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Will the BRICS pave way for peace and greater geopolitical cooperation between Bharat & China?

While it would be great if India could build better relations with China, I still think one still must 'sleep with one eye open', when it comes to China. Nehru did all the bhai-bhai stuff in the 1960s only to have China attack and defeat India badly in 1963. They haven't changed much since.
 
China won't have any issue with India at all, if India continue to live as small brother. Any partnership with US is seen as antagonist to Chinese interests.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
China won't have any issue with India at all, if India continue to live as small brother. Any partnership with US is seen as antagonist to Chinese interests.
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The world of diplomacy is about mutual respect. Small brother / Big Brother is western language which fails in the modern world.

The relationship of Krishna & Sudama is the best example of how relationships must be honoured.
 
gani999 said:
While it would be great if India could build better relations with China, I still think one still must 'sleep with one eye open', when it comes to China. Nehru did all the bhai-bhai stuff in the 1960s only to have China attack and defeat India badly in 1963. They haven't changed much since.
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This is not 1962 anymore. Everyone is vigilant now but at the same time this is not the time to be too cynical. Relationships are built on trust, shared goals.
 
i hope so, i also hope it results in better relations with Pakistan too. Irrespective of how I feel about both countries political setup, we cannot ignore that we will always be Neighbours and need to find a way to live peacefully. Having a normal relationship with China also makes it easier for India to have a better bargaining chip with western countries. If India has a bad relationship with China, we may end up in the in the western camp. We should not do that and hence we see slight realignment that is currently happening.

India, considering the past history, will never trust west fully. We should always stay as neutral as practically possible while trying to pull our country out of developing status.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
China won't have any issue with India at all, if India continue to live as small brother. Any partnership with US is seen as antagonist to Chinese interests.
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Modi actually was in awe of Xi, Xi has been a state guest for Gujarat , the jhoola pics are still fresh in my memory lol.
China is too wary of US, they literally started the 1962 war, India cannot expect friendliness from Chinese army, Chinese politicians and Corporations definitely but not the army.
 
SportsWarrior said:
i hope so, i also hope it results in better relations with Pakistan too. Irrespective of how I feel about both countries political setup, we cannot ignore that we will always be Neighbours and need to find a way to live peacefully. Having a normal relationship with China also makes it easier for India to have a better bargaining chip with western countries. If India has a bad relationship with China, we may end up in the in the western camp. We should not do that and hence we see slight realignment that is currently happening.

India, considering the past history, will never trust west fully. We should always stay as neutral as practically possible while trying to pull our country out of developing status.
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Shouldn’t trust anyone, among West itself the Five eyes are separate from NATO.
Self interests above all for every nation.
 
Big political win for Putin actually. He will show himself as the guy who made peace between 2 giants like India and China. That will rub it in to the west.
 
We should not trust China. Every time we have, they have stabbed us in the back

Be carefull always.
 
Pakistan failed to grab an opportunity to hold bilateral talks with India in recent SCO summit, however China grab this opportunity in BRICS and have a bilateral talk with India.
 
Devadwal said:
We should not trust China. Every time we have, they have stabbed us in the back

Be carefull always.
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This.

I don't trust China and will never trust Pakistani Army/ISI.

This is more of a desperate attempt by Putin to bring together 2 major rivals in China and India. Putin wants to show a united front to the West. How long will this last is remains to be seen.

CCP is expansionist and ruthless with it. May be Putin promised China more cheap oil for China's ailing economy. In return, China has to behave well with India. But how long can this last?
 
Right now Chinese economy is struggling and Indian economy is flying. The moment China senses any weakness in Indian economy or leadership, all peaceful accords signed will be torn to pieces.
 
Champ_Pal said:
Right now Chinese economy is struggling and Indian economy is flying. The moment China senses any weakness in Indian economy or leadership, all peaceful accords signed will be torn to pieces.
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Chinese economy downturn is a Western propaganda, if Chinese economy is down then G7 without US are down the drain.
 
