did give turning tracks to SA and Aus. I think Pakistan should do the same. Pakistan does not have world-class spinners like Ashwin and Jadeja, but Pakistan should have enough to do better than visiting teams. Pakistan did win due to spinners in UAE. Taking out your spinners altogether by putting dead pitch is not going to help Pakistan.

There have been some rare flat tracks but more often than not it's been a dustbowl.

Just look at the previous series vs Eng in India...1st test was a flat track where India lost and then had to turn back to preparing minefields to win the series.
Even Joe Root got a 5-fer there

 

[Buffet]

Challenge accepted: Lyon and Swepson

Pakistan are no India.

Yes, Pakistan is no India and everyone knows it but putting turning tracks is still the best option for Pakistan.

Think about it this way. The gap between the Pakistani pace unit and the Aus pace unit is too wide. Even if we assume that the Aus spin unit is better, the gap here is not as wide as in the pace department. On top of that, Pakistan batsmen should be more used to spin than Aus batsmen.

Now if Pakistan wants to just do 0-0 then dead pitches were the way to go and probably that's what PCB tried. For to win, tracks with spin was way to go for Paksitan.

 

[muqarrab]

Ever since Ramiz came in he has been making idiotic, deluded statements about pitches in Pakistan. I remember a long time back he said something to the tune of: we will make pitches that will attract touring teams to Pakistan. On top of that he has also been blabbering some nonsense about drop-in pitches regularly.

He is such an idiot that its not even funny anymore.

Wasn't Ramiz CEO when india toured pakista in 2004 and 2006, the absolute state of those pitched was shambolic, we still lost the 2004 series...Ramiz turns everything he touches into dung.

 

[Buffet]

There have been some rare flat tracks but more often than not it's been a dustbowl.

Just look at the previous series vs Eng in India...1st test was a flat track where India lost and then had to turn back to preparing minefields to win the series.
Even Joe Root got a 5-fer there

I gave you an example of the entire series which was a road. Look up the 2016 Eng-Ind series with 5 tests. All 5 tests were total road. Yes, India won 0-4.

India even put the seamer-friendly track in one test against Aus in one series and won the test.

Yes, Indians tracks are sharp turners most of the time. That's given, but I was pointing out that they have a bowling unit to do well and win in different conditions. Pakistan's resources are a lot more limited and I think the best option is to have turning tracks. It's the best option even for Indians, but they could win in some other tracks as well even though it's harder for them.

To put it in perspective,

Since 2016, here are their pacers figure at home,

Yadav 75 wickets - avg 25
Shami 56 wickets - avg 22
Sharma 41 wickets - avg 26
Kumar 18 wickets - avg 20
Bumrah 14 wickets - avg 15


So pacers have taken 200+ wickets with an average of the lower 20s. So any claim that Indians have dominated at home in the last 6-7 years only due to turning tracks misses the point totally. Turning tracks definitely helped them, but they had ATG bowling unit for home conditions in the last 6-7 years.

 

[Ashmal]

I gave you an example of the entire series which was a road. Look up the 2016 Eng-Ind series with 5 tests. All 5 tests were total road. Yes, India won 0-4.

India even put the seamer-friendly track in one test against Aus in one series and won the test.

Yes, Indians tracks are sharp turners most of the time. That's given, but I was pointing out that they have a bowling unit to do well and win in different conditions. Pakistan's resources are a lot more limited and I think the best option is to have turning tracks. It's the best option even for Indians, but they could win in some other tracks as well even though it's harder for them.

To put it in perspective,

Since 2016, here are their pacers figure at home,

Yadav 75 wickets - avg 25
Shami 56 wickets - avg 22
Sharma 41 wickets - avg 26
Kumar 18 wickets - avg 20
Bumrah 14 wickets - avg 15


So pacers have taken 200+ wickets with an average of the lower 20s. So any claim that Indians have dominated at home in the last 6-7 years only due to turning tracks misses the point totally. Turning tracks definitely helped them, but they had ATG bowling unit for home conditions in the last 6-7 years.

I didn't mean that India can't win on flat tracks.....just pointing out that most of their home pitches in last 8-9 years have been turners, it has been their policy after their failure in 2011 away tours.

That Eng series in 2016 was an exception.

I agree that Pakistan should also prepare pitches to back their bowlers...maybe not as extreme turners as we see in India but something similar to pitches in SA series last year

 

[Buffet]

I didn't mean that India can't win on flat tracks.....just pointing out that most of their home pitches in last 8-9 years have been turners, it has been their policy after their failure in 2011 away tours.

That Eng series in 2016 was an exception.

I agree that Pakistan should also prepare pitches to back their bowlers...maybe not as extreme turners as we see in India but something similar to pitches in SA series last year

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I won't go with rank turners because it can backfire. It has backfired for Indians at times. I don't think Indians should put rank turners as well, but they still do.

Have turning tracks to allow spinners to create enough chances. Aus is weakest against spin. Let them play well against spin on turning tracks and if they win then they win. You just say, well played, and move on. These dead pitches are not helping Pakistan at all. UAE pitches had more turns than these pitches and Aus did not win there.