Why is Babar Azam so far ahead of Virat Kohli in T20Is?

[Ab Fan]

While KL is unarguably more dynamic than babar, it has to be noted that a major chunk of Babar's innings have been played in the UAE on slow pitches where even Kohli struggled to score at a fast pace. Therefore the strike rate difference should be seen in that context.

Irrespective of the stats, T20 cricket is all about impact and mostly your performance in WT20 is what matters. Kohli has been ahead of Rahul and Babar both in that format as he has won two player of the series award already.

KL and Babar's T20 impact will be defined by their performance in WT20 while overall impact will be defined by their performance in Tests and ODIs.

 

[Mamoon]

People who are ignoring Kohli’s WT20 numbers in this thread are the same ones who use Kohli’s ODI World Cup numbers to downplay his status in ODI cricket.

The double-standards are laughable.

 

[Mamoon]

Babar does not make the world T20 XI but Kohli does.

Rohit
Rahul
Kohli
Morgan (c)
Stokes
Buttler (wk)

This would be my top 6. Buttler will be utilized as a floater - if no wickets falls in the first 10 overs, he will be pushed to number 3.

 

[Hasan123]

Who is even talking about psl here? I said Babar's performances against SENA teams are better so far.



This thread is about T20's... How do you want him to score centuries in T20's?

Both are similar type player in T20's. Babar might not continue at this rate but so far his performances are just too good in T20's.

I'm just on about Babar performances in general.

Kohli is a better accelerator than Babar. It's pretty clear to see.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Babar is an accumulator who doesn't have the 4th gear, nowhere near Kohli or even Rahul.
Actually i will pick all these batsman ahead of him
1.Kohli
2.Sharma
3.Rahul
4.Buttler
5.Warner
6.Devilliers

 

[saeed5646]

Babar is an accumulator who doesn't have the 4th gear, nowhere near Kohli or even Rahul.
Actually i will pick all these batsman ahead of him
1.Kohli
2.Sharma
3.Rahul
4.Buttler
5.Warner
6.Devilliers

Rahul in same league of butler,sharma,kohli warner,abd

 

[Mamoon]

Rahul in same league of butler,sharma,kohli warner,abd

Rahul is a devastating T20 player.

He recently outscored all these batsmen in IPL which is the highest level of T20 cricket in the game.

 

[zain7077]

Babar does not make the world T20 XI but Kohli does.

Rohit
Rahul
Kohli
Morgan (c)
Stokes
Buttler (wk)

This would be my top 6. Buttler will be utilized as a floater - if no wickets falls in the first 10 overs, he will be pushed to number 3.

I’m sorry but that’s a horrible and one dimensional line up apart from Kohli who’s no longer at his peak. Who would play a succesful innings on a low and slow wicket? Certainly no one in that line up

 

[Mamoon]

I’m sorry but that’s a horrible and one dimensional line up apart from Kohli who’s no longer at his peak. Who would play a succesful innings on a low and slow wicket? Certainly no one in that line up

The likes of Rohit and Kohli are highly skilled on slow and low wickets. The idea that Rohit is just a flat track player is outdated - he has played numerous good innings on sluggish wickets in the last few years.

Stokes is also versatile enough to adjust to slowish wickets. He has the ability and the temperament to grind.

Besides, 99% of the time, you will not get sluggish wickets in T20s unless you are playing specifically in the UAE, and we saw how KL Rahul batted in UAE in the recently concluded IPL.

He looked head and shoulders above any Pakistani batsman who has ever played ODI and T20 cricket on UAE pitches.

In a T20 lineup, you don’t need multiple dimensions - the above lineup will score 180+ pretty much every single time against any bowling attack.

Finally, any World XI is picked on the assumption that the players will be performing at their optimum level and constrains such as form, fitness, injuries etc. are not considered.

As far as Kohli is concerned, he still has plenty of juice left in the tank. Pretty much every great batsman was prolific between 32-35 and Kohli is no different. He is still super fit and his commitment and dedication is second to none.

It is usual for people to write him off and he responds every single time.

When he failed in England in 2014, we were told that his confidence was shattered and he will not recover from this. Few months later, he responded with 4 hundreds in 4 Tests in Australia.

He had a lean patch through 2015 and we were told that he has peaked too early and we have seen his best. He responded with one of the greatest batting peaks in history from 2016 to 2019.

Now people are writing him off again by saying that he is 32, he is distracted by his family live, he is losing hunger etc., but it will not be surprising at all if he proves people wrong again with one final peak run over the next 3-4 years.

Kohli is fierce competitor with a massive ego. Such athletes are bad losers and they cannot stomach criticism. They feed on doubters and people who challenge them.

 

[Mamoon]

While KL is unarguably more dynamic than babar, it has to be noted that a major chunk of Babar's innings have been played in the UAE on slow pitches where even Kohli struggled to score at a fast pace. Therefore the strike rate difference should be seen in that context.

Kohli did struggle because of the slowish UAE tracks but it compounded because of his poor form in general.

The way Rahul batted on those tracks against some world class bowling was amazing. He is insanely talented and a complete batsman.

He is also a brilliant Test player but he needs to go back to his basics that served him well from 2014-2017. Over the last couple of years, he lost his discipline and temperament in Test cricket.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Spot on and I probably should have worded it better.

