Will the Pakistan culture tolerate PSL cheerleaders?

[dayvancowboy]

If people and mullahs object than it will be great for creating controversy and free publicity, a totally win situation for PCB.

I say get local girls and make it more controversial.

Mullahs will object to anything that would not present Pakistan as an extremist cesspool to the rest of the world.

All this talk about protecting morals goes out the window given how women are treated in Pakistan.

 

[santos11]

If Pakistan can have female cheerleaders in their matches in UAE , then why not in the PSL ?

 

[eradicator]

tbh, I never found them useless . Instead of showing the replay of a great shot the camera always focuses on the same dance steps being played again.

 

[Evi1]

I'll take traditional bhangra dancers over cheap looking cheer leaders any day.

Pakistan is one place where objectification of women is quite minimum, so let's keep it at that. 'Sex sells' is such an overrated concept.

But since PSL is taking place in Dubai, it shouldn't matter if there are or aren't cheerleaders.

 

[PTI tsunami]

Why should they have half naked women dancing people will come for cricket not dancers


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[dayvancowboy]

I'll take traditional bhangra dancers over cheap looking cheer leaders any day.

Pakistan is one place where objectification of women is quite minimum, so let's keep it at that. 'Sex sells' is such an overrated concept.

But since PSL is taking place in Dubai, it shouldn't matter if there are or aren't cheerleaders.

Except for people like Ayaan Ali and all. Pretending that Pakistan is some type of oasis for women given how women are treated in the country, no one's being fooled.

But I will agree with bhangra dancers though.

 

[Evi1]

Except for people like Ayaan Ali and all. Pretending that Pakistan is some type of oasis for women given how women are treated in the country, no one's being fooled.

But I will agree with bhangra dancers though.

I'm not fooling anyone, but try not to act like a fool and put words in my mouth and assume things. Pakistan is indeed one of the very few countries where crass objectification of women for entertainment purposes is quite minimum. I meant nothing more and nothing less than that.

 

[offstump]

Can they just get some good looking girls in tight shalwar kameez to pump up the crowd? You know, mingle with the people and have them answer trivia questions, launch souvenirs into the crowd etc? You see that all the time in North American sports.

 

[Dman]

Good, the focus should only be on Cricket.

 

[Thivagar]

I hate cheer leaders in cricket because it feels so out of place. No cheerleaders in cricket please.

 

[czar]

Don't know anybody who watches T20 for Cheerleaders.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Can they just get some good looking girls in tight shalwar kameez to pump up the crowd? You know, mingle with the people and have them answer trivia questions, launch souvenirs into the crowd etc? You see that all the time in North American sports.

Foreign exotic looking women make much better cheerleaders

 

[Anfield]

"Will the Pakistan culture tolerate PSL cheerleaders?" LOL! Don't understand what do people think what kind of country Pakistan is? Maybe people should watch some movies and dramas and then ask this question.

 

[Anfield]

Said above, I don't like cheerleaders in cricket. Think they serve no purpose and has not history with the game.

 

[last_knight]

Title was changed by Mods. Originally the title was "PSL cheerleaders".OP was more of a query as if someone have any info from franchises about cheerleaders.And I am very much expecting young boys in traditional dress to be cheerleaders.

All this talk of cheerleader girls and social tolerance was not on my mind.

On another note , Late night "Morning Shows" at Pakistani Channels have more non sense and vulgarity as compared to Cheerleaders of any league, yet these morning shows have high ratings.

 

[last_knight]

"Will the Pakistan culture tolerate PSL cheerleaders?" LOL! Don't understand what do people think what kind of country Pakistan is? Maybe people should watch some movies and dramas and then ask this question.

Above post was in reply to this.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Waste of time esp when the director cuts to the cheerleaders instead of showing a reply of the action.

Was it South Africa where they had some real cool fire breathing drummers.

PLS should bring out something original, maybe the dhol guys and show off Pakistani culture.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Don't know anybody who watches T20 for Cheerleaders.

Makes you wonder why they ever appeared in the IPL really.

 

[Bilal7]

Sorry, not everyone wants Pakistan to be like Saudi Arabia.

Do you realize what I was talking about? How does Saudi Arabia come into this?

Says the guy living in Mississauga, Canada.

