Win Loss ratios of Teams in Test cricket at home in last 20 years

[Heisenberg111]

I was just checking the W/L records of different teams at home in test cricket in the last 20 years. The W/L ratios of teams are as follows.

1. India ( W/L ratio of 5.18)

2. Australia ( W/L ratio of 4.88)

3. Pakistan ( W/L ratio of 3.4)

4. England ( W/L ratio of 2.52)

5. New Zealand ( W/L ratio of 2.28)

6. South Africa ( W/L ratio of 2.22)

7. Sri Lanka ( W/L ratio of 1.814)

8. West Indies ( W/L ratio 0.63)

9. Zimbabwe ( W/L ratio of 0.304)

10. Bangladesh ( W/L ratio of 0.243)

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...2001;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

India and Australia lead the pack followed by Pakistan, England and South Africa.

 

[szrana007]

India and Australia lead the pack followed by Pakistan, England and South Africa.

5th is New Zealand, South Africa is 6th, so you mean New Zealand.

 

[Heisenberg111]

5th is New Zealand, South Africa is 6th, so you mean New Zealand.

Yes, thanks for the correction.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

This thread doesn't fit the narrative that Pakistan is a mediocre team and always has been. I can see why you're not getting much traction here.

I think West Indies's record is particularly disappointing. Even Sri Lanka was able to maintain a rate of 1.8 win/loss, but WI is sitting at 0.63 which means Sri Lanka wins thrice as often at home. I'd really like to see the overall distribution curve "squeezed" - the outliers who are dominant at home having their dominance reduced and the ones that are extremely below par coming up to a good average. A competitive era of cricket would look like this:

1. India ( W/L ratio of 3.5)
2. Australia ( W/L ratio of 3)
3. Pakistan ( W/L ratio of 2.5)
4. England ( W/L ratio of 2)
5. New Zealand ( W/L ratio of 1.8)
6. South Africa ( W/L ratio of 1.7)
7. Sri Lanka ( W/L ratio of 1.6)
8. West Indies ( W/L ratio 0.9)
9. Bangladesh ( W/L ratio of 0.7)
10. Zimbabwe ( W/L ratio of 0.5)

 

[Ab Fan]

I don't think NZ were better than South Africa at home over a course of last two decades. If we remove minnows against whome I feel NZ might have played more, I am sure SA would be having better record at home.

I am actually surprised that England are also comfortably ahead because although England have some great wins, they haven't really dominated enough at home.

Anyways, India and Australia are comfortably top two in the list.

 

[Heisenberg111]

This thread doesn't fit the narrative that Pakistan is a mediocre team and always has been. I can see why you're not getting much traction here.

I think West Indies's record is particularly disappointing. Even Sri Lanka was able to maintain a rate of 1.8 win/loss, but WI is sitting at 0.63 which means Sri Lanka wins thrice as often at home. I'd really like to see the overall distribution curve "squeezed" - the outliers who are dominant at home having their dominance reduced and the ones that are extremely below par coming up to a good average. A competitive era of cricket would look like this:

1. India ( W/L ratio of 3.5)
2. Australia ( W/L ratio of 3)
3. Pakistan ( W/L ratio of 2.5)
4. England ( W/L ratio of 2)
5. New Zealand ( W/L ratio of 1.8)
6. South Africa ( W/L ratio of 1.7)
7. Sri Lanka ( W/L ratio of 1.6)
8. West Indies ( W/L ratio 0.9)
9. Bangladesh ( W/L ratio of 0.7)
10. Zimbabwe ( W/L ratio of 0.5)

Yes busts the the myth of many on this forum that Pakistan has been a poor home side in the last 2 decades.

 

[Heisenberg111]

I don't think NZ were better than South Africa at home over a course of last two decades. If we remove minnows against whome I feel NZ might have played more, I am sure SA would be having better record at home.

I am actually surprised that England are also comfortably ahead because although England have some great wins, they haven't really dominated enough at home.

Anyways, India and Australia are comfortably top two in the list.

NZ haven't beaten Aus and SA in a series at home in the last 2 decades but still they got better W/L ratio than SA at home in the last 20 years.

 

[King_Kohli]

20 years is too long.
What about last 10 years.

 

[Heisenberg111]

20 years is too long.
What about last 10 years.

Still India on top in the last 10 years.

 

[MHN1293]

20 years is too long.
What about last 10 years.

Last 10 years:
India-8.5
Newzealand-6.25
Austrailia-4.5
England-2.44
Sa-2.39
Pak-2.38
Srl-1
Wi-0.85/0.9

 

[MHN1293]

Didnt expect nz to be so high up there.

