Will Pakistani Cinema be able to overcome Bollywood in coming years?

[BleedGreen]

PS: This is not a Pak v India thread or a hate thread. So keep it civil.

Most Pakistanis and Indians agree that:

Bollywood movies are copied, are usually unrealistic and over-the-top.

There are many Pakistanis and some Indians who also agree that:

Pakistani dramas are very realistic and are much better than Indian soaps.

With the revival of Pakistani Cinema, where the directors/actors from the Pak dramas themselves are now moving on to films, can Pakistan see a booming film industry? Can they eventually end up competing with Bollywood or even overcoming it?

 

[dildilpak]

PS: This is not a Pak v India thread or a hate thread. So keep it civil.

Most Pakistanis and Indians agree that:

Bollywood movies are copied, are usually unrealistic and over-the-top.

There are many Pakistanis and some Indians who also agree that:

Pakistani dramas are very realistic and are much better than Indian soaps.

With the revival of Pakistani Cinema, where the directors/actors from the Pak dramas themselves are now moving on to films, can Pakistan see a booming film industry? Can they eventually end up competing with Bollywood or even overcoming it?

I dont what Bollywood movies u might have seen, but have seen really good realistic movies from Bollywood in the last few years. You should check out directors like Dibakar Banerjee, Anurag Kashyap, some Motwane guy, Vishal Bharadwaj, Some Dhulia guy etc....Even though I am a Canadian-American, I grew up on Bollywood movies (thanks to film-crazy parents!!) and can say that the quality of Bollywood movies is really improving lately

Apart from the Pakistani films like Waar, Khuda ke liye, Bol, Dukhtar and a couple more, the rest are pure crap Recently saw the over-hyped Bin Roye and that was seriously a very crappy movie. Looking fwd to more realistic movies like Shah.

I dont watch Indian serials at all (heard they are really crappy) but have seen few Pakistani serials - found that apart from Dastaan, Zindagi Gulzar Hai etc the rest have similar themes - second marriage, cousin marriages, religious themes or children marrying without parental consent etc - they maybe realistic but almost all are similar and very predictable.

Pakistani films must really step-up budget wise and story-wise to reach a wider audience to beat Bollywood. In an age when Bollywood itself is improving, it will be hard to beat it, but good stories will help Pakistani films reach a bigger audience

P.S. Just an honest assessment.

 

[endymion248]

Bollywood movies are copied, are usually unrealistic and over-the-top.

You forgot about the movies that try to be different so they hit you with a hammer over the head with their basic message. It's a trap that pakistani movies fall in too. Subtlety is an under-rated art.

 

[shaz619]

Not sure if they will be bigger then Bollywood but can potentialy surpass Indian Cinema when it comes to quality. The Pakistani Dramas are so much better in general, the Indian ones were really good until the mid-2000's.

 

[Sachin136]

Commercially Pakistan cinema can not come close to Bollywood because of India's population (which leads to higher viewership).

I disagree about the comments on Bollywood movies being unrealistic, copied etc though. People see a few bad Bollywood movies and start generalizing all the films as being the same. Especially in the past few years the quality of films has increased tremendously. Agreeably there are some terrible films almost every year. But that doesn't mean all of them are bad.

 

[ddss]

No. But the recent movies to come out of Pak is a good sign that there is potential for a distinct cinematic industry. The #1 thing Pakistan films need right now is more cinemas, which can only be achieved if people show that they enjoy watching movies and thus a businessman can make that investment.

I hope Pakistani dramas tap into the other 50% market of Pakistan (males).

 

[MSaad1237]

If Pakistani movies can only just win the Pak market back, then It'd be great.


Competing with Bollywood? Nah! not in the next 10 or so years mate .

 

[11ShadyBrothers]

You cant link Pakistani drama industry with the movie industry. Pakistan's drama industry is better than India hands down. However, when the same actors from the drama's silver screen move towards the movie screen they SUCK so bad. Some pakistani movies like main hoon shahid afridi try to copy bollywood as well. The point is that thankfully we have three quality movies in Moor, Khuda Kei Liye and Bol in such a short span. India with its huge industry has only made very less quality movies. For them its quantity and the financial resources. I think in terms of quality we might even exceed them but before that happens we need to have movie quality actors. The failure of bin roye is a testament to the fact that TV actors cant always work on the movie screen.

 

[Vayuu]

You cant link Pakistani drama industry with the movie industry. Pakistan's drama industry is better than India hands down. However, when the same actors from the drama's silver screen move towards the movie screen they SUCK so bad. Some pakistani movies like main hoon shahid afridi try to copy bollywood as well. The point is that thankfully we have three quality movies in Moor, Khuda Kei Liye and Bol in such a short span. India with its huge industry has only made very less quality movies. For them its quantity and the financial resources. I think in terms of quality we might even exceed them but before that happens we need to have movie quality actors. The failure of bin roye is a testament to the fact that TV actors cant always work on the movie screen.

