Why is Pakistan not doing enough to highlight the brutal torture of Muslims by China?

[gkb101277867]

After doing a bit more research on this I am in shock that pakistan who always speaks up against muslim persecution whether it's in India (especially IOK) or in gaza etc chooses to remain largely silent.

It's absolutely horrific what china is doing and the methods they are using.

Where are the protests in Pakistan? Where are the crowds burning Chinese flags? Where are the pakistani leaders condemning this at international forums?

 

[Pakistanian]

I think Pakistan should support our Uighur and Kashmiri brothers for freedom. China is copying India, although not as bad as India.

 

[Kroll]

It's quite obvious isn't it? Also, I don't think they are being tortured, some probably might but not all.

 

[Buffet]

The same reason India is not highlighting Jamal Khashoggi issue.

Even US is using it for keeping oil prices down.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

After doing a bit more research on this I am in shock that pakistan who always speaks up against muslim persecution whether it's in India (especially IOK) or in gaza etc chooses to remain largely silent.

It's absolutely horrific what china is doing and the methods they are using.

Where are the protests in Pakistan? Where are the crowds burning Chinese flags? Where are the pakistani leaders condemning this at international forums?

You're funny. It's called geopolitics, it trumps religion.

 

[hafeezrocks]

India is an enemy country and playing the India boogeyman card helps the Army to tighten it's grip on Pakistan whereas China is an ally, portraying China as an enemy will bear no advantage to the Army as it's not in a war with Pakistan and also it will be harmful to the economy as important projects like CPEC will be affected.

 

[Buffet]

India is an enemy country and playing the India boogeyman card helps the Army to tighten it's grip on Pakistan whereas China is an ally, portraying China as an enemy will bear no advantage to the Army as it's not in a war with Pakistan and also it will be harmful to the economy as important projects like CPEC will be affected.

Summed it up very well.

 

[sjahmed23]

Muslims in Pakistan are living far worse than in those places.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There is no need for Pakistanis to highlight China's oppression of it's Muslim population as our Indian members regularly bring our attention to it, may Allah reward them for their efforts on behalf of the Muslim ummah.

 

[Greenstorm]

Ideally we should but poor economic situation makes it difficult for us to make enemies out of allies. Still Imran Khan should have talked regarding this with Xi. Who knows, maybe he did.

 

[Lonewarrior]

After doing a bit more research on this I am in shock that pakistan who always speaks up against muslim persecution whether it's in India (especially IOK) or in gaza etc chooses to remain largely silent.

It's absolutely horrific what china is doing and the methods they are using.

Where are the protests in Pakistan? Where are the crowds burning Chinese flags? Where are the pakistani leaders condemning this at international forums?

UN Report On Kashmir

https://nation.com.pk/15-Jun-2018/un-report-on-kashmir

solve this first. thn we can talk.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Because its not a Muslim issue but a separatist issue.

 

[gkb101277867]

UN Report On Kashmir

https://nation.com.pk/15-Jun-2018/un-report-on-kashmir

solve this first. thn we can talk.

Ehh?

 

[gkb101277867]

Because its not a Muslim issue but a separatist issue.

Why are they putting Muslims into concentration camps and forcing them to denounce their Islamic beliefs then? Telling them to chant that Islam is a lie, forcing them to eat pork etc on top of torturing them? In fact the camps are being called "re-education" camps. Why are their children being taken from them and taught that Islam is evil?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Why are they putting Muslims into concentration camps and forcing them to denounce their Islamic beliefs then? Telling them to chant that Islam is a lie, forcing them to eat pork etc on top of torturing them? In fact the camps are being called "re-education" camps. Why are their children being taken from them and taught that Islam is evil?

Have you visited these camps?

China is a communist nation which doesn't tolerate any type of separatist ideas of its land breaking away. Look at Tibet.

 

[Sirris]

It's due to a conflict of interests. It's pure hypocrisy and there is no denying it.

 

[shaz619]

Ignoring the Indians who love to point score even at the expense of human life (hardly shocking) it's simple, if the chinese muslims were arab muslims then Pakistani's would be a lot more vocal. I don't have an issue if we protest tragedies all around the world, but why should this be any different; the racism, selective outrage, inferior complex and hypocricies are all sickening

 

[blackanhyellow]

Ignoring the Indians who love to point score even at the expense of human life (hardly shocking) it's simple, if the chinese muslims were arab muslims then Pakistani's would be a lot more vocal. I don't have an issue if we protest tragedies all around the world, but why should this be any different; the racism, selective outrage, inferior complex and hypocricies are all sickening

Pakistan has raised Rohingya issue. Are Rohingyas arabs?

Pakistan has raised Kashmiri issue. Are Kashmiris arabs?

I can go on, with issues raised by Pakistan for non-arabs.

The only reason why Pakistan is not speaking about the Chinese muslims is because of the relationship between Pakistan and China.

China is not only investing billions in Pakistan, it is Pakistan's most reliable ally. It has on several occasions shown its willingness to use its veto powers in the UN to help Pakistan.

Not saying its morally right staying silent on this issue, just saying it is a geopolitical component as to why Pakistan is not raising this issue.

I dont know why people are trying to make this issue into a racist one or anything to do with inferiority complexes.

Same reason why United States cries foul over the human rights issues in Iran while being Saudi Arabia's biggest ally even though Saudi Arabia is probably worse in terms of human rights. Its because of politics and global alliances.

 

[blackanhyellow]

It's due to a conflict of interests. It's pure hypocrisy and there is no denying it.

Its statecraft.

No country in the world runs purely on the basis of principle.

