Will this Asia Cup end up derailing the 2019 World Cup plans for teams?

[cricketindiafan]

Thread prompted by sudden discussions in India about Jadeja playing ahead of Pandya/Chahal on a long term basis.

These are extreme conditions with no swing, seam or bounce for pacers and not much turn for spinners. WC in Eng will be played on flat wickets which will be high scoring unlike 260 which seems a winning score here. Teams have gone for horses for courses policy with players like Amir and Faheem dropped and Jadeja suddenly replacing Pandya as the all rounder.

Will this derail India and Pakistan’s plans? Selectors and fans will obviously get swayed by performances here and dropping those replacements to go back to near settled squad will be difficult

 

[Ab Fan]

Too much complications already for India. Jadeja/Pandya, Kedhar, Rayudu,Rahul, Karthik, Dhoni, Manish, Raina, not sure what will be the XI?

 

[Slim]

Dont see it derailing Pakistan's plans because our core is still based on fast bowlers. However, for India the Mumbai and CSK mafia will get in as soon as the opportunity arises.

 

[the_outsider]

India has 8 ODIs downunder later this year on 300+ pitches. The real fine tuning will happen there.

Right now I don't see any problem except that no 4 position. I'm hoping Manish Pandey makes that his own for the WC.

And a lot of people are unhappy with Jhadav but he is going to be key in the WC.

 

[WengerOut]

In Indias case, you can't derail a derailed train.

 

[cricketindiafan]

India has 8 ODIs downunder later this year on 300+ pitches. The real fine tuning will happen there.

Right now I don't see any problem except that no 4 position. I'm hoping Manish Pandey makes that his own for the WC.

And a lot of people are unhappy with Jhadav but he is going to be key in the WC.

Jadeja and Jadhav have sealed their spots now, but will be useless in Australia and England

 

[Ab Fan]

India has 8 ODIs downunder later this year on 300+ pitches. The real fine tuning will happen there.

Right now I don't see any problem except that no 4 position. I'm hoping Manish Pandey makes that his own for the WC.

And a lot of people are unhappy with Jhadav but he is going to be key in the WC.

I always felt Manish Pandey would do very well at no.4 position. He is a kind of player who likes to build partnership and do the consolidation role and playing with Kohli at 3 would really help his game.

Unfortunately, I felt he was hard done by team management making him bat at 5 or 6(with Dhoni or Rahane coming at 4 at times),where he would mostly be required to come and play a quick-fire inning, a bit like what Raina used to do. He is more suitable to no.4 position IMO rather than a 5 or 6 where you need someone who although doesn't score big but gets 40-50 at a fast rate like Raina used to do.

Anything below 4 is lower for him IMO.

 

[happydavy]

I always felt Manish Pandey would do very well at no.4 position. He is a kind of player who likes to build partnership and do the consolidation role and playing with Kohli at 3 would really help his game.

Unfortunately, I felt he was hard done by team management making him bat at 5 or 6(with Dhoni or Rahane coming at 4 at times),where he would mostly be required to come and play a quick-fire inning, a bit like what Raina used to do. He is more suitable to no.4 position IMO rather than a 5 or 6 where you need someone who although doesn't score big but gets 40-50 at a fast rate like Raina used to do.

Anything below 4 is lower for him IMO.

don't think management likes him too much..Hasn't even got a game in Asia cup, this is when 2 matches were on consecutive days...He deserves to be in the playing XI but then they like Karthik and Rayadu..

 

[Syed1]

I'd say this Asia Cup is good for Pak, the team and the fans (myself included) were flying too high after recent string of excellent performances and the loss to India and close call against Afg was like a punch to the gut.

It has made us realize that Amir isn't all that great, UKS is Wahab Riaz level, Shaheen is the real deal, Hasan is letting fame get to his head, Shadab is the real superstar in the side and Nawaz isn't as bad as made out by PP experts. We also confirmed that Sarfaraz needs to bat at number 8 or lower because he is finished as a bat while Malik is well on his way to being a Pak ODI ATG.


Lots of lessons learned from the Asia Cup.