Then u should watch, lunch box, kahaani, ship of thesus, ugly, udaan, lootera, vicky donar, oh my god, special 26, English vinglish,gangs of wasseypur(1 and 2), mountain man, pan singh tomar to name a few, while movies like udta punjab are the ones I am waiting for.

 

[11ShadyBrothers]

Then u should watch, lunch box, kahaani, ship of thesus, ugly, udaan, lootera, vicky donar, oh my god, special 26, English vinglish,gangs of wasseypur(1 and 2), mountain man, pan singh tomar to name a few, while movies like udta punjab are the ones I am waiting for.

Very few in the sea of mediocre movies.

 

[Vayuu]

The problem with indian serial is they start with promise but fades away coz of longitevity, there are few serial which are focusing on subjects like stammering, widows, child labour, illiteracy let see how they pan out.

 

[Vayuu]

Very few in the sea of mediocre movies.

This are few that comes to my mind, and it's not that every hollywood movie that comes out is Ben hur,the thing is very few wants those serious acting movies, in the end after all the hectic life schedule, what you want is to see a family entertainer or a comedy, or tharki like me want to see those sexy movies, it's not that I don't like these serious movie, but you go there for fun, to entertain, by the way shady I recommend you to watch miss lovely and lunch box, and if you are a fan of Punjabi films than nothing beats carry on jatta, you will laugh very hard watching that movie

 

[#GreenRoars]

Yes, and really want this. Pakistani cinemas should only play Pakistan movies as there are movies coming now. It will benefit country too. And i hope, old days will come sooner, when cinemas were packed to watch Pakistani movie

 

[AlphaFighter]

Will India ever allow good Pakistani films to release full scale in India?

 

[Rishikesh]

Not sure if they will be bigger then Bollywood but can potentialy surpass Indian Cinema when it comes to quality. The Pakistani Dramas are so much better in general, the Indian ones were really good until the mid-2000's.

Bollywood and Indian cimena are not same, I think in India there are 15 or 16 film industries which produces quality films every year, There are also many film festivals held in different parts of country every year which screens only quality films, actors and directors from various countries including Pakistan attend these film festivals regularly.

 

[Deosai]

Yes, it's cause we got better looking actresses and the best part is, they're all pure Pakistanis, native to Pakistan unlike most Indian actresses who are mixed race or have foreign ancestries

 

[Deosai]

Bollywood and Indian cimena are not same, I think in India there are 15 or 16 film industries which produces quality films every year, There are also many film festivals held in different parts of country every year which screens only quality films, actors and directors from various countries including Pakistan attend these film festivals regularly.

Pakistan also has regional film industries, but the Urdu one is the national one similarly Bollywood is what represents India, nobody cares about your regional movie scenes

 

[Rishikesh]

Pakistan also has regional film industries, but the Urdu one is the national one similarly Bollywood is what represents India, nobody cares about your regional movie scenes

Lol Bollywood is not our national film industry it's just part of Indian cinema industry, it's the reality

 

[niishaa]

Indian dramas have been hugely popular in pakistan for a very very long time and it is only recently that there has been a dip in the viewership and emergence of pakistani dramas. It is not just bollywood but indian dramas that are responsible for the cultural invasion/dominance of india over pakistan. It is well documented that beacause of these dramas , indian saris, bangles and even sindoor ki dhibbi is hugely popular among pakistani women. Indian tv actors have a very good following in pakistan.One pakistani writer had written that he was afraid that when he died his family would cremate him acc to hindu rites such was the effect of indian serials. Even pakistani dramas have been heavily influence by indian dramas. Apart from one or two serials most follow the same pattern of family dramas.

 

[Deosai]

Lol Bollywood is not our national film industry it's just part of Indian cinema industry, it's the reality

No Bollywood is what the world thinks of India, it's what represents India, it's unofficially your national film industry

 

[Rishikesh]

Indian dramas have been hugely popular in pakistan for a very very long time and it is only recently that there has been a dip in the viewership and emergence of pakistani dramas. It is not just bollywood but indian dramas that are responsible for the cultural invasion/dominance of india over pakistan. It is well documented that beacause of these dramas , indian saris, bangles and even sindoor ki dhibbi is hugely popular among pakistani women. Indian tv actors have a very good following in pakistan.One pakistani writer had written that he was afraid that when he died his family would cremate him acc to hindu rites such was the effect of indian serials. Even pakistani dramas have been heavily influence by indian dramas. Apart from one or two serials most follow the same pattern of family dramas.