Babar fans (including me!) should just wait for his career to unfold. I know Pakistani fans become uneasy that no one is noticing their superstar and others are hogging the limelight, but great players always get noticed.

It doesn't matter if there are a billion people on the other end of the argument.

A good example is Smith vs Kohli in Tests.

Those who appreciate Kohli's game can say whatever we like, but Smith is better in Tests and that's reality. The numbers and performances are in his favor to the point arguments don't need to be made at all.

Unfortunately for Babar, he is on the wrong end of this comparison in T20Is. Kohli is just better.

The next two T20 world cups will come in quick succession, so Babar will have more than enough time to prove himself on the biggest stage in the middle of his prime.

Definitely. Kohli’s WT20 stats are insane, insane though. I would like to see Babar match them but at this point to say he will is premature and maybe naive, especially with this Pakistan team.

If we want to compare Babar’s average in WT20 knockouts to Kohli’s, first Pakistan has to make the knockouts! I wouldn’t have my hopes too high in that regard

 

[saeed5646]

Rahul is a devastating T20 player.

He recently outscored all these batsmen in IPL which is the highest level of T20 cricket in the game.

With mighty strike rate of 129 so much devastating when compare it to butler,abd,warner

I read few article about his ipl captaincy and his selfish inning in few matches so not too sure who are you fooling here

 

[Mamoon]

With mighty strike rate of 129 so much devastating when compare it to butler,abd,warner

I read few article about his ipl captaincy and his selfish inning in few matches so not too sure who are you fooling here

Check his individual scores. The overall strike is low because of the innings where he failed. He showcased some brutal six hitting ability as well.

I don’t have to fool anyone. You are fooling yourself by dismissing his performance in the IPL this season.

He was the top scorer by 50+ runs in spite of playing less matches than most other batsmen.

He was the standout batsman of this season.

 

[Ab Fan]

With mighty strike rate of 129 so much devastating when compare it to butler,abd,warner

I read few article about his ipl captaincy and his selfish inning in few matches so not too sure who are you fooling here

Rahul's S/R was low in this season but that was not due to inability. In one of the games, he scored 132 off 60 odd balls which illustrates that he has devastating hitting ability as well. His international T20 S/R is 146.

 

[Adnanaddi]

Every single one of you need to read this, it's one brilliant piece
CricViz Analysis: Babar And Virat – One And The Other
19 February 2020
| Ben Jones
https://www.cricviz.com/cricviz-analysis-babar-and-virat-one-and-the-other-4
It will be an eye opener for Babar haters

 

[MHN1293]

Babar does not make the world T20 XI but Kohli does.

Rohit
Rahul
Kohli
Morgan (c)
Stokes
Buttler (wk)

This would be my top 6. Buttler will be utilized as a floater - if no wickets falls in the first 10 overs, he will be pushed to number 3.

Assuming kohli and morgan are there there is no needs of rohits captaincy then babar easily replaces rohit. If it was an xi going to compete in the world cup against all the top teams u cant rely on rohit. He has made a name for himself bashing ipl bowlers but in internationals he against sena teams and pakistan.(because back then they used to have a formidable attack) he averages a paltry 28. 1300 runs in 54 inning with just 8 50 plus scores at a sr of 138 isnt that good. Babar against top teams averages 56 at 138. Rohits world cup figures arent that inpressive either. He may fire in one or 2 games but do poorly in rest of the games

 

[Rana]

Babar does not make the world T20 XI but Kohli does.

Rohit
Rahul
Kohli
Morgan (c)
Stokes
Buttler (wk)

This would be my top 6. Buttler will be utilized as a floater - if no wickets falls in the first 10 overs, he will be pushed to number 3.

This is Mamoon’s world T20 XI. Not an accurate representation.

Thought I should add this on your behalf

 

[Rana]

In this current moment, Babar Azam is the best T20 batsman in the world. This includes International and franchise league cricket.

Kohli has achieved a lot more in the past and Babar should look to emulate, but Babar at this very moment and definitely this year is better than Kohli.

 

[Mamoon]

Assuming kohli and morgan are there there is no needs of rohits captaincy then babar easily replaces rohit. If it was an xi going to compete in the world cup against all the top teams u cant rely on rohit. He has made a name for himself bashing ipl bowlers but in internationals he against sena teams and pakistan.(because back then they used to have a formidable attack) he averages a paltry 28. 1300 runs in 54 inning with just 8 50 plus scores at a sr of 138 isnt that good. Babar against top teams averages 56 at 138. Rohits world cup figures arent that inpressive either. He may fire in one or 2 games but do poorly in rest of the games

Rohit is a Limited Overs cricket giant. He is a better white ball player than anyone Pakistan has produced and this includes Babar.

Anyone who picks Babar over Rohit in ODIs and T20I cannot be taken seriously and is not worthy of having a serious cricket discussion with.

Rohit can do what Babar can but few batsmen in history have the ability to switch gears like Rohit does.

 

[Mamoon]

This is Mamoon’s world T20 XI. Not an accurate representation.

Thought I should add this on your behalf

It is obvious isn’t it? It is not your team or my grandma’s. I don’t speak for other people.