 

[Benchwarmer]

If India wins the Asia cup without the middle order being put under pressure then this tournament would be really pointless in terms of preparation

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

It can. For India this should be the 11 at the WC, irrespective of who performs / underperforms at the Asia cup


Rohit
Shikhar
Default *
Rahul
Dhoni + (will play, so no point discussing)
Pandey (can be tried in place of Uncle Jadhav)
Pandya (no seam AR groomed, so he has to play)
Bhuvi / Khaleel
Kuldeep
Chahal
Bumrah

For Pakistan, this should be the 11, irrespective of who fails / performs at the Asia cup

Imam (could & should improve his game)
Fakhar
Babar
Malik
Sarfraz + *
Asif (he'll come good on flat pitches, not on these graveyards)
Shadab
Amir
Hassan
Afridi
Usman

Pakistan strength is their bowling, so they have to go with 5 attacking options.


Amir, Usman (he'll be useful in English conditions) to share the new ball

Shaheen, Hassan, first and second change

Shadab the lone spinner.

Malik the 6th bowler.

 

[the_outsider]

Jadeja and Jadhav have sealed their spots now, but will be useless in Australia and England

Idk how Jadeja would do on those pitches. In any case he will be a backup in case hardik pickps up an injury or niggle.

But I think Jhadav will do well in the WC.

Remember the 2017 home ODI series against ENG? That is the only 350+ score series Jhadav played and look what he did. Highest scorer of the series. 232 runs in 3 matches avg of 77 SR of 144.

He's a very handy finisher on 320+ wickets. If he does well in the 5 ODIs in NZ later this year, then India should be very happy to have him bat at 6.

 

[the_outsider]

I always felt Manish Pandey would do very well at no.4 position. He is a kind of player who likes to build partnership and do the consolidation role and playing with Kohli at 3 would really help his game.

Unfortunately, I felt he was hard done by team management making him bat at 5 or 6(with Dhoni or Rahane coming at 4 at times),where he would mostly be required to come and play a quick-fire inning, a bit like what Raina used to do. He is more suitable to no.4 position IMO rather than a 5 or 6 where you need someone who although doesn't score big but gets 40-50 at a fast rate like Raina used to do.

Anything below 4 is lower for him IMO.

Spot on. I agree with you totally.

 

[barah_admi]

For India, I think Dhoni has to go but since he is the most powerful player in India, that will not happen. I'd much rather have Pant in as keeper and batsman. The rest is pretty straightforward, Dhawan, Rohit, Kohli, Pandya and Bumrah are a must.

Pakistan have a stable side whic hhas enough depth to rotate some players in and out. The core is Zaman, Babar, Malik, Hasan, Shadab, Faheem and possibly Amir. Junaid should get some games too, as should Afridi and the other opener is likely Imam or bringing back Talat?

 

[WengerOut]

Last nail in the coffin for India was CSK winning IPL. Mediocres like Rayudu, Jadeja, Chahar and Shardul Thakur got stuck like chewed bubble gum. And Dhoni has the backing of media (Read Star TV) despite being pathetic.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

If India wins the Asia cup without the middle order being put under pressure then this tournament would be really pointless in terms of preparation

Why do you want Rohit and Dhawan to fail every match? It's not their fault they bat well as openers.

 

[Benchwarmer]

Why do you want Rohit and Dhawan to fail every match? It's not their fault they bat well as openers.

I don't want them to fail every match.I just want someone from the middle order to get a big score so that the team can hone in on the ideal squad for the world cup

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Didn't know Asia Cup had so much power to derail our World Cup plans? I thought it is just another tournament and nobody takes it seriously in India?

 

[rhony]

India can't go far in the WC unless they slot Rahul at 4 and DK instead of Dhoni. Rahul is a mystery and it's surprising to see him not even in the 11 in the Asia cup. He's a complete batsman with some mental issues I think and team management clearly don't want him. He wasn't even in the game against HK. Rayudu is a dud and DK needs to bat lower. Manish is a TTF.

Shadab has been a revelation and Pak's opening pair seems to be set for the WC. Malik seems to have found his groove finally. Sarfraz is the biggest liability in the team and Hasan seems to have regressed. Shaheen should be in for Shenwari and if Hasan shows up, they have a lethal bowling unit. Batting is always mercurial with Pakistan but they seem to have a solid top 4.

 

[MMHS]

Can't say about other teams, but definitely not PAK - they have already started WC preparation by picking 6 pacers.

 

[Ahson8]

Can't say about other teams, but definitely not PAK - they have already started WC preparation by picking 6 pacers.

I am still worried that we are playing too much cricket in UAE leading to the World Cup. It would be nice if we could shift the Australia ODIs in Feb-March to Australia or England

 

[JattMaula]

Don't think so. WC is decent number of matches away. Plenty of time to flush down the accumulated filth.