 

[Heisenberg111]

Last 10 years:
India-8.5
Newzealand-6.25
Austrailia-4.5
England-2.44
Sa-2.39
Pak-2.38
Srl-1
Wi-0.85/0.9

You have included UAE for Pak, I didn't include UAE for Pak in the OP.

 

[MHN1293]

You have included UAE for Pak, I didn't include UAE for Pak in the OP.

Yes but pak has no loss in pakistan. If you only include pak and exclude uae for the last 10 years you have an unbeatable record. The true goat team.

 

[Heisenberg111]

Yes but pak has no loss in pakistan. If you only include pak and exclude uae for the last 10 years you have an unbeatable record. The true goat team.

If, we include UAE as well for Pak in the last 20 years, then Pak's W/L ratio comes down from 3.4 to 2.27, which is basically only behind India Australia and England in the last 20 years.

 

[MHN1293]

If, we include UAE as well for Pak in the last 20 years, then Pak's W/L ratio comes down from 3.4 to 2.27, which is basically only behind India Australia and England in the last 20 years.

Yes not that bad a team as some people have made it out to be.

 

[Heisenberg111]

Yes not that bad a team as some people have made it out to be.

Yeah, but shows that Pakistan have done much better in Pak than in UAE in the last 20 years.

Pakistan in Pakistan in last 20 years.

Matches Played 31
Matches won 17
Matches drawn 9
Matches lost 5

W/L ratio of 3.4

Pakistan in UAE in last 20 years.

Matches Played 35
Matches won 17
Matches drawn 8
Matches lost 10

W/L ratio of 1.7

So basically, Pakistan has two times better W/L ratio in Pak than in UAE in the last 20 years.

 

[szrana007]

Bangladesh really should have done better than Mughabe's Zimbabwe at home in the last 20 years. Having an inferior W/L ratio to Mughabe's Zim at home is unacceptable.

 

[Heisenberg111]

Bangladesh really should have done better than Mughabe's Zimbabwe at home in the last 20 years. Having an inferior W/L ratio to Mughabe's Zim at home is unacceptable.

Yup, BD really should be competitive at home in Test cricket.

 

[szrana007]

Yeah, but shows that Pakistan have done much better in Pak than in UAE in the last 20 years.

Pakistan in Pakistan in last 20 years.

Matches Played 31
Matches won 17
Matches drawn 9
Matches lost 5

W/L ratio of 3.4

Pakistan in UAE in last 20 years.

Matches Played 35
Matches won 17
Matches drawn 8
Matches lost 10

W/L ratio of 1.7

So basically, Pakistan has two times better W/L ratio in Pak than in UAE in the last 20 years.

Good record for Pakistan at home, albeit Pak has played fewer matches in Pakistan than other teams.

 

[Heisenberg111]

Good record for Pakistan at home, albeit Pak has played fewer matches in Pakistan than other teams.

Pak's combine (UAE and Pakistan) W/L ratio is 2.27 in the last 20 years, which is 4th best. It is at par with NZ's W/L ratio of 2.28 at home and only behind India, Australia and England in the last 20 years.

 

[szrana007]

Pak's combine (UAE and Pakistan) W/L ratio is 2.27 in the last 20 years, which is 4th best. It is at par with NZ's W/L ratio of 2.28 at home and only behind India, Australia and England in the last 20 years.

Basically, India and Australia are leagues ahead of other teams at home in the last two decades.

Between Pakistan, England, South Africa and New Zealand, its close though. Not a huge difference in the W/L ratios of these four teams at home in the last two decades.

 

[Heisenberg111]

Basically, India and Australia are leagues ahead of other teams at home in the last two decades.

Between Pakistan, England, South Africa and New Zealand, its close though. Not a huge difference in the W/L ratios of these four teams at home in the last two decades.

Yup, you are right there.

 

[szrana007]

Yup, you are right there.

NZL have improved their W/L ratio massively in the last decade.

 

[Heisenberg111]

NZL have improved their W/L ratio massively in the last decade.

They have, India's W/L ratio too massively improved in the last decade.

 

[street cricketer]

India and Australia have always been considered the toughest places to win in world cricket, so no real surprises there.

What's surprising though is how NZ have transformed their home into a fortress in the last few years under Kane Williamson, after generally being a middling team throughout their history.

 

[szrana007]

India and Australia have always been considered the toughest places to win in world cricket, so no real surprises there.

What's surprising though is how NZ have transformed their home into a fortress in the last few years under Kane Williamson, after generally being a middling team throughout their history.

Yes, NZL have improved as a home side in the last 10 years, but historical home series records show that they are at the bottom of the top 8 test playing nations.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...t-series-records-for-teams-at-home&highlight=

Again, no surprises that Australia and India occupy the top 2 spots.

