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Will India ever have a tearaway pacer like Shoaib Akhtar, Dennis Lillee , Ambrose, Brett Lee, Starc

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India has produced genuine fast bowlers like Kapil Dev, Srinath, Zaheer, Shami, Ishant, Yadav, Aaron, Bumrah but till now India has not produced someone at the extreme end of pace , someone like Akhtar, Brett Lee, Shane Bond , Lillee etc.

Someone who can put a lot fear in the opposition line up.

Someone who can turn a match on its head with a crazy stump shattering spell.

Someone who can turn up in WC semi or final saying alright today i am going to win this for you by myself. I don't need support I am going to destroy them today single handedly. There is going to be no mercy.

Some who can make our captain so spoilt that he will issue death warnings to opposition batsmen right in the middle lole Clarke issued death warning to English batters in Ashes.

I want to live till the day this dream of mime becomes true.

I am envious of Pakistanis who have produced two and one such bowlers on Shoaib and Waqar. Pakistan has proved that even Asian genes have can produce such athletes.
 
India has a population of 1.3 billion.Indians are mad about cricket so it is possible they will find someone with the right physical build.India’s first fast bowler was Srinath. Kapil was a medium pacer.He was very accurate though.
 
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Mohammed Siraj, Mohammed Shami has potential. Zaheer Khan was the best left arm seamer for India even Irfan Pathan had potential when he first started his career. Siraj with proper beefing up materials will look scarry good.
 
Hate to play spoilsport but IMHO, the era of fast tearaway pacers is over.

Just look at how many impactful, fast pacers the world has seen since Shoaib Akhtar retired. Hardly any. And this is in spite of all the money, facilities and efforts the big 3-5 sides are putting into the game.

Truth be told, the era of fast tearaway pacers came to a close with the end of uncured pitches and the advent of strict rules against ball tampering by the ICC. Not saying that the fast bowlers of the earlier era were cheats but they were quite considerably helped by doing things to the ball when not being noticed.

The future then, belongs to medium to fast bowlers who rely on variation and helpful pitches which support pace and bounce.

As an Indian supporter, I would be happier if we produced more Jasprit Bumrahs and Mohammed Shamis, than the likes of Shoaib Akhtar, Brett Lee or Andy Roberts.
 
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There are maybe only 2,4 bowlers at max in the cricketing world currently who can produce a once in a blue moon spell of average around high 140s in test cricket.

So world cricket as a whole is lacking tear away fast bowlers and I dont think any of the upcoming gen Indian pacers is going to fall into that category as well based upon what I have seen. However, bowlers consistently in high 130s, 140s and few balls in mid 140s kph is more than enough to get wickets if you know how and where to ball.
 
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Ashraful_Rox said:
Mohammed Siraj, Mohammed Shami has potential. Zaheer Khan was the best left arm seamer for India even Irfan Pathan had potential when he first started his career. Siraj with proper beefing up materials will look scarry good.
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I am not a very knowledgeable fan I am just a normal fan watching cricket.

Zaheer Khan I hated him the first over he bowled he leaked runs.
Irfan Pathan no impact as a bowler as far as a normal fan is considered
Shami is injury prone and his personal life controversy lost respect on him as a player
I like Siraj as he is from Hyderabad (my home town)

It looks like your bias is not based on skills but names.

There are far better bowlers India was fortunate to have then and now.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
India has produced genuine fast bowlers like Kapil Dev, Srinath, Zaheer, Shami, Ishant, Yadav, Aaron, Bumrah but till now India has not produced someone at the extreme end of pace , someone like Akhtar, Brett Lee, Shane Bond , Lillee etc.

Someone who can put a lot fear in the opposition line up.

Someone who can turn a match on its head with a crazy stump shattering spell.

Someone who can turn up in WC semi or final saying alright today i am going to win this for you by myself. I don't need support I am going to destroy them today single handedly. There is going to be no mercy.

Some who can make our captain so spoilt that he will issue death warnings to opposition batsmen right in the middle lole Clarke issued death warning to English batters in Ashes.

I want to live till the day this dream of mime becomes true.

I am envious of Pakistanis who have produced two and one such bowlers on Shoaib and Waqar. Pakistan has proved that even Asian genes have can produce such athletes.
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This is a very small class of tear away fast bowlers: some Australians (e.g. Thomson, Lillee, Brett Lee, etc.), some West Indians (Marshall, Roberts, etc.), some Pakistanis (Shoaib, Sami, Waqar), some New Zealanders (Tait, Bond).
 
srh said:
This is a very small class of tear away fast bowlers: some Australians (e.g. Thomson, Lillee, Brett Lee, etc.), some West Indians (Marshall, Roberts, etc.), some Pakistanis (Shoaib, Sami, Waqar), some New Zealanders (Tait, Bond).
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Tait was bad, but not bad enough to be stripped off his Australian citizenship.
 
