Why is Babar Azam so far ahead of Virat Kohli in T20Is?

[jeeteshssaxena]

If someone doesn't accept that Kohli has a 4th gear which players like babar, root, smith, williamson don't have then he doesn't understand cricket.
You can't play a lot of freaky innings with high strike rate in both odis and t20s if you can't accelerate.

Also Sharmas strike rate is lower than kohli but we all know what he is capable of. You need eyes for that, some random stats from website won't help.

Similarly gayle strikes at 87 while Gambhir strikes at 85 in odis.So as i said its not just the stats

 

[MHN1293]

If someone doesn't accept that Kohli has a 4th gear which players like babar, root, smith, williamson don't have then he doesn't understand cricket.
You can't play a lot of freaky innings with high strike rate in both odis and t20s if you can't accelerate.

Also Sharmas strike rate is lower than kohli but we all know what he is capable of. You need eyes for that, some random stats from website won't help.

Similarly gayle strikes at 87 while Gambhir strikes at 85 in odis.So as i said its not just the stats

Smith is also capable of striking the ball. He showed it in the ipl and in yesterdays match.But unlike kohli he has a higher probability of getting out trying to be agressive.

 

[shamaan]

Kohli is atleast a tier above Babar in terms of stroke play and hitting prowess. He takes his time in the beginning (unless he's chasing a gigantic total) as he knows he can make up for it when set like just like Rohit.

Babar is more of a placement player so he looks to make full use of the field restrictions as he knows he neither has the power or a big hitting prowess once the field speeds out no matter how set he is. His blind swinging and missing at the death in the recent Zimbabwe game is a testament of that.

Babar strike rate has improved year by year in both t20s and odis it shows that he is progressing his game even thou Pakistan play less off the big teams his strike rate is similar to kohli in odis and this year in t20s

 

[Mobashir]

Kohli showing as his gears today, people thought he only had 4 but he has 5!

 

[King_Kohli]

Kohli showing as his gears today, people thought he only had 4 but he has 5!

Kohli at his peak without 4th gear.




Few other innings missing in list
321 chase down in 36 overs 133 (86) in Hobart
322 chase vs WI 140(107)

 

[Mobashir]

If someone doesn't accept that Kohli has a 4th gear which players like babar, root, smith, williamson don't have then he doesn't understand cricket.
You can't play a lot of freaky innings with high strike rate in both odis and t20s if you can't accelerate.

Also Sharmas strike rate is lower than kohli but we all know what he is capable of. You need eyes for that, some random stats from website won't help.

Similarly gayle strikes at 87 while Gambhir strikes at 85 in odis.So as i said its not just the stats

Kohli at his peak without 4th gear.


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Few other innings missing in list
321 chase down in 36 overs 133 (86) in Hobart
322 chase vs WI 140(107)

So Kohli scores these hundreds against B grade attacks and he has the 4th gear, but Smith plays these innings against india's best ever bowling attack and he hasn't got the 4th gear.

 

[Indian_cricket_fan]

I am a big time babar fan. But unfortunately it's true unless Babar improves the following he will never be a guy who the opposition will be wary of or the best batsman of his generation

1. Improve his over all strike rate and somehow get the fourth gear (he looks ugly whenever he tries to hit the ball out of the park)

2. Get the hunger and method to score big! Not just 110 but 200 and 300s.

Unless he does this often he will never be in the same league of the real masters of the format like kohli (in odi) and Steven smith (test).

I simply can't imagine him doing a kohli in australia vs srilanka (chasing 300 odd in 38 overs)! Or what Steve did to england in ashes!

 

[Indian_cricket_fan]

Kohli showing as his gears today, people thought he only had 4 but he has 5!

Let's be honest kohli in his 20s would have given this chase a good shot (he did similar vs the likes of malinga who was at the peak of his power then)

 

[King_Kohli]

So Kohli scores these hundreds against B grade attacks and he has the 4th gear, but Smith plays these innings against india's best ever bowling attack and he hasn't got the 4th gear.

No you change the topic from 4th gear.
B grade attack is 125(125) against Zim.