 

[uppercut]

Last 10 years:
India-8.5
Newzealand-6.25
Austrailia-4.5
England-2.44
Sa-2.39
Pak-2.38
Srl-1
Wi-0.85/0.9

This 10 yr period between 2011 - 2021 when this post was made included a ~2 yr period between 2013 Nov to 2015 Nov where India did not play a single Test match at home which is very very odd, but for that 2 yr gap our overall W/L ratio should have already gone past 1.0. Anyhow I am pretty sure this year we will get there.
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India's W/L record at home in the past 10 yrs is a even 10.0 followed by Aus at 5.83

Team records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

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Overall W/L record ( India = 0.983 ):

Team records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

 

[Bhaijaan]

Tests taken by each team to have W/L ratio > 1 for the maiden time
1 Australia
3 Afghanistan
16 Pakistan
23 England
99 West Indies
340 South Africa
580 Bharat
New Zealand, Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, & Ireland are yet to achieve the feat.

Bharat in Tests
Mat: 580
Won: 179 *
Lost: 178
Draw: 222
Tied: 1

 

[Bhaijaan]

Finally we are a net winning test nation.

 

[Ab Fan]

Best fast bowler in the world - Bumrah
Best spinner in the world - Ashwin
Best all rounder in the world - Jadeja
Best wicket keeper in the world - Pant

For the first time, India has got the best player in each department of the game except pure batsmanship.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

India has finally after decades and decades managed a W/L ratio of more than 1 in tests overall. On the other hand Pakistan has been dipping. When do you think India's W/L ratio will overtake Pakistan's? Can it happen before the end of 2024?

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Tests taken by each team to have W/L ratio > 1 for the maiden time
1 Australia
3 Afghanistan
16 Pakistan
23 England
99 West Indies
340 South Africa
580 Bharat
New Zealand, Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, & Ireland are yet to achieve the feat.

Bharat in Tests
Mat: 580
Won: 179 *
Lost: 178
Draw: 222
Tied: 1

West Indies has dipped very low in W/L and Pakistan is on track to go below 1 too.

 

[Bhaijaan]

India has finally after decades and decades managed a W/L ratio of more than 1 in tests overall. On the other hand Pakistan has been dipping. When do you think India's W/L ratio will overtake Pakistan's? Can it happen before the end of 2024?

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Pakistan is not our benchmark and I wish them the best. Hopefully they also consolidate their record.

For me, this has been a long long wait. I have been tracking these statistics since two decades and now finally we are on the path to improving our historical records significantly.

In ODIs and tests, we have improved our record significantly since last one and a half decade.

 

[Bhaijaan]

India has finally after decades and decades managed a W/L ratio of more than 1 in tests overall. On the other hand Pakistan has been dipping. When do you think India's W/L ratio will overtake Pakistan's? Can it happen before the end of 2024?

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Can you post this stat from test cricket inception till 31 Dec 2000

Would be an interesting read and comparison.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Can you post this stat from test cricket inception till 31 Dec 2000

Would be an interesting read and comparison.

21st century:


Till 31st Dec 2000:

 

[Bhaijaan]

The vision should be grand. Aim must be to reach the #1 rank.

For that we will have to play absolute top level cricket for the next 25 years and hopefully Australia will see some decline (unlikely).

Australia’s stretched that lead ridiculously kudos to them.

 

[Bhaijaan]

21st century:
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Till 31st Dec 2000:

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What an interesting read.

West Indies decline is heartbreaking really.

And look at the jump made by Bharat. We had lost nearly twice the tests by 2000.

Australia just consolidated its position in last 25 years even further. Seems like it’s unlikely anyone’s gonna replace them at the top in decades. Damn

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

What an interesting read.

West Indies decline is heartbreaking really.

And look at the jump made by Bharat. We had lost nearly twice the tests by 2000.

Australia just consolidated its position in last 25 years even further. Seems like it’s unlikely anyone’s gonna replace them at the top in decades. Damn

Yup, if things go well for us, we can hope to close out or go above England by end of this decade. But overtaking Australia is an impossibility.

 

[ElRaja]

the big 3 will consolidate, theres no way Pakistan can compete. the most shocking stat is Pakistan at home having lost 6 of their last 8 tests, having lost only 22 of the 158 before that.

 

[Ab Fan]

Australia
England
South Africa
India
Pakistan

That's top 5 in Tests.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

the big 3 will consolidate, theres no way Pakistan can compete. the most shocking stat is Pakistan at home having lost 6 of their last 8 tests, having lost only 22 of the 158 before that.

Neutral umpiring has the most devastating effect on the home record of Pakistan.
Pakistan W/L at home went from 4 to just 2.1. No other team was even close to Pakistan with home advantage of home umpires. No other team has such a drastic fall in home W/L record. West Indies is close second. While Australia, India and South Africa infact improved at home considerably with the coming of neutral umpires.

