http://cricviz.com/2017/06/match-analysis-amirs-three-wickets/
An important match is a match where it's a final, in a jam packed stadium of an ICC event where you are out of your comfort zone. GOAT chaser has choked many times chasing in meaningful games when the platform hasn't been set and/or he's out of his comfort zone. I used to give him the leeway for handling bowlers in T20s but I can't no more since T20s simply are nowhere near as pressure filled as ODIs. The same arguments against AB and Amla must also be used for the 'GOAT'.
Because ODI cricket has much more following. An ODI tourny>>>T20 tourny.
Because ODI cricket has much more following. An ODI tourny>>>T20 tourny.
The CT final had over 1 billion people watching...no wonder Kohli failed
Hahaha, you think you're slick twisting my words.So going by your argument ... there were was no pressure at all in the 1992 S/F , Final because the no.of viewers was not even half of the World T20 knock out matches in India last year ...
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It is my belief that fans/ people's biases is in man's very constitution, so much so that it is impossible for the fans to give up the biases until he give up on cricket altogether. As long as Virat plays, the struggle will (must?) go on, and so long we fans must have a side to chose. Thus we see so many polarizing opinions regarding Kohli. It is bewildering observation; but it is not, as many of us might think, a vain speculation. Amidst this chaos there is harmony - people with moderated opinions, throughout these discordant sounds/opinions there is a note of concord; and he who is prepared to listen to it can be deemed as a true cricket fan.
Kohli is not entirely useless against seam/swing for many technically inferior batsman than Virat have had better record than him against such genre of bowling. To use such a metric to negate his greatness is nothing but more of labile and subtle form of a will to straggle the euphonical fans whom I symbolised earlier, to chose sides. It would be irrelevant exercise by me to mention his stats or any other otiose numbers one can rummage to big up or diss him as they don't necessarily give us true picture. From the most learned professor to prattling baby, we are told that greatness is the manifestation of impact, and that it is useless to trouble ourselves about questions of the beyond. So much is this case that is has become a truism.
While the world is busy choosing the sides regarding which polarizing opinion they want to side with, here I am, residing comfortably somewhere between, the greatest of all time and Okaish batsman who is good when conditions favour him.
Not so sure about that now
Hahaha, you think you're slick twisting my words.
There's many factors, viewership is just one of those. The 92 Final was much much bigger than the World T20 as it was a proper world cup where limited over tournaments were a very unfrequent thing which in itself made it more intense and 100x times more pressure filled.
Just accept that your modern day amazing, better than olden day cricket, non dinosaur team flopped on the grand stage and mr GOAT may not be mr GOAT after all
I'm not talking about Sharjah Cups and 3 cup tourneys and whatnots. I'm talking about ICC Events i.e. world cups, Asia cups and the like. Tests are not viewed much, any sane cricket fan can agree the same and in those days there were a lot more test tourneys....in tests, people like Hashim Amla are legendary but we've seen how he is in ICC tournaments so it's a null and void argument bringing irrelevant tourneys to the discussion.Twisting your words ? I used them AS-IS but against you ... so now lets look at your next excuse ... rarity of events in 90s as compared to now ... do you realize that in this decade we have actually played less ODI's and ofcourse less multi team tournaments. Even including T20Is . Link --> http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...tournament_type=3;tournament_type=5;type=team
Now let me guess your next excuse : Pakistans Rivalry with NZ and Eng in 1992 was much higher than say rivalry against India in 2007, 2011, 2012, etc....
Yes, that's the only match Kohli has fired in which had some meaningful contribution. The GoAt has one chase which even then is an Asia cup which altho more important that Sharjah cups and whatnot has nothing on the CT, let alone the World Cup... Accept Goat isn't the goat [yet?] and all this argument will be done.you may not know this or pretend to not know this but the fact is that in the 80s and 90s these tournaments were very popular which is why they played soo many ODIs in that era. Go take a look at how many ODIs were played in Sharjah bewteen 1980-2000 and comapre it to now ... you will get the idea. So the rest of your post is meaningless.
Speaking of Asia Cups perhaps you have forgotten this --> http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/535798.html
Try and watch a India-Aus match once in a while to actually know what pressure is .... just because Aus don't take Pakistan seriously doesnt mean it is the same with others.
Do you know how many centuries Kohli hit on his one Aus tour? I doubt most of our batsmen hit that many in their entire career there.[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] what do you make of Virat Kohli? you rarely say much on cricket these days, I suppose it will be a while until the next interesting Test series come on the telly
Haha the same Indo Aus matches where you see the same Rohit Sharma bleeding blue and scoring 200s with the same Kohli gunning scores down while James Faulkner whacks his countrys fastest 100... Or the same Indo Aus matches where you have mr Lyon suddenly becoming Muralitharan...yeyeye so so pressure filled
Sorry brother nothing personal. No doubt you are a wonderful poster but we all know there is a trollish side of yours and I think you went over the board with this thread.
If its indeed a genuine thread then what can I say. A players's stats say all about his success.
Bhai bought in Asia Cup because that is still a tournament, just not on the level of the CT and WC. Would you disagree with me here??? Virats 183 was a good innings, no doubt...but stakes, conditions and attack were nothing compared to the current CT Pak and generally other attacks like 2015 WC Aus where he choked embarrasingly.bhai you were the one to bring up Asia Cup into the discussion ... now why are you crying ?