Kohli thrashed no-1 bowlers in his peak.

So,You saying Malinga the No-1 bowelr at that time was a B grade bowler.
You saying Peak Mitchel Jhonson was a B grade bowler.
So you saying Rabada , Morris ,Steyn and Tahir are B gdare bowlers.
So you saying Azmal ,Umar Gul and Wahab are B gdare bowlers.
You saying Boult and Sothee are B gdare bowlers.

How many players had successful 300+ chases in ODI's better than Kohli?
How many players had better SR than Kohli in 300+ chases in ODI's from Pakistan?

I bet you cant find.

 

[Indian_cricket_fan]

No you change the topic from 4th gear.
B grade attack is 125(125) against Zim.

Kohli thrashed no-1 bowlers in his peak.

So,You saying Malinga the No-1 bowelr at that time was a B grade bowler.
You saying Peak Mitchel Jhonson was a B grade bowler.
So you saying Rabada , Morris ,Steyn and Tahir are B gdare bowlers.
So you saying Azmal ,Umar Gul and Wahab are B gdare bowlers.
You saying Boult and Sothee are B gdare bowlers.

How many players had successful 300+ chases in ODI's better than Kohli?
How many players had better SR than Kohli in 300+ chases in ODI's from Pakistan?

I bet you cant find.

Well said. I do agree kohli in his peak with dhoni would have given this very good chance even might have won this game!

 

[Indian_cricket_fan]

But I do believe babar azam would break the record of virat Kohli to retire as the GOAT in t20s when it comes to average and number of runs

 

[Rana]

Well said. I do agree kohli in his peak with dhoni would have given this very good chance even might have won this game!

Oh no man

Maybe if Australia had a bowling attack of Faulkner, Siddle and Harrison, or whatever they had at the time when Kohli was relentless...but not against this Attack of Hazlewood, Cummins and Starc, plus Zampa has got Kohli’s number

 

[MHN1293]

But I do believe babar azam would break the record of virat Kohli to retire as the GOAT in t20s when it comes to average and number of runs

Easily pakistan put most emphasis on t20is, so as long as babar plays as many matches as kohli he will have more runs and 50s than him. His strikerate is also on an upward trajectory but the real comparison can only ne done if babar can match kohlis world cup exploits.

 

[Mobashir]

His logics are no where written.

I thought you understood the basics of cricket King_Kohli.

So the SR of some leading batsman when scoring under 50 in an innings and over 50 runs per innings :
Kohli : 73.18 / 100.42
Root : 73.95 /94.85
Rohit Sharma :65.85 (The worst in the last decade or so from good players) /99.41
Williamson : 67.22/90.44
Babar Azam :77.80/93.23
QdK : 77.01/104.80
ABDV : 83.47 / 112.45

That shows you that the longer you play the better is your SR.

Now lets focus on QdK and Kohli.
Kohli has : 73.18 and 100.42 where QdK has 77.01 and 104.80. That means QdK bats quicker than Kohli in any case but if you look the overall career strike rates, Kohli has 93.26 and QdK is at 94.84 so just a little difference. You know why? Because Kohli more often plays good long innings.

One even more glaring example :
Gayle's SR when he scores under 50 is 78.77 and when scores over 50 is 107 (Stats are of last 15 years).
So in both parts he is way quicker than Kohli, still over the same period is overall SR is just 94.26, roughly the same as Kohli. Do you know why?

I hope you do understand now.

There is no harm in being a Kohli fan, he is probably the second best batsman of his generation behind Smith. But no need to be blind and not understand the basics of cricket.

I am waiting an answer to that.
Have you understand or do you need more explaining?

No you change the topic from 4th gear.
B grade attack is 125(125) against Zim.

Kohli thrashed no-1 bowlers in his peak.

So,You saying Malinga the No-1 bowelr at that time was a B grade bowler.
You saying Peak Mitchel Jhonson was a B grade bowler.
So you saying Rabada , Morris ,Steyn and Tahir are B gdare bowlers.
So you saying Azmal ,Umar Gul and Wahab are B gdare bowlers.
You saying Boult and Sothee are B gdare bowlers.

