Will Mickey Arthur's honest words about players backfire on him?

[saeed5646]

Mickey is too much vocal about the players in his recent 2 interview in which he openly critize both wahab and kamran akmal .i think he should have not make public statement about players .Pakistan test team recent performances have been questionable and tough tour of england is ahead if we loss the test series media and lobbying of the players will not spare him and he might find hemself on the hot seat
I will be more than happy if my each and every words proven wrong

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Love Mickey's honesty.

 

[AFM]

Mickey has successfully rebuilt our white ball teams. The general public watches those more than Tests. I'm sure he holds more power with the media than some dropped players who are living off from a performance years ago.

 

[Fast Bowler]

Everything in Pakistani cricket backfires. It's just a matter of time.

Very fine line between hero and villain.

 

[saeed5646]

Mickey has successfully rebuilt our white ball teams. The general public watches those more than Tests. I'm sure he holds more power with the media than some dropped players who are living off from a performance years ago.

I support mickey but these thing should not be shared on media it should be done behind the door

 

[AFM]

I support mickey but these thing should not be shared on media it should be done behind the door

Who's to say he hasn't talked to Wahab about it before? Sometimes a public lashing is needed.

 

[rhony]

Usually press conferences are held by the chief of selectors and then a justification is given for selecting or dropping a player. Mickey can provide his assessment to the selectors and even the player but in the background. These public comments will give an illusion of a tough master and can get some browny points for the coach but there is absolutely no necessity. What will Wahab gain from the public insult?

 

[saeed5646]

Who's to say he hasn't talked to Wahab about it before? Sometimes a public lashing is needed.

Indeed but wahab is best performer in test format from last year or so
what is the justification will he give if the other replacement of wahab fail miserbly in england
Putting too much pressure on himself and the other guys who will replace him

 

[Syed1]

Honestly Mickey gets a lot of flak from the media and the "experts".... his neck is on the line everytime the team steps out on the field. Therefore I don't blame him for being very opinionated about certain players. Mickey should be completely satisfied with the fifteen that are given to him. If a player that gets selected due to media pressure or some connections, does not perform, or worse directly results in a Pakistani defeat the blame will be placed squarely on Mickey Arthur.


If my day job involves hammering nails all day and I have been given a dodgy hammer by my boss I would be very annoyed too.

 

[Savak]

Wahab was the best Pakistani bowler on the tour to Australia. He did better than Amir against Sri Lanka in the UAE. Wahab did better than Amir against England in England and provided crucial breakthroughs in the final test which played a key role in our win.

I don't mind tough love but merit dictates Amir should be given the same tough love.

 

[badsha001]

I support mickey but these thing should not be shared on media it should be done behind the door

What's the point though, don't you remember all the leaks happened in PCB... Like Micky approach, if reports are gonna leak in media might as well say directly to media.

 

[Saj]

As I wrote in the other thread.

Mickey's honesty and opinions are a breath of fresh air and there is no way that player power will succeed while Mickey is head coach.

However I am sure that some players will be running to PCB and complaining about Mickey's comments and the PCB will be massaging the egos of those players.

 

[barah_admi]

Mickey has been a controversial figure his whole career and butted heads with players in other international sides he has coached, so it is only a matter of time before it happens in Pakistan.

 

[Darkrai]

When you don't criticize players in open you get cases like Shehzad and Akmal. This sends a message to everyone, if you are not fulfilling your role in the team then you are out. Look at what happened to Waqar. Waqar wasn't able to change the team because he wasn't strict enough. He didn't set guidelines. He wasn't able to control players like Mickey does.

Those who are saying Wahab did well and shouldn't be dropped, like Mickey said when was Wabah ever good enough to win us a test match? 3 or 4 wickets aren't good enough to win you a match. He is 32, if can't he perform well at this age then when will he? Decent performance here and there are not good enough.

