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Why is Asif Ali selected in the ODI squad?

I can bet my house when I claim this,

If this was a player from an English/Kiwi/Aussie set up, he would be opening the batting and that too for a long time. The commentary team would have backed him to do well and he would have scored a 150 odd score at some point or you knew that a score like that was due
 
I can bet my house when I claim this,

If this was a player from an English/Kiwi/Aussie set up, he would be opening the batting and that too for a long time. The commentary team would have backed him to do well and he would have scored a 150 odd score at some point or you knew that a score like that was due

I'll take your word as I believe it was you who called Fakhar to score a double?
 
I can bet my house when I claim this,

If this was a player from an English/Kiwi/Aussie set up, he would be opening the batting and that too for a long time. The commentary team would have backed him to do well and he would have scored a 150 odd score at some point or you knew that a score like that was due

Unfortunately, too many fans are impatient (whilst at the same time complaining about youngsters not being given enough chances!)
 
There was no logical reason to send Malik ahead of them today. He hasn't been in great form and Fergurson and Boult had overs left. We know how rubbish he is against pace. So it was a perfect chance to try out Faheem and Asif.

Another game wasted without trying out something new in terms of batting.


Asif may have to sit out the next ODI. Don't see Hafeez or Malik being dropped . Imam will return automatically. Haris innings will earn him his place. So Asif will be dropped without even getting a chance!!!!

Especially given Asif loves pace on the ball.

Having both Hafeez and Malik in the line up will be a massive mistake, but it looks like that is what will happen.
 
He’s a poorer version of Afridi who at least could bowl a little

He’s a luxury in the sense he may come off once every 10 games ala Afridi but Pakistan can not afford that

Afridi was one of the cleanest hitters the game has ever seen, Asif can't even wipe his shoe.. No comparison between the 2 in terms of hitting ability. Afridi just lacked any semblance of temperament, and hence a below average career with the bat
 
You are over-hyping power-hitting. It is not needed that much in ODIs. More-so in T20s.

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Power game is essential to score 320+ all the time, and when you are in position take it to 350/375. Even if I am bowling, Sarfrax cannot hit six, mo matter where we play, now that type of player is disaster in Phatta tracks, at no 5/6, where par score is 330 aka next World Cup.

I bet you if Asif and Faheem are playing a season in England, they would be ready for the role we are looking for, UAE is worse place in the world to develop power hitters, we have the lowest PAR score wickets, that is stroke maker killer, no wonder Fakhir struggled so much...

Hafeez, Malik, Saefrax types Mishab used to play all last decade, we were reduced to 230 par score team regardless of wicket, where as rest of the world has moved to 320+, we are losing 8/10 games against top teams all that time. Those timid, spin basher( product of UAE) are of no value in international LOIs, nobody respects our batters for a reason, they cannot rotate, nor have strokes against pace, nor any power in the game...

We need to get our head out of sand and invest in right environment, along with type of players we need to build world class outfit. Filling team with useless seniors is of no use... Under Mickey, I would complain less about selection and lot more about conditions we play, real problem is UAE conditions, they are worse in the world for modern day cricket. You cannot produce team that can win WC here, we have made our task lot more difficult.
 
Pak team management is a joke; Sarfraz we know is a lost cause but Mickey is also not as intelligent as was expected

That'll be a bit too harsh to say for them. No doubt, PAK needs a Buttler type finisher at 5-6 (every team will love to have a Josh Buttler at 6), and they thought that Asif might serve the purpose. When domestic stats are not reliable, may be sometimes you have to back on instincts or take a chance with someone out of box.

Before PSL, I actually didn't even know about Asif & I am not sure how many here were - he is 27 and started domestic career 8-9 years back, never been in PAK juniors (?) and I haven't heard of him here in PP either, therefore quite an "out of box" pick indeed. What I didn't like is that after Asia cup, they should have realized that either he is not good enough or needs a significant improvement in his game for ODI - don't think he was worth a spot in this ODI squad against Kiwis, which probably will cost him a spot in SAF tour squad (for ODI), where probably he had better chance to be successful than UAE.
 
I'll take your word as I believe it was you who called Fakhar to score a double?

Hundred percent!

I cant remember which Kiwi commentator it was but he said something along the lines of

"Asif Ali, he has in what we call in the business 'Big boy power'."

Thats not a small statement from a non asian perspective. The guy doesnt need to dance down the track like his whole team to generate enough power to clear the fence. Only Afridi and Razzaq could boast of that kind of power in their days, add Sharjeel in that list too.
 