Shoaib Akhtar, Brett Lee , Shane Bond, Shaun Tait ... Who else in the modern era ?

Would Adam Milne, Wahab Riaz, Allan Donald qualify ?
 
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freelance_cricketer said:
India has produced genuine fast bowlers like Kapil Dev, Srinath, Zaheer, Shami, Ishant, Yadav, Aaron, Bumrah but till now India has not produced someone at the extreme end of pace , someone like Akhtar, Brett Lee, Shane Bond , Lillee etc.
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Believe it is a matter of time before we get one or more of them. Maybe by 2025
 
the question is will pak ever get another shoaib?

i doubt it, tearaways thrived on flat dry pitches with reverse swing. two new balls killed reverse in odis. and no teenager now is going to risk their bodies to become a tearaway test bowler.

in t20s, given tiny grounds and massive bats, pace can be a liability. its not till u get to 101, 102 mph that batsmen in baseball actually start to really struggle with pure pace, and given a heavier cricket ball, no bowler will ever consistently bowl that pace to bring pace into t20 like it is a factor in baseball.

so i don't think we'll see a consistent 95+ tear away like shoaib, or lee.
 
I think likes of Shoaib are very rare as we don't see many bowlers consistently bowling 90mph+ consistently from start to finish of their career.

Whatever happened to Atul Sharma?
 
There can be many express bowlers in the world but very few have skill. Shoaib was an extremely skilful bowler along with his pace - that is why he was always relevant in the matches he played.

Most of the quicks these days only think about self preservation. If you want to reach the speeds of shoaib and Lee you have to be able to have the guts to go all out even in test matches. Most of these overly pampered new generation only go flat out in t20s.
 
gani999 said:
How about that kid, Naseem Shah? Do you think he has what it takes to become Pakistan's next tearaway pacer?
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theres a stiffness to his body i find worrying. im guessing he was quicker when he was younger, and as hes gotten older, had injuries and stifferend up.

would need full time support from a physical therapist and a personal trainer, work on stretching routines, strengthen lower back and legs but ive never seen him bowl 95+ consistently, so i think his ceiling would be around the 90 mark.
 
Just a humble request to all, that please do not dampen my dreams.

I still remain hopeful before dying I will see a special Indian fast bowler who will be ultra quick and win us a world cup single handedly by blowing the opposition away in the SF, Final

Let's keep it positive please
 
Srinath did bowl at a very high pace for one part of his career. However, the current Indian pace bowlers have the quality and also the pace that can trouble almost any batsman. I don't miss a 155+ fast bowler at all.
If a bowler can bowl a few spells in the 144ish-148ish range, maintaining the length and line, that is good enough for me. And we have such bowlers.

Btw, Donald or Ambrose were not in that category of bowlers. Donald would hit 150's but not as consistently. Pace wise, there was nobody like Shoaib.
 
Pace wise there was always Shoaib vs Lee debate. Shoaib and Lee were close very close. There was great rivalry. Today I don't see any jazba junoon on new bowlers. No one is exciting, Akhtar was the most exciting fast bowler of our generation. I don't think we will see another Akhtar or Lee in the next 20 years. Bowlers are so soft nowadays.
 
At the moment Dushmantha Chameera from Srilanka is quicker than anyone India has, let alone a Shoaib or a Lee.
 
ethan hunt said:
At the moment Dushmantha Chameera from Srilanka is quicker than anyone India has, let alone a Shoaib or a Lee.
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Thankfully, a pacer's quality is not determined by his pace alone. Else Naseem Shah would've been asia's best bowler..
 
ethan hunt said:
At the moment Dushmantha Chameera from Srilanka is quicker than anyone India has, let alone a Shoaib or a Lee.
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Really impressed.

Unfortunately he will never get reward on Asian surface unless he learns reverse swing.
 
Pace is over-rated if the ball doesn't reverse.

Nowadays, people like Colin De Grandhomme can rip through batting lineups operating at speeds of a spinner, so it really doesn't matter.

Plus, the bigger issue is that batsmen are much better in terms of innovative shots. You can bowl a delivery at 96mph but if you aren't accurate, all it takes is a little dab for you to go to the boundary.

That's why Pakistan has struggled with its bowling recently, there are too many brainless 90mph bowlers who lack any sort of control.

India are doing fine with the bowlers they have, they just need to make good plans in the powerplay to take wickets, because they are horrific when bowling in the powerplay. I'm not convinced with Bhuvneshwar Kumar, because he should be bowling much better with the new ball than he is at the moment.
 
Yes but not until they really put their mind to it. They will have plenty of great batsmen though.
 
Yes one day they will. They have cricket academies mushrooming around and cricket has become a good career sport now.

Don’t go by the past history please.
For a youngster to break into national team, enough competition exists among the batting and spinners so express pace is the way to go. Someone will break through the ranks eventually
 
OMB said:
Yes one day they will. They have cricket academies mushrooming around and cricket has become a good career sport now.

