WICB should not select players who are not playing in the World Cup Qualifiers

[Shafi]

The title says it all. Some of these WI players prefer these franchise leagues ahead of national duty. They should select players who was supporting them in their bad times.

 

[shaz619]

I was actually thinking about this topic watching Sunil Narine bowl while his team are left in the dark having to qualify after being humiliated, there are plenty of T20 leagues around the world and Sunil has made decent money and am sure he'd have plenty of chances in the future to play league cricket but he along with others should ideally be representing a very demoralised West Indies team and not leave them for dead. But the situation is a little more complex and the relationship between the board and the players hasn't been the best, but at the same time it makes me sad to see WI's left on their own; it's not about their 2nd string team being good enough or up and coming talent doing the job in order to help the West Indies qualify but it's about pride and honour.

As for the OP, am not sure that they should be banned from playing for the WI's again because you want the best XI to represent them in the WC but I don't think it should be an easy road back into the side at the same time when others have been doing the heavy lifting while they been playing league cricket.

 

[WengerOut]

WI being only a cricket nation and not a real nation means that Players might not feel patriotic enough to help .

 

[AFM]

I'm pretty sure they weren't selected hence their availability for leagues.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Russell and Narine refused selection and gave their respective reasons which WICB accepted.
(Narine: not comfortable and fluid enough with his remodeled bowling action
Russell: Not in ready yet to play ODIs again after the long ban)

Personally speaking, Russell's reason makes sense but Narine has been using the same bowling action for over 2 years now and bowling pretty well in T20s, so his reason sounds pretty ridiculous to me.

Dwayne Bravo was not picked as he said a few weeks back that he is unlikely to play for WI again and the selectors considered this as his retirement.
Pollard prefered PSL over Qualifiers.
Darren Bravo also picked PSL over Qualifiers.
Sammy has been an outcast since WT20 2016 and is unlikely to represent WI again (which is sad).
Simmons, Fletcher, Pooran, Badree etc were not selected.
It is speculated the Pollard, Bravo and Badree prefered PSL over Qualifiers because they were not offered Central Contracts by WICB.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

I'm pretty sure they weren't selected hence their availability for leagues.

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/sports/20180126/quartet-snub-west-indies-selectors

Actually they skipped the WCQ for the PSL

Chief selector Courtney Browne said in a statement, he had reached out to Pollard, Narine, Russell, and Bravo, but they had opted to play in the Pakistan Super League, which bowls off on February 22 and runs alongside the World Cup qualifying tournament from March 4-25.

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] [MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION] what do you guys feel about the situation

 

[MMHS]

The title says it all. Some of these WI players prefer these franchise leagues ahead of national duty. They should select players who was supporting them in their bad times.

Opposite actually - WICB is the most corrupt & incompetent cricket boards around; vindictive as well.
Black dominant WICB ignored Sarwan at 30, within a year of scoring 700+ in a Series against ENG - that time there was no PLs or SLs.

What they want is players to be their slaves - it's the T20 Franchise players who has some say (because they have other ways of making money), often gets into tango with WICB. And, they have appointed the coolest guy as Captain - Holder, the perfect yes man. Darren Sammy was too raw to handle.

In this qualifier, Gayle & Lewis is playing, while they didn't call Bravo, who was willing to play. Sr. Bravo, Russell, Pollard & Narine has close to $1mn contract from IPL and they are well paid at BPL, CPL, Nat West, BBL - they won't have bothered for PSL, had they been called for WI. But, these players won't swing their tail at WICB's whistle - so, they are ignored.