Or perhaps I should start every single post with “in my opinion” to clear things up? Maybe I can do that.

 

[Rana]

It is obvious isn’t it? It is not your team or my grandma’s. I don’t speak for other people.

Or perhaps I should start every single post with “in my opinion” to clear things up? Maybe I can do that.

Well done for mentioning my deceased Grandmas in their grave

 

[Rana]

Well done for mentioning my deceased Grandmas in their grave

Misread your post

Well at least that clarifies that you do not speak for the world cricket community

 

[Mamoon]

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[MHN1293]

Rohit is a Limited Overs cricket giant. He is a better white ball player than anyone Pakistan has produced and this includes Babar.

Anyone who picks Babar over Rohit in ODIs and T20I cannot be taken seriously and is not worthy of having a serious cricket discussion with.

Rohit can do what Babar can but few batsmen in history have the ability to switch gears like Rohit does.

Ok then i would like to see rohit blast 10 50s in 22 innings against the top teams. If he does manages to do that which according to you is easy for him even though it hasnt happened yet, then after reaching 50 in atleast 5 of those innings he must accelearate and score 30,40 more runs of 15 to 20 balls. Until that happens the first part of your statement will remain incorrect. And i am not comparing any pak batsmen to rohit in odis this thread is about t20s.

 

[Rana]

Current World T20 XI


1. KL Rahul
2. Babar Azam
3. Marcus Stoinis
4. Kane Williamson
5. Eoin Morgan
6. Jos Butler (wk)
7. Ben Stokes
8. Ravi Jadeja
9. Jofra Archer
10. Jasprit Bumrah
11. Yuzvendra Chahal

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Every single one of you need to read this, it's one brilliant piece
CricViz Analysis: Babar And Virat – One And The Other
19 February 2020
| Ben Jones
https://www.cricviz.com/cricviz-analysis-babar-and-virat-one-and-the-other-4
It will be an eye opener for Babar haters

Thank you for bringing a beautifully written, quantitatively-backed article into this thread. Such a pleasure to read.

These stats give far more insight than quoting of averages and strike rates. Wow!

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Rohit is a Limited Overs cricket giant. He is a better white ball player than anyone Pakistan has produced and this includes Babar.

Anyone who picks Babar over Rohit in ODIs and T20I cannot be taken seriously and is not worthy of having a serious cricket discussion with.

Rohit can do what Babar can but few batsmen in history have the ability to switch gears like Rohit does.

I’ll take Saeed Anwar over Rohit any day. And I have mad respect for Hitman.

 

[JattMaula]

Current World T20 XI


1. KL Rahul
2. Babar Azam
3. Marcus Stoinis
4. Kane Williamson
5. Eoin Morgan
6. Jos Butler (wk)
7. Ben Stokes
8. Ravi Jadeja
9. Jofra Archer
10. Jasprit Bumrah
11. Yuzvendra Chahal

Why jaddu? Rashid is better t20 player.

 

[Rana]

Why jaddu? Rashid is better t20 player.

Good point.

I think the premier leg spinner should go to Chahal over Rashid Khan, and I would go with the left arm spin option, plus batting capability and electric fielding of Jadeja.

Jadeja is the more complete all-rounder, Rashid’s batting is very ordinary

 

[JattMaula]

Good point.

I think the premier leg spinner should go to Chahal over Rashid Khan, and I would go with the left arm spin option, plus batting capability and electric fielding of Jadeja.

Jadeja is the more complete all-rounder, Rashid’s batting is very ordinary

Who needs batting at 8 in this team? And Rashid is also very very good fielder.

Your team has 8 overs of jaddu, stoinis and stokes. That is recipe for disaster. Jaddu and Stokes are not t20 bowler outside their preferred conditions and while the stoin is smart bowler you can't bank on him.

 

[Rana]

Who needs batting at 8 in this team? And Rashid is also very very good fielder.

Your team has 8 overs of jaddu, stoinis and stokes. That is recipe for disaster. Jaddu and Stokes are not t20 bowler outside their preferred conditions and while the stoin is smart bowler you can't bank on him.

1. KL Rahul (wk)
2. Babar Azam
3. Marcus Stoinis
4. Kane Williamson
5. Eoin Morgan
6. Ben Stokes
7. Jason Holder
8. Adil Rashid
9. Jofra Archer
10. Jasprit Bumrah
11. Yuzendra Chahal

How are these tweeks? Dropped Butler for KL to keep. Added Rashid as the 4 overs and electric energy in the field. Plus I added the extra fast bowler in Holder, he can also bat very well.

Besides this, the purpose of the post is just to argue that in the current circumstances, it looks highly unlikely to slot in Kohli and Rohit given their recent performances and current form. I honestly was not impressed with Kohli near the end of the IPL, there were Indian players in Mumbai Indians and SRH who looked more comfortable than he does with the bat in hand right now.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

1. KL Rahul (wk)
2. Babar Azam
3. Marcus Stoinis
4. Kane Williamson
5. Eoin Morgan
6. Ben Stokes
7. Jason Holder
8. Adil Rashid
9. Jofra Archer
10. Jasprit Bumrah
11. Yuzendra Chahal

How are these tweeks? Dropped Butler for KL to keep. Added Rashid as the 4 overs and electric energy in the field. Plus I added the extra fast bowler in Holder, he can also bat very well.