Before PSL, I actually didn't even know about Asif & I am not sure how many here were - he is 27 and started domestic career 8-9 years back, never been in PAK juniors (?) and I haven't heard of him here in PP either, therefore quite an "out of box" pick indeed.

There has been a thread on him since 2011.
 
People need to wise up here! its not hard to see why he keep getting selected. Pakistan have lacked power hitters for a decade now and there was a period that someone like afridi used to be the only hope if the run-rate ever went over 6 that's how desperate things were.

Now he is not the best power hitter anybody has ever seen but better than playing another TUK TUK batsman when we already have a few in the line up.
 
I'd rather have him opening than have him wasted down the order. The team planning is atrocious by all concerned.

We know he's a big hitter, and can clear a boundary with ease, so why are we doing the same thing we did with Afridi and dropping him down the order? Because we don't have any big hitters in the middle order? Blame Faheem Ashraf and co.
 
It's a tough one. He might just win is a WC match or a semi. It's risk v reward. One thing that is clear is we are severely lacking in power hitting for almost a decade now.
 
I'd rather have him opening than have him wasted down the order. The team planning is atrocious by all concerned.

We know he's a big hitter, and can clear a boundary with ease, so why are we doing the same thing we did with Afridi and dropping him down the order? Because we don't have any big hitters in the middle order? Blame Faheem Ashraf and co.

Yes agreed. Imam at best will get you 50 (80).

Asif might get you 50 (30) or even 80(45).
 
We all used to complain about Afridi but Asif Ali makes Afridi look 10x better.

Now I miss Afridi. :(
 
I'd rather have him opening than have him wasted down the order. The team planning is atrocious by all concerned.

We know he's a big hitter, and can clear a boundary with ease, so why are we doing the same thing we did with Afridi and dropping him down the order? Because we don't have any big hitters in the middle order? Blame Faheem Ashraf and co.

This is more effective use of his selection. If he is upto the task.

It will ease the quick scoring burden on FZ and the mental midgets in top order can still take their time without suppressing the run rate too low.
 
He would be a bigger threat on wickets where you can actually hit through the line of the ball, not these garbage UAE wickets where it's like your batting on quicksand.
 
He would be a bigger threat on wickets where you can actually hit through the line of the ball, not these garbage UAE wickets where it's like your batting on quicksand.

He was missing full tosses man come on
 
He would be a bigger threat on wickets where you can actually hit through the line of the ball, not these garbage UAE wickets where it's like your batting on quicksand.

Which is why he performed so much better against Australia in Zimbabwe as opposed to the UAE.
 
Power game is essential to score 320+ all the time, and when you are in position take it to 350/375. Even if I am bowling, Sarfrax cannot hit six, mo matter where we play, now that type of player is disaster in Phatta tracks, at no 5/6, where par score is 330 aka next World Cup.

I bet you if Asif and Faheem are playing a season in England, they would be ready for the role we are looking for, UAE is worse place in the world to develop power hitters, we have the lowest PAR score wickets, that is stroke maker killer, no wonder Fakhir struggled so much...

Hafeez, Malik, Saefrax types Mishab used to play all last decade, we were reduced to 230 par score team regardless of wicket, where as rest of the world has moved to 320+, we are losing 8/10 games against top teams all that time. Those timid, spin basher( product of UAE) are of no value in international LOIs, nobody respects our batters for a reason, they cannot rotate, nor have strokes against pace, nor any power in the game...

We need to get our head out of sand and invest in right environment, along with type of players we need to build world class outfit. Filling team with useless seniors is of no use... Under Mickey, I would complain less about selection and lot more about conditions we play, real problem is UAE conditions, they are worse in the world for modern day cricket. You cannot produce team that can win WC here, we have made our task lot more difficult.

"Power game is essential to score 320+ all the time, and when you are in position take it to 350/375. "
You don't have to score 320+ all the time. 350/375 scores are extremely rare. Nowhere in the near future will Pakistan have to score that much.

"Sarfrax cannot hit six, mo matter where we play, now that type of player is disaster in Phatta tracks, at no 5/6, where par score is 330 aka next World Cup."

Sarfraz is a touch player, he runs well, manipulates the field. He might not get big sixes, but he will always be at 100+ SR at least in the death overs. You need someone like that at one end.