How Bollywood and Indian dramas became so popular in Pakistan. In India Bollywood films don't even release in some states due to fear of low collection.

 

[Rishikesh]

No Bollywood is what the world thinks of India, it's what represents India, it's unofficially your national film industry

It's the perception of some people who don't have any idea about India's diversity

 

[niishaa]

How Bollywood and Indian dramas became so popular in Pakistan. In India Bollywood films don't even release in some states due to fear of low collection.

Well Currently bollywood movies are shown in most of the pakistani theatres in fact this revival of pakistani film industry(because of which this thread exists) is largely credited to bollywood . In the past i think pirated copies of the movies were smuggled across the border. dramas are were shown in local channels just like today pakistani dramas are being shown in zee zindagi channel.

 

[Deosai]

Indian dramas have been hugely popular in pakistan for a very very long time and it is only recently that there has been a dip in the viewership and emergence of pakistani dramas. It is not just bollywood but indian dramas that are responsible for the cultural invasion/dominance of india over pakistan. It is well documented that beacause of these dramas , indian saris, bangles and even sindoor ki dhibbi is hugely popular among pakistani women. Indian tv actors have a very good following in pakistan.One pakistani writer had written that he was afraid that when he died his family would cremate him acc to hindu rites such was the effect of indian serials. Even pakistani dramas have been heavily influence by indian dramas. Apart from one or two serials most follow the same pattern of family dramas.

Saris,bangles and sindoor are very rare in Pakistan let alone hugely popular, you won't find anybody wearing that stuff over here.

Indian soaps were only popular in Pak between 2000-2008 for over the last 5 years Pakistani dramas have dominated, so its not recent and Pakistani dramas were always popular here even in the old times, there was only a small phase of Indian invasion and we're over it, then there was the brief Turkish invasion.

I wouldn't say Indian soaps influence the Pakistani ones, not the recent ones at least. Pakistani soaps have their own pattern, the family pattern has been followed since the 70s, it's not new and it's followed all over the world, it isn't an Indian thing. Recently I've noticed a bit of a Turkish influence in Pakistani shows, like in the show title and the credits and stuff cause of the small Turkish wave that happened a couple years ago.

 

[Deosai]

Well Currently bollywood movies are shown in most of the pakistani theatres in fact this revival of pakistani film industry(because of which this thread exists) is largely credited to bollywood . In the past i think pirated copies of the movies were smuggled across the border. dramas are were shown in local channels just like today pakistani dramas are being shown in zee zindagi channel.

Indian shows were broacasted and still are broadcasted on Indian channels illegally for a long time, only recently some Pak TV channels starting buying the rights to air them, but they also air Turkish and Spanish shows dubbed in Urdu

 

[11ShadyBrothers]

This are few that comes to my mind, and it's not that every hollywood movie that comes out is Ben hur,the thing is very few wants those serious acting movies, in the end after all the hectic life schedule, what you want is to see a family entertainer or a comedy, or tharki like me want to see those sexy movies, it's not that I don't like these serious movie, but you go there for fun, to entertain, by the way shady I recommend you to watch miss lovely and lunch box, and if you are a fan of Punjabi films than nothing beats carry on jatta, you will laugh very hard watching that movie

I actually love when Bollywood makes adult comedy movies like Delhi belly and Grand masti ( one of the best). I have heard about miss lovely and lunch box and i have put both on download. You on overall terms cannot compare Hollywood and Bollywood. The former is waaay too superior in terms of quality.

 

[11ShadyBrothers]

Yes, and really want this. Pakistani cinemas should only play Pakistan movies as there are movies coming now. It will benefit country too. And i hope, old days will come sooner, when cinemas were packed to watch Pakistani movie

I dont think they should ONLY play pakistani movies. I am for freedom of choice. No restrictions, please.

 

[11ShadyBrothers]

Indian dramas have been hugely popular in pakistan for a very very long time and it is only recently that there has been a dip in the viewership and emergence of pakistani dramas. It is not just bollywood but indian dramas that are responsible for the cultural invasion/dominance of india over pakistan. It is well documented that beacause of these dramas , indian saris, bangles and even sindoor ki dhibbi is hugely popular among pakistani women. Indian tv actors have a very good following in pakistan.One pakistani writer had written that he was afraid that when he died his family would cremate him acc to hindu rites such was the effect of indian serials. Even pakistani dramas have been heavily influence by indian dramas. Apart from one or two serials most follow the same pattern of family dramas.