Which is a great place to practice your beliefs without anyone batting an eyelid. I don't understand how any of this relates to Pakistani culture's rejection of dancing women though.

Dear, this is known as cultural harmony and it happens everywhere in the world.

There is something wrong in thought process if we view regional traditions as cultural divide. And we have to rectify this.

Unfortunately, Pakistan's problems with ethnicity are not common in other countries. If you turn the Lahore Qalanders into a full-fledged Punjabi team, with Punjabi cheerleaders, music, etc. What happens when a Karachi player is dropped just due to tactical reasons? How will people like Yahya Hussaini respond?

 

[keyser]

Will they tolerate it? Publically on the news media no they will act holier than thou.

Privately they will not have any issue and in most cases love it. Its similar to the Pak players acting holier than thou and as soon as they are abroad they are partying in nightclubs and drinking the day before the match.

 

[javiersuka]

Somethings are not meant to be watched with the family, it unnecessarily puts you in embarrassing position. Depends what Pakistani audience wants here..

 

[Rafa]

You know, mingle with th291926]Can they just get some good looking girls in tight shalwar kameez to pump up the crowd? e people and have them answer trivia questions,[/B] launch souvenirs into the crowd etc? You see that all the time in North American sports.

Agree here. The Girls go into the crowd sharing their experience and asking the spectators if they are enjoying, their favorite player and what expectations they have from the match etc etc

 

[Bilal7]

Agree here. The Girls go into the crowd sharing their experience and asking the spectators if they are enjoying, their favorite player and what expectations they have from the match etc etc

Why should it only be girls? Why not male journalists too?

 

[Rafa]

Why should it only be girls? Why not male journalists too?

It can be both but as far I have seen Girls mostly do the presentation and other trivial interview stuffs with the crowds so they would be better. we have male cricketers doing the serious commentary so.

 

[King Cobra]

Makes you wonder why they ever appeared in the IPL really.

Because the concept is so hit in NBA leagues even though it could be scrapped since its not used in football . So cheerleaders and league matches arent compulsory to be a norm in every sport.

 

[DanishJamil]

Keeping in mind that PSL will one day be organized in Pakistan, its a straight No. Though you can use folk theme

 

[Syed1]

Cheerleaders is an entirely North American concept, it was used in the IPL because Indians are wannabe Americans in all aspects of life (I don't mean this in a disrespectful way, just something I have observed)


We have our own culture, which does not permit objectifying women by having them dance after a boundary is struck or a wicket falls.

 

[hafeezrocks]

Why is cheerleaders required anyway? Who do they cheer? The players or the crowd? It was apes by the IPL and afterwards became a norm in every league

 

[Zeeraq]

No cheerleader in Pakistan's T-20 league? Six PSL franchise owners reject proposal

Karachi: The six franchises of the Pakistan Super League (PSL) have rejected a proposal of the Cricket Board to have female cheerleaders for the fourth edition to be played in the country and UAE.

According to a source in the Pakistan Cricket Board, the PSL secretariat had suggested to the franchise owners that if they were willing to shell out USD 14000 each, it could hire female cheerleaders to perform during PSL 4, which begins from February 14.

"The franchise owners rejected the proposal firstly objecting to them having to shell out USD 14,000 dollars and secondly because they felt the presence of cheerleaders would not be helpful in enhancing the popularity and following of the league," the source said.

He said some franchise owners had also raised the point how female cheerleaders could be allowed in the PSL given the conservative culture of Pakistani society.

"The franchise owners were assured the female cheerleaders would be wearing proper eastern dresses and would not wear anything objectionable and they would perform in one corner of the ground where the matches are to be held," he said.

The source said the franchise owners did not go for the PCB proposal as they were already struggling to make profits from the league and have been under pressure to also submit bank guarantees to the Board before the start of the tournament.

The source said the PSL officials felt it would be a good idea to follow the example of other leagues, which have female cheerleaders, and introduce the concept this time in the PSL.

In the first three PSL editions, the PCB had relied on male dancers and performers to entertain the crowd between overs.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...x-psl-franchise-owners-reject-proposal/355009

 

[PakPremi]

Karachi: The six franchises of the Pakistan Super League (PSL) have rejected a proposal of the Cricket Board to have female cheerleaders for the fourth edition to be played in the country and UAE.