How many players had successful 300+ chases in ODI's better than Kohli?
How many players had better SR than Kohli in 300+ chases in ODI's from Pakistan?

I bet you cant find.

You have named attacks that are not it the list you put and I quoted so don't know what to answer and what not to.
The attacks in your list are all B grade. None of those attack match India's best ever bowling attack that Smith have killed in two consecutive ODI's.

The only good/ok attack in the list is Pakistan's with Afridi/Ajmal. That was a great innings but how does this innings come ine the 4th gear discussion? His innings SR was 123.64.

 

[King_Kohli]

The attacks in your list are all B grade. None of those attack match India's best ever bowling attack that Smith have killed in two consecutive ODI's.

This is enough

 

[Mobashir]

This is enough

Talking about the list of the picture you posted, just to clarify.

Still you didn't answer if you understood how playing linger innings results in having a better SR?

 

[Mobashir]

Surprisingly the usual suspects didn't created threads and posted much about Kohli's innings today. Accumulating run a ball runs while chasing 390 and letting the RRR go over 12.
And all that being on the crease the whole 10 overs in witch Australia bowled their 5th bowler quota.

 

[Ab Fan]

Both Virat and Smith have that extra gear but the difference is Smith hasn't shown the same consistency of scoring runs as Kohli which is why he averages 43 while Kohli averages 59 in ODIs.

On other hand, Root, Williamson and Babar don't have the extra gear that Kohli and Smith have which is why you won't see them scoring 50 ball or 60 ball 100 in ODI format.

 

[Mobashir]

Both Virat and Smith have that extra gear but the difference is Smith hasn't shown the same consistency of scoring runs as Kohli which is why he averages 43 while Kohli averages 59 in ODIs.

On other hand, Root, Williamson and Babar don't have the extra gear that Kohli and Smith have which is why you won't see them scoring 50 ball or 60 ball 100 in ODI format.

As I already said, scoring 50 ball hundred doesn't mean you have gears.
What is important is to play at a good healthy rate more often. And all 4 (not Williamson) more or so play at the same rate in ODI's.

Smith is better than the other at playing the situation because he is the one who cares the less about his stats.
Kohli scoring a 50 ball 70 would have been better than this run a ball 90 odd and letting the RRR jump so high. That nearly means not even trying to chase down the target.

 

[MHN1293]

Both Virat and Smith have that extra gear but the difference is Smith hasn't shown the same consistency of scoring runs as Kohli which is why he averages 43 while Kohli averages 59 in ODIs.

On other hand, Root, Williamson and Babar don't have the extra gear that Kohli and Smith have which is why you won't see them scoring 50 ball or 60 ball 100 in ODI format.

Smith is underrated, he averages 54 at no3 but definetly not as good as kohli.

 

[shamaan]

I am a big time babar fan. But unfortunately it's true unless Babar improves the following he will never be a guy who the opposition will be wary of or the best batsman of his generation

1. Improve his over all strike rate and somehow get the fourth gear (he looks ugly whenever he tries to hit the ball out of the park)

2. Get the hunger and method to score big! Not just 110 but 200 and 300s.

Unless he does this often he will never be in the same league of the real masters of the format like kohli (in odi) and Steven smith (test).

I simply can't imagine him doing a kohli in australia vs srilanka (chasing 300 odd in 38 overs)! Or what Steve did to england in ashes!

Babar strike rate is improving year by year the only difference between babar and kohli is match winning innings and world cups that's all

 

[shamaan]

The only difference between kohli and babar is that he kohli scores big runs and the world cup but then again pakistan has a less impressive batting than india

 

[shamaan]

Smith is a better all rounder player than kohli thou

 

[King_Kohli]

Virat Kohli was 28*(29) after 15th over.

Then 4,0,6,1,0,6,1,4,6,6,4,0,0,4,4,2,1 and finished on unbeaten 77 runs from 46 balls .

This is called 4th gear.

