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Why is Salman Ali Agha considered a modern T20 hero compared to Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan?

I see you both have ptsd regarding Van Gogh. Mamoon really has done a number on you both
Rizwan is crap. It’s well established now. Your cheerleading all those years ago was a hoax. And you were accusing me of hating him for being Pashtun. You got me wrong big time. I don’t even care about his ethnicity. All I see is a fraud T20 opener and a fraud white ball player in general.

Get over it. Pakistan first. Not these rubbish players!
 
Rizwan is crap. It’s well established now. Your cheerleading all those years ago was a hoax. And you were accusing me of hating him for being Pashtun. You got me wrong big time. I don’t even care about his ethnicity. All I see is a fraud T20 opener and a fraud white ball player in general.

Get over it. Pakistan first. Not these rubbish players!
Rizwan was a perfectly fine around a more dynamic batting line up. In the absence of such players he looks very poor. Thus, he’s not crap, he’s just not what’s needed for the team combination right now.
 
Rizwan was a perfectly fine around a more dynamic batting line up
Which more dynamic batting line up does Rizwan make?

A player of his level doesn’t make it into a dynamic line up. He sits on the bench. The way he struggled to make the Pakistan team when he first emerged under Afridi
 
Which more dynamic batting line up does Rizwan make?

A player of his level doesn’t make it into a dynamic line up. He sits on the bench. The way he struggled to make the Pakistan team when he first emerged under Afridi
Read again. His batting style complements a more dynamic line up. It’s why Multan previously did so well. He could play the steady scoring anchor around impact players that could go from ball one. Pakistan doesn’t have those impact players, hence Rizwan doesn’t need to be in the t20 team.

He’s currently in the ODI team because of lack of settled middle order alternatives. Once we can add to Hasan Nawaz etc, eventually Rizwan will mainly be a red ball player.
 
Read again. His batting style complements a more dynamic line up. It’s why Multan previously did so well. He could play the steady scoring anchor around impact players that could go from ball one. Pakistan doesn’t have those impact players, hence Rizwan doesn’t need to be in the t20 team
I read it. Sohaib Maqsood who helped Multan Sultans win the PSL totally disagrees with this. He feels Sultans won the PSL because Rizwan got out early in some key games. Rizwan batting through in a dynamic line up will castrate the team too.

This is a player’s pov. A player who pulled his weight for Sultans in the season they won. You can listen to his vlog on this.
 
Read again. His batting style complements a more dynamic line up. It’s why Multan previously did so well. He could play the steady scoring anchor around impact players that could go from ball one. Pakistan doesn’t have those impact players, hence Rizwan doesn’t need to be in the t20 team.

He’s currently in the ODI team because of lack of settled middle order alternatives. Once we can add to Hasan Nawaz etc, eventually Rizwan will mainly be a red ball player.
Rizwan's biggest issue is he cares too much for the time sometimes. He has stated in the past that he doesn't even want to play anchor but is forced to do it for the team even if it makes him look bad. It is a bit unfair to compare him to other pure batsmen. He is a keeper. Pant in ODI cricket is a mohalla level player see stats but you dont see Indians complaining about him.
 
RIzwan is not even in the picture here for t20s. I see no real possibility of him making a comeback soon.

As far as salman is concerned, he could just be a good captain for t20s but as a batter, he is a nobody atm.
 
Single-handedly lost the match for Pakistan.
How? He's not a bowler, hes a batting allrounder and as a captain he never allows himself to bowl. He has only bowled good spells on extremely spicy pitches in which case even nawaz and saim ayub have out bowled him their.

Its the captain that asked Agha to bowl 3 overs?

As a batsmen how is he responsible for the collapse and slow start of the top order?

He failed as a batsmen but he was literally tasked to rebuild?

How is he at fault?
 
Agha was a fine player but he is folding under the expectations that PCB and some clown fans have pinned on him.

He should have never been made the T20I captain. It is going to destroy his career and impact his performance in other formats as well.

He has been given more than he can handle because people are looking to latch onto anyone that can offer an alternative to Babar and Rizwan.

PCB and the fans are ruining his career. The same fans who forced him into a leadership position will also put him down and very soon.
 
FEARLESS agha demoted from 5 to 6. Why he likes to HIDE in the batting order.
It’s not his choice though?

Rizwan did a major Tatti at number 4 which caused a strange shuffle in the batting order

Agha was well settled at 5 but Hesson needed to somehow break the hold the WI bowlers had by sending in the in form leftie. It worked tbh.

Your problem is Rizwan at 4. He’s causing the issues.
 
Agha is proving himself to be a mental midget. I am very disappointed with him.
 