Pakistani dramas dominated the scene till 2000s when cable networks and Star Plus / Sony India came to Pakistan. Pakistani viewers including me grew up watching dramas like Son Pari, Shararat, Shaka Laka Boom Boom and this continued till 2010-11 where the viewership starting dipping massively. It happened mainly because quality entertainment Pakistani channels came to fore as our industry finally realized that they can do entertainment too other than news channels. From there in, even star plus got banned for a while as well. So, now. The switch has been almost complete towards Pakistani dramas. You are a bit correct in saying that pakistani dramas are heavily influenced by indian dramas and that happened only in earlier times when Geo TV started hiring production teams from India. It has stopped now. Dramas like Humsafar etc. are purely Pakistan based. The trend has became opposite now. Now, people in india have started watching Pakistani dramas due to a new indian channel (forgot its name) and that is why mahira khan etc. got popular in india.

 

[Deosai]

Pakistani dramas dominated the scene till 2000s when cable networks and Star Plus / Sony India came to Pakistan. Pakistani viewers including me grew up watching dramas like Son Pari, Shararat, Shaka Laka Boom Boom and this continued till 2010-11 where the viewership starting dipping massively. It happened mainly because quality entertainment Pakistani channels came to fore as our industry finally realized that they can do entertainment too other than news channels. From there in, even star plus got banned for a while as well. So, now. The switch has been almost complete towards Pakistani dramas. You are a bit correct in saying that pakistani dramas are heavily influenced by indian dramas and that happened only in earlier times when Geo TV started hiring production teams from India. It has stopped now. Dramas like Humsafar etc. are purely Pakistan based. The trend has became opposite now. Now, people in india have started watching Pakistani dramas due to a new indian channel (forgot its name) and that is why mahira khan etc. got popular in india.

Some of the highest rated shows in Pakistan over the last few years were Turkish.

I think Indian shows lost popularity around 2007

 

[11ShadyBrothers]

I think theaters should mainly screen Pakistani and Hollywood movies, and then a couple Bollywood movies.they should have a separate screen for the mujra section, it's part of Pakistan's legacy

Mujra scene has been lacking due to lack of hot dancers. Like i think the last passable one was Nigar Choudhry. Others are just fat cows dancing. Like seriously, do some gym mate. The only thing that can liven up the mujra scene is that if girls with the bod of kim kardashian or nicki minaj or heck even lady gaga enter the scene. Otherwise its not even watchable.

 

[11ShadyBrothers]

Some of the highest rated shows in Pakistan over the last few years were Turkish.

I think Indian shows lost popularity around 2007

Yeah, they really took the TV industry by storm. No doubt.

 

[niishaa]

Pakistani dramas dominated the scene till 2000s when cable networks and Star Plus / Sony India came to Pakistan. Pakistani viewers including me grew up watching dramas like Son Pari, Shararat, Shaka Laka Boom Boom and this continued till 2010-11 where the viewership starting dipping massively. It happened mainly because quality entertainment Pakistani channels came to fore as our industry finally realized that they can do entertainment too other than news channels. From there in, even star plus got banned for a while as well. So, now. The switch has been almost complete towards Pakistani dramas. You are a bit correct in saying that pakistani dramas are heavily influenced by indian dramas and that happened only in earlier times when Geo TV started hiring production teams from India. It has stopped now. Dramas like Humsafar etc. are purely Pakistan based. The trend has became opposite now. Now, people in india have started watching Pakistani dramas due to a new indian channel (forgot its name) and that is why mahira khan etc. got popular in india.

I think that's what i have been saying too.

 

[niishaa]

Some of the highest rated shows in Pakistan over the last few years were Turkish.

I think Indian shows lost popularity around 2007

Yes i know, turkish serials are being dubbed in urdu now. Aski Memnu i think was the first one to be dubbed. It is very famous internationally too.

 

[11ShadyBrothers]

I think that's what i have been saying too.

You were wrong about the sindoor part and about cultural dominance. That thing is not there any more if there ever was any. Bangles etc. are there with Pakistan since 1947. Its more of sub continental culture than Indian culture's dominance. If only culture that has an any effect is American or Westren which has effected both countries.

 

[BleedGreen]

Well Currently bollywood movies are shown in most of the pakistani theatres in fact this revival of pakistani film industry(because of which this thread exists) is largely credited to bollywood . In the past i think pirated copies of the movies were smuggled across the border. dramas are were shown in local channels just like today pakistani dramas are being shown in zee zindagi channel.

This is true.

The major step for revival of Pakistan's cinema and to compete against major industries such as Bollywood would be to expand the market first.

Bin Roye, although not the best movie to come out of Pakistan, is currently the highest grossing Pakistani movie of all time, simply because it has taken the step of bringing Pak movies on international soil.