Pakistan does what it can for the muslim world, but can't sacrifice its own national interests at the same time.

Its a balancing act.

But its so simple and black and white to some people for some reason .

 

[PakLFC]

For the same reason that other Muslim countries don't do anything. We have to get out this thinking of being the captain of Muslim countries. This attitude has only given us misery over the years nothing else. No other Muslim country or community has ever spoken for or supported us that we should do for them. We've got enough on our plate for the next 20 years.

 

[James]

India is an enemy country and playing the India boogeyman card helps the Army to tighten it's grip on Pakistan whereas China is an ally, portraying China as an enemy will bear no advantage to the Army as it's not in a war with Pakistan and also it will be harmful to the economy as important projects like CPEC will be affected.

You’re absolutely correct.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

pakistan has raised rohingya issue. Are rohingyas arabs?

Pakistan has raised kashmiri issue. Are kashmiris arabs?

I can go on, with issues raised by pakistan for non-arabs.

The only reason why pakistan is not speaking about the chinese muslims is because of the relationship between pakistan and china.

China is not only investing billions in pakistan, it is pakistan's most reliable ally. It has on several occasions shown its willingness to use its veto powers in the un to help pakistan.

Not saying its morally right staying silent on this issue, just saying it is a geopolitical component as to why pakistan is not raising this issue.

I dont know why people are trying to make this issue into a racist one or anything to do with inferiority complexes.

Same reason why united states cries foul over the human rights issues in iran while being saudi arabia's biggest ally even though saudi arabia is probably worse in terms of human rights. Its because of politics and global alliances.

potw.

 

[shaz619]

Pakistan has raised Rohingya issue. Are Rohingyas arabs?

Pakistan has raised Kashmiri issue. Are Kashmiris arabs?

I can go on, with issues raised by Pakistan for non-arabs.

The only reason why Pakistan is not speaking about the Chinese muslims is because of the relationship between Pakistan and China.

China is not only investing billions in Pakistan, it is Pakistan's most reliable ally. It has on several occasions shown its willingness to use its veto powers in the UN to help Pakistan.

Not saying its morally right staying silent on this issue, just saying it is a geopolitical component as to why Pakistan is not raising this issue.

I dont know why people are trying to make this issue into a racist one or anything to do with inferiority complexes.

Same reason why United States cries foul over the human rights issues in Iran while being Saudi Arabia's biggest ally even though Saudi Arabia is probably worse in terms of human rights. Its because of politics and global alliances.

You are right and that's probably why those involved in political affairs are silent, but the sentiment among those of pakistani origin or those who are pakistani amongst public in or beyond Pakistan is to bend over backwards for arabs and do all kinds of pit when it comes to their suffering but these muslims are irrelevant to them. I agree there is sympathy for Kashmiris but am not sure how genuine that is given the rivalry with India but it could be genuine.

Also, political justifications wouldn't be the first thought in the minds of many unless there was an issue in Gaza etc

 

[Varun]

The only Muslims Pakistanis care about outside of Kashmiris are those which puts them on a good pedestal with Saudi Arabia / Gulf Arabs.

Doubt many Pakistanis, or Arabs for that matter, can even point the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Province on a map.

 

[Pakistanian]

The only Muslims Pakistanis care about outside of Kashmiris are those which puts them on a good pedestal with Saudi Arabia / Gulf Arabs.

Doubt many Pakistanis, or Arabs for that matter, can even point the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Province on a map.

Because you're a Pakistani Muslim and speak on behalf of us.

 

[Pakistanian]

You are right and that's probably why those involved in political affairs are silent, but the sentiment among those of pakistani origin or those who are pakistani amongst public in or beyond Pakistan is to bend over backwards for arabs and do all kinds of pit when it comes to their suffering but these muslims are irrelevant to them. I agree there is sympathy for Kashmiris but am not sure how genuine that is given the rivalry with India but it could be genuine.

Also, political justifications wouldn't be the first thought in the minds of many unless there was an issue in Gaza etc

The whole rivalry with India is because of Kashmir lmaoo. The sentiment is genuine because a lot of Pakistanis have ties to Kashmir (both sides) and historically Kashmir has a lot of ties to Punjab and KP. They're not a foreign ethnicity like Arabs or Rohingyas.

 

[Varun]

Because you're a Pakistani Muslim and speak on behalf of us.

I do not, but we aren't allowed to logically deduce the obvious based on facts and years of evidence, why have an open forum at all?

 

[Pakistanian]

I do not, but we aren't allowed to logically deduce the obvious based on facts and years of evidence, why have an open forum at all?

I don't know what "logic" you're using to "deduce" from so called "obvious based on facts and years of evidence" lmaoo. If you go on social media then you'll see a lot of Pakistanis sharing articles and tweeting about the uighurs, the government and the people have different interests. It's like saying Indians don't care about Tibetans just cause they trade billions of dollars with China.

 

[Suleiman]

Current world runs on money not morals.

 

[Varun]

I don't know what "logic" you're using to "deduce" from so called "obvious based on facts and years of evidence" lmaoo. If you go on social media then you'll see a lot of Pakistanis sharing articles and tweeting about the uighurs, the government and the people have different interests. It's like saying Indians don't care about Tibetans just cause they trade billions of dollars with China.

Mate.

Most Pakistanis are capable of hollering loudly at the sign of of the slightest argument that may occur in Kashmir or Gaza or the Netherlands with a Muslim as one of the involved parties. Households across the country foam at the mouth at the merest mention of the word India, mosques put up the Palestinian flag as a symbolic gesture, and even PM Imran Khan champions the cause against the evil Dutch. That is what you and your compatriots are capable of - it takes a lot of drive for several generations of the family to be enraged about a single issue for decades on end.