People who are saying Mickey will be in trouble if new players don't perform well, so what? Is he not suppose to give young bowlers a chance? Are we suppose to stick with older players just because we are afraid that younger bowlers might fail? what nonsense.

I think what Mickey is doing is for the best of Pakistan cricket. It's no coincidence that Pakistan has become such a good fielding side under Mickey. Our batting has improved as well. The right players are being dropped and the right one are being selected. This is the time to change the culture for the better, and Mickey is the guy to do it.

 

[Asif321]

rather than being diplomatic its good he is telling what we need and what you lack straight on your face
no drama

 

[Savak]

As I wrote in the other thread.

Mickey's honesty and opinions are a breath of fresh air and there is no way that player power will succeed while Mickey is head coach.

However I am sure that some players will be running to PCB and complaining about Mickey's comments and the PCB will be massaging the egos of those players.

Don't think so. Najam Sethi fully backs Mickey Arthur and there is no one powerful than Sethi right now given his track record, achievements and connections.

 

[Savak]

When you don't criticize players in open you get cases like Shehzad and Akmal. This sends a message to everyone, if you are not fulfilling your role in the team then you are out. Look at what happened to Waqar. Waqar wasn't able to change the team because he wasn't strict enough. He didn't set guidelines. He wasn't able to control players like Mickey does.

Those who are saying Wahab did well and shouldn't be dropped, like Mickey said when was Wabah ever good enough to win us a test match? 3 or 4 wickets aren't good enough to win you a match. He is 32, if can't he perform well at this age then when will he? Decent performance here and there are not good enough.

People who are saying Mickey will be in trouble if new players don't perform well, so what? Is he not suppose to give young bowlers a chance? Are we suppose to stick with older players just because we are afraid that younger bowlers might fail? what nonsense.

I think what Mickey is doing is for the best of Pakistan cricket. It's no coincidence that Pakistan has become such a good fielding side under Mickey. Our batting has improved as well. The right players are being dropped and the right one are being selected. This is the time to change the culture for the better, and Mickey is the guy to do it.

You have to have replacements first. If anything this whole thing should have been directed at Amir.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Mickey has been a controversial figure his whole career and butted heads with players in other international sides he has coached, so it is only a matter of time before it happens in Pakistan.

He has full support of captain. As long as our captain is in good terms with Mickey, he will do fine.
From listening to Mickey's interview i get a feeling that he rates Sarfraz as his fav/best captain under his coaching. Luckily our captain doesn't have a big ego.

 

[Square Drive]

Love his approach. Brilliant.

 

[Darkrai]

You have to have replacements first. If anything this whole thing should have been directed at Amir.

Well you have give players chances so they can prove themselves, otherwise if we only go by domestic performance then there are replacements. Amir is a lot younger than Wabah plus he's suppose to have more potential. Amir has lost his wicket taking skills due to 5 years of not bowling but there is still hope in management and the fans that Amir will live up to his potential. That isn't the case with Wahab. Wahab is the senior, like Mickey said he has been around for a long time yet he hasn't been able to deliver match winning performance. So why not give youngsters a try if your experienced bowler isn't getting the job done.

 

[Hasan123]

You have to be honest. Our players need to not be so sensitive . Mickey said if you perform, you will play.

 

[Savak]

Talking about performance, what the heck happened to Imran Khan? He has the best stats out of all our pacers but he has been dropped because Mickey feels his pace is not good enough?

 

[Savak]

Well you have give players chances so they can prove themselves, otherwise if we only go by domestic performance then there are replacements. Amir is a lot younger than Wabah plus he's suppose to have more potential. Amir has lost his wicket taking skills due to 5 years of not bowling but there is still hope in management and the fans that Amir will live up to his potential. That isn't the case with Wahab. Wahab is the senior, like Mickey said he has been around for a long time yet he hasn't been able to deliver match winning performance. So why not give youngsters a try if your experienced bowler isn't getting the job done.