 

[niishaa]

You were wrong about the sindoor part and about cultural dominance. That thing is not there any more if there ever was any. Bangles etc. are there with Pakistan since 1947. Its more of sub continental culture than Indian culture's dominance. If only culture that has an any effect is American or Westren which has effected both countries.

i am not wrong about the sindoor part. You have misunderstood me. I am not saying that pakistani women are wearing sindoor in their mang(forehead) but am talking about the Dhibbi which is a cute little box shown in practically every indian serial and there was a demand for them. Like wise i am sure bangle is a pakistani invention! But what am saying is that is there is particular type of indian bangles red and green combination worn during weddings and was popular at one time likewise even indian type of saris etc. I am not making up these things. I have read some articles on net at a time when indian dramas were popular. As far as cultural dominance is concerned i may be wrong but your leaders themselves and many pakistani writers and even some posters here have said have said it many times in the past hence i just used it.

 

[#GreenRoars]

This is true.

The major step for revival of Pakistan's cinema and to compete against major industries such as Bollywood would be to expand the market first.

Bin Roye, although not the best movie to come out of Pakistan, is currently the highest grossing Pakistani movie of all time, simply because it has taken the step of bringing Pak movies on international soil.

Wrong, Bin Roye is far far behind, highest grossing was Chooriyan, Waar, Khuda k leye. Not Bin Roye, and yes in today's era according to World Wide collections, Bin Roye is leading

 

[#GreenRoars]

i am not wrong about the sindoor part. You have misunderstood me. I am not saying that pakistani women are wearing sindoor in their mang(forehead) but am talking about the Dhibbi which is a cute little box shown in practically every indian serial and there was a demand for them. Like wise i am sure bangle is a pakistani invention! But what am saying is that is there is particular type of indian bangles red and green combination worn during weddings and was popular at one time likewise even indian type of saris etc. I am not making up these things. I have read some articles on net at a time when indian dramas were popular. As far as cultural dominance is concerned i may be wrong but your leaders themselves and many pakistani writers and even some posters here have said have said it many times in the past hence i just used it.

Dhibbi mostly called as Tikkiya here, but that thing was famous in villages, not among cities areas, and now it is completely vanished. No one is preferring Sarhi ( excluding old ladies ). Now adays Indian channel showing Pakistani dramas, which is driving Indian fans crazy, especially Humsafar drama. ( according to media reports )

 

[KeyboardWarrior]

No.
We have a long way to Go.

 

[Kianig89]

Jumping the gun Bollywood no wonder how crap us leaguea ahead of,our cinema its like a CL club vs a league 2 side and BTW where is our Madhuri

 

[MRSN]

It will take time but yes. We have good story writers and some good talent.

 

[PetroDollars]

Quality wise, making films better than Bollywood is not difficult any industry in the world can do it, in fact quality wise our films are already better, Films like KKL and Waar will beat the pants off any film India has ever produced.

Business wise its different as Pakistan is a small country and India is huge and once our films become more mainstream India will never allow them to run in their country.

 

[Firebreaker]

No chance....................for the next 15-20 years

 

[Firebreaker]

But the way SRK movies are being garbage as hell,I can see Fawad Khan take over him in Bollywood

 

[anakin]

OP has taken some ridiculous level of generalization to make an argument,

Comeback when Pakistan is able to make movies of the caliber of Lagaan, Gangs of Wasseypur.

Forget the financial success, even the well appreciated Pakistani movies are done so recognizing the degradation culture which has prevailed in Pakistan over the last few decades killing free expression of thought!

Finally, the OP statement is like when Indians cherry pick one point to be able to prove that they will overcome China in the future.
Enjoy!!

 

[Tesla]

I think Lollywood needs to learn from South Indian movie industry. They have carved their own niche in this Bollywood dominated subcontinent, which is quite an achievement.

 

[proud_pakistani]

The people who are making movies in Pakistan now are all either from the advertising industry or from the drama industry. Both these industries produce high quality stuff so Pakistani cinema should produce some good films as well. As far as the comparison is concerned Pakistani directors should carve out their own ideology towards film making. It should not be about masala and item numbers like Bollywood and they need to make films which can be watched by the family. I have in recent times been embarrassed while watching an Indian movie with my mum and dad.