 

[Rana]

Kohli and Hafeez is actually a more appropriate comparison these days

Babar can’t do what Kohli does at number 3 or 4...but Hafeez can

 

[world cup captain]

Virat Kohli was 28*(29) after 15th over.

Then 4,0,6,1,0,6,1,4,6,6,4,0,0,4,4,2,1 and finished on unbeaten 77 runs from 46 balls .

This is called 4th gear.

There's no comparison between the two. Virat is a GOAT with a plethora of match-winning performances against good opponents. Babar on the other hand is best compared to a very poor man's Root. His only noteworthy performance was against NZ in the 19' WC. One would have to be incredibly delusional to think Babar is anywhere near Virat in any regards.

 

[pillionrider]

Kohli and Hafeez is actually a more appropriate comparison these days

Babar can’t do what Kohli does at number 3 or 4...but Hafeez can

Please don't even joke about these kind of things.

 

[Rana]

Please don't even joke about these kind of things.

Do you see me joking like your homeboys where on the Babar v KL thread?

 

[JaDed]

Kohli and Hafeez is actually a more appropriate comparison these days

Babar can’t do what Kohli does at number 3 or 4...but Hafeez can

So Kohli vs Hafeez T20, Kohli vs Smith Tests, Kohli vs who (ODI)?

 

[Rana]

So Kohli vs Hafeez T20, Kohli vs Smith Tests, Kohli vs who (ODI)?

I’m not sure tbh, there hasn’t been many ODIs of late

 

[jiduguravindra]

Kohli and Hafeez is actually a more appropriate comparison these days

Babar can’t do what Kohli does at number 3 or 4...but Hafeez can

Hafeez can play these type of innings but can he do against bowlers who can bowl 145plus consistently?

 

[Rana]

Hafeez can play these type of innings but can he do against bowlers who can bowl 145plus consistently?

Yes

What makes you say he can’t?

 

[jiduguravindra]

Yes

What makes you say he can’t?

Because i didn't see him doing that. Can u post some scores where he scored against express pace. I see him murdering bowlers bowling around 135 to 140 kmp.

 

[Hasan123]

Kohli and Hafeez is actually a more appropriate comparison these days

Babar can’t do what Kohli does at number 3 or 4...but Hafeez can

Kohli has been doing this for most of his T20 career, Hafeez T20 career especially at international level was a joke until a year ago.

 

[Rana]

Kohli has been doing this for most of his T20 career, Hafeez T20 career especially at international level was a joke until a year ago.

I do think I said ‘a more appropriate comparison “These days”.

 

[Hasan123]

I do think I said ‘a more appropriate comparison “These days”.

So if you have 1 good year it means you should be compared with Kohli?

 

[Ab Fan]

Top 5 T20 players of all-time:-

1. Chris Gayle
2. Virat Kohli
3. AB de Villiers
4. Jos Buttler
5. Kieron Pollard

Don't care about stats. I only believe my eyes and I can't dump them for stats.

 

[Rana]

So if you have 1 good year it means you should be compared with Kohli?

Are you going to take offence to it? I can understand Indian fans but are you also going to act like I have committed Cricket Blasphemy?

 

[King_Kohli]

Highest SR in the last 4 overs in T20s since 2018

ABD - 228.62
Morgan - 227.64
Russell - 216.35
KOHLI-212.95
Pollard - 210.43

 

[Hasan123]

Are you going to take offence to it? I can understand Indian fans but are you also going to act like I have committed Cricket Blasphemy?

I’m asking a question. How is that getting offended?

Answer the question and stop shifting the topic. If you have 1 good year, is that enough to be compared to Kohli?

 

[Rana]

I’m asking a question. How is that getting offended?

Answer the question and stop shifting the topic. If you have 1 good year, is that enough to be compared to Kohli?

Is there a rule in cricket or the MCC rules book that says I can’t?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

So if you have 1 good year it means you should be compared with Kohli?

This reminds me of Gilly and Gilly 2.0 bro. Now you see how this works?

 

[JaDed]

This reminds me of Gilly and Gilly 2.0 bro. Now you see how this works?