Besides this, the purpose of the post is just to argue that in the current circumstances, it looks highly unlikely to slot in Kohli and Rohit given their recent performances and current form. I honestly was not impressed with Kohli near the end of the IPL, there were Indian players in Mumbai Indians and SRH who looked more comfortable than he does with the bat in hand right now.

Adil Rashid? You’re kidding, he’s deeply mediocre

 

[Rana]

Adil Rashid? You’re kidding, he’s deeply mediocre

Yar sorry.

I meant Rashid Khan. Not having a great day with Autotype

 

[Rana]

1. KL Rahul (wk)
2. Babar Azam
3. Marcus Stoinis
4. Kane Williamson
5. Eoin Morgan
6. Ben Stokes
7. Jason Holder
8. Rashid Khan
9. Jofra Archer
10. Jasprit Bumrah
11. Yuzendra Chahal

 

[Mamoon]

I’ll take Saeed Anwar over Rohit any day. And I have mad respect for Hitman.

I love Saeed Anwar but he is nowhere near Rohit as a white ball opener.

 

[Mamoon]

Ok then i would like to see rohit blast 10 50s in 22 innings against the top teams. If he does manages to do that which according to you is easy for him even though it hasnt happened yet, then after reaching 50 in atleast 5 of those innings he must accelearate and score 30,40 more runs of 15 to 20 balls. Until that happens the first part of your statement will remain incorrect. And i am not comparing any pak batsmen to rohit in odis this thread is about t20s.

Babar played too many soft T20 matches in a short period of time which allowed him to boost his stats.

He is a fine T20 player but there are better players than him and Rohit is one of them.

Play Rohit and Babar in the same team against the same opposition and Rohit will outperform him more often than not.

All this talk of Babar being the best T20 batsman on current form needs some perspective.

If Babar would have played for India, Australia and England, he would not be able to score so many runs because he would batting behind Rohit, Rahul, Kohli, Warner, Finch, Roy, Bairstow, Buttler etc.

Babar is a top batsman but our fans lose their marbles because he is the only proper, all-format batsman we have produced since Yousuf who made his debut in the late 90’s.

If Babar was in India his reputation wouldn’t be any greater than someone like Iyer’s at this point, and if Iyer was in Pakistan he would be our main superstar alongside Babar today.

 

[Mesozoic]

Kohli rested himself from bulk of the bilateral T20s in the 2017- pre 2019 WC period.

It's really hard to believe that a guy who won two consecutive player of the tournament's at the WT20 is behind anyone in world cricket...let alone Babar azam who has zero note worthy knocks in this format.

 

[Rajdeep]

Rahul in same league of butler,sharma,kohli warner,abd

Actually Rahul is better T20 batsman than Butler, Sharma, Warner etc.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

My World T20 XI for 2020

1. David Warner
2. KL Rahul (wk)
3. Babar Azam
4. Eoin Morgan (c)
5. AB de Villiers
6. Andre Russel
7. Kieron Pollard
8. Jofra Archer
9. Rashid Khan
10. Shaheen Afridi
11. Jasprit Bumrah

 

[Thunderbolt14]

My World T20 XI for 2020

1. David Warner
2. KL Rahul (wk)
3. Babar Azam
4. Eoin Morgan (c)
5. AB de Villiers
6. Andre Russel
7. Kieron Pollard
8. Jofra Archer
9. Rashid Khan
10. Shaheen Afridi
11. Jasprit Bumrah

[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] thoughts?

Virat Kohli I was seriously considering instead of Babar but Bobby makes it on current form. Also Rohit instead of Warner, very marginal call.

 

[Mamoon]

It is futile to compare a Pakistani batsman to his Indian counterpart because there is a galaxy of difference between the two countries in terms of batting standards and expectations.

India has a cut-throat, almost brutal environment for batsmen.

Karun Nair scored a triple-hundred against England in only his second Test and 4 Tests later, his career is over.

On the contrary, if a young Pakistani batsman scores a triple hundred against England in only his second Test, he will do bhangra over that performance for the rest of his career and will be able to milk that performance and get selected for years.

Karun Nair is most probably a better Test batsman than Azhar, Shafiq, Haris etc.

Rohit was never able to sustain a permanent place in the middle-order in Tests while averaging 40-41. In Pakistan, Shafiq ended up with 77 Tests while hovering in the range of 39-42.

India would have thrown out players like Azhar, Shafiq etc. out after 10 Tests but they have ended up as captains and senior players in Pakistan.

Babar is a top player. There is no doubt about it. However, his status is higher than it would be if he want playing for a country like Pakistan that has a nothing batting legacy and a joke of a batting culture.

Our best Test batsman ever would barely make the reserves of the all-time Test team and our highest ever ODI centurion has only 20 hundreds.

Producing batsmen like Babar is no big deal for India. They produce 3-4 players like him every generation including a couple who are better than him. However, Pakistan will probably have to wait for another two decades to produce someone of his caliber.

 

[zain7077]

It is futile to compare a Pakistani batsman to his Indian counterpart because there is a galaxy of difference between the two countries in terms of batting standards and expectations.