Don’t go by the past history please.
For a youngster to break into national team, enough competition exists among the batting and spinners so express pace is the way to go. Someone will break through the ranks eventually
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Thanks for your positive words.

It means a lot to us Indian Cricket Fans
 
I doubt anyone will want to become a tearaway fast bowler for Indian team these days. However chances of them running as fast(> 100mph) as they can after IPL money are pretty good. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
I doubt anyone will want to become a tearaway fast bowler for Indian team these days. However chances of them running as fast(> 100mph) as they can after IPL money are pretty good. :inti
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Deterioration of genetics is a factor not many are willing to discuss because of Food mafia lobby.
 
This thread has not been that entertaining! Where's all my angry brethren?

I personally would just love fast bowlers could enough to win India a test series in England.......
 
mastimasti said:
This thread has not been that entertaining! Where's all my angry brethren?

I personally would just love fast bowlers could enough to win India a test series in England.......
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Have already done once. Zak was the hero of that series win. :inti
 
Should have included Mitchell Johnson, still haven't seen any other bowlers in my time ending careers like he did back in the Ashes. Ended careers of Johnathon Trott, Ian Bell, Matt Prior, Graeme Swann, Monty Panesar, Carberry, Kevin Peterson. I seriously saw fear in the eyes of the batsmen. That Mitchell Johnson Ashes spell will never forget :akhtar
 
mastimasti said:
This thread has not been that entertaining! Where's all my angry brethren?

I personally would just love fast bowlers could enough to win India a test series in England.......
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Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Have already done once. Zak was the hero of that series win. :inti
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You can win a test series in England wish Bhuvneshwar Kumar and Abbass like trundlers for as long as the batting shows some guts to put on the runs.

A A tearaway fast bowler is a trump card literally. Not a guarenteed match winner but someone you can utilize strategically to take advantage.

Shoaib Akhtar single handedly won Pakistan the famous ODI series in Ausralia in 2002. His spells came as a surprise to the Aussies.

Brett Lee and Starc have won crucial world cup matches for Australia on their own.
 
fast bowling is not all about pace

saying that, Indian cricket mindset and many other factors do not support pace bowling.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
You can win a test series in England wish Bhuvneshwar Kumar and Abbass like trundlers for as long as the batting shows some guts to put on the runs.

A A tearaway fast bowler is a trump card literally. Not a guarenteed match winner but someone you can utilize strategically to take advantage.

Shoaib Akhtar single handedly won Pakistan the famous ODI series in Ausralia in 2002. His spells came as a surprise to the Aussies.

Brett Lee and Starc have won crucial world cup matches for Australia on their own.
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Akhtar also almost single handedly beat ENgland the best side in 2006.

But Zak was great for us in...2007 I think it was?
 
mastimasti said:
Akhtar also almost single handedly beat ENgland the best side in 2006.

But Zak was great for us in...2007 I think it was?
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Pakistan were thrashed in 2006 and Shabby didn't even play that series.

You know nothing about cricket. Don't you ever quote me again.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Pakistan were thrashed in 2006 and Shabby didn't even play that series.

You know nothing about cricket. Don't you ever quote me again.
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Pakistan won in 06...but I am of course talking about the series in Pak (edit: just realised this was tail end of 05).

My point still stands considering I mentioned Akhtar's importance you should have realised which series I was discussing.
 
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We had many great fast bowlers but they didn't help us win more than 1 World Cup due to lack of utilizing brain. Our batsmen are limited in talent but our fast bowlers are clueless when opposition batsmen want to charge on them. India had Prasad, Srinath .... but they were more intelligent than even Waqar. They knew their limitation but they overcame that by using intelligence and bowl according to pitch or match situation.
 
No country will produce tear away fast bowler anymore. People want to extend their career in T20 leagued to earn more money, an option that was not there during Akthar/Lee/Ambrose time. No one wants to bowl 95mph consistently and burn themselves out.

Also, if 83 mph does the job for you...why would you want to put extra strain and throw a cricket ball at 95mph anyway?
 
Rajdeep said:
No country will produce tear away fast bowler anymore. People want to extend their career in T20 leagued to earn more money, an option that was not there during Akthar/Lee/Ambrose time. No one wants to bowl 95mph consistently and burn themselves out.

Also, if 83 mph does the job for you...why would you want to put extra strain and throw a cricket ball at 95mph anyway?
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Have to agree with this. They wouldn't want to risk their career by bowling fast like Akhtar, Bond and Lee did. :inti
 
Is the wait still on?????

Where is the IPL money heading or are they waiting for an AI bowler to clock 162KPH.

On a side note Lee was the luckiest tearaway pacer to have the company of Warne & McGrath
 
Why would anyone want to be a tearaway fast bowler, with a short shelf life, in a country that has IPL?

There is no way India is ever producing a tearaway fast bowler
 
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