In this thread Babar Azam is well ahead of Kohli ..its not 2.0, Kohli is Babar Azam 0.1

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

In this thread Babar Azam is well ahead of Kohli ..its not 2.0, Kohli is Babar Azam 0.1

Version number doesn't matter especially when we have Git to take care of those things. It is how players are hyped and compared to more experienced or retired players after 1 good year/series.

 

[Hasan123]

Is there a rule in cricket or the MCC rules book that says I can’t?

I never said there was rules or anything. I am just asking you a question. The fact you are shifting away from it shows you know you have been caught out for a stupid comparison.

 

[Hasan123]

This reminds me of Gilly and Gilly 2.0 bro. Now you see how this works?

Ahaha true.

 

[Kroll]

Virat Kohli was 28*(29) after 15th over.

Then 4,0,6,1,0,6,1,4,6,6,4,0,0,4,4,2,1 and finished on unbeaten 77 runs from 46 balls .

This is called 4th gear.

Seems quite similar to the way Rizwan has been batting.

 

[BreadPakoda]

KL and Babar have been mediocre in T20Is off late. KL and Babar should be fighting for the top spot considering the amount of T20I they play. Unlike Rohit, Warner, and VK, they don't skip games.

Yet iirc KL is 3rd and BA is 4th in terms of rankings.

 

[BreadPakoda]

So Kohli scores these hundreds against B grade attacks and he has the 4th gear, but Smith plays these innings against india's best ever bowling attack and he hasn't got the 4th gear.

VK and Babar comparison in T20Is makes no sense when VK has a higher average and SR.

Despite Babar padding his stats against Zimbos.

Without Zimbabwe, Babar averages 45 @ 126. If you remove weak opponents, Kohli still averages 53 @ 140.

Babar so far ahead? I'm glad Kohli Vs Smith comparison hijacked the conversation as comparing Babar and Kohli is a bad joke.

 

[Rana]

I never said there was rules or anything. I am just asking you a question. The fact you are shifting away from it shows you know you have been caught out for a stupid comparison.

Stupid comparison? What’s stupid about Hafeez 3.0 v Kohli 2 innings in 2021?

 

[Rohan]

Virat Kohli was 28*(29) after 15th over.

Then 4,0,6,1,0,6,1,4,6,6,4,0,0,4,4,2,1 and finished on unbeaten 77 runs from 46 balls .

This is called 4th gear.

Didn’t watch it but looks amazing.

 

[Hasan123]

Stupid comparison? What’s stupid about Hafeez 3.0 v Kohli 2 innings in 2021?

Hafeez is going through a good run of form. Kohli is a legend in T20 cricket. There is no comparison.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Yesterday knock was amazing. It was sheer joy to watch him bat that way!

 

[Kingpin786]

could not win the match for his team.

 

[Ab Fan]

So, even after much higher sample, Kohli is still averaging higher than Babar and at better strike rate.

Kohli 3078 Runs, Avg 52, S/R 138
Babar 1730 Runs, Avg 48, S/R 130
KL 1600 Runs, Avg 40, S/R 143

Both Kohli and KL are comfortably better than Babar in T20 format as they have much higher S/R, Kohli even has higher average than Babar too.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

could not win the match for his team.

We won while chasing last game when he scored 73*, this game we batted first, he could only do so much - 77*

 

[Kingpin786]

We won while chasing last game when he scored 73*, this game we batted first, he could only do so much - 77*

then why he was not given man of the match?

 

[BreadPakoda]

then why he was not given man of the match?

Agree. A 70*+ score @ 150 SR doesn't count unless your team wins the match AND you get the man of the match.

Fun fact, Kohli has the most Man of the Match awards in T20I history. Most.

 

[BreadPakoda]

And since we are comparing VK with Babar Azam. Here are Babar's Man of the Match awards:

1 against Zimbabwe at home (Pakistan)
1 against Bangladesh at home (Pakistan)
1 against "World XI" at home (Pakistan)
1 against West Indies at home (Pakistan)
1 against New Zealand at home (UAE)

 

[BreadPakoda]

Seriously, no matter how you slice and dice the stats, VK outclasses Babar.