However, we see none of that when it comes to these Uyghurs. Crickets. Tumbleweeds. Sure I can go on the wide universe of social media and spot one Pakistani or the other sharing an article on this disenfranchised community, but that would occur at the ratio of 1 such Pakistani to 500 others in flames over the supposed happenings in the aforementioned countries.

I mean, ask yourself: have you ever contributed towards the Uyghur cause? Does the Imam ever bring this subject up in the local mosque? Do you ever sign petitions on change.org for the Uyghur's betterment?

Don't get me wrong - I don't give two hoots about them either. Then again, I don't care about anybody.

 

[Pakistanian]

Mate.

Most Pakistanis are capable of hollering loudly at the sign of of the slightest argument that may occur in Kashmir or Gaza or the Netherlands with a Muslim as one of the involved parties. Households across the country foam at the mouth at the merest mention of the word India, mosques put up the Palestinian flag as a symbolic gesture, and even PM Imran Khan champions the cause against the evil Dutch. That is what you and your compatriots are capable of - it takes a lot of drive for several generations of the family to be enraged about a single issue for decades on end.

However, we see none of that when it comes to these Uyghurs. Crickets. Tumbleweeds. Sure I can go on the wide universe of social media and spot one Pakistani or the other sharing an article on this disenfranchised community, but that would occur at the ratio of 1 such Pakistani to 500 others in flames over the supposed happenings in the aforementioned countries.

I mean, ask yourself: have you ever contributed towards the Uyghur cause? Does the Imam ever bring this subject up in the local mosque? Do you ever sign petitions on change.org for the Uyghur's betterment?

Don't get me wrong - I don't give two hoots about them either. Then again, I don't care about anybody.

First of all you make a lot of generalizations and you're not even Pakistani, a Muslims, have ever even been to Pakistan or know what Pakistanis discuss in their households or what imams and mosques, msas etc are doing for the uighur crisis. You're a little fob in india who thinks he knows the world cause he can surf the internet . Don't make yourself sound like an expert.

 

[Varun]

First of all you make a lot of generalizations and you're not even Pakistani, a Muslims, have ever even been to Pakistan or know what Pakistanis discuss in their households or what imams and mosques, msas etc are doing for the uighur crisis. You're a little fob in india who thinks he knows the world cause he can surf the internet . Don't make yourself sound like an expert.

I do admit I have no idea of the results of your love for the Uyghurs. If you have been keeping it under wraps, pray do enlighten us:

1. I, Pakistanian after much thought about the plight of Uyghurs in China decided to....

2. My friends and I had a corner of China on our minds this Eid. We decided to use the holy occasion to...

3. Enough is enough! The Uyghurs must be saved. From today, me and my folks have made up our minds to...

Go ahead.

 

[Varun]

[MENTION=142256]Pakistanian[/MENTION]

By the way in your previous post, you referred to me as a 'fob'. Not knowing what that meant, I headed to Urban Dictionary to realize that it stands for 'Fresh off the Boat'. Who, me? A bonafide confused desi calling an Indian in India fresh off some boat? Cute.

 

[ExpressPacer]

[mention=142256]pakistanian[/mention]

by the way in your previous post, you referred to me as a 'fob'. Not knowing what that meant, i headed to urban dictionary to realize that it stands for 'fresh off the boat'. Who, me? A bonafide confused desi calling an indian in india fresh off some boat? Cute.

potw.

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=142256]Pakistanian[/MENTION]

By the way in your previous post, you referred to me as a 'fob'. Not knowing what that meant, I headed to Urban Dictionary to realize that it stands for 'Fresh off the Boat'. Who, me? A bonafide confused desi calling an Indian in India fresh off some boat? Cute.

So you complain about muslims not caring about what's happening and then you go onto mock him for his love for Uyghurs, what kind of sick and twisted human being are you? And don't act like you have any sympathy for oppression against muslims in China, you always use these oppourtunities to point score like the other fobs who sit on their fat behinds all day free loading in their uncles spare room eating daal, getting fat and dreaming of England.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I do admit I have no idea of the results of your love for the Uyghurs. If you have been keeping it under wraps, pray do enlighten us:

1. I, Pakistanian after much thought about the plight of Uyghurs in China decided to....

2. My friends and I had a corner of China on our minds this Eid. We decided to use the holy occasion to...

3. Enough is enough! The Uyghurs must be saved. From today, me and my folks have made up our minds to...

Go ahead.

If you and your fellow countrymen defend the oppression and brutality against Kashmiris, who you claim to be your own people then surely you cannot are for people in China? If you do why and what is the difference?

 

[Varun]

If you and your fellow countrymen defend the oppression and brutality against Kashmiris, who you claim to be your own people then surely you cannot care for people in China? If you do why and what is the difference?

Let me repeat my pearls of wisdom from a prior post:

Don't get me wrong - I don't give two hoots about them either. Then again, I don't care about anybody.

So there. I don't need to care for them either, not part of my contract like it is yours.

 

[shaykh]

In terms of the answer to the thread title... The question has been answered on this thread already...

It's all geopolitics and Pakistan's relationship with China is what matters here... China could cleanse the Uyghurs and Pakistan wouldn't batter an eyelid...

Just like with Yemen now...

What I do find bizarre is individuals who aren't statesmen being on the defensive...

An answer such as 'have you visited these camps' and 'China is a communist country'... 'its a separatist issue'... Just feel off...

A small number of Uyghurs calling for secession apparently justifies putting them all in reeducation camps?... Preventing Muslims from praying etc...