You pick any format ... Unless you closely follow Ind-Aus rivalry you will not know the numerous epic encounters between the 2 teams. Kohli already has 4 test hundreds in Aus including a 4th inngs 100.
. You're making me argue so much that it sounds like I got a personal agenda vs Kohli...I do not, I just want you to accept that GOAT isn't GOAT, is that so hard ?
Bhai bought in Asia Cup because that is still a tournament, just not on the level of the CT and WC. Would you disagree with me here??? Virats 183 was a good innings, no doubt...but stakes, conditions and attack were nothing compared to the current CT Pak and generally other attacks like 2015 WC Aus where he choked embarrasingly.
lol haha, once again please tell me how those ridiculous ODIs were in any way a rivalry. I remember everyone was annoyed at how ODIs just became a slogfest in those meaningless bilaterals where like I said, Faulkner was smashing 100s with ease and you're WC Sharmas were scoring 200s. Those 4 test hundreds were scored on the flattest Aus conditions in years, if he could do it on the pitches that were provided for South Africa I may have given him some slack, however regardless it has nothing to do with pressure anyway.
The proper pressure game was Ind vs Aus 2015 WC...we saw what happened there
lol haha, once again please tell me how those ridiculous ODIs were in any way a rivalry. I remember everyone was annoyed at how ODIs just became a slogfest in those meaningless bilaterals where like I said, Faulkner was smashing 100s with ease and you're WC Sharmas were scoring 200s.
Those 4 test hundreds were scored on the flattest Aus conditions in years, if he could do it on the pitches that were provided for South Africa I may have given him some slack, however regardless it has nothing to do with pressure anyway.
The proper pressure game was Ind vs Aus 2015 WC...we saw what happened there
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Once again I mentioned Asia Cup as it's more important than a Sharjah cup and oh please, tests pressure is different. You keep ignoring what I say, if test pressure equates to ODI pressure then Hashim Amla will also be a GOAT player as he's miles better than goat in tests. A premier ICC ODI event has the most pressure in cricket, the only innings of note for Kohli is 183, that too in a meh Asia Cup but using the same bakwas logic most people like you do, he's a better player now so why isn't he capable of replicating it when he's 'entering the peak of his prime'?Its not my problem that you now suddenly change your mind ... you metioned Asia cup you got a response to that ... its pretty obvious why you are crying now and trying to make excuses to discredit Kohli's perormances in Asia cup.
So basically everytime Kohli does well its because there is no pressure at all and the pitch is flat ... if he failed in the same series it was because there was suddenly pressure in those innings ... got it mast logic hai. And ofcourse based on your theory there can be no pressure at all in T20s .
To sum up ... you probably believe that shooting a arrow on a wall and then circling the hit point to claim a bullseye is a valid legitimate way to win a archery competition
. goat is also a brilliant player but a goat? meh. I've been hearing for the last 3 years, ever since those Aus tests, that goat will rectify his poor record in important ODI games or in games where balls deviate but I've yet to see him prove otherwise. 
The way he shut down to chase his 50 was embarrassing. He was set and looking good. Rahul was in and under pressure, he could have taken pressure off and hit boundaries to put Aus on the back foot rather than let them dictate and take full control.
I can't believe that, don't you think kohli & rahul on crease and boundary came after almost 20 overs? That hundred this hundred and that fifty doesn't matter at all now. Kohli is also statpadding today.
Kohli was playing nicely before out .india were 140/3 after 26 over and on the way of scoring 300 .
Kohli was the set batsmen. No excuse for him not being to hit some boundaries to put pressure on the Aussies rather than letting them get away with 3 an over from the part timers. It was truly pathetic. In fact the only boundary in their partnership came from Rahul..
For God's sake, how you can justify that? Only 5 boundaries in 11-50 overs? It was kohli who was leading with KL, i can bet kohli instructed KL to play slow because they dont want to loose any more wickets. Kohli knew after current pair no one is enough trustworthy, so it was kohli who goes in to shell. 80 odd in first 10 overs, next 40 overs 160? For me kohli is culprit today but as usual no indian fan will accept that reality because 765 runs in tournament cover him up nicely.
Kohli 54(63) he was getting single double easily but from other end rahul was not even rotating strike. This is same like 2014 world t20 final where virat was scoring freely but yuvi was played dots after dots. Has Kohli stay like rahul india would have scored 280+ easily .Rahul innings lost the match for india not virat . people who are baished against virat for certain reason alway try to undermine him so nothing new.
Kohli was out in 27th over why you not understand that ? Kohli scored 54 of 63 balls which is not bad at all. Problem was Kohli out at the wrong time after rahul suck all the momentum and india lost the plot .
As usual you will not accept that, i have one question for you.
When you only getting one two ball to play every over becouse other person dont even rotate the strike ,no one can do anything .
If you remember we had discussion regarding indian middle order in some other thread, i told you IND have only one weakness which is no power hitter in down order after unfortunate pandyas exist, now see yourself what happened when you have unreliable batsman like SkY and jadeja, that's the issue what make kohli and KL so much cautious because kohli knew after him and KL, all are not trustworthy thats the point where kohli goes in to the shell thats true.