 

[maddgenius]

I don't think Babar is far ahead of Kohli. They are almost at par I reckon.

 

[King_Kohli]

I don't think Babar is far ahead of Kohli. They are almost at par I reckon.

On par on what basis?

 

[maddgenius]

On par on what basis?

On every basis brother. Kohli has mostly batted on batting friendly and high scoring pitches. Also, he doesn't carry the whole burden of batting on his shoulders alone and have support of Sharma, Dhawan, Pant, Pandya etc. These two factors are the main reasons of Babar's slightly inferior strike rate. If he had the support of batsmen like Kohli has and played mostly on phattas, he'd have been averaging 55+ @ 150+ SR

Trust me there is no bias involved in my assessment

 

[Spin Master]

Comparing them at the same stage of career. Yeah Babar is far far ahead.

 

[The lone Ranger]

On every basis brother. Kohli has mostly batted on batting friendly and high scoring pitches. Also, he doesn't carry the whole burden of batting on his shoulders alone and have support of Sharma, Dhawan, Pant, Pandya etc. These two factors are the main reasons of Babar's slightly inferior strike rate. If he had the support of batsmen like Kohli has and played mostly on phattas, he'd have been averaging 55+ @ 150+ SR

Trust me there is no bias involved in my assessment

You mean Babar mostly plays on bowling friendly pitches?

I could relate it to other example like saying Wasim and zaheer are on par. Had he got the support of the likes of those around with Wasim and not mostly played on phattas, his stats would have been superior to wasim's.

 

[maddgenius]

You mean Babar mostly plays on bowling friendly pitches?

I could relate it to other example like saying Wasim and zaheer are on par. Had he got the support of the likes of those around with Wasim and not mostly played on phattas, his stats would have been superior to wasim's.

Babar has mostly played on wickets with par score of 150. Your Akram vs Zaheer example is irrelevant as the difference in class was massive. I'm not comparing Asad Shafiq with Kohli here so let's be reasonable

 

[The lone Ranger]

I have yet to see Babar playing at 170+ SR against top teams. Don't think he has the capability to accelerate at the death. He needs to maximize his scoring opportunity by playing drives in the power play if he is to go big.

he should win the next Two Man of the tournament awards to come anywhere close to kohli in T20IS.

 

[maddgenius]

I have yet to see Babar playing at 170+ SR against top teams. Don't think he has the capability to accelerate at the death. He needs to maximize his scoring opportunity by playing drives in the power play if he is to go big.

he should win the next Two Man of the tournament awards to come anywhere close to kohli in T20IS.

I respect your opinion but that's your opinion. Not a universal fact

 

[Kingpin786]

Agree. A 70*+ score @ 150 SR doesn't count unless your team wins the match AND you get the man of the match.

Fun fact, Kohli has the most Man of the Match awards in T20I history. Most.

No surprice as he has played that many matches

 

[cricketjoshila]

Babar has mostly played on wickets with par score of 150. Your Akram vs Zaheer example is irrelevant as the difference in class was massive. I'm not comparing Asad Shafiq with Kohli here so let's be reasonable

There is a massive gap between Kohli and Babbar Azam. Only on PP are they compared. Its nothing new though, posters here compared Inzamam with Sachin too.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Babar has mostly played on wickets with par score of 150. Your Akram vs Zaheer example is irrelevant as the difference in class was massive. I'm not comparing Asad Shafiq with Kohli here so let's be reasonable

Just because Pakistan batting isnt scoring 170 plus scores or the fact that they play a disproportionate number of matches versus Zim BD SL or teams like WI where players withdraw from pakistan tour, doesn't mean that the pitch is at fault.

 

[pillionrider]

I didn't realise Kohli was some sort of God, maybe some will worship him as they do Sachin.

In terms of actual technique, Babar is better but Kohli is stronger minded and more determined. Babar will not finish anywhere near Kohli in the 50 over format but imo will end up with a better T20 record and has the potential to end up with more test runs, he's still very young.