JaDed said:
Chinese economy downturn is a Western propaganda, if Chinese economy is down then G7 without US are down the drain.
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Chnese stock market is an indication of their economy. All of their major businesses are down the drain. They are all at all time lows. This is after China pumped half a trillion into its economy. Still that dragon is not waking up.

I held a few Chinese stocks and sold them for loss recently. I could not trust their numbers and economy. Finally had to bite the bullet and got out of it.
 
Champ_Pal said:
Chnese stock market is an indication of their economy. All of their major businesses are down the drain. They are all at all time lows. This is after China pumped half a trillion into its economy. Still that dragon is not waking up.

I held a few Chinese stocks and sold them for loss recently. I could not trust their numbers and economy. Finally had to bite the bullet and got out of it.
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Stock markets are not really an indicator of the economy.
Pakistani Stock exchange reached highest in Oct, doesn’t mean Zilch..
 
JaDed said:
Stock markets are not really an indicator of the economy.
Pakistani Stock exchange reached highest in Oct, doesn’t mean Zilch..
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I can only tell you what Western media is telling about Chinese economy which you may disregard.

Stock Market does not show the entire picture, but it is a good indication of the chinese spending and the overall mood of the Chinese public. All of their major industries including Real Estate are in major downturn. I am not saying that this will go on forever. But at the moment, they are not doing well. Even the stimulus that CCP provided did not help them. There was a temporary euphoria and stocks recovered. But it died down fast.
A very good read about Chinese economy.
www.foreignaffairs.com

China’s Real Economic Crisis

The Chinese economy is stuck. Following Beijing’s decision, in late 2022, to abruptly end its draconian “zero COVID” policy, many observers assumed that China’s growth engine would rapidly reignite. After years of pandemic lockdowns that brought some economic sectors to a virtual halt, reopening...
www.foreignaffairs.com www.foreignaffairs.com

I believe Western propaganda over Chinese propaganda any day.
 
Some may believe that China’s economy is in decline while India’s is surpassing it, but such perspectives may reflect a narrow view of the broader global economic landscape.

While India, compared to China, is still classified as a developing country, its potential to become one of the world’s leading economies is undeniable. As wealth creation continues and a growing middle class emerges, India is on a natural upward trajectory. This growth will likely persist until it reaches standards comparable to developed nations. However, it is important to recognize that India’s economic rise follows a different path than China’s, each country experiencing unique challenges and opportunities.

Also, Indians need to stop pretending to act like Israel in the region, Indians aren't colonizers nor going to war with any of its neighbors over territory dispute, that era has passed.
 
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Champ_Pal said:
I can only tell you what Western media is telling about Chinese economy which you may disregard.

Stock Market does not show the entire picture, but it is a good indication of the chinese spending and the overall mood of the Chinese public. All of their major industries including Real Estate are in major downturn. I am not saying that this will go on forever. But at the moment, they are not doing well. Even the stimulus that CCP provided did not help them. There was a temporary euphoria and stocks recovered. But it died down fast.
A very good read about Chinese economy.
www.foreignaffairs.com

China’s Real Economic Crisis

The Chinese economy is stuck. Following Beijing’s decision, in late 2022, to abruptly end its draconian “zero COVID” policy, many observers assumed that China’s growth engine would rapidly reignite. After years of pandemic lockdowns that brought some economic sectors to a virtual halt, reopening...
www.foreignaffairs.com www.foreignaffairs.com

I believe Western propaganda over Chinese propaganda any day.
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I don’t have to believe any propaganda, The fall of Chinese economy has been going on since 1990s.. it’s still the same.

One can judge an opinion based on inherent biases of the nature of publication , for example I don’t judge Indian economy based on Indian media or bias towards India from Guardian or NY times.

The only truth I know is the amount of times Americans met Chinese so they stop dumping goods in their countries, even they are being asked to slow down on EVs, which they will lead someday in innovation.
 