It’s not his choice though?

Rizwan did a major Tatti at number 4 which caused a strange shuffle in the batting order

Agha was well settled at 5 but Hesson needed to somehow break the hold the WI bowlers had by sending in the in form leftie. It worked tbh.

Your problem is Rizwan at 4. He’s causing the issues.
Agreed Rizwan doesn’t fit the ODI number 4 profile by any means.

He’s dogged and consistent though which works for him. His limitations are all too apparent and he’s a globally disliked cricketer for his cringe antics.

But moving on to salman, this constant moving down the order (hiding) is not looking good.
 
Is this guy a better batsmen than hafeez no

A white ball hafeez on form played some elegant shots and innings

Is he a better bowler than hafeez in white ball cricket no.

Does he have the arrogance flair and the pitch acumen of hafeez no
 
Is this guy a better batsmen than hafeez no

A white ball hafeez on form played some elegant shots and innings

Is he a better bowler than hafeez in white ball cricket no.

Does he have the arrogance flair and the pitch acumen of hafeez no
Hafeez, especially the bowler, was so underrated. His economical spells built the pressure on one end for gul, ajmal, afridi to take the wickets on the other end.

Yes as a bowler hafeez would be miles better and as a better too Sally has much to prove.

Considering his comparison with Babar and/or Riz, some PPers have said that he plays with a ‘fearless’ mindset and with a lot of ‘intent’. When we look at the stats though, his SR is poorer than theirs and which leaves us with the simple question ke ‘intent ka achaar daalna hai?’ if it’s not reflected in the SR.
 
How? He's not a bowler, hes a batting allrounder and as a captain he never allows himself to bowl. He has only bowled good spells on extremely spicy pitches in which case even nawaz and saim ayub have out bowled him their.

Its the captain that asked Agha to bowl 3 overs?

As a batsmen how is he responsible for the collapse and slow start of the top order?

He failed as a batsmen but he was literally tasked to rebuild?

How is he at fault?
More like Rizwan single handly lost them the game with his timid batting.Also he is the one who picks the team and playing 4 genuine bowlers cost him.
 
A: Agha is best captain and best batter
B: How?

A: Don’t you just ‘feel’ the intent this guy has?
B: His SR doesn’t reflect that intent

A: the way he demotes himself in the batting order that’s my fav part about him. There’s so much intent in that
B:
:facepalm
 
Not the best source I know but this is cricinfo’s intro on Agha:

“The lingering suspicion with Salman Agha is that at some point, the mask would slip, and his inadequacies in international cricket would finally be undeniably exposed. Agha's achievement, though, is the length of time he's managed to keep that eventuality at bay.“


Hope to see Agha leading from the front and not demoting himself.
 
I know Agha's T20 stats may not reflect this right now, but what differentiates him from Babar and Rizwan is that he possesses the ability to bat with intent. Whereas, with those two I think they just aren't capable of hitting sixes with alot of frequency, or at crucial stages of the innings in a T20.
 
The good thing about Agha is that he is flexible and can play at 4 or 5. He is not someone who wants to occupy particular batting spot to hide his weakness. Babar should have shown some flexibility but he was very adamant on particular spot
 
It's premature to call him a modern T20 hero, but Salman has certainly shown that he can adapt well to situations. He showed intent today, which was good to see

His T20 numbers are not great yet, but if he keeps batting like this, there's every chance that he will improve his SR and Ave.
 
I know Agha's T20 stats may not reflect this right now, but what differentiates him from Babar and Rizwan is that he possesses the ability to bat with intent. Whereas, with those two I think they just aren't capable of hitting sixes with alot of frequency, or at crucial stages of the innings in a T20.
Both play too many dot balls for my liking. You don't have to hit every ball to the boundary, but at least try to rotate the strike when the going gets tough.

As for hitting sixes, I think Rizwan (esp. slog sweep sixes on leg side, Moin Khan-esque) still has more ability than Babar.
 
The key difference is he can play at a higher sr in the middle overs against spin which was lacking from Babar and Rizwan

Also, both Rizwan and Babar only wanted to open, whilst guys like Fakhar had to be played at no. 4 in an unnatural position to accommodate them

There has been a gaping hole in middle order for quite sometime, but with Agha at least you feel secure knowing Pakistan won't completely capitulate if the top order misfires
Well, he just showed why he is better than both Babar and Rizwan in the middle overs today

Neither of those two are willing to play in middle order and neither of those two are capable of smacking Rashid Khan for consecutive sixes

Salman Agha in the middle is what was missing for a long time
 
Both play too many dot balls for my liking. You don't have to hit every ball to the boundary, but at least try to rotate the strike when the going gets tough.