 

[Bangalorean]

I'd say this Asia Cup is good for Pak, the team and the fans (myself included) were flying too high after recent string of excellent performances and the loss to India and close call against Afg was like a punch to the gut.

It has made us realize that Amir isn't all that great, UKS is Wahab Riaz level, Shaheen is the real deal, Hasan is letting fame get to his head, Shadab is the real superstar in the side and Nawaz isn't as bad as made out by PP experts. We also confirmed that Sarfaraz needs to bat at number 8 or lower because he is finished as a bat while Malik is well on his way to being a Pak ODI ATG.


Lots of lessons learned from the Asia Cup.

Very well summed up

 

[the_outsider]

I am still worried that we are playing too much cricket in UAE leading to the World Cup. It would be nice if we could shift the Australia ODIs in Feb-March to Australia or England

Pakistan has an ODI series in England just before the WC.

 

[Ahson8]

Pakistan has an ODI series in England just before the WC.

I know. That and the South Africa series is our best preparation for the World Cup. If could shift those Australia ODIs to AUS / Eng, I would be very satisfied with our preparation

 

[BaankeJi]

It is essential that Dhoni stays. Without Dhoni, Kohli will have no clue as to what to do. After world cup, Dhoni will retire.

 

[cricketindiafan]

Didn't know Asia Cup had so much power to derail our World Cup plans? I thought it is just another tournament and nobody takes it seriously in India?

Average Viewerships are currently 20-25% of an IPL match except for Ind-Pak which had nearly 75% of IPL viewership. Despite all out marketing, Star may not end up making profits as their ad slot inventory has not been sold out. So that’s an indicator of how seriously it’s being seen.

Thread is about how teams are likely to get impacted due to contrasting conditions leading to players not suitable for England cementing their spots in the squad ahead of certain starters.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Didn't know Asia Cup had so much power to derail our World Cup plans? I thought it is just another tournament and nobody takes it seriously in India?

Lol the test elitists are a dying breed in denial. Asia Cup has more audience than any test series for Asian nations. LOIs are lifeline for Asian countries. Those who say it has no relevance are in denial or trolling.

 

[MMHS]

I am still worried that we are playing too much cricket in UAE leading to the World Cup. It would be nice if we could shift the Australia ODIs in Feb-March to Australia or England

UAE is quite a demoralizing place to play cricket to be honest. I can bet, most cricket fans, on the match day of their team anxiously wait for the toss more than the game itself - and if their Captain loses the toss, immediate reaction is a deep breath. In recent times, most games in UAE has been one sided, simply because on such wickets, once you are a little behind, you can only go down to deeper trouble.

 

[WengerOut]

It is essential that Dhoni stays. Without Dhoni, Kohli will have no clue as to what to do. After world cup, Dhoni will retire.

Ultimately a batsman need to score some impactful runs. Can't always hide behind the excuse of helping captains which in my opinion Dhoni get undue credit for. Add to that his dodgy keeping nowadays. Only his fans want him in the team.

 

[yasir]

I'd say this Asia Cup is good for Pak, the team and the fans (myself included) were flying too high after recent string of excellent performances and the loss to India and close call against Afg was like a punch to the gut.

It has made us realize that Amir isn't all that great, UKS is Wahab Riaz level, Shaheen is the real deal, Hasan is letting fame get to his head, Shadab is the real superstar in the side and Nawaz isn't as bad as made out by PP experts. We also confirmed that Sarfaraz needs to bat at number 8 or lower because he is finished as a bat while Malik is well on his way to being a Pak ODI ATG.


Lots of lessons learned from the Asia Cup.

You are reading too much into UAE ODIs, like Misbah did all his life. England conditions are completely different. Now a days conditoons are so different, you need different team in different conditions, not in test but in Odis as well. UAE par score is 270, where as in England it will be 330, you need very different skill set players...

Nawaz always bowls well in UAE, every PSL he saves average Quetta team, not to mention PSL has million left arm spinners, that does not mean they can bowl anywhere.

Guys like Fakir, Asif and Faheem would be let to reach 330/350 on flat tracks. Malik and Sarfraz cannot hit 145 clicks seamers no matter how flat is wicket but Asif and Faheem can. You will be facing those bowlers where it comes at pace with bounce...

Usman never brings ball in, he will not be big threat against top teams, Amir and Afridi should Share new ball...

All these spin king are going to be useless in west, you need 3/4 stroke makers and 3/4 rotators. As far as spinners are concerned, you need wrist spinners not finger against western teams. Against Asian you need seamers...I will go with Yasir rather than Nawaz.