Yeah because better (allegedly) technique means better T20 career

I like Babar a lot. You will not find a single post of mine where I've had nothing but praise for him. But posts like this make it really hard to suppress rising resentment against the poor guy who really isn't at at fault.

Kohli stands alone in his generation across formats.

And yes. He is a batting God.

 

[Buffet]

If you score 30+ avg in T20 then SR becomes the most important factor.

Avg 30 & 150 SR >>>> Avg 60 & 120 SR.
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Last 10 years - top 8 teams - avg 30+ -- 1000+ runs
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If only Duminy had fans justifying how he is so much better than Virat!

or Poor Dhoni who got so much criticism for his T20 performance.

 

[Ab Fan]

There is a massive gap between Kohli and Babbar Azam. Only on PP are they compared. Its nothing new though, posters here compared Inzamam with Sachin too.

Yeah, there will be same level of gap between Babar and Kohli also when both retires.

 

[Smbhayi]

If you score 30+ avg in T20 then SR becomes the most important factor.

Avg 30 & 150 SR >>>> Avg 60 & 120 SR.
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Last 10 years - top 8 teams - avg 30+ -- 1000+ runs
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If only Duminy had fans justifying how he is so much better than Virat!

or Poor Dhoni who got so much criticism for his T20 performance.

Dhoni's average inflated by not out (even Duminy's too).. 28 not outs out of 52..

 

[Buffet]

Dhoni's average inflated by not out (even Duminy's too).. 28 not outs out of 52..

If someone averages 60 with an SR of 120 then it is actually even worse for the team. The batman will lose most of the games for his team.

In T20 - 40(25) balls are far more useful than 48(40).

Inflated or not, an average of 30 or 40, both are not that great if your strike rate is in 120s in T20. Worse than this will be to average 50 or 60 with the SR in 120.

There are only 120 balls in play in T20. In ODI, we have 300 balls. In tests, balls are not an issue most of the time. SR hardly plays a part in the test, but plays a huge part in games with 120 balls.

 

[Buffet]

Eng has the right attitude for T20. Playing safely for 4-5 overs in T-20 is stupidity unless you are close to getting bowled out.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

If you score 30+ avg in T20 then SR becomes the most important factor.

Avg 30 & 150 SR >>>> Avg 60 & 120 SR.
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Last 10 years - top 8 teams - avg 30+ -- 1000+ runs
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If only Duminy had fans justifying how he is so much better than Virat!

or Poor Dhoni who got so much criticism for his T20 performance.

Great Analysis man.
This clearly shows that in t20s Azam is overrated, i won't pick him in top 10 t20 batsman.
Also for the detractors, Kl Rahul is at no.3 in this list, that explains a lot. In odis and tests i will pick Azam(As of now) but in t20s Rahul is atleast a level ahead.

 

[kingusama92]

I think the "team strength" angle is often mentioned when comparing these two.

For me, Virat Kohli is far ahead of Babar as a T20I batsman regardless of who bats around him.

He has a more well-rounded arsenal of shots, understands tempo better, and handles different game situations without a problem (i.e. chases).

Babar's innings against SA (3rd T20I) was a wonderful example of where he lacks. He managed 44, which is nice for his counting stats but got out slogging just as the chase became tight. This has happened quite a few times in both T20Is and ODIs showing an apparent weakness in slogging, managing tempo, and consistently doing well under pressure.

 

[Ab Fan]

If you score 30+ avg in T20 then SR becomes the most important factor.

Avg 30 & 150 SR >>>> Avg 60 & 120 SR.
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Last 10 years - top 8 teams - avg 30+ -- 1000+ runs
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If only Duminy had fans justifying how he is so much better than Virat!

or Poor Dhoni who got so much criticism for his T20 performance.

Honestly, at 5 or 6, you are not supposed to average that high especially with such <B>low strike rates</B>. That is selfish batting in my opinion. I would take a Pandya who will average 20 but strike them at 140+.

At top order, it is acceptable but nothing special because if ultimately you are not upping your strike rate like say, Virat does( his S/R is 138), then you are not helping the cause of your team much and just ensuring you get to 150-160 type totals.