Will Rumman Raees push Junaid Khan out of the ODI playing XI?

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Whenever Rummaan has got an opportunity, he has done reasonably well.

Here he's got an opportunity to play 5 consecutive ODI's .

With Amir(in ODI's) and Hassan being the sure starters, will Rummaan push Junaid out of 11?

 

[ExpressPacer]

Rumman Raees has MASSIVELY improved. Sorry to say but albeit being really good, Raees was a mere trundler earlier. Now he's a 140 KPH bowler. Very good! Should make competition very tough for Junaid and Amir.

 

[Bilal7]

Why should he? We need both of them in our ODI team. Bat Imad at #7 and play Amir, Hassan, Junaid and Rumman as the four pacers.

Shadab Khan is a luxury we cannot afford, at the moment. He's a wonderful player but a leggie will be ineffective at the next ODI World Cup.

We are also playing several series in conditions unhelpful to spinners in the lead-up to the World Cup so Shadab should be held back for now.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

I reckon, this is the series for Raees, to make a mark.

 

[hadi123]

It's a good dilemma to have. I guess rotation can be done between Hasan Ali, JK, Amir and Raees

 

[Mamoon]

Hopefully, Junaid is terrible.

 

[aukhan]

Hopefully.

He has improved so much in the last couple of years.

 

[Bilal7]

It's a good dilemma to have. I guess rotation can be done between Hasan Ali, JK, Amir and Raees

Don't forget Riaz, who isn't done yet. Pakistan's pace reserves are rich and second only to Australia's, at the moment. With Shadab and Imad, along with the occasional spin of Haris/Hafeez, we have a complete bowling attack.

Reminds me of the 2011-2014 days when we had Gul, Junaid, Irfan, Ajmal, Afridi, Hafeez and briefly, Shoaib Akhtar.

 

[hadi123]

Don't forget Riaz, who isn't done yet. Pakistan's pace reserves are rich and second only to Australia's, at the moment. With Shadab and Imad, along with the occasional spin of Haris/Hafeez, we have a complete bowling attack.

Reminds me of the 2011-2014 days when we had Gul, Junaid, Irfan, Ajmal, Afridi, Hafeez and briefly, Shoaib Akhtar.

Riaz is rubbish in ODIs and T20Is. He was absolutely awful in the CT match against India before he went off injured.

 

[Fahdi]

He is much better than Junaid. Hopefully he gets a go in Tests as well where he will probably perform a lot better than the pampered Amir.

 

[aloo paratha]

More like can he push Mohammad Amir out of the team.

 

[kingusama92]

Set up a rotation.

BUT yes, Raees should be the first choice.

He's getting faster and was already a quality bowler due to his variations.

 

[waleed88]

Most likely if Junaid Khan carries on like this, he will have to perform in this series otherwise Amir will comeback and previous performance rule doesn't apply to him

 

[shah_1]

A better bowler than Junaid Khan for sure

 

[KingKhanWC]

Rumman has some serious skill with the ball.

I would pick him ahead of Junaid.

He should also be in the test squad.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Don't forget Riaz, who isn't done yet. Pakistan's pace reserves are rich and second only to Australia's, at the moment. With Shadab and Imad, along with the occasional spin of Haris/Hafeez, we have a complete bowling attack.

Reminds me of the 2011-2014 days when we had Gul, Junaid, Irfan, Ajmal, Afridi, Hafeez and briefly, Shoaib Akhtar.

To consider Wahab for the next ODI, let alone the WC is stupidity. Agree with the rest though, especially with exciting talent like Usman and Shaheen in the mix.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Wow wow wow! Brilliant from Rummaan, Junaid's place in danger.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Rumman has some serious skill with the ball.

I would pick him ahead of Junaid.

He should also be in the test squad.

Tests are different. It won't be only about his tricks there but more about getting the batsmen out with line length + swing.

But yea he is a must for all ODI's and T20's for sure.

 

[CricFan2012]

I do not have any faith in Junaid.

We need to keep Amir for tough series and tournaments only, we could keep Junaid and see if he's really improved, sample size is small for him, just a few matches in champions trophy isn't enough, or if a better bowler comes through they can replace.