If Pakistani think tank thinking too much into UAE, we will definitely mess up WC plans. Good thing is Mickey understands those conditions well, there is a reason he has invested in modern players and cut down on Hafeez/ Azhar types...

 

[OmarKhan99]

I'd say this Asia Cup is good for Pak, the team and the fans (myself included) were flying too high after recent string of excellent performances and the loss to India and close call against Afg was like a punch to the gut.

It has made us realize that Amir isn't all that great, UKS is Wahab Riaz level, Shaheen is the real deal, Hasan is letting fame get to his head, Shadab is the real superstar in the side and Nawaz isn't as bad as made out by PP experts. We also confirmed that Sarfaraz needs to bat at number 8 or lower because he is finished as a bat while Malik is well on his way to being a Pak ODI ATG.


Lots of lessons learned from the Asia Cup.

You realized all of that in just two matches? That's quite unfair and harsh.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Pakistan is favorites to win the Asia Cup and the World Cup.

Too many good bowlers especially for World Cup in England.

It should be in our bag, barring a major batting debacle.

 

[AMSS]

It's odd to see washed up has-beens like Rayudu and Karthick being recycled for India when there's Rahul and Pant on the bench. Asia Cup being played on sluggish pitches wouldn't challenge these losers enough, setting India up for failure going ahead.

If only there were a way to include Prithvi in the playing XI too, he's just reeled off 129 of 81 balls in Vijay Hazare trophy today. The only consolation is that all three of them (Rahul, Pant, and Shaw) will feature in our test XI when Windies come around.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

It's odd to see washed up has-beens like Rayudu and Karthick being recycled for India when there's Rahul and Pant on the bench. Asia Cup being played on sluggish pitches wouldn't challenge these losers enough, setting India up for failure going ahead.

If only there were a way to include Prithvi in the playing XI too, he's just reeled off 129 of 81 balls in Vijay Hazare trophy today. The only consolation is that all three of them (Rahul, Pant, and Shaw) will feature in our test XI when Windies come around.

Looks like Rayudu, Karthik and Jadhav performed better than Rahul and Pant in IPL? I mean thats what I was told by IPL fans that now the players are selected on the basis of IPL performances. I hope one of the IPL fan can clear this doubt. If thats the case nobody should question their selection. Some of them will even say that BCCI and team management knows better than us armchair critics so we have to deal with it.

Also I have seen some of them already calling Khaleel as a product of IPL whereas the truth is he came after performing in the domestic cricket. I checked the number of IPL matches he played and it came out to be just 1 match. May be warming the bench during IPL also makes you a better player and can increase your bowling speed.

 

[RamLakhan]

I always felt Manish Pandey would do very well at no.4 position. He is a kind of player who likes to build partnership and do the consolidation role and playing with Kohli at 3 would really help his game.

Unfortunately, I felt he was hard done by team management making him bat at 5 or 6(with Dhoni or Rahane coming at 4 at times),where he would mostly be required to come and play a quick-fire inning, a bit like what Raina used to do. He is more suitable to no.4 position IMO rather than a 5 or 6 where you need someone who although doesn't score big but gets 40-50 at a fast rate like Raina used to do.

Anything below 4 is lower for him IMO.

You are exactly right! I think he used to be an opener to start with (in LOIs)! But with competition in Indian team he (and even Rahul) are forced to come down the order. But still I think he can do reasonably well at No.3 or No.4. (I think he will do much better than Rahul in that position and he is also very essential in the fielding department!)

 

[the_outsider]

It's odd to see washed up has-beens like Rayudu and Karthick being recycled for India when there's Rahul and Pant on the bench. Asia Cup being played on sluggish pitches wouldn't challenge these losers enough, setting India up for failure going ahead.

If only there were a way to include Prithvi in the playing XI too, he's just reeled off 129 of 81 balls in Vijay Hazare trophy today. The only consolation is that all three of them (Rahul, Pant, and Shaw) will feature in our test XI when Windies come around.

Rahul and Shaw are both openers. Indian team does not require more openers. I think KL Rahul will get a game today but he's been looked at as the designated backup opener for the WC.

Jhadav has done great for India and has been prolific in the domestic circuit. DK has also had 2-3 amazing domestic seasons.

Number 4 will be selected from Rayadu, DK and Pandey. I am hoping it's Pandey because I think he is the best batsman among them.

I have no idea why Pant is not in the ODI side but I guess we'll just have to wait till Aug, 2019 before we see him in the team.