"I bet you if Asif and Faheem are playing a season in England, they would be ready for the role we are looking for, UAE is worse place in the world to develop power hitters, we have the lowest PAR score wickets, that is stroke maker killer, no wonder Fakhir struggled so much... "
Asif cannot be in the ODI team if he is a specialist batsman and will only play the last 10-12 overs. He needs to improve his defense and bat in the Top 5, or become an all-rounder. Simple as that. The nature of power-hitting is that you will get out 6(2) a lot and that is somebody's only a role, then they are a passenger for the rest of the match. Most power-hitters aren't specialists. Maxwell, Buttler, Pandya, De Grandhomme, Perera, these guys are all all-rounders. Only David Miller is a specialist and he averages 40 with 5 hundreds and HS 139 in ODIs. Although I hope he can, Asif Ali will be no David Miller I am 99% sure.

"Hafeez, Malik, Saefrax types Mishab used to play all last decade, we were reduced to 230 par score team regardless of wicket, where as rest of the world has moved to 320+, we are losing 8/10 games against top teams all that time. Those timid, spin basher( product of UAE) are of no value in international LOIs, nobody respects our batters for a reason, they cannot rotate, nor have strokes against pace, nor any power in the game... "

Hafeez smashed a 30-ball fifty in a pressure game against the best death bowlers. He is a good hitter. Malik and Sarfraz will get 100+ SR every time because of their running. When it comes to boundaries, a lot of it is luck too. Two edged fours can be crucial. You don't need specialist batsman for inside edges.

" type of player is disaster in Phatta tracks, at no 5/6, where par score is 330 aka next World Cup. "
No, WC will not be par 330 score.

I know the game is changing, but the base will always be the same.
 
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Give him time, we don't have too many clean boundary hitters.

Next time we 'll send request to the opponents to please don't get him out in first 5 balls and give him time.:salute
Asif can only hit if the ball is in his Zone which is his V rest assured he can't play, simple is that.
 
He needs to work on his batting before he's actually groomed on the international stage. So far I see nothing in his batting that should confirm a place for the 2019 WC. Pakistan would be better off grooming Imad, Faheem or Shadab to take on the power-hitting role. Atleast they already contribute something to the team with their bowling even when they fail to make an impression with the bat. Asif literally has one shot that either takes the ball to the second tier or onto his middle stump.
 
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Asif Ali really throws our balance off.

If he was a consistent hitter then it would be one thing and you could argue for his inclusion. But he hasnt shown himself capable other than hitting an odd six and then getting out.

I would rather have an all rounder or bowler in his place.

1) Hafeez
2) Fakhar
3) Babar
4) Haris
5) Malik
6) Sarfraz
7) Shadab
8) Faheem
9) Hassan Ali
10) Amir / Imad Wasim
11) Shaheen Shah Afridi
 
It will be interesting how Asif Ali will perform on bouncy SA tracks. I personally prefer Sohaib Maqsood over Asif Ali
 
He would be a bigger threat on wickets where you can actually hit through the line of the ball, not these garbage UAE wickets where it's like your batting on quicksand.

That is true.

Asif and we too should ignore all these negative posters. MUTE mode. It's just trolling against a newcomer with an ability to clear the park.

All they want are more Sarfraz type "batsmen".
 
Why is that?
I think Sohaib Maqsood showed lots of potential. I dont quite remember what his last few scores were when he was dropped but he was a powerful batsman with a decent defense, good backfoot game.
 
That is true.

Asif and we too should ignore all these negative posters. MUTE mode. It's just trolling against a newcomer with an ability to clear the park.

All they want are more Sarfraz type "batsmen".

If Fakhar had debuted and played a full series in UAE BEFORE the Champions Trophy 2017, we probably wouldn't have selected him in the CT squad.

I think Asif showed what he can do in regular pitches, he was hitting them so clean versus Australia in Zimbabwe.

I still think he should learn to bowl though.
 
If Fakhar had debuted and played a full series in UAE BEFORE the Champions Trophy 2017, we probably wouldn't have selected him in the CT squad.

I think Asif showed what he can do in regular pitches, he was hitting them so clean versus Australia in Zimbabwe.

I still think he should learn to bowl though.

Bowling is a plus, but I won't mind him as a specialist batter if he's able to do his job, at least on good batting surfaces.

That's like more than 70% of LOI pitches worldwide, and 90% ICC tournament pitches
 
Afridi was one of the cleanest hitters the game has ever seen, Asif can't even wipe his shoe.. No comparison between the 2 in terms of hitting ability. Afridi just lacked any semblance of temperament, and hence a below average career with the bat

Afridi was the ultimate hack. Asif Ali is no better, but please let's stop giving any credit to the player who got the most matches in Pakistan history.

Give Imran Farhat that many matches and tell him just wildly swing and you would see similar results.
 
If Fakhar had debuted and played a full series in UAE BEFORE the Champions Trophy 2017, we probably wouldn't have selected him in the CT squad.