Raees is a must, excellent bowler, complements Hasan very well.

 

[Plumb]

Nothing wrong in creating healthy competition. Good to have strong bench for fast bowlers.

 

[Madplayer]

He is the most cunning bowler in Pakistan now that asif isnt playing.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Tests are different. It won't be only about his tricks there but more about getting the batsmen out with line length + swing.

But yea he is a must for all ODI's and T20's for sure.

Do you not feel his has great control with line and length too? He has the ability to bring the white ball back into the right handers and an excellent seam position too. He can also reverse the ball pretty well.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

surprised me with his seam position and pace today and its good competition to have

 

[Square Drive]

Yes, Rumman is a must.

Rumman, Hasan, Amir with Junaid, Usman, and Fahim for the all-rounder option on the bench, and Yamin being on the radar.

WOW.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Hopefully out of the squad.

 

[Square Drive]

Hopefully out of the squad.

Shouldn't they both be pushed outta the squad for Bashir and Ehtisham?

 

[Ahson8]

Hopefully out of the squad.

Thoughts on Rumman today ?
Also it’s good to have backup for fast bowlers so they can be rotated around to manage their workloads, Junaid stays for now.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Shouldn't they both be pushed outta the squad for Bashir and Ehtisham?

That's for another thread.

Getting rid of half-trackers trundling king with no pace or ability to move the ball is more important.

 

[mak36]

That's for another thread.

Getting rid of half-trackers trundling king with no pace or ability to move the ball is more important.

But I thought Rumman was a trundler?

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Do you not feel his has great control with line and length too? He has the ability to bring the white ball back into the right handers and an excellent seam position too. He can also reverse the ball pretty well.

In the past he usually relied on his variations. The reason he didnt pick many wickets but was always economical in domestic limited overs games. We all know how batsmen tuk tuk those variations the reason you need more than just the fancy tricks in tests.

But yea he seems to have improved since last PSL having worked with Wasim getting the ball to move in. Let's see how he does this series and then look ahead. Hopefully he keeps getting better and better.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

But I thought Rumman was a trundler?

He can move the ball.

 

[Hasan123]

Why should he? We need both of them in our ODI team. Bat Imad at #7 and play Amir, Hassan, Junaid and Rumman as the four pacers.

Shadab Khan is a luxury we cannot afford, at the moment. He's a wonderful player but a leggie will be ineffective at the next ODI World Cup.

We are also playing several series in conditions unhelpful to spinners in the lead-up to the World Cup so Shadab should be held back for now.

So Imads darts are useful but a leg break who has mystery will be ineffective? Shadab offers much more with the ball than Imad,he is also a better fielder.

 

[Hasan123]

Liking the look of Ruman. If he keeps this up, he can't be left out.

 

[Mueez]

He has some serious skills, one for the future! !

 

[Usman Chadda]

More like can he push Mohammad Amir out of the team.

Muhammad Amir bowled one of the ATG LOI spells in the last ODI he played. Him and Hasan are the backbone of this bowling attack. Healthy competition between Junaid and Raees.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Some serious competition there.

Amir, Hassan, Junaid, Raees and Usman looking for 4 spots.

Yamin and Fahim fighting for AR's spot.

Shaheen and Tallat trying to impress.

 

[ads101]

He's a better bowler. But I also want to see Raees in tests too.

 

[srh]

Hopefully out of the squad.

Rumman is not that bad to be out of squad

 

[Pakpak]

More like can he push Mohammad Amir out of the team.

While being very poor in Tests Amir is a gun player in ODIs.

 

[Ellipsism]

He's a better bowler. But I also want to see Raees in tests too.

He's very similar to Abbas, to round off our test attack we need a tall right armer that hits the deck hard.

 

[aloo paratha]

While being very poor in Tests Amir is a gun player in ODIs.

Muhammad Amir bowled one of the ATG LOI spells in the last ODI he played. Him and Hasan are the backbone of this bowling attack. Healthy competition between Junaid and Raees.

Even in the champions trophy, he turned up only once, played decently against SL, but overall Junaid has been better in the last couple of months.