India has a cut-throat, almost brutal environment for batsmen.

Karun Nair scored a triple-hundred against England in only his second Test and 4 Tests later, his career is over.

On the contrary, if a young Pakistani batsman scores a triple hundred against England in only his second Test, he will do bhangra over that performance for the rest of his career and will be able to milk that performance and get selected for years.

Karun Nair is most probably a better Test batsman than Azhar, Shafiq, Haris etc.

Rohit was never able to sustain a permanent place in the middle-order in Tests while averaging 40-41. In Pakistan, Shafiq ended up with 77 Tests while hovering in the range of 39-42.

India would have thrown out players like Azhar, Shafiq etc. out after 10 Tests but they have ended up as captains and senior players in Pakistan.

Babar is a top player. There is no doubt about it. However, his status is higher than it would be if he want playing for a country like Pakistan that has a nothing batting legacy and a joke of a batting culture.

Our best Test batsman ever would barely make the reserves of the all-time Test team and our highest ever ODI centurion has only 20 hundreds.

Producing batsmen like Babar is no big deal for India. They produce 3-4 players like him every generation including a couple who are better than him. However, Pakistan will probably have to wait for another two decades to produce someone of his caliber.

Ridiculous to claim that we don’t have a batting legacy. We’ve produced some of the finest batsmen to have played the game.

 

[Mesozoic]

On current form this is the T20 World 11


KL Rahul wk
Babar Azam
Wesley Madhvere
Mohammed Hafeez 3.0
Dawid Malan
Marcus Stoinis
Imad Wasim
Rashid khan
Archer
Chahal
Wahab Riaz

 

[Mobashir]

Babar does not make the world T20 XI but Kohli does.

Rohit
Rahul
Kohli
Morgan (c)
Stokes
Buttler (wk)

This would be my top 6. Buttler will be utilized as a floater - if no wickets falls in the first 10 overs, he will be pushed to number 3.

That's a joke. Babar is well in front of Rahul and Rohit.
They are not even in the same league.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

On current form this is the T20 World 11


KL Rahul wk
Babar Azam
Wesley Madhvere
Mohammed Hafeez 3.0
Dawid Malan
Marcus Stoinis
Imad Wasim
Rashid khan
Archer
Chahal
Wahab Riaz

I appreciate that you added some legit names in there to make the troll post more realistic

What do you think of the XI I posted above?

 

[Rana]

[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] thoughts?

Virat Kohli I was seriously considering instead of Babar but Bobby makes it on current form. Also Rohit instead of Warner, very marginal call.

Solid XI

I think you have gone by World T20 XI instead of World T20i XI. I went with the T20i XI and that’s why I did not select AB, Pollard and Russell. Reason being AB is not an active international player (he should be), and I have question marks over Russell and Pollard doing the same at the highest level as they do for their franchises in the IPL. In international cricket they are likely to face the cream of each country’s bowling attack whereas in T20 cricket they can target some decent domestic bowlers to get a momentum going in their batting.

Warner was a tough one to drop to be honest. But in terms of consistency as openers, it has to be said that KL and Babar look more intent of staying in and playing until the 11th-13th over of the innings. I always get the sense that Warner will be back in the pavilion before the 10th over one way or another, but he can and should inflict enough damage.

In relation to Shaheen Afridi, I think it is too early for him to be included in any world XIs, but he would still be a starter in every IPL XI as an overseas fast bowler. If you are going to pick a left arm seamer, it is safer to pick Trent Boult who is still a superior bowler to him in all formats. But if you want him to pay as the ‘emerging player’ category, by all means this would be a great pick.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Solid XI

I think you have gone by World T20 XI instead of World T20i XI. I went with the T20i XI and that’s why I did not select AB, Pollard and Russell. Reason being AB is not an active international player (he should be), and I have question marks over Russell and Pollard doing the same at the highest level as they do for their franchises in the IPL. In international cricket they are likely to face the cream of each country’s bowling attack whereas in T20 cricket they can target some decent domestic bowlers to get a momentum going in their batting.

Warner was a tough one to drop to be honest. But in terms of consistency as openers, it has to be said that KL and Babar look more intent of staying in and playing until the 11th-13th over of the innings. I always get the sense that Warner will be back in the pavilion before the 10th over one way or another, but he can and should inflict enough damage.

In relation to Shaheen Afridi, I think it is too early for him to be included in any world XIs, but he would still be a starter in every IPL XI as an overseas fast bowler. If you are going to pick a left arm seamer, it is safer to pick Trent Boult who is still a superior bowler to him in all formats. But if you want him to pay as the ‘emerging player’ category, by all means this would be a great pick.

Definitely world T20 XI, not international as we’ve barely had international cricket this year. I feel Shaheen was a little bit of a biased call that I rationalized with him being the number 1 highest wicket taker in T20s this year. On second thoughts, I will replace him with Rabada or a spinner, Yuzvendra.

 

[Mobashir]

Rahul is a devastating T20 player.

He recently outscored all these batsmen in IPL which is the highest level of T20 cricket in the game.

If you base your teams and Best players on IPL, fine.
But then explain how you put Sharma over Warner?
Sharma IPL stats : Average 31, SR 130
Warner IPL stats : Average 42, SR 141.