JaDed said:
Shouldn’t trust anyone, among West itself the Five eyes are separate from NATO.
Self interests above all for every nation.
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Absolutely, which is the reason we should normalize our relationship with neighbors, especially China. West exploits our issues and tries to pull us towards them while acting finding ways drive neighbors apart.
 
HalBass9 said:
Also, Indians need to stop pretending to act like Israel in the region, Indians aren't colonizers nor going to war with any of its neighbors over territory dispute, that era has passed.
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Why do a lot of Pakistanis feel that?
Apart from PoK & Aksai Chin, we have not expressed any desire to claim foreign lands even though many other neighbouring territories are much easier for us to claim. We are not an expansionist nation and that’s nothing to be proud of. Ideally we should be controlling all lands from Afghanistan till Tibet and from Kashmir to Sri Lanka. They’re all dominions of Ancient Mahabharat with Sanatani heritage.
 
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If India China can mend their differences, the western world over will collapse in a jiffy. The animosity between China and India doesnt have any solid foundation. It should gradually change into a healthy rivalry but it will be a slow gradual organic process over a few decades.
This is just an optimistic take a lot of factors can disrupt this friendly vision of Asian century!
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
If India China can mend their differences, the western world over will collapse in a jiffy. The animosity between China and India doesnt have any solid foundation. It should gradually change into a healthy rivalry but it will be a slow gradual organic process over a few decades.
This is just an optimistic take a lot of factors can disrupt this friendly vision of Asian century!
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I think China has already been made aware of our military capabilities. If we were a vulnerable nation they wouldn’t have backed down under anyone’s influence. It’s not just about economy but Bharat especially under the current nationalist wave is not a nation to mess with. Honestly this generation in Bharat has not seen a war and hence don’t fear the consequences. Rather the majority of people in Bharat will fully back or rather pressurize the government and military to go on a full scale war at the slightest of provocation. China is no silly nation. They’re well aware of this. They don’t wanna lose Tibet and Aksai Chin for the sake Arunachal Pradesh.
 
China and India are far too big to co-exist next door to each other.

With rapidly depleting global resources and both Nations looking to secure a monopoly on the global economy... Both heads will clash. The border issue will always remain and I'm sure the West (USA and Friends) will inevitably look to compromise any friendly negotiations.
 
Abstraction1 said:
China and India are far too big to co-exist next door to each other.

With rapidly depleting global resources and both Nations looking to secure a monopoly on the global economy... Both heads will clash. The border issue will always remain and I'm sure the West (USA and Friends) will inevitably look to compromise any friendly negotiations.
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It’s not unprecedented.
US and Canada coexist just fine although I would agree that Canada can hardly even be considered a country. More of a puppet state of the US.

China knows it has to back off in this standoff else Bharat can take Tibet away from them.
 
Bhaijaan said:
It’s not unprecedented.
US and Canada coexist just fine although I would agree that Canada can hardly even be considered a country. More of a puppet state of the US.

China knows it has to back off in this standoff else Bharat can take Tibet away from them.
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The second part 😂😂
 
Bhaijaan said:
It is obvious that this romance between Bharat and China will annoy many.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1901672376351240371
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It shouldn't annoy anyone who actually has good wishes for the continent of Asia. It will be very good for India to join with other nations like China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and other Gulf states in strategic economic co-operation. Pakistan will also benefit from it as a regional player with good ties to many of those countries.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
It shouldn't annoy anyone who actually has good wishes for the continent of Asia. It will be very good for India to join with other nations like China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and other Gulf states in strategic economic co-operation. Pakistan will also benefit from it as a regional player with good ties to many of those countries.
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Iran will have to become a responsible nation before it can associate itself with reputed nations like Bharat, China.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Iran will have to become a responsible nation before it can associate itself with reputed nations like Bharat, China.
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From what I can see happening in the middle east, Iran has realised this and is winding down it's provocative attempts to widen it's influence there. They won't want to be left behind, they don't have friends outside of the east.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
From what I can see happening in the middle east, Iran has realised this and is winding down it's provocative attempts to widen it's influence there. They won't want to be left behind, they don't have friends outside of the east.
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Iran which is the son of the former Persian kingdom has ruined its image in the last few years. Israelis humiliated them way too much in front of the whole world and whatever little reputation was left was ruined when they messed with our brother Pakistan only to get jackhammered back to their regular life of every day zalalat.
 