If this wasn't the Chinese doing this then there would be uproar... There would especially be uproar if it was a state other than an ally engaging in this behaviour... And if China did become an enemy of Pakistan then there would be uproar too of their treatment of 'our brothers'...

I understand why states play this game... I just find it weird that individuals feel the need to defend China...

On the topic of what Shaz brought up... I don't think it's racism in this instance... It's all to do with the identity of the oppressor... Not the identity of the oppressed...

If it was Europeans mistreating Uyghurs or KKWCs nemesis the Israelis then it would be a topic...

Just like some of the Indians on here who seem to care about Muslims when Pakistanis mistreat them...

One of the better examples I remember was the far right in Germany full of misogyny but suddenly caring for German women when it's immigrants doing bad things to them...

 

[Slog]

Pakistan has no links or commonality with Chinese Muslims for us to care specially for them. So do not expect us to have same concern for them as we have for Kashmiris or Palestinians.

Indian Muslims are our brethren and we shared a country and culture with them for centuries and still have links. Kashmiris are our countrymen in our hearts regardless of what international law might say (which says that it is disputed territory btw). Palestinians live in lands which are holy and close to our hearts so we will care for them always.

Rest of the Muslims have our well wishes but thats about it!

 

[KingKhanWC]

In terms of the answer to the thread title... The question has been answered on this thread already...

It's all geopolitics and Pakistan's relationship with China is what matters here... China could cleanse the Uyghurs and Pakistan wouldn't batter an eyelid...

Just like with Yemen now...

What I do find bizarre is individuals who aren't statesmen being on the defensive...

An answer such as 'have you visited these camps' and 'China is a communist country'... 'its a separatist issue'... Just feel off...

A small number of Uyghurs calling for secession apparently justifies putting them all in reeducation camps?... Preventing Muslims from praying etc...

If this wasn't the Chinese doing this then there would be uproar... There would especially be uproar if it was a state other than an ally engaging in this behaviour... And if China did become an enemy of Pakistan then there would be uproar too of their treatment of 'our brothers'...

I understand why states play this game... I just find it weird that individuals feel the need to defend China...

On the topic of what Shaz brought up... I don't think it's racism in this instance... It's all to do with the identity of the oppressor... Not the identity of the oppressed...

If it was Europeans mistreating Uyghurs or KKWCs nemesis the Israelis then it would be a topic...

Just like some of the Indians on here who seem to care about Muslims when Pakistanis mistreat them...

One of the better examples I remember was the far right in Germany full of misogyny but suddenly caring for German women when it's immigrants doing bad things to them...

Welcome back, hope the Zionists have treated you well.

We just dont know anything about these 'camps'. We only have a few testimonites from people who claim to be have been held there. So unless you know more information then perhaps you can share?

It's not a Muslim issue , if it was why aren't Muslims from other areas not being treated the same?

 

[shaykh]

Welcome back, hope the Zionists have treated you well.

We just dont know anything about these 'camps'. We only have a few testimonites from people who claim to be have been held there. So unless you know more information then perhaps you can share?

It's not a Muslim issue , if it was why aren't Muslims from other areas not being treated the same?

What makes something a 'Muslim' issue?...

I actually agree that the Uyghur aren't being oppressed cos they are Muslim but because they are Uyghur...but does this make it a non Muslim issue to you?... It's still 1m Muslims being oppressed...

Am I to presume you saw the Russians during the war in Chechnya in the same way?... After all Muslims in Kazan are well integrated...

I hope you see the irony of your position regarding your core topic ie Israeli Arabs and Palestinians...its also a national topic...

On the camps... Would it matter to you if they were confirmed... The Chinese have confirmed they exist... They just present them as not camps but vocational facilities designed for integration... A cry of 50s China being brought back

 

[KingKhanWC]

What makes something a 'Muslim' issue?...

I actually agree that the Uyghur aren't being oppressed cos they are Muslim but because they are Uyghur...but does this make it a non Muslim issue to you?... It's still 1m Muslims being oppressed...

Am I to presume you saw the Russians during the war in Chechnya in the same way?... After all Muslims in Kazan are well integrated...

I hope you see the irony of your position regarding your core topic ie Israeli Arabs and Palestinians...its also a national topic...

On the camps... Would it matter to you if they were confirmed... The Chinese have confirmed they exist... They just present them as not camps but vocational facilities designed for integration... A cry of 50s China being brought back

If Muslims are being oppressed because they are Muslims, which is not the case here.

Not sure what you mean regarding Israeli Arabs and Palestinians, both are either oppressed or discrimanated against. You should be the last person to worry about such tyranny as you are a self confessed Zionist student.

Chinese have only confirmed such places exist but have said they are not as told by the western media. All im saying is there isn't enough information to decide which side is being honest here. You dont know anything more than what you've read on Jpost either.

 

[shaykh]

If Muslims are being oppressed because they are Muslims, which is not the case here.

Not sure what you mean regarding Israeli Arabs and Palestinians, both are either oppressed or discrimanated against. You should be the last person to worry about such tyranny as you are a self confessed Zionist student.

Chinese have only confirmed such places exist but have said they are not as told by the western media. All im saying is there isn't enough information to decide which side is being honest here. You dont know anything more than what you've read on Jpost either.

You're kinda missing the point here... You defined the issue with Uyghurs as being a 'non Muslim' issue...because they aren't oppressed because they are Muslim...

I don't want to make this an Israel discussion but my point about that was Palestinians aren't attacked cos they are Muslim...

Chechens weren't attacked cos they are Muslim either...

Muslims in Yemen aren't attacked for being Muslim...