Amir has been playing for 2 years now, 3 if we include domestic cricket as well so the rust should have long been off. He himself is complaining about too much cricket these days so he has had more than enough time to sort out his bowling and his wickets column.

 

[moghul]

I don;t think his comments about Wahab were honest, probably it was an excuse to get in Inzi's home town boy Rahat in.

When it comes to test cricket Riaz has been our best fastman over some times now. He has been and still is the fittest and bowl long spells in test with sustained pace and gives us 3-4 wicket in an inning regularly, particularly in 2nd inning. He is not very accurate , so not very good choice in white ball cricket but deserves to be in tests.

 

[Darkrai]

Amir has been playing for 2 years now, 3 if we include domestic cricket as well so the rust should have long been off. He himself is complaining about too much cricket these days so he has had more than enough time to sort out his bowling and his wickets column.

Yea, i'm not saying they are right in having faith in Amir but i feel that's the case. Otherwise Amir has been average in ODIs as well barring once in a year performance.

 

[CricketingMinds]

Most of the posters here on PP were unhappy with Wahab after CT and wanted him out.

Remember the embarrassing no-ball/failed run up episode vs SL in the previous series?

I like what Mickey is doing. And most folks on PP should be happy! HE IS GETTING RID OF TTFs! This is what everyone here cried about.... No Hafeez, No Shahzad, No Wahab

Remember how our team transformed in CT once wahab and Shahzad got dropped/got injured ?

Regarding Mickey being public: isn't that good? Isn't that we as fans deserve to know? We deserve transparency... We deserve to know who has a good work ethic and who is a slacker...

Think of it as if u r running a company and these Pakistani players are your employees (an analogy). Wouldn't you want to retain your best employees: who perform, who show they are motivated, who put in the hard yards, who go the extra mile? And you wouldn't want slackers right? Or employees who arent performing to their potential despite so many chances and experience.
When your experienced employee becomes complacent you gotta take an action and find a new, young, motivated employee who is willing to go the extra mile.

Now why Mickey publicly said this? Well again same analogy:
A CEO owes justification and honesty to its shareholders (in this analogy.. We.. As fans are the shareholders who have invested in Mickeys company). If my CEO (Mickey) isn't honest with me, then I'd not trust him to do the right thing.

 

[Abdul]

Can't wait for them to backfire.

 

[emm-tee]

As I wrote in the other thread.

Mickey's honesty and opinions are a breath of fresh air and there is no way that player power will succeed while Mickey is head coach.

However I am sure that some players will be running to PCB and complaining about Mickey's comments and the PCB will be massaging the egos of those players.

Lucky for us, the Akmals and Shahzads are history and thankfully there aren't a lot of people running to PCB now.

 

[kamz]

Most of the posters here on PP were unhappy with Wahab after CT and wanted him out.

Remember the embarrassing no-ball/failed run up episode vs SL in the previous series?

I like what Mickey is doing. And most folks on PP should be happy! HE IS GETTING RID OF TTFs! This is what everyone here cried about.... No Hafeez, No Shahzad, No Wahab

Remember how our team transformed in CT once wahab and Shahzad got dropped/got injured ?

Regarding Mickey being public: isn't that good? Isn't that we as fans deserve to know? We deserve transparency... We deserve to know who has a good work ethic and who is a slacker...

Think of it as if u r running a company and these Pakistani players are your employees (an analogy). Wouldn't you want to retain your best employees: who perform, who show they are motivated, who put in the hard yards, who go the extra mile? And you wouldn't want slackers right? Or employees who arent performing to their potential despite so many chances and experience.
When your experienced employee becomes complacent you gotta take an action and find a new, young, motivated employee who is willing to go the extra mile.