 

[AMSS]

Rahul and Shaw are both openers. Indian team does not require more openers. I think KL Rahul will get a game today but he's been looked at as the designated backup opener for the WC.

Jhadav has done great for India and has been prolific in the domestic circuit. DK has also had 2-3 amazing domestic seasons.

Number 4 will be selected from Rayadu, DK and Pandey. I am hoping it's Pandey because I think he is the best batsman among them.

I have no idea why Pant is not in the ODI side but I guess we'll just have to wait till Aug, 2019 before we see him in the team.

Let us hope the Indian selectors, mediocre and corrupt as they are, do not exhibit the cluelessness in quoted post above.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Let us hope the Indian selectors, mediocre and corrupt as they are, do not exhibit the cluelessness in quoted post above.

Indian selectors can be mediocre but corrupt?

 

[the_outsider]

Let us hope the Indian selectors, mediocre and corrupt as they are, do not exhibit the cluelessness in quoted post above.

Would appreciate it if you can specifically point out what is clueless about it.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Pakistan started preparing for the WC'19 when they dropped Hafeez in Zimbabwe.

Actually going with so many pacers is the only way to prepare for the world cup. It might cost us the Asia cup but then Imad Waseem is so frustrating he should've been in this squad to dart for us.

The most exciting news is that Pak think tank is actually executing the plans

When all these young bowlers/batters are 100+ ODIs old; this team will be competitive anywhere in the world

Hopefully Sarfaraz will find a way. Or after world cup Pakistan will have to drop him.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pakistan started preparing for the WC'19 when they dropped Hafeez in Zimbabwe.

Actually going with so many pacers is the only way to prepare for the world cup. It might cost us the Asia cup but then Imad Waseem is so frustrating he should've been in this squad to dart for us.

The most exciting news is that Pak think tank is actually executing the plans

When all these young bowlers/batters are 100+ ODIs old; this team will be competitive anywhere in the world

Hopefully Sarfaraz will find a way. Or after world cup Pakistan will have to drop him.

You are also playing against England in England just before the world cup. This is called planning. And here we are giving chances to players like Rayudu and Karthik.

 

[WengerOut]

You are also playing against England in England just before the world cup. This is called planning. And here we are giving chances to players like Rayudu and Karthik.

We are playing ODIs against WI later this year at home. Hacks would make merry and pad those stats.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

We are playing ODIs against WI later this year at home. Hacks would make merry and pad those stats.

Who is hack?

Imam: He's doing the job for us. It's not like we have Tendulkars waiting for us in domestic.
FZ: *Played T20 crappy shot vs India and was unlucky against Afghans
Babar Azam: *Youngsta beauty
Malik: SENA batters can only dream of playing like that in UAE. Only someone like VK can play like the way he played vs Rashid/Mujeeb/3rd spinner. Supreme fitness and high IQ/game awareness. He's motivated and will give everything until retirement.
Sarfaraz: He's been pathetic for a while now but we can't/won't drop him after coming this far.

Lower order and bowlers are noobs and shouldn't be criticized except Amir.

This team is still learning

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Who is hack?

Imam: He's doing the job for us. It's not like we have Tendulkars waiting for us in domestic.
FZ: *Played T20 crappy shot vs India and was unlucky against Afghans
Babar Azam: *Youngsta beauty
Malik: SENA batters can only dream of playing like that in UAE. Only someone like VK can play like the way he played vs Rashid/Mujeeb/3rd spinner. Supreme fitness and high IQ/game awareness. He's motivated and will give everything until retirement.
Sarfaraz: He's been pathetic for a while now but we can't/won't drop him after coming this far.

Lower order and bowlers are noobs and shouldn't be criticized except Amir.

This team is still learning

I think he is talking about Indian team. We are going to play against West Indies at home.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Who is hack?

Imam: He's doing the job for us. It's not like we have Tendulkars waiting for us in domestic.
FZ: *Played T20 crappy shot vs India and was unlucky against Afghans
Babar Azam: *Youngsta beauty
Malik: SENA batters can only dream of playing like that in UAE. Only someone like VK can play like the way he played vs Rashid/Mujeeb/3rd spinner. Supreme fitness and high IQ/game awareness. He's motivated and will give everything until retirement.
Sarfaraz: He's been pathetic for a while now but we can't/won't drop him after coming this far.

Lower order and bowlers are noobs and shouldn't be criticized except Amir.