But your odd definition is because the oppressor isn't attacking Muslims for being Muslim then this therefore isn't a Muslim issue...

Which would render the above examples also not Muslim issues by your definition...

So how then do you define a Muslim issue?...

And you didn't answer the question... If the camps were confirmed... Then would it even matter?... After all its 1m Muslims being interned not cos they are Muslim but cos they are Uyghurs...

 

[Varun]

We just dont know anything about these 'camps'. We only have a few testimonites from people who claim to be have been held there. So unless you know more information then perhaps you can share?

Chinese have only confirmed such places exist but have said they are not as told by the western media. All im saying is there isn't enough information to decide which side is being honest here.

So basically you're throwing the 1M Chinese Muslims under the bus and letting Mr. Ching Chong off on technicalities.

Not that it matters if you hollered about them anyway, it hasn't achieved anything in Israel, India, France or Australia. Pretty sure none of the Muslims in these places are claiming, "Thanks to KKWC and his kind's efforts, our lives are much better and we have been able to claim back acres of our rightful land!".

At least the Uyghurs don't have to live in hope. If anything, we hope they're having fun in their correction camps this Saturday!

 

[KingKhanWC]

You're kinda missing the point here... You defined the issue with Uyghurs as being a 'non Muslim' issue...because they aren't oppressed because they are Muslim...

I don't want to make this an Israel discussion but my point about that was Palestinians aren't attacked cos they are Muslim...

Chechens weren't attacked cos they are Muslim either...

Muslims in Yemen aren't attacked for being Muslim...

But your odd definition is because the oppressor isn't attacking Muslims for being Muslim then this therefore isn't a Muslim issue...

Which would render the above examples also not Muslim issues by your definition...

So how then do you define a Muslim issue?...

And you didn't answer the question... If the camps were confirmed... Then would it even matter?... After all its 1m Muslims being interned not cos they are Muslim but cos they are Uyghurs...

How can it be a Muslim issue when they are not being 'attacked' due to their religion? You claim because they are Muslims it's a Muslim issue even when you have stated it's not because of their religion. The same goes for any conflict, it depends on the reasons for oppression. The Palestine issue is different because as you know Jewish extremists believe their temple should be in place of the Muslim mosque, amongst other things.

If the treatment in the camps is confirmed as torture, then I would condemn them. Im not going to do so when there is little to none information at the moment.

 

[KingKhanWC]

So basically you're throwing the 1M Chinese Muslims under the bus and letting Mr. Ching Chong off on technicalities.

Not that it matters if you hollered about them anyway, it hasn't achieved anything in Israel, India, France or Australia. Pretty sure none of the Muslims in these places are claiming, "Thanks to KKWC and his kind's efforts, our lives are much better and we have been able to claim back acres of our rightful land!".

At least the Uyghurs don't have to live in hope. If anything, we hope they're having fun in their correction camps this Saturday!

lol. Im merely giving my opinion. Im not in an organistion such as the RSS or Shiv Sena as an activist.

As I stated earlier, you dont care about the Kashmiris so it's a fair assumption to say you privately enjoy hearing of Muslims suffering around the world. It's a shame but you're not alone from India.

 

[Varun]

lol. Im merely giving my opinion. Im not in an organistion such as the RSS or Shiv Sena as an activist.

As I stated earlier, you dont care about the Kashmiris so it's a fair assumption to say you privately enjoy hearing of Muslims suffering around the world. It's a shame but you're not alone from India.

I don't care about anybody. Takes too much effort and I'm too lazy. If the Kashmiris - Indian or Pakistani - ever huddled around the mountains and discussed me and my problems then I'll consider returning the favour. As it stands they're just whining away and me hailing from a state that is the polar opposite of Kashmir (Tamil Nadu, for reference) find it all too convenient to just ignore them.

Take a leaf out of my book. What have you achieved out of all this anyway? Has Kashmir been freed? No. Has Palestine been freed? No. Has France been chastized? No. Have comics been banned in the Netherlands? No.

Screw it all, and live your life. Ignoring the Chinese Muslims is a step in the right direction.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I don't care about anybody. Takes too much effort and I'm too lazy. If the Kashmiris - Indian or Pakistani - ever huddled around the mountains and discussed me and my problems then I'll consider returning the favour. As it stands they're just whining away and me hailing from a state that is the polar opposite of Kashmir (Tamil Nadu, for reference) find it all too convenient to just ignore them.

Take a leaf out of my book. What have you achieved out of all this anyway? Has Kashmir been freed? No. Has Palestine been freed? No. Has France been chastized? No. Have comics been banned in the Netherlands? No.

Screw it all, and live your life. Ignoring the Chinese Muslims is a step in the right direction.

It's basic humanity to feel the pain of others esp those who are oppressed. If you dont have these feelings, it's an issue within yourself.

By speaking up it may not resolve the issue but it highlights the issue, giving voice to those who dont have much. If you dont want to, it's your choice but dont tell others they should ignore injustice.

 

[shaykh]

How can it be a Muslim issue when they are not being 'attacked' due to their religion? You claim because they are Muslims it's a Muslim issue even when you have stated it's not because of their religion. The same goes for any conflict, it depends on the reasons for oppression. The Palestine issue is different because as you know Jewish extremists believe their temple should be in place of the Muslim mosque, amongst other things.

If the treatment in the camps is confirmed as torture, then I would condemn them. Im not going to do so when there is little to none information at the moment.

I just find your definition interesting... Cos it essentially makes 99.9% of Muslim deaths not Islamic related whatsoever...

You have your trump card of Jerusalem for Israel... I wonder if you would have made that argument prior to 1967...