Now why Mickey publicly said this? Well again same analogy:
A CEO owes justification and honesty to its shareholders (in this analogy.. We.. As fans are the shareholders who have invested in Mickeys company). If my CEO (Mickey) isn't honest with me, then I'd not trust him to do the right thing.

yes the analogy is right, just that shareholders have invested with their money. Not all fans do! we see matches through free streaming, or follow on cricinfo majority - that is why stadiums are empty and the trps arent high hence broadcasters not willing to pay a high amount for pakistan matches

secondly, not every shareholder has a say! only the ones who have a significant stake!. Some one who holds one share technically does own the business, but he doesnt get to say anything or even make any difference neither do minority interest as a whole!

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

There's a difference between being candid and abusing your power. I agree with everything he has to say about Wahab but there's no real need to make sure everyone in the nation knows about what's going on in Mickey's head. Wahab was the concerned individual here, so just let the guy know personally.

 

[babajee]

Wahab’s a nice guy. He won’t mind.

 

[Darkrai]

There's a difference between being candid and abusing your power. I agree with everything he has to say about Wahab but there's no real need to make sure everyone in the nation knows about what's going on in Mickey's head. Wahab was the concerned individual here, so just let the guy know personally.

Last time Mickey had a personal chat with a player that player ended up on tv claiming to be a victim. The media did what they do best, creating more drama. With these unprofessional Pakistani players i guess Mickey felt this was the way to handle it. It's nothing that public wasn't aware of, everyone know Wahab hasn't been great for idk how many years now. Mickey didn't insult Wahab, he just said Wahab hasn't been able to deliver the required performances. Dropping a players means exactly what Mickey said, he only said it to public so they don't create more drama.

 

[MeanAndGreen]

Can't wait for them to backfire.

Really? So you want the team to fail?

 

[Markhor]

Most of the posters here on PP were unhappy with Wahab after CT and wanted him out.

Remember the embarrassing no-ball/failed run up episode vs SL in the previous series?

I like what Mickey is doing. And most folks on PP should be happy! HE IS GETTING RID OF TTFs! This is what everyone here cried about.... No Hafeez, No Shahzad, No Wahab

Remember how our team transformed in CT once wahab and Shahzad got dropped/got injured ?

Regarding Mickey being public: isn't that good? Isn't that we as fans deserve to know? We deserve transparency... We deserve to know who has a good work ethic and who is a slacker...

Think of it as if u r running a company and these Pakistani players are your employees (an analogy). Wouldn't you want to retain your best employees: who perform, who show they are motivated, who put in the hard yards, who go the extra mile? And you wouldn't want slackers right? Or employees who arent performing to their potential despite so many chances and experience.
When your experienced employee becomes complacent you gotta take an action and find a new, young, motivated employee who is willing to go the extra mile.

Now why Mickey publicly said this? Well again same analogy:
A CEO owes justification and honesty to its shareholders (in this analogy.. We.. As fans are the shareholders who have invested in Mickeys company). If my CEO (Mickey) isn't honest with me, then I'd not trust him to do the right thing.

Well said, Arthur's methods, backing of youth and insistence on high standards is a breath of fresh air. He has shut the door on TTFs like Kamran Akmal, Umar Akmal, Mohammad Hafeez, Ahmed Shehzad and Wahab Riaz. People were crying out for a coach to make these moves for years, yet people are still complaining.

 

[Savak]

People rightfully wanted Wahab out of the ODI and T-20 squads as he was surplus to requirements. But no one wanted him out of the Test squad where he was most needed.

 

[rhony]

Most of the posters here on PP were unhappy with Wahab after CT and wanted him out.

Remember the embarrassing no-ball/failed run up episode vs SL in the previous series?

I like what Mickey is doing. And most folks on PP should be happy! HE IS GETTING RID OF TTFs! This is what everyone here cried about.... No Hafeez, No Shahzad, No Wahab

Remember how our team transformed in CT once wahab and Shahzad got dropped/got injured ?

Regarding Mickey being public: isn't that good? Isn't that we as fans deserve to know? We deserve transparency... We deserve to know who has a good work ethic and who is a slacker...