 

[Bilal7]

So Imads darts are useful but a leg break who has mystery will be ineffective? Shadab offers much more with the ball than Imad,he is also a better fielder.

We need a defensive spinner to compliment our attacking pacers. Someone to choke the runs during the middle overs from one end while Hassan runs roughshod from the other.

Riaz is rubbish in ODIs and T20Is. He was absolutely awful in the CT match against India before he went off injured.

He has his off days and is no longer our first choice but he is a good back-up option and will be a serious weapon in Australia and South Africa. Was our best bowler during the 2015 WC and one of the best overall.

 

[Bilal7]

He's very similar to Abbas, to round off our test attack we need a tall right armer that hits the deck hard.

We have Riaz for that. What we need is a swing (conventional and reverse) and seam bowler who bowls at a good speed (140 kph ideally). Basically the Pakistani Steyn.

That will be the kick in the bum that Amir needs and he'll be forced to outperform decent bowlers like Abbas, Rahat and Usman. The third pacer will similarly have lots of competition with Junaid, Hassan and Riaz duking it out.

 

[sali]

Smart bowler and a good death over bowler. I think Junaid will have to lift his game to keep Rumman Raees out. He swing the ball better than all other pacers. I would like to see how Mir Hamza will do on flat pitches in UAE.

 

[nam]

Junaid has a lot of work to do to catch up to Rumman who really has some good skills and has increased his pace a bit which really helps..

 

[hussain.r97]

Massive upgrade over Junaid for sure. Swings and seams the ball both ways at a brisk pace and has a whole toolbox of variations, all with good control. I reckon Junaid should make way for Usman Khan Shinwari for this series. For the future, our pace attack should be Amir, Rumman, and Hasan.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

After performing well in the Champions Trophy, Junaid shouldn't be discarded for a newbie until he performs consistently across a number of matches.

As for the pace attack in near future, our next series is in New Zealand, where we will require at least 4 pace bowling options. Thus, we can try all of Amir, Junaid, Hasan and Rumman in the same match along with Shadab/Imad or Fahim too and use M Hafeez and S Malik as spinners for few overs. 4 quality pacers in pace friendly conditions in New Zealand will surely be a lethal bowling combo.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Raees improved a lot under Wasim in PSL. Now the chance is for junaid to replicate the same as he will represent multan in upcoming PSL under Wasim. Pakistan pace battery is in good shape and will be good for 2019 CWC. Faheem also should get chances and if performed well then more on the selection headache to have which is good for the team.

 

[Hasan123]

We need a defensive spinner to compliment our attacking pacers. Someone to choke the runs during the middle overs from one end while Hassan runs roughshod from the other.



He has his off days and is no longer our first choice but he is a good back-up option and will be a serious weapon in Australia and South Africa. Was our best bowler during the 2015 WC and one of the best overall.

Imad has been worked out eventually by better teams. The next WC is England so we need to make a choice quickly between Imad or Shadab.

 

[New Yorker]

We have Riaz for that. What we need is a swing (conventional and reverse) and seam bowler who bowls at a good speed (140 kph ideally). Basically the Pakistani Steyn.

That will be the kick in the bum that Amir needs and he'll be forced to outperform decent bowlers like Abbas, Rahat and Usman. The third pacer will similarly have lots of competition with Junaid, Hassan and Riaz duking it out.

You lost me at "Rahat" Hopefully he will never every contend for a spot in the national team again.

And we shouldn't have Riaz for anything.

 

[Pakpak]

Even in the champions trophy, he turned up only once, played decently against SL, but overall Junaid has been better in the last couple of months.

Everyone was poor in the first game, he was okay in the second one and third one and injured for the other one.

Lol at 'turned up'. He bowled one of the best spells any Pakistani bowler has ever bowled in the last 20 years and won us only our second trophy since 1992. No comparison with Junaid right now. In Tests Amir is a liability, in ODIs there is no question of his value.

 

[New Yorker]

Massive upgrade over Junaid for sure. Swings and seams the ball both ways at a brisk pace and has a whole toolbox of variations, all with good control. I reckon Junaid should make way for Usman Khan Shinwari for this series. For the future, our pace attack should be Amir, Rumman, and Hasan.