As for hitting sixes, I think Rizwan (esp. slog sweep sixes on leg side, Moin Khan-esque) still has more ability than Babar.
Rizwan is a very limited player. Being able to only hit on the leg-side just reinforces that notion. Babar may not hit many sixes, but at his best, he can still find gaps by playing proper cricketing shots. Rizwan feels more suited to ODI and Tests, though lately he has regressed considerably in ODIs aswell.
 
Both play too many dot balls for my liking. You don't have to hit every ball to the boundary, but at least try to rotate the strike when the going gets tough.

As for hitting sixes, I think Rizwan (esp. slog sweep sixes on leg side, Moin Khan-esque) still has more ability than Babar.

What I liked about Rizwan was his ability to scrap and score tough runs. He played some very good knocks for Pakistan in Tests between 2020-22. Even in ODIs he had a very good World Cup. But lately we haven't seen much of that.

At the end of the day, I think neither are cut out for T20 cricket. Especially now when you consider how much this format has evolved in just a couple of years and how much they have regressed.
 
Hafeez, especially the bowler, was so underrated. His economical spells built the pressure on one end for gul, ajmal, afridi to take the wickets on the other end.

Yes as a bowler hafeez would be miles better and as a better too Sally has much to prove.

Considering his comparison with Babar and/or Riz, some PPers have said that he plays with a ‘fearless’ mindset and with a lot of ‘intent’. When we look at the stats though, his SR is poorer than theirs and which leaves us with the simple question ke ‘intent ka achaar daalna hai?’ if it’s not reflected in the SR.
Hafeez was literally proper bowler in odis...always in top 5 odi rankings along with ajmal
 
What I liked about Rizwan was his ability to scrap and score tough runs. He played some very good knocks for Pakistan in Tests between 2020-22. Even in ODIs he had a very good World Cup. But lately we haven't seen much of that.

At the end of the day, I think neither are cut out for T20 cricket. Especially now when you consider how much this format has evolved in just a couple of years and how much they have regressed.
that's just the Pakistani nature. You do well for a period of time. Then ego takes over, you become timid. once you have authority, you use it to make things easy for you which leads to your downfall.
The good thing the awful head coaches like Bradburn, Azhar, Hafeez and Aqib are gone. Hesson is visibly pushing the players out of their comfort zone.
 
that's just the Pakistani nature. You do well for a period of time. Then ego takes over, you become timid. once you have authority, you use it to make things easy for you which leads to your downfall.
The good thing the awful head coaches like Bradburn, Azhar, Hafeez and Aqib are gone. Hesson is visibly pushing the players out of their comfort zone.
They don't seem to have the character to bounce back from adversity.
Heeson is definitely one of the best head-coaches going around, who understands the modern requirements of white-ball cricket. Pakistan is lucky to have him.
 
They don't seem to have the character to bounce back from adversity.
Heeson is definitely one of the best head-coaches going around, who understands the modern requirements of white-ball cricket. Pakistan is lucky to have him.
Character has to be built. If a person thinks he doesn't need to improve or evolve, then that will cause his downfall. Babar and Rizwan were given way too much leeway without anyone challenging them to come out of their comfort zone.
 
Knocks like these earn respect from your comrades and your country
It's a shame we couldn't see him perform to his fullest. After all even Agha knows he's been given too much to handle by PCB :vk2 and must do his solemn duty to return the mantle to Babar
 
His downfall arc starts today. He is a half-decent player but he has greatly benefited from the agenda against Babar and Rizwan.

He has done nothing to earn a leadership position and he should enjoy his little honeymoon because this drama will end soon, and the same people who project him as a savior today will be the ones hurtling abuses at him in a few months.

Agha would have have had a long and decent career for Pakistan if PCB didn’t force him into a leadership role and just allowed him play as a regular player.
 
His downfall arc starts today. He is a half-decent player but he has greatly benefited from the agenda against Babar and Rizwan.

He has done nothing to earn a leadership position and he should enjoy his little honeymoon because this drama will end soon, and the same people who project him as a savior today will be the ones hurtling abuses at him in a few months.

Agha would have have had a long and decent career for Pakistan if PCB didn’t force him into a leadership role and just allowed him play as a regular player.

I am sure you are totally wrong as you have not given any argument in support of what you claim.

His inning against Afghanistan in the previous match is enough to give the final verdict that he is a better player than both Rizwan and Babar in the middle order.

And he was rightly given the responsibilities of captaincy. There is no one other more deserving than him.
 
I am sure you are totally wrong as you have not given any argument in support of what you claim.