Warner has more runs in 53 less innings at largely better rate and it is played on indian wickets.


How do you take Kohli over ABDV?
Kohli IPL stats : Average 38, SR 130
ABDV IPL stats: Average 42, SR 152.


There is no more biased poster than you.

Note : Both Rohit and Kohli's IPL career SR with nearly 200 hundreds games is the same that the one Babar is criticized for.

 

[MHN1293]

On current form this is the T20 World 11


KL Rahul wk
Babar Azam
Wesley Madhvere
Mohammed Hafeez 3.0
Dawid Malan
Marcus Stoinis
Imad Wasim
Rashid khan
Archer
Chahal
Wahab Riaz

I would take bumrah over wahab anyday, and has madhevere played enough matches to be considered in form .

 

[Thunderbolt14]

(Updated) My World T20 XI for 2020

1. David Warner
2. KL Rahul (wk)
3. Babar Azam
4. Eoin Morgan (c)
5. AB de Villiers
6. Andre Russel
7. Kieron Pollard
8. Jofra Archer
9. Rashid Khan
10. Jasprit Bumrah
11. Yuzvendra Chahal

 

[Mamoon]

Ridiculous to claim that we don’t have a batting legacy. We’ve produced some of the finest batsmen to have played the game.

Other countries have produced far greater batsmen than we have. Our best ever batsmen are clearly inferior to the best ever batsmen from other countries.

 

[Mobashir]

Rohit is a Limited Overs cricket giant. He is a better white ball player than anyone Pakistan has produced and this includes Babar.

Anyone who picks Babar over Rohit in ODIs and T20I cannot be taken seriously and is not worthy of having a serious cricket discussion with.

Rohit can do what Babar can but few batsmen in history have the ability to switch gears like Rohit does.

No Rohit can't do what Babar does. He actually is probably the slowest power play opener ever (from the very good ones). So every time he doesn't play on of his special innings, he hurts his side with the slow starts.
Rohit is not an as good player as Babar in any format and will never be.

Even in T20's, his overall IPL SR of 130 shows how much you overrate his hitting capabilities. Compare that to other attacking openers and he is 15/20 SR points below.

 

[Mamoon]

If you base your teams and Best players on IPL, fine.
But then explain how you put Sharma over Warner?
Sharma IPL stats : Average 31, SR 130
Warner IPL stats : Average 42, SR 141.

Warner has more runs in 53 less innings at largely better rate and it is played on indian wickets.


How do you take Kohli over ABDV?
Kohli IPL stats : Average 38, SR 130
ABDV IPL stats: Average 42, SR 152.


There is no more biased poster than you.

Note : Both Rohit and Kohli's IPL career SR with nearly 200 hundreds games is the same that the one Babar is criticized for.

I consider IPL and international performances. I also don’t like to distinguish between T20Is and ODIs. For me a really good T20 player will also be a really good ODI player and vice-versa.

My world ODI and T20 XI will actually look quite identical give and take 1-2 players. For example, I would go for Roy, Bairstow or QdK over Rahul in the ODI XI.

Rohit vs Warner was very tough for me until 2018 but Rohit has raced ahead in the last two years. Warner doesn’t look to be the same player after the ban.

Kohli is better than de Villiers in all formats.

 

[Mobashir]

Babar is an accumulator who doesn't have the 4th gear, nowhere near Kohli or even Rahul.
Actually i will pick all these batsman ahead of him
1.Kohli
2.Sharma
3.Rahul
4.Buttler
5.Warner
6.Devilliers

And Kohli has this 4th gear? Strangely he didn't use it in the 2019 world cup everytime he was needed to hit it.

Kohli as a hitter is no way near the likes of Sharma, Warner, Buttler and many others.
ABDV is in his own class.

 

[MHN1293]

If you base your teams and Best players on IPL, fine.
But then explain how you put Sharma over Warner?
Sharma IPL stats : Average 31, SR 130
Warner IPL stats : Average 42, SR 141.

Warner has more runs in 53 less innings at largely better rate and it is played on indian wickets.


How do you take Kohli over ABDV?
Kohli IPL stats : Average 38, SR 130
ABDV IPL stats: Average 42, SR 152.


There is no more biased poster than you.

Note : Both Rohit and Kohli's IPL career SR with nearly 200 hundreds games is the same that the one Babar is criticized for.

But .. but.. rohit can produslce a knock only few batsmen in history can once every 30 innings which will justify his failures in last 20 or so innings.

 

[Mamoon]

No Rohit can't do what Babar does. He actually is probably the slowest power play opener ever (from the very good ones). So every time he doesn't play on of his special innings, he hurts his side with the slow starts.
Rohit is not an as good player as Babar in any format and will never be.

Even in T20's, his overall IPL SR of 130 shows how much you overrate his hitting capabilities. Compare that to other attacking openers and he is 15/20 SR points below.

Rohit’s insane ability to switch gears makes up for his tendency to start slowly in PP overs. He rivals Tendulkar as the greatest ODI opener ever.

A truly gigantic Limited Overs cricketer.

 

[Mobashir]

I consider IPL and international performances. I also don’t like to distinguish between T20Is and ODIs. For me a really good T20 player will also be a really good ODI player and vice-versa.