So are there any Muslim issues except Palestine?...

I mean the Kamein are a Muslim ethnic group in Myanmar and aren't being attacked... Have been given citizenship... The Rohingya alone are targeted...

You never said whether what Russia did to the Chechens was cool?... They were separatists... And Muslims in Kazan do just fine...

One can even make your argument for the Serbs... The Gorani are a Serbian Muslim ethnic group who were pro Serb during the wars... And Muslims who identified as Serbian and not Bosniaks fought in the war on the Serbian side...
https://www.nytimes.com/1993/01/07/world/stranger-in-a-strange-land-muslim-in-serb-army.html

I mean in China they have the Hui right...

Other than Israel/Palestine is there such a thing as a Muslim issue?...

 

[KingKhanWC]

I just find your definition interesting... Cos it essentially makes 99.9% of Muslim deaths not Islamic related whatsoever...

You have your trump card of Jerusalem for Israel... I wonder if you would have made that argument prior to 1967...

So are there any Muslim issues except Palestine?...

I mean the Kamein are a Muslim ethnic group in Myanmar and aren't being attacked... Have been given citizenship... The Rohingya alone are targeted...

You never said whether what Russia did to the Chechens was cool?... They were separatists... And Muslims in Kazan do just fine...

One can even make your argument for the Serbs... The Gorani are a Serbian Muslim ethnic group who were pro Serb during the wars... And Muslims who identified as Serbian and not Bosniaks fought in the war on the Serbian side...
https://www.nytimes.com/1993/01/07/world/stranger-in-a-strange-land-muslim-in-serb-army.html

I mean in China they have the Hui right...

Other than Israel/Palestine is there such a thing as a Muslim issue?...

I wasn't born before 67 and im not sure what you mean by 99.9% of deaths? Are you going by the history of Muslims for 1400 years + or only the issues you are aware of?

I'd rather not go off topic, if you would like to start a thread on Muslims issues or not, I will be happy to contribute.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Nah I just wanted to understand your definition...

You don't need to state what Muslim issues exist... I was thinking more recently actually... After all by your definition none of the ones I listed above are...

So to clarify: Providing the oppressor oppresses Muslims for reasons other than the fact that they are Muslim ie ethnicity then there's nothing to see... Except the one you did mention...

Of course there's something to see and condemn but we must not simply claim its due to the faith of the people when it may not be. China is a good example, in other areas Muslims are flourishing in a communist state more than Christiains and Bhuddists. There have been Generals in the Chinese army going back centuries which shows there is no inherent problem against Muslims for Chinese. Sepratists are a big issue for China as it would be in the UK if the people of Cornwall wanted to have their own nation. In other nations this can be seen as treason which means the people can be put to death. Unlike the evil Zionists who oppress the Palestinians the Chinese aren't simply shooting them dead.

 

[shaykh]

I wasn't born before 67 and im not sure what you mean by 99.9% of deaths? Are you going by the history of Muslims for 1400 years + or only the issues you are aware of?

I'd rather not go off topic, if you would like to start a thread on Muslims issues or not, I will be happy to contribute.

No I just wanted to clarify what you defined a Muslim issue as being...

Essentially placing 1m people in camps isn't one because they aren't being placed there for being Muslim but because they are Uyghurs who happen to be Muslim... After all the Huis exist...

My 99.9% comment is in relation to the fact that Muslims are rarely killed because they are Muslim... But many Muslims sympathise because after all its Muslims who get killed and oppressed...

And no you don't need to list any... All the conflicts I listed fall into the same category... Ie ethnic or political oppression where Muslims are killed...

I just wanted to see if you stuck to your criteria which you have...

 

[shaykh]

Of course there's something to see and condemn but we must not simply claim its due to the faith of the people when it may not be. China is a good example, in other areas Muslims are flourishing in a communist state more than Christiains and Bhuddists. There have been Generals in the Chinese army going back centuries which shows there is no inherent problem against Muslims for Chinese. Sepratists are a big issue for China as it would be in the UK if the people of Cornwall wanted to have their own nation. In other nations this can be seen as treason which means the people can be put to death. Unlike the evil Zionists who oppress the Palestinians the Chinese aren't simply shooting them dead.

Lol challenge for you... Try and discuss an issue without discussing Israel... Lest you get off topic...

I just found it interesting that you have such a soft spot for China...

With the conflicts I listed earlier did you also support the states?

 

[Donal Cozzie]

Because people dont care enough, money and power is what matters in the world.

Kashmir right now, majority of Indians see nothing wrong or defend the army, majority of Pakistanis the opposite. All about power and politics, swap the roles and have the Pakistani army occupying it and Indian separatists present and the roles would be swapped, the rhetoric swapped, those who preach justice break out the whataboutery, those who preach military break out the human rights. Brits who preach about savage human rights abuses worship their army like heroes and condemn even an investigation into past atrocities, Yanks demolish whole countries and view themselves as the heroes etc etc etc

China is an ally and provides Pakistan with money, so, peoples lives dont matter once the money keeps coming. Same with the Yanks and Brits in the Middle East, they dont care about stopping terrorism, all about selling weapons and keeping the dollars flowing. If some innocent layabouts die in a desert, meh, who cares, profits are up.

Human life is cheap, particularly when its not yours you're selling.

 

[Josh]

Because people dont care enough, money and power is what matters in the world.