His inning against Afghanistan in the previous match is enough to give the final verdict that he is a better player than both Rizwan and Babar in the middle order.
Salman Agha has done nothing in his career so far to be made captain. What captaincy credentials does he have?

Does he have a lot of international matches under his belt? No

Is he a successful PSL captain? No

He has just found himself in the right place at the right time because PCB have an axe to grind against Babar and Rizwan, and it’s not because he earned it on merit. He is what you call an accidental captain.

I am OK with him playing as a batsman. He is not some world class player but is useful like Hafeez and Malik, and when you look at the alternative options like Iftikhar and others, he is better than them so he deserves to be in the team.

However, Pakistani fans know how to put a player on a pedestal before throwing him down.

The same fans who have hyped him up as some revolutionary leader who will usher a new era of T20 cricket will start insulting him soon and this will impact his place in the team too.

If Babar, Rizwan and Shaheen could fall from grace in just a couple of years, who is Agha? His popularity and stardom will never reach what those players experienced until 2023.

This captaincy drama is likely to ruin his career because once he is sacked and gets on the wrong end of PCB’s wrath, his career will be over.

If this whole captaincy experiment didn’t happen and PCB didn’t force him down the fans’ throats as the new face of Pakistan cricket, he would have had a longer and more successful career.

In Pakistan cricket, the quicker you and higher you rise, the quicker and harder you fall.
 
If Babar, Rizwan and Shaheen could fall from grace in just a couple of years, who is Agha? His popularity and stardom will never reach what those players experienced until 2023.

The biggest difference between Bab/Riz and Agha is this that he was the only one among them who IMPROVED his game. And this is the main reason why he earned respect.
 
Salman Agha has done nothing in his career so far to be made captain. What captaincy credentials does he have?

Does he have a lot of international matches under his belt? No

Is he a successful PSL captain? No

He has just found himself in the right place at the right time because PCB have an axe to grind against Babar and Rizwan, and it’s not because he earned it on merit. He is what you call an accidental captain.

I am OK with him playing as a batsman. He is not some world class player but is useful like Hafeez and Malik, and when you look at the alternative options like Iftikhar and others, he is better than them so he deserves to be in the team.

However, Pakistani fans know how to put a player on a pedestal before throwing him down.

The same fans who have hyped him up as some revolutionary leader who will usher a new era of T20 cricket will start insulting him soon and this will impact his place in the team too.

If Babar, Rizwan and Shaheen could fall from grace in just a couple of years, who is Agha? His popularity and stardom will never reach what those players experienced until 2023.

This captaincy drama is likely to ruin his career because once he is sacked and gets on the wrong end of PCB’s wrath, his career will be over.

If this whole captaincy experiment didn’t happen and PCB didn’t force him down the fans’ throats as the new face of Pakistan cricket, he would have had a longer and more successful career.

In Pakistan cricket, the quicker you and higher you rise, the quicker and harder you fall.
Talent will keep you up there. Sadly it's severely lacking in Pakistani cricketers these days. They are better off rotating the captaincy to a player who is in form in a particular year, and make their job to follow instructions of the coach onfield. Let the coach be the one incharge and take the heat like it is in football. As soon as the captain loses form which inevitably they will, replace them with someone else.

Pakistani cricketers are not talented nor intelligent enough to be trusted with full responsibilties of being a captain in the traditional sense.
 
The biggest difference between Bab/Riz and Agha is this that he was the only one among them who IMPROVED his game. And this is the main reason why he earned respect.
And what makes you think Agha will keep up his form?

He is no AB De Villiers either. Sooner or later, he will hit a rough patch too and then watch his career sink.

Pakistan cricket is just brutal, and the higher you climb, the harder you fall.
 
And when Agha fails, the same clowns online will just find someone else to call their father. The cycle will continue
 
he is trying to play attacking cricket with right mindsets because he has solid techniques. That's good sign for Pakistan cricket .

Today he was out due to lazyness . He has bright future ahead in all three formats

:kp
 
And what makes you think Agha will keep up his form?

He is no AB De Villiers either. Sooner or later, he will hit a rough patch too and then watch his career sink.

Pakistan cricket is just brutal, and the higher you climb, the harder you fall.

Mamoon, these are your ASSUMPTIONS only. You cannot discard a player solely on your assumptions.

What if Agha improves himself even better as we saw in the inning against Afghans in the first T20?
 
Mamoon, these are your ASSUMPTIONS only. You cannot discard a player solely on your assumptions.

What if Agha improves himself even better as we saw in the inning against Afghans in the first T20?
I am not saying that he should be discarded. I have said many times that I am OK with him being in the team when you look at his own half-decent performance and the competition.