WI doesn't represent any nation. Previous generation was inspired by their heroes of colonial days and there was a fellow feeling of togetherness (every nation was ruled by UK). Mostly in 60s & early 70s, these Islands earned their independence - but that team was still together and dominant, hence that unity lasted for 2 more decades. My building supervisor here is a Barbadian, around 55-56; 6'2"+ and HUGE corpse, well over 100Kg. Guy plays club cricket in weekends and he is quite good at club level even now. He said that before coming to Canada (he came in 1987), he was a pro cricketer in Barbados and couldn't make their FC team because of the competition (so true) - at 23-25, when he finally gave it up & came to Canada, he was good enough to make current WI side!!!!! Might be true as well - guy often clears 100 metres with standing hits & can take the ball up to to WK's nose from 6/7 step run-up .... at 55+

He has an unreal & very frank HATE for Brian Lara - he won't leave any space for bashing him. Because (in his words), the Trinidadian guy was extremely biased (racist) to black west Indians (Jamaicans, Barbadians, Antiguans, Leeward/Windward Islanders) players, ousted both Walsh & Adams from WI team and brought his friends - particularly he never gave chances to Barbadians & Jamaicans. This might be true to some extent, because under Lara, for the first time WI played a Test without any Barbadian in XI. BUT, he appreciates Lara as a player better than Sobers (that's the highest compliment for a cricketer can get from a Barbadian), still that hate - this actually tells me that West Indies concept is not going to work. ICC can make 3 teams from WI (Jamaica, Barbados, Trinidad) and allow other players (small Islanders, Guyanese players) to join one of the 3 teams.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] [MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION] what do you guys feel about the situation

Apart from their bowling selection, they are heading in the right direction.

 

[Markhor]

[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] [MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION] what do you guys feel about the situation

[MENTION=141227]BunnyRabbit[/MENTION] has summed it up well. Russell has a valid reason as he's suffered a long layoff. Narine however has been "working on his action" for the last four years so I don't buy that excuse. Pollard was supposed to feature in the NZ T20s but suddenly pulled out at the last minute due to personal reasons.

Both Bravos had a massive falling-out with the WICB, with Dwayne not playing a List A match in three years and Darren launching legal action against the board after the "Big Idiot" tweet directed at the Chairman. Badree will not get a white ball contract unless he makes himself available for 50 over, not just 20 over cricket. So the Trinis are all out of the picture.

Thing is the WICB did declare an amnesty last summer and tried to reach out to the rebel players. There are new faces in the Board with Jimmy Adams and Johnny Grave. Gayle and Samuels weren't even offered white ball contracts but still made themselves available for national selection by playing the domestic 50 over competition, a precondition for selection. The others preferred to play in leagues which is their wont.

WICB's past failures to compromise and Chairman Dave Cameron's dictatorial behaviour has meant so much trust has been lost but its a shame those guys didn't take that opportunity. Ultimately, that sense of pan-Caribbean unity after the colonial era has eroded and these younger guys probably care more for their individual island nations.

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=141227]BunnyRabbit[/MENTION] has summed it up well. Russell has a valid reason as he's suffered a long layoff. Narine however has been "working on his action" for the last four years so I don't buy that excuse. Pollard was supposed to feature in the NZ T20s but suddenly pulled out at the last minute due to personal reasons.

Both Bravos had a massive falling-out with the WICB, with Dwayne not playing a List A match in three years and Darren launching legal action against the board after the "Big Idiot" tweet directed at the Chairman. Badree will not get a white ball contract unless he makes himself available for 50 over, not just 20 over cricket. So the Trinis are all out of the picture.

Thing is the WICB did declare an amnesty last summer and tried to reach out to the rebel players. There are new faces in the Board with Jimmy Adams and Johnny Grave. Gayle and Samuels weren't even offered white ball contracts but still made themselves available for national selection by playing the domestic 50 over competition, a precondition for selection. The others preferred to play in leagues which is their wont.

WICB's past failures to compromise and Chairman Dave Cameron's dictatorial behaviour has meant so much trust has been lost but its a shame those guys didn't take that opportunity. Ultimately, that sense of pan-Caribbean unity after the colonial era has eroded and these younger guys probably care more for their individual island nations.

I know these fellas have had issues with the board in the past but I remembered you and a couple of others posting about how a couple of changes have been made at the WICB HQ, that trust may have been lost but they should have welcomed the renewed effort to improve relationships for the betterment of West Indian cricket. These rebels are not setting the best example for young West Indian prospects either, there is no sense of patriotism at all. It seems like this is going to be the future of West Indian cricket, a bunch of god forsaken mercenaries

Gayle , Samuels and Russell should be considered for the World Cup, screw the rest. Narine can continue working on his action.