The world needs an alternate system, there is no way current system works for nations not interested in war.

China and India need to start working together, Modi started on the right note with Xi.

Last week was good, finally some normalcy returning.
 
JaDed said:
The world needs an alternate system, there is no way current system works for nations not interested in war.

China and India need to start working together, Modi started on the right note with Xi.

Last week was good, finally some normalcy returning.
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China won't trust India. They know the Indians could easily go running to the US with just one wink from the direction of Uncle Sam.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
China won't trust India. They know the Indians could easily go running to the US with just one wink from the direction of Uncle Sam.
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China trusts Pakistan.. India is easier, if it comes to being US ally.

These things aside, India will not be an open market for China like Pakistan is, hence why the issue.
China and India don’t need to trust each other , they just need to work together for a different system.

China works with Japan, Skorea all the time.
 
JaDed said:
China trusts Pakistan.. India is easier, if it comes to being US ally.

These things aside, India will not be an open market for China like Pakistan is, hence why the issue.
China and India don’t need to trust each other , they just need to work together for a different system.

China works with Japan, Skorea all the time.
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India is opposing trade routes being established through Pakistan. I guess if India lifts these objections then China might consider India a worthwhile trade partner rather than a consistent nuisance.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
India is opposing trade routes being established through Pakistan. I guess if India lifts these objections then China might consider India a worthwhile trade partner rather than a consistent nuisance.
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I would let China speak for that, China has a difficult relationship with all its neighbours except Nkorea and Pakistan, because they play to its tunes.

If not playing by Chinese rules is being nuisance, India rather be a nuisance to them.
 
JaDed said:
I would let China speak for that, China has a difficult relationship with all its neighbours except Nkorea and Pakistan, because they play to its tunes.

If not playing by Chinese rules is being nuisance, India rather be a nuisance to them.
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Exactly. China has bigger concerns than Pakistan-India song and dance so they will look to build partnerships with those who are serious about protecting themselves from the homogony of western imperialism. Indians are not, they would happily take a bit part role as long as they get some crumbs from the table.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Exactly. China has bigger concerns than Pakistan-India song and dance so they will look to build partnerships with those who are serious about protecting themselves from the homogony of western imperialism. Indians are not, they would happily take a bit part role as long as they get some crumbs from the table.
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Yes , North Korea and Pakistan only ones that have a serious partnership with China, congratulations on that.

As an Indian passport holder I’m glad India is not giving into China completely.

Also on Western crumbs let me not get started on Pakistan’s new 20% defence increase to appease American Defense.
 
JaDed said:
Yes , North Korea and Pakistan only ones that have a serious partnership with China, congratulations on that.

As an Indian passport holder I’m glad India is not giving into China completely.

Also on Western crumbs let me not get started on Pakistan’s new 20% defence increase to appease American Defense.
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Yet China still has a longstanding relationship with Pakistan whereas they don't with India. Do you have any explanation for that?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Yet China still has a longstanding relationship with Pakistan whereas they don't with India. Do you have any explanation for that?
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I have no explanation for why China and US have a long standing relationship with Pakistani Establishment, but my guess is they are better for American and Chinese rulers than India is.
 
JaDed said:
I have no explanation for why China and US have a long standing relationship with Pakistani Establishment, but my guess is they are better for American and Chinese rulers than India is.
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China wants to recreate the old silk route, that means Pakistan would be part of the project. US just wants the whole world to serve their interests, don't think they differentiate between Pakistan and India.
 
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