According to a source in the Pakistan Cricket Board, the PSL secretariat had suggested to the franchise owners that if they were willing to shell out USD 14000 each, it could hire female cheerleaders to perform during PSL 4, which begins from February 14.

"The franchise owners rejected the proposal firstly objecting to them having to shell out USD 14,000 dollars and secondly because they felt the presence of cheerleaders would not be helpful in enhancing the popularity and following of the league," the source said.

He said some franchise owners had also raised the point how female cheerleaders could be allowed in the PSL given the conservative culture of Pakistani society.

"The franchise owners were assured the female cheerleaders would be wearing proper eastern dresses and would not wear anything objectionable and they would perform in one corner of the ground where the matches are to be held," he said.

The source said the franchise owners did not go for the PCB proposal as they were already struggling to make profits from the league and have been under pressure to also submit bank guarantees to the Board before the start of the tournament.

The source said the PSL officials felt it would be a good idea to follow the example of other leagues, which have female cheerleaders, and introduce the concept this time in the PSL.

In the first three PSL editions, the PCB had relied on male dancers and performers to entertain the crowd between overs.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...x-psl-franchise-owners-reject-proposal/355009

There is nothing more cringeworthy than seeing the cheerleaders doing silly dance steps after each boundary. It maybe Tamasha cricket but still need to retain some seriousness to make it compelling viewing of cricket skills on display. I raher view the portrayal of emotions of players and spectators.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Cheerleaders is an entirely North American concept, it was used in the IPL because Indians are wannabe Americans in all aspects of life (I don't mean this in a disrespectful way, just something I have observed)


We have our own culture, which does not permit objectifying women by having them dance after a boundary is struck or a wicket falls.

Cheerleaders were rejected even by British football grounds when they were first introduced following the first big TV deal with Sky. You are right, it is an American concept, and unlikely to be understood in an alien culture. Even the IPL cheerleaders complained about being harassed by Indian sex pests.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

What can be a better way to objectify women than to have them as cheerleaders in a male centric cricket league? It makes me cringe to see the 'woke' ppl advocating for cheerleaders. I'd rather have a women's PSL than to see women as cheerleaders in an all male PSL.

 

[Hitman]

Don't thin cheerleaders are required in PSL. Most Pakistani fans aren't in favor of them anyways. It's all about what the consumers want. Cheerleaders would rather have a negative impact in PSL.

 

[Itachi]

Cheerleading is used wrongly in ipl. Watch any basketball game even in high school games of US and you'll see how Cheerleading takes an integral role. In cricket they are just eye candy. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Cheerleading is used wrongly in ipl. Watch any basketball game even in high school games of US and you'll see how Cheerleading takes an integral role. In cricket they are just eye candy. Nothing more, nothing less.

Lets just be honest. Its eye candy everywhere.

 

[Itachi]

Lets just be honest. Its eye candy everywhere.

On surface view, it does seem like that. But US cheerleading is on different level. The jumps, moves, synchronization they make is praiseworthy. It's an art.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

On surface view, it does seem like that. But US cheerleading is on different level. The jumps, moves, synchronization they make is praiseworthy. It's an art.

It doesn't hurt that they do these beautifully synchronised jumps and moves in tight tops and tiny skirts, but the difference is, we westerners know that this clothing is for aesthetic purposes only, whereas the eastern male assumes it is tied to sexual enticement.

 

[Itachi]

It doesn't hurt that they do these beautifully synchronised jumps and moves in tight tops and tiny skirts, but the difference is, we westerners know that this clothing is for aesthetic purposes only, whereas the eastern male assumes it is tied to sexual enticement.

I agree. That seems to be the main issue. In tennis also, I think the beginning of short skirt raised many eye brows but later it was accepted.

Desi culture isn't yet ready to accept these types of clothing for sports purposes and hence, probably shouldn't be placed where family will be there. Though frankly speaking, the issue should have been how these cheerleaders are actually portraying a misleading picture of being a cheerleader.

 

[Darkrai]

I don't want cheerleaders in PSL.

 

[Savak]

I find this pathetic and sad and this is where Pakistan desperately needs a Mustafa Kemal Ataturk to purge the religious extremism and tolerance in society. In our society our elite, socialites, celebrities dress up scantily in parties but we as a society cannot tolerate cheerleaders.