However, he has done nothing to merit a leadership position. He doesn’t deserve to be the captain and PCB will die on this hill soon and he will also be a casualty.

If PCB didn’t want Rizwan to be T20I captain because they don’t think he fits into the team which he definitely does when you look at Haris’ performance, then the obvious choice for T20I captaincy was Shaheen, the 3x PSL winning captain.

It seems like winning the PSL as captain means absolutely nothing to the PCB. Shaheen can literally do nothing more to earn the T20I captaincy. He 100% deserves it ahead of Agha.
 
I am not saying that he should be discarded. I have said many times that I am OK with him being in the team when you look at his own half-decent performance and the competition.

However, he has done nothing to merit a leadership position. He doesn’t deserve to be the captain and PCB will die on this hill soon and he will also be a casualty.

If PCB didn’t want Rizwan to be T20I captain because they don’t think he fits into the team which he definitely does when you look at Haris’ performance, then the obvious choice for T20I captaincy was Shaheen, the 3x PSL winning captain.

It seems like winning the PSL as captain means absolutely nothing to the PCB. Shaheen can literally do nothing more to earn the T20I captaincy. He 100% deserves it ahead of Agha.


Shaheen is still very young and there is nothing wrong in letting him mature more in the domestic circuits.

Do you see any fault in captaincy of Agha?

What we see is a selfless captain, who only thinks about the team. I am full of praise of Agha as a captain. The team is united under him and every one respects him.

While Shaheen was promoting himself as a captain in the top order almost.
 
Shaheen is still very young and there is nothing wrong in letting him mature more in the domestic circuits.

Do you see any fault in captaincy of Agha?

What we see is a selfless captain, who only thinks about the team. I am full of praise of Agha as a captain. The team is united under him and every one respects him.

While Shaheen was promoting himself as a captain in the top order almost.
Shaheen has far more international experience than Agha and he has won the PSL thrice as captain, the only player to do so. What more maturity do you want?

Surely, LQ winning PSL after PSL under his leadership must have something to do with his leadership style. It can’t just be because he has the right team. Why can’t PCB see that and let him tap into this qualities in international cricket?

I don’t mind a selfish captain if he wins stuff and Shaheen does, at least at the PSL level. All I am asking is give him an opportunity to showcase if he can or cannot replicate it at the international level.

If Shaheen fails as a T20 captain at the international level, hold him accountable and feel free to sack him and move towards Agha.

However, it is completely absurd and unjustifiable why Agha got a proper crack at the role before Shaheen did when he has done absolutely nothing to deserve being pushed ahead of him in the queue.

I am, of course, discounting that one series farce in 2024 where Naqvi made him captain for one series in NZ and then decided to sack him which was a crazy thing to do and I really respect Shaheen for turning up for Pakistan after that humiliation.

A lot of players with fragile egos would have retired after that disrespect but Shaheen put the country first.
 
he is trying to play attacking cricket with right mindsets because he has solid techniques. That's good sign for Pakistan cricket .

Today he was out due to lazyness . He has bright future ahead in all three formats

:kp
But he is trying to ape Surya tryng to hit everything to fine leg. I don't think he has the skill to consistently execute that.
 
But he is trying to ape Surya tryng to hit everything to fine leg. I don't think he has the skill to consistently execute that.
What on earth is this post? He is trying to do what he believes will net him maximum result, nowhere does that mean he is copying Suryakumar.

This post is as bad as you claiming this team is filled with 7-8 legside tullas.
 
Shaheen is still very young and there is nothing wrong in letting him mature more in the domestic circuits.

Do you see any fault in captaincy of Agha?

What we see is a selfless captain, who only thinks about the team. I am full of praise of Agha as a captain. The team is united under him and every one respects him.

While Shaheen was promoting himself as a captain in the top order almost.
Absolutely correct. Agha is a proper team man who is trying to accommodate as per team's requirements. As a captain he is showing full confidence on his players instead of promoting himself. I am sure he will get better with time & experience. Pakistan has lost matches against Zimbabwe, USA, Afghanistan, Ireland, Bangladesh when Babar & Rizwan were there. So there is no issue if they loose 1-2 games like that
 
But he is trying to ape Surya tryng to hit everything to fine leg. I don't think he has the skill to consistently execute that.
While I understand the reference given that Surya looks like an ape, I don’t think any batsman who hits sixes over fine leg is aping the ape.

This shot was not invented by him. Besides, he is a resounding failure against Pakistan, so no Pakistani batsman needs to be impressed by what he does.
 
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