Kashmir right now, majority of Indians see nothing wrong or defend the army, majority of Pakistanis the opposite. All about power and politics, swap the roles and have the Pakistani army occupying it and Indian separatists present and the roles would be swapped, the rhetoric swapped, those who preach justice break out the whataboutery, those who preach military break out the human rights. Brits who preach about savage human rights abuses worship their army like heroes and condemn even an investigation into past atrocities, Yanks demolish whole countries and view themselves as the heroes etc etc etc

China is an ally and provides Pakistan with money, so, peoples lives dont matter once the money keeps coming. Same with the Yanks and Brits in the Middle East, they dont care about stopping terrorism, all about selling weapons and keeping the dollars flowing. If some innocent layabouts die in a desert, meh, who cares, profits are up.

Human life is cheap, particularly when its not yours you're selling.

Very well put. This is how the world is and it has been.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Lol challenge for you... Try and discuss an issue without discussing Israel... Lest you get off topic...

I just found it interesting that you have such a soft spot for China...

With the conflicts I listed earlier did you also support the states?

I was just remdinding you of your personal beliefs on the conflict.

As a Pakistani, yes I have a soft spot for China but I will condemn any Islamaphobia from them. There is no evidence this is the case here.

Other conflicts are more clear cut than this one.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Because people dont care enough, money and power is what matters in the world.

Kashmir right now, majority of Indians see nothing wrong or defend the army, majority of Pakistanis the opposite. All about power and politics, swap the roles and have the Pakistani army occupying it and Indian separatists present and the roles would be swapped, the rhetoric swapped, those who preach justice break out the whataboutery, those who preach military break out the human rights. Brits who preach about savage human rights abuses worship their army like heroes and condemn even an investigation into past atrocities, Yanks demolish whole countries and view themselves as the heroes etc etc etc

China is an ally and provides Pakistan with money, so, peoples lives dont matter once the money keeps coming. Same with the Yanks and Brits in the Middle East, they dont care about stopping terrorism, all about selling weapons and keeping the dollars flowing. If some innocent layabouts die in a desert, meh, who cares, profits are up.

Human life is cheap, particularly when its not yours you're selling.

Saudi Arabia is also a close ally of Pakistan yet Pakistan refused to help them in the Yemen war and even called out the death of innocents. Its not a simple as you claim.

 

[shaykh]

I was just remdinding you of your personal beliefs on the conflict.

As a Pakistani, yes I have a soft spot for China but I will condemn any Islamaphobia from them. There is no evidence this is the case here.

Other conflicts are more clear cut than this one.

Can you give examples of more clear cut conflicts?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Can you give examples of more clear cut conflicts?

Israel - Palestine. We know the Jewish state wants to bring forward it's prophecies and thus have to defeat the Muslims to achieve this.

Bosnian war - If Bosnians weren't marjority Muslims, the Serbs would have been ok.

I'm not here to answer your questions but to debate the topic. I think I've made my point on this now.

 

[Varun]

By speaking up it may not resolve the issue but it highlights the issue, giving voice to those who dont have much. If you dont want to, it's your choice but dont tell others they should ignore injustice.

Words don't speak louder than actions, and I dare you to prove that you have swayed the opinion of people on the other side of the debate through your mere words alone.

I would think it's more of an annoyance when people don't see much substance on your part in a cause like Israel - Palestine that you believe in so much.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Question: what's your stance on China's treatment of Uyghur Muslims?<br>PM Khan: frankly, I don't know much about that.. <a href="https://t.co/lNoNDdN6NX">pic.twitter.com/lNoNDdN6NX</a></p>— Naila Inayat नायला इनायत (@nailainayat) <a href="https://twitter.com/nailainayat/status/1110978965760557056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We asked <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a> the same question, and two months on he still doesn’t know much about China's treatment of Uighurs. Watch our full interview here: <a href="https://t.co/OKZSnkxoXx">https://t.co/OKZSnkxoXx</a><a href="https://t.co/pL8PSKoMfv">pic.twitter.com/pL8PSKoMfv</a></p>— The Newsmakers (@The_Newsmakers) <a href="https://twitter.com/The_Newsmakers/status/1111203842052554752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 28, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Great answer by Imran to the attempts by the newsreader, first acknowledging how much good work the Chinese have done with Pakistan for future financial stability and opportunity, then confirming that he would address the Uihgur issue with the Chinese confidentially, never in public for the benefit of enemy trolls.

 

[Stewie]

It is bad but let’s be realistic.. we won’t be able to unsettle internal Chinese dynamics if we want them to work with us.

 

[a_tahir]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Question: what's your stance on China's treatment of Uyghur Muslims?<br>PM Khan: frankly, I don't know much about that.. <a href="https://t.co/lNoNDdN6NX">pic.twitter.com/lNoNDdN6NX</a></p>— Naila Inayat नायला इनायत (@nailainayat) <a href="https://twitter.com/nailainayat/status/1110978965760557056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We asked <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a> the same question, and two months on he still doesn’t know much about China's treatment of Uighurs. Watch our full interview here: <a href="https://t.co/OKZSnkxoXx">https://t.co/OKZSnkxoXx</a><a href="https://t.co/pL8PSKoMfv">pic.twitter.com/pL8PSKoMfv</a></p>— The Newsmakers (@The_Newsmakers) <a href="https://twitter.com/The_Newsmakers/status/1111203842052554752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 28, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Why are nearly all of her tweets related to pakistan?

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Why are nearly all of her tweets related to pakistan?

She is a Pakistani Journalist.

 

[Madplayer]

A very sad state of affairs for muslims. Its a collective mum over the issue and never have i seen such silence in the muslim world when it comes to persecution of muslims. This is the state of our politics now. All of this is because we are divided. The only way muslims can become a consolidated force is by reinstating Khilafat. I'm not romanticising with the past. It actually is a powerful idea of creating one big muslim block. But it would almost require divine intervention now to make that happen.