Pathetic, no one is asking the chearleaders to be dressed in Bikini's but for god sakes there has to be some level of tolerance and progression in society, getting attractive girls involved further adds to the appeals of these leagues. Be innovative like arranging for a model ramp show during intervals, arrange for a brief concert during the break or at the start of the day.

You go on instagram and I am shocked to see so many young Pakistani female aspiring models who haven't really made it yet but put their portofolio's up aggressively and I sort of scratch my head at the amount of good looking girls available out there.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

On surface view, it does seem like that. But US cheerleading is on different level. The jumps, moves, synchronization they make is praiseworthy. It's an art.

If i want to see art, i'd go to theatre.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

It doesn't hurt that they do these beautifully synchronised jumps and moves in tight tops and tiny skirts, but the difference is, we westerners know that this clothing is for aesthetic purposes only, whereas the eastern male assumes it is tied to sexual enticement.

And what differentiate aesthetic purpose from sexual enticement?

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Rather than having cheerleaders, why not have like a Quwali band by the boundaries?

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Rather than having cheerleaders, why not have like a Quwali band by the boundaries?

Because ppl go to stadiums to watch cricket. They can listen to Quwwali in a concert or on their smartphones and other electronic devices.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Because ppl go to stadiums to watch cricket. They can listen to Quwwali in a concert or on their smartphones and other electronic devices.

Then why have a DJ? Why have an opening ceremony?

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Then why have a DJ? Why have an opening ceremony?

That's exactly why we don't need Qawwali. We already have enough entertainment in cricket these days. And lets be honest, a lot of ppl find those long opening ceremonies cringe worthy and annoying.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

That's exactly why we don't need Qawwali. We already have enough entertainment in cricket these days. And lets be honest, a lot of ppl find those long opening ceremonies cringe worthy and annoying.

Teams making 120-130 isn’t really entertaining, I can’t recall a game in the PSL where a team scored 200+?

Entertainment comes from 4s and 6s, which is what’s lacking in the PSL.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Teams making 120-130 isn’t really entertaining, I can’t recall a game in the PSL where a team scored 200+?

Entertainment comes from 4s and 6s, which is what’s lacking in the PSL.

Some of the most thrilling and iconic PSL matches have been low scoring. And as you said, entertainment in PSL can only be qualitatively judged through the actual cricket on the ground.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Some of the most thrilling and iconic PSL matches have been low scoring. And as you said, entertainment in PSL can only be qualitatively judged through the actual cricket on the ground.

I agree but from the fans perspective, they don’t want to go home with an early finish be it a thrilling low scoring game, they want batsmen from both teams going bezerk, and with the pitches in UAE, I don’t see that happening as our bowlers are too good in those conditions.

 

[Darkrai]

What is the point of cheerleading? To make men happy? To make it appealing for them? If this isn't objectifying women then i don't know what is. And people talk about progressing as a society.

If some Pakistanis want to watch women dance half naked they can watch them by other means. The elders in Pakistan who follow cricket do not want this, nor do most Pakistanis in general. It's about cricket, and it should stay that way.

I saw the cheerleading in PSL, it was extremely lame and out of place.

 

[ManFan]

Either go full-throttle or not at all.

Pakistan will not do the former so the latter seems more reasonable.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

I agree but from the fans perspective, they don’t want to go home with an early finish be it a thrilling low scoring game, they want batsmen from both teams going bezerk, and with the pitches in UAE, I don’t see that happening as our bowlers are too good in those conditions.

But that’s not necessarily true. If scoring boundaries is the main objective of a format than it’s not feasible for that format to produce world class bowlers. I as a fan want to see quality cover drives by quality batsmen, quality Yorkers by quality pacers and quality spin from quality spinners. In a nutshell, I as a fan want to see competitive cricket. As a fan, I can only speak for myself.

 

[last_knight]

If franchises do find them in a position to spend money on cheerleaders, it better be a group of Edhi Hom/School Kids from their representative cities. They can dress them in Team kits/Traditional Dressing and folk dance. This way, at least it will help some needy ones.