Shinwaris selection still baffles me. What on earth has he done to merit such interest?

 

[ExpressPacer]

He is the most cunning bowler in Pakistan now that asif isnt playing.

Yes! Should replace the good for nothing Abbas.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Raees needs to be a permanent fixture in the side but I wouldn't push Junaid out just yet, he's worked hard for it. And if he has to go, he needs to go for Usman Khan. Raees comes in for Amir. Amir needs to be given some competition. He isn't putting in the extra mile anymore.

 

[New Yorker]

Everyone was poor in the first game, he was okay in the second one and third one and injured for the other one.

Lol at 'turned up'. He bowled one of the best spells any Pakistani bowler has ever bowled in the last 20 years and won us only our second trophy since 1992. No comparison with Junaid right now. In Tests Amir is a liability, in ODIs there is no question of his value.

Why on earth not? Is he an apple and Junaid an orange? Aren't they both bowlers who have to take wickets to merit a place in the side. I fancy Amir as an ODI bowler in tournament finals, but on any given day he is not likely to be do better than Junaid, to the contrary.

The question is not Rumman or Junaid or Amir. No one owns their place in the side. If someone is doing well in LA cricket they should be given a run too.

 

[Rana]

There is a saying:

"No need to worry as long as you have Ruman Raees"

-Aristotle

 

[New Yorker]

Yes! Should replace the good for nothing Abbas.

Good for 23 wickets in 5 Tests @ 21 is good enough so far. You need to find another hobby.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

Love the competition between these pacers. Hopefully it will drive them to put on better performances in an attempt to outdo one another

 

[ExpressPacer]

Good for 23 wickets in 5 Tests @ 21 is good enough so far. You need to find another hobby.

I will find another hobby when Abbas finds another hobby. He consistently bullies tailenders, and that too when they've done the damage. His stats are as relevant as the letter 'T' in the word 'Tsunami'.

 

[Pakpak]

Why on earth not? Is he an apple and Junaid an orange? Aren't they both bowlers who have to take wickets to merit a place in the side. I fancy Amir as an ODI bowler in tournament finals, but on any given day he is not likely to be do better than Junaid, to the contrary.

The question is not Rumman or Junaid or Amir. No one owns their place in the side. If someone is doing well in LA cricket they should be given a run too.

If you want to pick Junaid over Amir in LOI be my guest.

 

[Jave]

I will find another hobby when Abbas finds another hobby. He consistently bullies tailenders, and that too when they've done the damage. His stats are as relevant as the letter 'T' in the word 'Tsunami'.

I agree with this.If Amir takes out the tailenders but when Abbas does the same thing he is praised

 

[ExpressPacer]

I agree with this.If Amir takes out the tailenders but when Abbas does the same thing he is praised

You will find many other such cases here. Double standards, if you ask me.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

I see Rumman being in the playing 11, compared to Junaid.

 

[backfootpunch]

Why should he? We need both of them in our ODI team. Bat Imad at #7 and play Amir, Hassan, Junaid and Rumman as the four pacers.

Shadab Khan is a luxury we cannot afford, at the moment. He's a wonderful player but a leggie will be ineffective at the next ODI World Cup.

We are also playing several series in conditions unhelpful to spinners in the lead-up to the World Cup so Shadab should be held back for now.

Shadab Khan is a match winner whereas Imad is just some darter and it seems even Sarfraz doesn't really rate him going by the fact he only bowled a few balls yesterday.

Why remove a wicket taking option? Shadab Khan played a big role in the CT final removing 2 key batsman.

As for playing 4 seamers - I might agree with you if were talking about a WC in AUS however in England we've seen spin play a big role in Pakistan's success in the CT.

Hafeez isn't good enough to play quality pace and isn't going to get better with his age needs to be dropped asap really.

Defensive minded cricket isn't going to win ODI tournaments, have to look to take 10 wickets and score 300+ or 350 (if conditions permit).

 

[backfootpunch]

Rumman Raees is easily better. Junaid Khan should be the backup seamer now.