 

[blind]

I will be rooting for the one who first removes silly dancing and singing scenes from their movies. It makes the whole thing un-realistic

 

[#GreenRoars]

I will be rooting for the one who first removes silly dancing and singing scenes from their movies. It makes the whole thing un-realistic

Then you must watch Shaah

 

[blind]

Then you must watch Shaah

I hope they air it next Eid. Loved WAAR and now waiting for Operation 021

 

[#GreenRoars]

I hope they air it next Eid. Loved WAAR and now waiting for Operation 021

Heard from many fans that 021 is sheer class. Dukhtar was also good, very serious sort of movie and i loved that. Wish to watch Shah, Moor, Wrong no.

 

[Vayuu]

I hope they air it next Eid. Loved WAAR and now waiting for Operation 021

Wait Waar a classic! lol, ya I watched it, but come on man ramal koi aur naam nhi mila tha, who the hell name their kids ramal, the only some what movie that has come good from pakistan is Khuda ke liye, bol and ramchand pakistani and that's it.

 

[Vayuu]

On the topic lollywood has a long way to go to compete with regional cinema of india, let alone bollywood, heck quality wise even marathi cinema has some mind boggling movies in comparison to lollywood , you should watch a movie like shvaas .

 

[IgnitedMind]

hahahahaha !!!

Come back when Pakistan makes movies in 10 years that Indian cinema or even bollywood made in 2015 alone

Overtaking bollywood is distant distant dream !

 

[11ShadyBrothers]

Pakistan already has made quality movies like Bol and Khuda Ke Liye. If bollywood can only stop mingling with the physics (Hello Rohit Shetty) then we can speak. Its true. I have watched a lot of bollywood movies and there is serious lack of quality. I just watch comedy movies now because Pakistani comedy movies suck or are very less.

 

[IgnitedMind]

I find it hillarious when some brit pakistanis whose last movie is kuch kuch hota hai or whatever have opinions on bollywood !

Make a movie like Piku or manjhi or tanu weds manu or dum lagake or baby or margharita with a straw or bhajrangi bhaijaan or baby or hunterr or nh10 or badlapur or detective byomkesh bakshi or dhrishyam ...and those are SOME movies in last 6 months !!

And we are not even talking masala movies which are bead and butter for hollywood or bollywood ! you need an avengers or a chennai express for a piku or gone girl to have a catchment area !

 

[IgnitedMind]

And also Fast and furious 7 does not come under terrible movie here but a chennai express does for people here ! Quality wise they are both equally garbage..but they are the star studded summer movies that drive the movie economy catering to their mass audience !

 

[endymion248]

I find it hillarious when some brit pakistanis whose last movie is kuch kuch hota hai or whatever have opinions on bollywood !

Make a movie like Piku or manjhi or tanu weds manu or dum lagake or baby or margharita with a straw or bhajrangi bhaijaan or baby or hunterr or nh10 or badlapur or detective byomkesh bakshi or dhrishyam ...and those are SOME movies in last 6 months !!

And we are not even talking masala movies which are bead and butter for hollywood or bollywood ! you need an avengers or a chennai express for a piku or gone girl to have a catchment area !

Not really. There are lots of movie industries that produce movies much better than Gone Girl or Piku (assuming these two are of the same quality which is not true) without being financed by big studios that produce crap. But if your only point of comparison is Hollywood, it does explain why you place so many bad movies on a pedestal.

 

[endymion248]

As for the OP, it is true that Bollywood movies allowed the revival of Pak industry by providing a consumer market that goes to cinemas but the problem with this situation is that the demand in Pakistan is for Bollywood-type garbage and that's what new Pakistani movies are going to be like. Don't expect Pakistani industry to be better than Bollywood. There may be better camera work because there is a bigger appreciation for that art in Pakistan but it will mostly be indistinguishable.

 

[IgnitedMind]

Not really. There are lots of movie industries that produce movies much better than Gone Girl or Piku (assuming these two are of the same quality which is not true) without being financed by big studios that produce crap. But if your only point of comparison is Hollywood, it does explain why you place so many bad movies on a pedestal.

you cannot compare quality between genres....for the genres they belong to they were as good as any each industry made !

I was not talking about movies produced by big studios...it is avengers and the big movies that build big enough movie watching population for niche cinema to find its audience among them. Bigger the catchment area, more different the movie going audience !

Bad is subjective, but I would like to know which bad movie I placed on a pedestal..just interested !

I am sorry if I cannot appreciate super niche cinema which takes deep meanings out a blank screen which film festivals or european/Iranian movies seem to specialize in.... Movie is as much an art for a few people as it is entertainment for much more larger amount of people.

 

[IgnitedMind]

As for the OP, it is true that Bollywood movies allowed the revival of Pak industry by providing a consumer market that goes to cinemas but the problem with this situation is that the demand in Pakistan is for Bollywood-type garbage and that's what new Pakistani movies are going to be like. Don't expect Pakistani industry to be better than Bollywood. There may be better camera work because there is a bigger appreciation for that art in Pakistan but it will mostly be indistinguishable.