I think Asif showed what he can do in regular pitches, he was hitting them so clean versus Australia in Zimbabwe.

What an analysis man. Never thought about this.
 
If Fakhar had debuted and played a full series in UAE BEFORE the Champions Trophy 2017, we probably wouldn't have selected him in the CT squad.

I think Asif showed what he can do in regular pitches, he was hitting them so clean versus Australia in Zimbabwe.

I still think he should learn to bowl though.

But, Fakhar had been delayed by 2, if not 3/4 years at least. He had a FC average over 40 & a List A stat like 45/90 for his career which started probably 5 years before his debut. Also, he had an excellent A team performance for long. I don’t think Asia/UAE wicket has much to do with FZ’s poor run of scores - rather he was misguided into Afridi mould.

I belive in 2015 winter he played 5 games in UAE against ENG Lions and scored couple of hundreds. He had his innings of the life in CT, then got the chance to cash on ZIM reserves- looks like that actually bluffed PCT management more than PP and they wanted him to be “Josh Buttler” from ball 1 on slow UAE wicket - which won’t work ever, not even for some Vivian Richards. That approach didn’t work in Asia Cup, and it won’t work in SAF or ENG either. I tend to put FZ’s recent struggles more on to “batting culture”, rather than UAE wicket - he didn’t change everything in his batting for his last 2 innings in UAE, apart from trying to bat like a proper attacking opener.

Asif’s domestic stats are poor for List A or FC games, for such a long career. That’s the glaring difference here - his defence isn’t sufficient to keep him in middle for long and international teams now have enough of his batting footages. I wish him success in Josh a Buttler, or Virender Sehwag “role”, but don’t think Fakhar’s example is appropriate here.
 
One of the best analysis I've read on Asif Ali till now. Thanks alot for your input.
[MENTION=147429]Chokli[/MENTION]
 
One of the best analysis I've read on Asif Ali till now. Thanks alot for your input.
[MENTION=147429]Chokli[/MENTION]

Thanks mate,

Cheers.

Nope.

If you look at the scenario you posted Fakhar might've not been in the picture today

Lol sorry, couldn't tell.

We probably wouldn't have won the CT. :O

But yes, I feel like these two need proper pitches to showcase their abilities.

We've had the whole Australian team that batted pretty damn well in the Tri-Series and here in UAE they played like minnows.
 
Bowling is a plus, but I won't mind him as a specialist batter if he's able to do his job, at least on good batting surfaces.

That's like more than 70% of LOI pitches worldwide, and 90% ICC tournament pitches

See the thing is, if he was a Yuvraj Singh type batsman then I would agree.

But he's an Afridi/Yusuf Pathan type batsman.. He's not going to get going in every match and we'll see a lot of single digit scores.

But one thing common amongst all of them is that they could bowl.
 
Asif is no more than a decent T20 batsman. He shouldn’t be anywhere near the ODI side. He struggles to form a decent innings and is a poor poor mans Afridi. He’s simply not of international standard.
 
He can't even Bat now experts asking him to bowl... trying to make another hafeez :wahab2 Just because he can clear the ball "When in his Zone" makes him a must in ODIs ... great Logic:salute
 
See the thing is, if he was a Yuvraj Singh type batsman then I would agree.

But he's an Afridi/Yusuf Pathan type batsman.. He's not going to get going in every match and we'll see a lot of single digit scores.

But one thing common amongst all of them is that they could bowl.

You mean utility player.

Unfortunately, PAK is trying utility player at 4 & 5 .... for half a decade now. Another trait of utility player is that each of them (better ones) are blasters - they can contribute with ball, therefore doesn't bother much about "building" innings - just comes & delivers. Best one I had seen was Andrew Symonds - at present, you can name Moeen Ali, Roston Chase, Clin G'homme, Mitch Marsh, Stoiins ...... may be Tisara as well. PAK's utility players bat at 4-5, sometimes as opener as well ..... and then end up scoring 70 ball 50 in Asian wickets, sometimes 35 ball 19 in Power Play as opener .... that too in Asia.
 
A proper middle order batsman who can play both spin and pace and accelerate a bit in the final overs is always better than a blind slogger.

Asif Ali playing as a specialist batsman in ODI's proves that both coach and captain lack cricketing intelligence.
 
He can't even Bat now experts asking him to bowl... trying to make another hafeez :wahab2 Just because he can clear the ball "When in his Zone" makes him a must in ODIs ... great Logic:salute

If he was bowling some off spin, I'd easily put him in the side at 7.
 
If he was bowling some off spin, I'd easily put him in the side at 7.