My world ODI and T20 XI will actually look quite identical give and take 1-2 players. For example, I would go for Roy, Bairstow or QdK over Rahul in the ODI XI.

Rohit vs Warner was very tough for me until 2018 but Rohit has raced ahead in the last two years. Warner doesn’t look to be the same player after the ban.

Kohli is better than de Villiers in all formats.

Haha, so now that you run out of arguments as it is clear that Kohli and Sharma are way inferior IPL players that Warner ABDV, you make one ODI-T20 team.

Let go your bias and face the reality. You overrate these indian players.

 

[Mamoon]

Haha, so now that you run out of arguments as it is clear that Kohli and Sharma are way inferior IPL players that Warner ABDV, you make one ODI-T20 team.

Let go your bias and face the reality. You overrate these indian players.

If we only consider IPL than Warner and de Villiers can be considered better than Kohli and Rohit.

If we consider ODIs-T20Is and IPL than Kohli and Rohit are better.

Kohli is the best Limited Overs batsman of his generation and Rohit is the best Limited Overs opener of his generation. That is the reality that you need to face.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

If we only consider IPL than Warner and de Villiers can be considered better than Kohli and Rohit.

If we consider ODIs-T20Is and IPL than Kohli and Rohit are better.

Kohli is the best Limited Overs batsman of his generation and Rohit is the best Limited Overs opener of his generation. That is the reality that you need to face.

Absolutely, in ODI cricket.

In T20s too.

But on current form neither makes a “2020 Dream XI” - even most IPL dream teams for this year agree with this.

 

[Mesozoic]

Rohit and Rahul have 6 T20I hundreds between them. Babar has zero.

They have higher strike rates too. And they haven't played too many games against Jason mohammed's windies, World (pension) XI and the scotlands and zimbabwes....

No one will pick a babar azam ahead of them unless they need a solidifier at no.3 in a team filled with either bashers (like England) or duds (like pakistan).

 

[Rajdeep]

And Kohli has this 4th gear? Strangely he didn't use it in the 2019 world cup everytime he was needed to hit it.

Kohli as a hitter is no way near the likes of Sharma, Warner, Buttler and many others.
ABDV is in his own class.

You are using 2019 world cup reference when Kohli had perhaps passed his peak. Its like picking Waqar's performance of 1999 WC and saying Debashis Mohanty outperformed him. Kohli was a beast in t20s between 2012-2017 and from 2018 he started picking & choosing games. He definitely had 4th gear during his peak years. Check the match against Australia in 2016 WC in Mohali. 4th gear does not necessarily means just hitting big sixes....even calculative stroke play can be termed as 4th gear.

 

[saeed5646]

Actually Rahul is better T20 batsman than Butler, Sharma, Warner etc.

There is no cure for being delusional

 

[Mamoon]

Absolutely, in ODI cricket.

In T20s too.

But on current form neither makes a “2020 Dream XI” - even most IPL dream teams for this year agree with this.

“Current form” is too arbitrary because there cannot be a unanimous agreement on what “current form” is.

When does its period start? Today, yesterday, last week, two weeks, a month, 3 months, a year?

People are basically going to choose their own time frames to justify the inclusion of the players that they really want to include.

Team of IPL 2020 would be more specific. I agree, and neither Kohli nor Rohit merit a place in the IPL 2020 team.

 

[Mesozoic]

No Rohit can't do what Babar does. He actually is probably the slowest power play opener ever (from the very good ones). So every time he doesn't play on of his special innings, he hurts his side with the slow starts.
Rohit is not an as good player as Babar in any format and will never be.

Even in T20's, his overall IPL SR of 130 shows how much you overrate his hitting capabilities. Compare that to other attacking openers and he is 15/20 SR points below.

I've noticed your habit of giving all these blanket statements with no factual back up and when confronted with stats and actual reasoning, you go AWOL.

You did the same before with "Babar played as well as kohli in south africa" and "Babar just bats better in England" .....

 

[zain7077]

Other countries have produced far greater batsmen than we have. Our best ever batsmen are clearly inferior to the best ever batsmen from other countries.

Not England!

 

[Mobashir]

If we only consider IPL than Warner and de Villiers can be considered better than Kohli and Rohit.

If we consider ODIs-T20Is and IPL than Kohli and Rohit are better.

Kohli is the best Limited Overs batsman of his generation and Rohit is the best Limited Overs opener of his generation. That is the reality that you need to face.

It's easy to divert things by bringing in ODI's, T20I's, IPL, then you will say that was a crucial match, that wasn't etc.

So far, your bias is very clear. You can't say that Sharma and Kohli aren't in the league of Warner and ABDV respectively in IPL.

This thread is about T20's, if you want to compare overall LO batting maybe in another thread.

Rohit as played 6 T20 world cups and is yet to not only to impact a world cup, but even a match.

He has to be the most overrated T20 cricketer in the world to be mentioned here.
No IPL records, no great international records. Nothing going for him.

 

[Mobashir]

I've noticed your habit of giving all these blanket statements with no factual back up and when confronted with stats and actual reasoning, you go AWOL.

You did the same before with "Babar played as well as kohli in south africa" and "Babar just bats better in England" .....