Inability to make a point with out adding a negative adjective around bollywood? And Better camera work? It will take a lot of time for lollywood to come any where close to technicalities in bollywood !

One day may be Pakistan will make a movie with camera work in the movie Satya (1998) by bollywood..a movie made 18 years ago !

Sheer volume of movies India makes ...there are atleast 60 to 100 great movies every where...with atleast 10 coming from hindi. So let us not talk about appreciation of art...just because there is a more commercial market..does not mean there is no artistic market in india....we have 8 different industries each making incredible movies....

I watched Bol ....India has made thousands of movies as impactful ..! I have seen trailers of bin roye or waar...and again India has made thousands of those kinds....

It is awesome that pak is improving...you guys have some incredible talents...but no...there is no real comparison here..and I am not saying this with arrogance...just like there is no real comparison between us and hollywood over all !

 

[BleedGreen]

Inability to make a point with out adding a negative adjective around bollywood? And Better camera work? It will take a lot of time for lollywood to come any where close to technicalities in bollywood !

One day may be Pakistan will make a movie with camera work in the movie Satya (1998) by bollywood..a movie made 18 years ago !

Sheer volume of movies India makes ...there are atleast 60 to 100 great movies every where...with atleast 10 coming from hindi. So let us not talk about appreciation of art...just because there is a more commercial market..does not mean there is no artistic market in india....we have 8 different industries each making incredible movies....

I watched Bol ....India has made thousands of movies as impactful ..! I have seen trailers of bin roye or waar...and again India has made thousands of those kinds....

It is awesome that pak is improving...you guys have some incredible talents...but no...there is no real comparison here..and I am not saying this with arrogance...just like there is no real comparison between us and hollywood over all !

Well said, appreciate you being civil.

 

[hafeezrocks]

Inability to make a point with out adding a negative adjective around bollywood? And Better camera work? It will take a lot of time for lollywood to come any where close to technicalities in bollywood !

One day may be Pakistan will make a movie with camera work in the movie Satya (1998) by bollywood..a movie made 18 years ago !

Sheer volume of movies India makes ...there are atleast 60 to 100 great movies every where...with atleast 10 coming from hindi. So let us not talk about appreciation of art...just because there is a more commercial market..does not mean there is no artistic market in india....we have 8 different industries each making incredible movies....

I watched Bol ....India has made thousands of movies as impactful ..! I have seen trailers of bin roye or waar...and again India has made thousands of those kinds....

It is awesome that pak is improving...you guys have some incredible talents...but no...there is no real comparison here..and I am not saying this with arrogance...just like there is no real comparison between us and hollywood over all !

Which apart from Bollywood ?

 

[endymion248]

Inability to make a point with out adding a negative adjective around bollywood? And Better camera work? It will take a lot of time for lollywood to come any where close to technicalities in bollywood !

One day may be Pakistan will make a movie with camera work in the movie Satya (1998) by bollywood..a movie made 18 years ago !

Sheer volume of movies India makes ...there are atleast 60 to 100 great movies every where...with atleast 10 coming from hindi. So let us not talk about appreciation of art...just because there is a more commercial market..does not mean there is no artistic market in india....we have 8 different industries each making incredible movies....

I watched Bol ....India has made thousands of movies as impactful ..! I have seen trailers of bin roye or waar...and again India has made thousands of those kinds....

It is awesome that pak is improving...you guys have some incredible talents...but no...there is no real comparison here..and I am not saying this with arrogance...just like there is no real comparison between us and hollywood over all !

Camera work is no more a technicality than acting or plot. You don't need massive budgets to excel in the domain. I have found that Pakistanis directors tend to be ready to take risks in this department, sometimes even sacrificing the flow of the movie for interesting takes. So, in the long-term, I can see them doing better than Bollywood where directors seem less creative with this (probably because studios don't allow them the artistic license).

Before going on your rant that you repeat on every thread about Bollywood, you could have noticed that the rest of my post agrees with your points. It's get old pretty fast to argue with someone who isn't even reading your point entirely and is just going to recycle his opinions every post.

 

[BleedGreen]

Pakistani dramas dominated the scene till 2000s when cable networks and Star Plus / Sony India came to Pakistan. Pakistani viewers including me grew up watching dramas like Son Pari, Shararat, Shaka Laka Boom Boom and this continued till 2010-11 where the viewership starting dipping massively. It happened mainly because quality entertainment Pakistani channels came to fore as our industry finally realized that they can do entertainment too other than news channels. From there in, even star plus got banned for a while as well. So, now. The switch has been almost complete towards Pakistani dramas. You are a bit correct in saying that pakistani dramas are heavily influenced by indian dramas and that happened only in earlier times when Geo TV started hiring production teams from India. It has stopped now. Dramas like Humsafar etc. are purely Pakistan based. The trend has became opposite now. Now, people in india have started watching Pakistani dramas due to a new indian channel (forgot its name) and that is why mahira khan etc. got popular in india.