 

[Muddaser]

She is a Pakistani Journalist.

Yes she is as Pakistani as Taha Siddique and Mohammad Taqi.

 

[Muddaser]

To all the Indians here.

Look closer to Home and see the conditions of Indian Muslim and occupied Kashmiris before lecturing us about China. Heck even your relationship with Israel.

We KNOW your motive.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

She is a Pakistani Journalist.

She must be aware that Pakistan is not a rich or powerful Muslim country and therefore cannot afford to publicly fight against one of it's few international allies. Pakistan has a stark choice here: either they can continue down the secular route and treat friends and enemies according to self interest, or they can take the theocratic route and support all Muslim brethren worldwide regardless of the consequence.

As Madplayer has said, that would probably mean Khilafat ISIS style, in which case the woman interviewer asking for Islamic solidarity would be taken to one side and immediately slam-dunked into a burkha. Do you think that is the result the lady is seeking?

 

[Zhasan]

To all the Indians here.

Look closer to Home and see the conditions of Indian Muslim and occupied Kashmiris before lecturing us about China. Heck even your relationship with Israel.

We KNOW your motive.

I know...

Also has India proposed a resolution at UNSC condemning China for this treatment of Uyghurs? Otherwise they should shut their traps.

 

[Muddaser]

She must be aware that Pakistan is not a rich or powerful Muslim country and therefore cannot afford to publicly fight against one of it's few international allies. Pakistan has a stark choice here: either they can continue down the secular route and treat friends and enemies according to self interest, or they can take the theocratic route and support all Muslim brethren worldwide regardless of the consequence.

As Madplayer has said, that would probably mean Khilafat ISIS style, in which case the woman interviewer asking for Islamic solidarity would be taken to one side and immediately slam-dunked into a burkha. Do you think that is the result the lady is seeking?

Read her twitter.

She is as much Pakistani as Taha Siddiqui, Mohammad Taqi and co.

 

[Thomaskutty]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Question: what's your stance on China's treatment of Uyghur Muslims?<br>PM Khan: frankly, I don't know much about that.. <a href="https://t.co/lNoNDdN6NX">pic.twitter.com/lNoNDdN6NX</a></p>— Naila Inayat नायला इनायत (@nailainayat) <a href="https://twitter.com/nailainayat/status/1110978965760557056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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After this embarrassing interview, I predict Imran won't do any more international tv appearances. He certainly won't do Indian TV like he used to before because this hypocrisy with Xinjiang and his Kashmir statements would be the first thing an indian anchor would ask.

 

[pillionrider]

Never seen Imran look so shaky and uncomfortable in an interview.

Pretty sure it's the same with some of the braveheart posters here with their selective love for Muslims, especially Indian Muslims, and even more specifically, Indian Muslims in Kashmir.

 

[cricketjoshila]

To all the Indians here.

Look closer to Home and see the conditions of Indian Muslim and occupied Kashmiris before lecturing us about China. Heck even your relationship with Israel.

We KNOW your motive.

Look at your own iron brother who treat muslims in the most pathetic way before talking about Kashmir.

Look at how pakistanis treat Shias,Ahmaddiyas and Hindus.

After he has done that then Imran Khan can try poking his nose in the affairs of its neighbouring countries.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Never seen Imran look so shaky and uncomfortable in an interview.

Pretty sure it's the same with some of the braveheart posters here with their selective love for Muslims, especially Indian Muslims, and even more specifically, Indian Muslims in Kashmir.

You can already read posts about how Pakistan should look after its self interests and not annoy one of its few allies.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Look at your own iron brother who treat muslims in the most pathetic way before talking about Kashmir.

Look at how pakistanis treat Shias,Ahmaddiyas and Hindus.

After he has done that then Imran Khan can try poking his nose in the affairs of its neighbouring countries.

As an Ahmadi I can assure you that we don't want you and your ilk's fake sympathies and faux outrage. I could say a few more things but that would mean a certain ban on this forum.

 

[cricketjoshila]

As an Ahmadi I can assure you that we don't want you and your ilk's fake sympathies and faux outrage. I could say a few more things but that would mean a certain ban on this forum.

Good that you dont need Indian help. Indian muslims have said the same about Pakistani help, to Jinnah in 1947 till Imran Khan now, still why dont your leaders learn?

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Good that you dont need Indian help. Indian muslims have said the same about Pakistani help, to Jinnah in 1947 till Imran Khan now, still why dont your leaders learn?

I'm not wasting my time on you son. Learn to read the room.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I'm not wasting my time on you son. Learn to read the room.

Ask your leaders to do that and not poke their noses in Indian affairs else they will be treated with the disdain they deserve and they will have to vent out their frustration on twitter.

 

[Mamoon]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Question: what's your stance on China's treatment of Uyghur Muslims?<br>PM Khan: frankly, I don't know much about that.. <a href="https://t.co/lNoNDdN6NX">pic.twitter.com/lNoNDdN6NX</a></p>— Naila Inayat नायला इनायत (@nailainayat) <a href="https://twitter.com/nailainayat/status/1110978965760557056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

As much as I despise Imran, I did not enjoy him getting humiliated in this fashion. He did not anticipate that he would be put on the spot like this and was clearly not prepared.

He was dumbstruck with fear, and the best he could do was to mutter "I don't know".

Imran is forgetting that this is not Pakistani media. Our blatant hypocrisy will not get a pass, and he will have to answer tough questions. However, I am sure he will learn his lesson now and will be better prepared in the future to defend the atrocities of big daddy.