Rohit averages 31 in IPL with a SR of 130, compare it to other very good players and you have your answer.

 

[Mobashir]

You are using 2019 world cup reference when Kohli had perhaps passed his peak. Its like picking Waqar's performance of 1999 WC and saying Debashis Mohanty outperformed him. Kohli was a beast in t20s between 2012-2017 and from 2018 he started picking & choosing games. He definitely had 4th gear during his peak years. Check the match against Australia in 2016 WC in Mohali. 4th gear does not necessarily means just hitting big sixes....even calculative stroke play can be termed as 4th gear.

Kohli can accelerate as many other batsman does. But he is no Buttler, ABDV and others.
That game with the epic battle vs Faulkner? Loved it!
Only a champion player will come on top of mighty Faulkner.

 

[Rajdeep]

There is no cure for being delusional

Have you seen Lokesh Rahul bat in last NZ tour or the recent IPL? Think you are just going by big names and not actual performance. Do you honestly think Warner/Butler/Rohit etc. are a better T20 bat than Rahul based on current form? I was listening to Nasser Hussain the other day on SKY sports and even he thinks Rahul is the best T20 batsman in the world currently. Follow some actual cricket brother and not just stats from cricinfo.

 

[Mesozoic]

Rohit as played 6 T20 world cups and is yet to not only to impact a world cup, but even a match.

Another ignorant comment. You are making this too hard for yourselves...

If not for Rohit's 50 against SAF in the 2007 edition, we would have been out of the tournament.

Also scored 2 50s against defending champs WI and Bangladeshi in the 2014 edition.

You should just stop.

 

[Rajdeep]

Kohli can accelerate as many other batsman does. But he is no Buttler, ABDV and others.
That game with the epic battle vs Faulkner? Loved it!
Only a champion player will come on top of mighty Faulkner.

Yes the same Faulker who took 5 wickets against Pakistan just the game before. Champion players indeed

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...26th-match-super-10-group-2-world-t20-2015-16

 

[Mobashir]

Have you seen Lokesh Rahul bat in last NZ tour or the recent IPL? Think you are just going by big names and not actual performance. Do you honestly think Warner/Butler/Rohit etc. are a better T20 bat than Rahul based on current form? I was listening to Nasser Hussain the other day on SKY sports and even he thinks Rahul is the best T20 batsman in the world currently. Follow some actual cricket brother and not just stats from cricinfo.

Kl Rahul has done superbly in domestic and international T20 cricket.

 

[Mesozoic]

Kohli can accelerate as many other batsman does. But he is no Buttler, ABDV and others.
That game with the epic battle vs Faulkner? Loved it!
Only a champion player will come on top of mighty Faulkner.

Jeez.....the salt.

That mighty faulkner was player of the match in the world cup final a year before.

I repeat.... Just stop.

 

[Mesozoic]

Yes the same Faulker who took 5 wickets against Pakistan just the game before. Champion players indeed

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...26th-match-super-10-group-2-world-t20-2015-16

Ever heard of bhains ke aage been bajana.....

 

[Mobashir]

Another ignorant comment. You are making this too hard for yourselves...

If not for Rohit's 50 against SAF in the 2007 edition, we would have been out of the tournament.

Also scored 2 50s against defending champs WI and Bangladeshi in the 2014 edition.

You should just stop.

And you think I didn't knew? This is what you have to show for 6 world cups for the giant t20 cricket Sharma is?
I repeat myself. Sharma's batting has nothing special in World cup T20's, nor IPL.
He is way behind many players.

 

[Mobashir]

Jeez.....the salt.

That mighty faulkner was player of the match in the world cup final a year before.

I repeat.... Just stop.

That doesn't change the fact that Faulkner was an average, cricketer and very ordinary bowler.

 

[Mesozoic]

And you think I didn't knew? This is what you have to show for 6 world cups for the giant t20 cricket Sharma is?
I repeat myself. Sharma's batting has nothing special in World cup T20's, nor IPL.
He is way behind many players.

Oh what happened to the "he couldn't impact a single wt20 game " ?

Another blanket statement like most of yours?

 

[Mesozoic]

That doesn't change the fact that Faulkner was an average, cricketer and very ordinary bowler.

Sure

 

[MHN1293]

Rohit and Rahul have 6 T20I hundreds between them. Babar has zero.

They have higher strike rates too. And they haven't played too many games against Jason mohammed's windies, World (pension) XI and the scotlands and zimbabwes....

No one will pick a babar azam ahead of them unless they need a solidifier at no.3 in a team filled with either bashers (like England) or duds (like pakistan).

U guys seem to overrate players just on their ability and not on actual preformance. Rohit can be a world beater in t20s. He has the ability to strike devastating hundreds and produce once in a while knocks but he hasnt shown himself to be consistent enough in that format. I would have gladly appreciated him as one of the best t20 batsmen if he still maintained that 32 average at about 140 145 overall strike rate but he strikes at 135 so most of the time u are gonna expect slow 20s and 30s harming the team. Compare that to gayle he has an impressive average while striking at 145 plus .

 

[JattMaula]

@everyone

There are t20 wcs coming back to back! Almost all top players will play in 2 distinct conditions against each other at full intensity. Godwilling all of us will be alive to watch them.

And then truth will set us all free.