Would like to see this team in the WC:

F.Zaman
S.Farhan/H.Sohail/H.Talat
Babar
Sarfraz (c,wk)
S.Malik/H.Talat (if Malik is past it by then and he doesn't open)
A.Yamin
Shadab (I think we will see him rise as a hitter along with his leggies)
Imad (utility man)
H.Ali
M.Amir
R.Raees

 

[rizwanak]

Rumman raees should be permanent fixture of limited overs teams no matter who else is fit or not. Not only does he take wickets at start, he had best economy in death overs in psl2

 

[aloo paratha]

I agree with this.If Amir takes out the tailenders but when Abbas does the same thing he is praised

Fact is Amir doesn't even take out the tailenders...

 

[Jave]

Fact is Amir doesn't even take out the tailenders...

Because Sarfraz didn't give him overs to tailenders.......

 

[aloo paratha]

Because Sarfraz didn't give him overs to tailenders.......

Didn't see him take out any top order or many middle order bats either...

 

[Jave]

Didn't see him take out any top order or many middle order bats either...

How many top order or middle order bats did Abbas take out?

 

[The_Odd_One]

Imad has been worked out eventually by better teams. The next WC is England so we need to make a choice quickly between Imad or Shadab.

When did that happen?

 

[Hasan123]

When did that happen?

Once a team plays him in a few times in a series he's often easy to milk.

 

[Bilal7]

Imad has been worked out eventually by better teams. The next WC is England so we need to make a choice quickly between Imad or Shadab.

Imad for sure. He's a proper all-rounder and is the defensive spinner our team needs. Unless Shadab can become as good as Tahir, he should only be unleashed against teams like Australia and New Zealand, in place of a seamer.

You lost me at "Rahat" Hopefully he will never every contend for a spot in the national team again.

And we shouldn't have Riaz for anything.

He's got decent skills but is mentally weak. Hopefully he can sort that mental aspect out and become a part of our stable of good bowlers. Riaz offers pace and bounce, very useful in Australia, as we saw at the last WC.

Once a team plays him in a few times in a series he's often easy to milk.

That's fine. If he has figures of 10-1-40-1 on average, he's done his job.

 

[Hasan123]

Imad for sure. He's a proper all-rounder and is the defensive spinner our team needs. Unless Shadab can become as good as Tahir, he should only be unleashed against teams like Australia and New Zealand, in place of a seamer.



He's got decent skills but is mentally weak. Hopefully he can sort that mental aspect out and become a part of our stable of good bowlers. Riaz offers pace and bounce, very useful in Australia, as we saw at the last WC.



That's fine. If he has figures of 10-1-40-1 on average, he's done his job.

He's not the worst bowler in the world. But he can be easy to milk. He has a role to play but don't want him to be the sole spinner in our team.

 

[Ellipsism]

Bowling 129-132 km/h pies doesn't belong at the international level. To drop Junaid now would be unfair, but I don't see him being in the squad by the end of next year.

I like the look of Rumman, he's not the most talented bloke but he's got this uncanny habit of picking up wickets.

 

[Suleiman]

His grandmother could push him out of the XI, he weighs like 12 lbs these days and grunts when bowling 125 kph pies. People will say but but but champions trophy, where it was actually Hasan carrying the attack and Junaid actually got a start vs SL or Eng can't remember which where he was getting spanked. Also had 0 performances leading up to the tournament in domestics. Was averaging 40 odd there. Only a matter of time.

 

[Mirpur express]

I like his swagger but if Juniad gets his mojo 2013 back then we have a good selection headache our pace looks good for w/c 19

 

[babajee]

Junaid is toothless

 

[aloo paratha]

How many top order or middle order bats did Abbas take out?

More than the amount of wickets Amir got in the whole series

 

[Bruh]

He's not the worst bowler in the world. But he can be easy to milk. He has a role to play but don't want him to be the sole spinner in our team.

Only in Pakistan would people be bashing the number one ranked allrrounder and calling him complete garbage. I realize he's not the best but the way your talking about him you'd think he's ranked number 1000.