This team is still learning

He is talking about the Indian Team

 

[austerlitz]

For me Indian team 2019 has to be -

Rohit
Dhawan
Rahul/Kohli
Rahul/Kohli(if wkt falls within first 10 overs -rahul,if not kohli)
Dhoni OR (Karthik/Rayudu/Iyer/Pandey)
Pant
Pandya
Bhuvi
Chahal
Kuldeep
Bumrah

....Pant and Rahul must play if India has to have a shot at the title.

 

[the_outsider]

Jadeja and Jadhav have sealed their spots now, but will be useless in Australia and England

Jhadav will be very useful in Aus, NZ and Eng. He showed what he can do on 350 wickets in the home series against ENG in 2017.

Jadeja is anyway a backup. Nothing wrong with having a backup spinner who can bat.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

For me Indian team 2019 has to be -

Rohit
Dhawan
Rahul/Kohli
Rahul/Kohli(if wkt falls within first 10 overs -rahul,if not kohli)
Dhoni OR (Karthik/Rayudu/Iyer/Pandey)
Pant
Pandya
Bhuvi
Chahal
Kuldeep
Bumrah

....Pant and Rahul must play if India has to have a shot at the title.

Playing both Dhoni and Pant doesn't make any sense. What has Pant done to be chosen as a batsman alone in the ODI team?

 

[KevinFern]

Playing both Dhoni and Pant doesn't make any sense. What has Pant done to be chosen as a batsman alone in the ODI team?

First select kare toh sahi. Bina select kiye hi kaise judge kare?

 

[MMHS]

I think, IND team is quite solid for WC. A little over aged for batting, but that’s expected when they decided to keep MS till WC.

Opening pair both with bat & ball are excellent, spin attack is good, fielding is outstanding, Captaincy isn’t worse than what other teams have.

Only area that’s might be vulnerable is middle order - from 4-6 are not tested & don't look solid enough for a WC winner. Pandeya at 7 and then BK, Kuldeep, Chahal & JB also makes it quite weak bottom half actually. May be one solution is to drop Sharma & Kohli a little down - Kohli at 4 & RS at 5. Or at least 3 & 4, putting KL to open & MS at 5.

 

[the_outsider]

May be one solution is to drop Sharma & Kohli a little down - Kohli at 4 & RS at 5. Or at least 3 & 4, putting KL to open & MS at 5.

Rohit is the best ODI opening batsman in the world right now. It doesn't make sense to drop him to number 4 just to accommodate an untested KL Rahul as an opener.

We just need to find a proper no 4. Either of KL or Manish Pandey should make that slot their own by the time the NZ series comes.

 

[MMHS]

Rohit is the best ODI opening batsman in the world right now. It doesn't make sense to drop him to number 4 just to accommodate an untested KL Rahul as an opener.

We just need to find a proper no 4. Either of KL or Manish Pandey should make that slot their own by the time the NZ series comes.

May be then keeping opening pair intact, VK can go down one slot. Pandey or KL doesn’t have the time to establish at 4 - they are not even starting now and both are in squad.

 

[Hasan123]

May be then keeping opening pair intact, VK can go down one slot. Pandey or KL doesn’t have the time to establish at 4 - they are not even starting now and both are in squad.

Kohli shouldn't be moved down the order. All of his success has come at 3.

 

[JattMaula]

Kohli shouldn't be moved down the order. All of his success has come at 3.

I think khauli has above 55 average at no 4 too.

 

[Hasan123]

I think khauli has above 55 average at no 4 too.

You want your best players facing as many balls as possible. Kohli is India's best batsmen so he should stay at 3.

 

[austerlitz]

Playing both Dhoni and Pant doesn't make any sense. What has Pant done to be chosen as a batsman alone in the ODI team?

Hasn't even been tried,he has the x-factor of a match winner.
I pick pant because we need a lower order accelerator,one who can destroy attacks.Dhoni is no longer that player,pandya cant be trusted beyond a pretty 20 or 30.How many times have we seen in last year India gets off to get start until 30 overs and then cant even make 300 despite being in a position to make 350?Pant is a batsman who can change that.I don't feel karthik/pandey/jadhav/rayudud have the gaem to do that.We alreday have dhoni for grafting in the middle order.
Also,you saw the IPL,the best two indian players were pant and rahul.Its bewildering for me that two of the best LOI prospects are not being played.

 

[Ab Fan]

Asia Cup already seems to have derailed India's plans for World Cup.

Rayudu, Jadhav, Dhoni is now India's middle order and a strong team will expose this lineup.

It was a pointless playing this tournament when others are playing like minnows.