It's Zindagi channel

 

[AZ]

Pakistan can produce better content, but the technical quality & infrastructure of Bollywood is light years ahead.

Digital technology will certainly help bridge that gap, what Pakistan needs is human expertise in filmmaking.

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[11ShadyBrothers]

It's Zindagi channel

Yes, that one.

 

[Scrolln]

Most of the Pakistani movies/movie songs i've seen are sub-standard.

The best thing to come out of Pakistan in terms of art is Coke Studio IMO.

We tried to make our own version of Coke Studio but it is nothing like the Pakistani one.

 

[JaDed]

Which apart from Bollywood ?

Tamil,Telugu,Malayalam,Bengali,Marathi,Kannada,Punjabi,Bhojpuri,Assamese all these have their own movie industries and most of them are thriving.

 

[JaDed]

In terms of quality Malyalam,Bengali movies beat Hindi ones but the thing about Bollywood is its able to sell its weird idea and capture the imagination ,ofcourse they copy cinemas but offlate they have been improving with the newer younger audience and giving credit to the English movies when copying them except Mahesh Bhatt ofcourse.

 

[MRSN]

In terms of quality Malyalam,Bengali movies beat Hindi ones but the thing about Bollywood is its able to sell its weird idea and capture the imagination ,ofcourse they copy cinemas but offlate they have been improving with the newer younger audience and giving credit to the English movies when copying them except Mahesh Bhatt ofcourse.

Sure they gave credit for copying that qawali in the Bajrangi Bhaijan.

 

[Diffusion]

No.

- India's population is 5x bigger than Pakistan so Bollywood's audience will always be a lot bigger. More audience more money

- Bollywood is already far too established - there's movies hitting close to the 100m USD mark nowadays.

- Sex and drugs sell everywhere. Bollywood has embraced that now which is helping them hit record figures, while that won't be accepted in Pakistan due it being a far more conservative country.

- Bollywood has made a pretty good niche for itself - the whole ridiculous over the top musical dramas which is what attracts outer audiences.

- Lastly, it's pretty hard for Pakistan to market their products. A lot of Pakistani restaurants market themselves as Indian (this is the case in the UK, even more so in mainland Europe). Everyone knows the Indian film industry is Bollywood.

Content wise, there's nothing stopping Pakistani film industry producing superior movies than a lot of the crap bollywood serves. But they're still there to make money, and I don't think it can ever challenge Bollywood in terms of the money they generate.

 

[Varun]

Bit like a PSL vs IPL comparison here.

 

[BleedGreen]

Bit like a PSL vs IPL comparison here.

Yep, can definitely be compared


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[justarslan]

PS: This is not a Pak v India thread or a hate thread. So keep it civil.

Most Pakistanis and Indians agree that:

Bollywood movies are copied, are usually unrealistic and over-the-top.

There are many Pakistanis and some Indians who also agree that:

Pakistani dramas are very realistic and are much better than Indian soaps.

With the revival of Pakistani Cinema, where the directors/actors from the Pak dramas themselves are now moving on to films, can Pakistan see a booming film industry? Can they eventually end up competing with Bollywood or even overcoming it?

It can be as big as they want because Lahore and Bombay were center of Urdu/Hindi movie industry before the partition. This continued after partition as well until Zia and Sultan Rahi happened to movie industry in Pakistan.

 

[Scrolln]

Tamil,Telugu,Malayalam,Bengali,Marathi,Kannada,Punjabi,Bhojpuri,Assamese all these have their own movie industries and most of them are thriving.

Bhojpuri films/music are an embarrassment to humanity.

 

[DrSchultz]

Are they like 90s bollywood?

 

[ahmedzee]

In the end its all about the money, not quality. Bollywood is a bigger industry, more money involved in it. Don't think Pak film industry would overtake it.

 

[amit]

South Indian movies are far better than Bollywood. I would like to see the Copywood industry shut down and South Indian movies dubbed in Hindi/Urdu and shown all over the world

 

[Lurker_Ind]

Not in this life time.

Pak will have hard time producing commercial movies like Bollywood. The Masala (Glamour, Item songs etc..) involved in the Bollywood that brings crowds to the theaters may not be tolerated by Pak audiences.

Pak can make award winning non-masala & non-commercial movies.