 

[moghul]

What is the point of cheerleading? To make men happy? To make it appealing for them? If this isn't objectifying women then i don't know what is. And people talk about progressing as a society.

If some Pakistanis want to watch women dance half naked they can watch them by other means. The elders in Pakistan who follow cricket do not want this, nor do most Pakistanis in general. It's about cricket, and it should stay that way.

I saw the cheerleading in PSL, it was extremely lame and out of place.

Cheerleading is not needed in PSL matches in Pakistan, I enjoy dhol even more .

 

[Itachi]

What is the point of cheerleading? To make men happy? To make it appealing for them? If this isn't objectifying women then i don't know what is. And people talk about progressing as a society.

If some Pakistanis want to watch women dance half naked they can watch them by other means. The elders in Pakistan who follow cricket do not want this, nor do most Pakistanis in general. It's about cricket, and it should stay that way.

I saw the cheerleading in PSL, it was extremely lame and out of place.

Cheerleading is gender neutral. Men do cheerleading too. So if it is objectifying, then it objectfies both men and women.

 

[Greenstorm]

No, keep them away.

 

[Mann Bharya]

A lot of people get entertained by the cheerleaders and Pakistan govt and PCB needs to grow a pair and allow cheerleaders in Pakistan as well

 

[YousafTheBeast]

A lot of people get entertained by the cheerleaders and Pakistan govt and PCB needs to grow a pair and allow cheerleaders in Pakistan as well

I’m pretty sure 99% of Pakistan fans don’t want to see cheerleaders.

And, cheerleading isn’t dancing when there’s a boundary or a wicket as seen in the IPL, it’s about performing stunts, making pyramids and basket tossing, not to seduce men sitting at the front row with their dance moves and skirts.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Cheerleading is gender neutral. Men do cheerleading too. So if it is objectifying, then it objectfies both men and women.

That means Pakistan must be the most forward thinking cricket nation today then, as they had mixed cheerleaders in the last PSL competition, 2 boys and 2 girls.

Fantastic stuff from the land of progress!

 

[Itachi]

That means Pakistan must be the most forward thinking cricket nation today then, as they had mixed cheerleaders in the last PSL competition, 2 boys and 2 girls.

Fantastic stuff from the land of progress!

I havent seen psl but if they have included, then I'll cheer for it. It shows someone actually knows that cheerleading isn't just for eye candy. Bring the proper stunts, pyramids and i am sure people will soon pass the stage of seeing them as a decoration.

 

[Pakpak]

Don't understand the point of cheerleaders, anywhere.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

I havent seen psl but if they have included, then I'll cheer for it. It shows someone actually knows that cheerleading isn't just for eye candy. Bring the proper stunts, pyramids and i am sure people will soon pass the stage of seeing them as a decoration.

Lol, why do we need to Americanise our own league?

We need to keep it within our culture, I’d be happy with a dhol player on stage.

 

[Itachi]

Lol, why do we need to Americanise our own league?

We need to keep it within our culture, I’d be happy with a dhol player on stage.

Those two aren't exclusive. You can have both. If the people wants dhol player, then it is a cultural occasion which will sit well with any audience with touch of being personal to the heart. I am all for it.

The point was, people misreading the act of cheerleading. It is portrayed as seducing man but when you will watch the actual cheerleading, your mind will go beyond that to the point of praising the stunts.

 

[Suleiman]

Only the hypocrites won't, there's a reason why Pakistan has one of the highest usage of *banned* sites in the world, same with India.

 

[Syed1]

Cheerleaders were rejected even by British football grounds when they were first introduced following the first big TV deal with Sky. You are right, it is an American concept, and unlikely to be understood in an alien culture. Even the IPL cheerleaders complained about being harassed by Indian sex pests.

I bet the seats directly behind the cheerleaders in an IPL match are the most popular ones and hardest to obtain.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Only the hypocrites won't, there's a reason why Pakistan has one of the highest usage of *banned* sites in the world, same with India.

Everyone is a hypocrite. Being labeled as hypocrite is hardly shameful.

 

[Adijazz1706]

Fooli American concept, the European football leagues do well to steer clear of this nonsense and so should the PSL. Better to get some traditional dhol guys as BGM and to get the crowd going.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

No need for cheerleaders in the PSL.

Useless concept.