Why He needs to bowl offspin? If someone is not an allrounder Why start asking them to do something which they can't? just because we want them in team? We want HArris to bowl then we want Fakhar to bowl WHY???? Have Proper batsmen and Bowlers in team + have a proper allrounder.

Currently too many of these bits n pieces players hence the reason we huff n puff scoring 200+ score
 
As a genuine batsman Asif Ali does need to show some numbers to give himself and the fans some confidence in him.

Even if he comes in to bat when there are 5 overs to go, he needs to click and at least score a quick fire 25 here and there (because thats his role), but its not happening with Asif Ali.
 
Why He needs to bowl offspin? If someone is not an allrounder Why start asking them to do something which they can't? just because we want them in team? We want HArris to bowl then we want Fakhar to bowl WHY???? Have Proper batsmen and Bowlers in team + have a proper allrounder.

Currently too many of these bits n pieces players hence the reason we huff n puff scoring 200+ score

Because it would balance out the side more.

Because if he wants to solidify his spot in the team it won't be for his batting.

Nobody is saying for Fakhar to bowl.

Every top team has batsman that can roll their arm over for 2 or 3 overs. It won't kill the player if they learned to do that.

Lol all of those things are easier said than done.
 
As a genuine batsman Asif Ali does need to show some numbers to give himself and the fans some confidence in him.

Even if he comes in to bat when there are 5 overs to go, he needs to click and at least score a quick fire 25 here and there (because thats his role), but its not happening with Asif Ali.

See there's no point of playing him at the expense of a bowler/batsman.

Even Gul on his day could smack a few, same with Amir in the past.
 
Asif has the ability to hit big. I think he will improve after Malik retires. There won't be so much pressure on him to go for big strokes on every ball to make up for the low SR of Malik.
 
Because it would balance out the side more.

Because if he wants to solidify his spot in the team it won't be for his batting.

Nobody is saying for Fakhar to bowl.

Every top team has batsman that can roll their arm over for 2 or 3 overs. It won't kill the player if they learned to do that.

Lol all of those things are easier said than done.

So basically creating another Hafeez. No Thanks!!! Solution is go back to the domestic and produce proper batsmen.
 
So basically creating another Hafeez. No Thanks!!! Solution is go back to the domestic and produce proper batsmen.

And what's wrong with a Hafeez?

If he can become like Hafeez, he'll have a great career.
 
A team with imam, hafeez, malik, and Sarfaraz in top 5 needs whatever help it cal get. I hope he continues to be selected.
 
And what's wrong with a Hafeez?

If he can become like Hafeez, he'll have a great career.

LOLzz may be you started watching cricket yesterday. Hafeez retained his place in the team just because of his bowling (before ban). He term himself as "opener" go check his record what he has done in his career failure after failure then minnow bashing and retained place as bowler.

Now without going into further details about Hafeez. Stop Producing players when they are in their 30s. Fix domestic and pick proper batsmen not hacks.
 
Amir Yameen Is Good Replacement Of Asif At 7, Shadab Need To Learn How To Hit Hard...
If We Open With Sharjeel And FZ Then
Babar
Haris
Saud
Sarfaraz
Amir Yameen
Shadab
9: Hassan
10: Amir/Shaheen
11:Junaid/Abbas
It's Perfect 11 Easily We Make 300+
 
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LOLzz may be you started watching cricket yesterday. Hafeez retained his place in the team just because of his bowling (before ban). He term himself as "opener" go check his record what he has done in his career failure after failure then minnow bashing and retained place as bowler.

Now without going into further details about Hafeez. Stop Producing players when they are in their 30s. Fix domestic and pick proper batsmen not hacks.

If you knew anything about Pakistan Cricket, you'd know how useful Hafeez has been for Pakistan since 2010.

But since you don't it's pointless discussing it with you.
 
If you knew anything about Pakistan Cricket, you'd know how useful Hafeez has been for Pakistan since 2010.

But since you don't it's pointless discussing it with you.

Ya lets forget the first 7 years where he cost us matches and kept getting selected for fans like yourself
Records speak for itself.. for someone who is a "blessed to play all formats" except Minnow bashing have done nothing. Have he played at #6 could have achieved more. Now :shhh
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Ya lets forget the first 7 years where he cost us matches and kept getting selected for fans like yourself
Records speak for itself.. for someone who is a "blessed to play all formats" except Minnow bashing have done nothing. Have he played at #6 could have achieved more. Now :shhh
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Stats aren't everything. He had a role in the team and he is fulfilling it.

I clearly said after 2010 he's been a good player for us. What does pre-2010 have to do with anything? Isn't a player allowed to work on his game?
 
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