Think of it as if u r running a company and these Pakistani players are your employees (an analogy). Wouldn't you want to retain your best employees: who perform, who show they are motivated, who put in the hard yards, who go the extra mile? And you wouldn't want slackers right? Or employees who arent performing to their potential despite so many chances and experience.
When your experienced employee becomes complacent you gotta take an action and find a new, young, motivated employee who is willing to go the extra mile.

Now why Mickey publicly said this? Well again same analogy:
A CEO owes justification and honesty to its shareholders (in this analogy.. We.. As fans are the shareholders who have invested in Mickeys company). If my CEO (Mickey) isn't honest with me, then I'd not trust him to do the right thing.

When a CEO fires an employee they don't announce it to the rest of the company why exactly they fired him. All of your earlier points about getting rid of TTFs are right but there is no need for public humiliation especially when you need them in UAE

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

People rightfully wanted Wahab out of the ODI and T-20 squads as he was surplus to requirements. But no one wanted him out of the Test squad where he was most needed.

He won't be that useful in the UK. But yes he will be needed in the UAE against Aus and NZ.

Hopefully this is Mickey trying to motivate him to work harder. We need his pace in the UAE.

 

[Pete Rose]

Yes, when results are bad or when he drops the fan favorite players.

 

[moghul]

If you need a 8-10 overs spell of sustained pace in tests, Wahab will be missed. Can you tell any fast bowler in Pakistan who fitter and pacier ?

 

[sjahmed23]

In every other sport coach has the highest authority. Only in Pak cricket do we see players being more powerful than coaches due to media connections. But I think Mickey has studied our culture well and knows how to deal with our players. He is particularly right about Wahab and even Afridi once said he needs a tandi (stick) once in a while.

 

[Saj]

Don't think so. Najam Sethi fully backs Mickey Arthur and there is no one powerful than Sethi right now given his track record, achievements and connections.

There is more than one person at the PCB.

Chief Selector is influential too.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Someone should compile all of Arthur's statements about discarded Pak players

So far off the top of my head:

1) Difficult to pick hafeez as only a batsman if he cant bowl (not in our plans for world cup)
2) Kamran is a good batsman, but Sarfraz is our keeper and Kami cant field, so we cant pick him
3) Wahab hasnt won a series for us in two years
4) Apparently said some abusive words to junior akmal

IMO Mickey is already our best coach since woolmer

 

[Itachi]

I would say good intention but poor execution.

Unprofessionalism at its best.

 

[Mirpur express]

Couldn’t find a better man for the job but the model town gang don’t like him...

 

[Syed1]

I love how Mickey's first order of business was to sideline Model Town Gang of Five



And our team performance has skyrocketed ever since they were booted out.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Couldn’t find a better man for the job but the model town gang don’t like him...

I love how Mickey's first order of business was to sideline Model Town Gang of Five



And our team performance has skyrocketed ever since they were booted out.

I wouldn't necessarily be celebrating just yet! The Model Town Gang have a lot of goons who show up as 'experts' on certain TV shows and spew racist nonsense

And since a certain TV channel is a direct sponsor of a certain PSL team they're all out in full force right now!

Wait till we lose or even wobble a bit in the next few games, I won't be surprised calls for sacking will emerge!

 

[Greenstorm]

All the top sports anchors on different channels are against Mickey for some reason. A few losses in LOIs and Mickey's job will be in danger.

 

[IndianFan2018]

All the top sports anchors on different channels are against Mickey for some reason. A few losses in LOIs and Mickey's job will be in danger.

Curious question, channel anchors really have so much power in Pak to force coach sacking?

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

All the top sports anchors on different channels are against Mickey for some reason.

Welcome to Pakistani media.
When agendas and ratings have higher priority than National interest

The are not nanhay bachay to not know k players like Shehzad are v.mediocre but kya karain masala to lagana hai wrna rating kaisay milay gi

 

[Greenstorm]

Curious question, channel anchors really have so much power in Pak to force coach sacking?

They play with the public emotions and try to channel it against anyone they want. Chairman of PCB is appointed by the government so there is always some pressure on Chairman to please public and his masters to save his seat in such situations.

 

[Greenstorm]

Welcome to Pakistani media.
When agendas and ratings have higher priority than National interest

The are not nanhay bachay to not know k players like Shehzad are v.mediocre but kya karain masala to lagana hai wrna rating kaisay milay gi

I think it has lot more to do than just masala and ratings. I think some of our national cricketers regularly feed these anchors some information from dressing rooms and team meetings. Basically some of these players which are defended by these anchors are there sources. You scratch my back and I scratch yours is what is going on.

 

[IndianFan2018]

They play with the public emotions and try to channel it against anyone they want. Chairman of PCB is appointed by the government so there is always some pressure on Chairman to please public and his masters to save his seat in such situations.

Hmm... Interesting. Don't think anyone in India cares what our news Anchors say about cricket related stuff. Only respected ex cricketers like SRT, Dada, VVS, Dravid can have some say, but finally decesions are finalised by only BCCI/CoA, media doesn't have much influence here.

 

[Greenstorm]

Hmm... Interesting. Don't think anyone in India cares what our news Anchors say about cricket related stuff. Only respected ex cricketers like SRT, Dada, VVS, Dravid can have some say, but finally decesions are finalised by only BCCI/CoA, media doesn't have much influence here.

Your media is too busy on other agendas.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

I think it has lot more to do than just masala and ratings. I think some of our national cricketers regularly feed these anchors some information from dressing rooms and team meetings. Basically some of these players which are defended by these anchors are there sources. You scratch my back and I scratch yours is what is going on.

There comes the agenda part

 

[IndianFan2018]

Your media is too busy on other agendas.

Atleast BCCI/CoA use their own mind unlike PCB

 

[Saj]

I hope he continues to say it how it is and ruffle a few more feathers.

Egos are being removed one by one thanks to Mickey who is taking no nonsense from these 'superstars'.

 

[waleed88]

Mickey is right to target Wahab Riaz. He has this ridiculous moustache patting celebration that is supposed to make him some reincarnation of Mitchell Johnson, and to do that after every game, even despite seeing the team almost facing certain defeat.. ridiculous, I would just ban Riaz for just celebrating like that... some bowlers have really taken these celebrations to the extreme..

Its as if having a characteristic celebration will get you in the side, just because Raees and Hassan Ali did it and got in

Riaz is making a fool of himself in showing this youthful immaturishness to his bowling... he is a fine bowler but needs to start acting like a grown up that he is

 

[EliteCynical]

I love how Mickey's first order of business was to sideline Model Town Gang of Five



And our team performance has skyrocketed ever since they were booted out.

Very curious to know who they are and what is the context.Assuming model town is a place somewhere. Thanks

 

[emm-tee]

Very curious to know who they are and what is the context.Assuming model town is a place somewhere. Thanks

Place in Lahore.
Gang is, I beleive:
- shehzad
- u akmal
- k akmal
- s butt/hafeez?
- w riaz

 

[mastersaan10]

Criticize the second best bowler in the test team and undo all the spells that turned matches in UAE. Amir is a big failure in tests in UAE and wahab is a certain starter in UAE but Micky is happy losing to sri Lanka by playing only 1 spinner

 

[EliteCynical]

Place in Lahore.
Gang is, I beleive:
- shehzad
- u akmal
- k akmal
- s butt/hafeez?
- w riaz

Ah! Thanks for the info.

 

[Pete Rose]

Maybe he wants to be fired

 

[Saj]

Maybe he wants to be fired

Far from it.

He loves the job and wants to continue in the role.

He feels his work has only just started.