 

[sweep_shot]

Best fast bowler in the world - Bumrah
Best spinner in the world - Ashwin
Best all rounder in the world - Jadeja
Best wicket keeper in the world - Pant

For the first time, India has got the best player in each department of the game except pure batsmanship.

I think best spinner would be Lyon.

 

[ElRaja]

Neutral umpiring has the most devastating effect on the home record of Pakistan.
Pakistan W/L at home went from 4 to just 2.1. No other team was even close to Pakistan with home advantage of home umpires. No other team has such a drastic fall in home W/L record. West Indies is close second. While Australia, India and South Africa infact improved at home considerably with the coming of neutral umpires.

its easy to pin stuff like that to external factors but correlation does not equal causation, the vast majority of games of pak in the 50s, 60s, 70s era were draws, so w/l stats will always be skewed since it was easy enough to play for a draw whenever a win was unlikely, pak has always had the flattest pitches, pak only really starting winning in the 80s and 90s which had far more to do with the advent of reverse swing, and to a lesser extent leg spinners and the doosra, which negated the flat pitches, than umpiring bias.

its a tired trope, but every country had an unfair advantage in the era of home umpires, and every country used to. pak had a significantly better w/l record cos they only went for a result when they knew they could win and cos they had an advantage with reverse swing which no one else understood.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

I think best spinner would be Lyon.

Third best would be Lyon.

 

[Buffet]

the big 3 will consolidate, theres no way Pakistan can compete. the most shocking stat is Pakistan at home having lost 6 of their last 8 tests, having lost only 22 of the 158 before that.

Put another way, 21-22% of losses at home came in just the last 2-3 years.

 

[pratiktc]

This thread highlights the sad and steep decline of West Indies in Test cricket. They have now dwindled to a mediocre Test team and this century have not produced any batters with 40+ avg and only two bowlers (Roach, Seales) with less than 30 bowling avg over a sustained period. Even though their system still produces some quality players they are more T20 geared and this is where the quality talent like Pooran, Russell, Pollard head.

I think Pakistan is slowly headed down same path. They will still generate good talent for T20 level and global leagues but long form quality will decline. Babar is the last Test batter Pak will produce. With him the line ends.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Australia
England
South Africa
India
Pakistan

That's top 5 in Tests.

its easy to pin stuff like that to external factors but correlation does not equal causation, the vast majority of games of pak in the 50s, 60s, 70s era were draws, so w/l stats will always be skewed since it was easy enough to play for a draw whenever a win was unlikely, pak has always had the flattest pitches, pak only really starting winning in the 80s and 90s which had far more to do with the advent of reverse swing, and to a lesser extent leg spinners and the doosra, which negated the flat pitches, than umpiring bias.

its a tired trope, but every country had an unfair advantage in the era of home umpires, and every country used to. pak had a significantly better w/l record cos they only went for a result when they knew they could win and cos they had an advantage with reverse swing which no one else understood.

No doubt Pakistan team was very solid at home in the 80s and 90s. You had top cricketers in batting as well as bowling.

Pakistan was winning a lot of matches in that era in tests as well as ODIs. Actually hit unlucky that during that era there were no ICC world T20s, champions trophy , WTC etc and you only had to wait for a tournament in 4 years otherwise maybe you would have had a few more ICC trophies also. I mean 1987, 1996, 1999 were all very much in sight and you won in 1992, the Nehru cup win was impressive and just came short in 1985 World Series final.

 

[Buffet]

its easy to pin stuff like that to external factors but correlation does not equal causation, the vast majority of games of pak in the 50s, 60s, 70s era were draws, so w/l stats will always be skewed since it was easy enough to play for a draw whenever a win was unlikely, pak has always had the flattest pitches, pak only really starting winning in the 80s and 90s which had far more to do with the advent of reverse swing, and to a lesser extent leg spinners and the doosra, which negated the flat pitches, than umpiring bias.

its a tired trope, but every country had an unfair advantage in the era of home umpires, and every country used to. pak had a significantly better w/l record cos they only went for a result when they knew they could win and cos they had an advantage with reverse swing which no one else understood.

Nuetral umpiring made very hard to rely on reverse. At home, saw a dramatic fall in performance despite having Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain, Inzzy, Anwar etc. So team was not weak. It just that neutral umpiring came in mid 94.

Pakistan's W/L [ Neutral umpiring came in 1994 ]

Home 10 years ( 85 - 94 ) : 6
Home 10 years ( 95 - 04 ) : 1

Away 10 years ( 85 - 94 ) : 1
Away 10 years ( 95 - 04 ) : 1

Performance in huge difference only happened at home, but no difference happened away with the same team.


Yea, every team had advantage at home before neutral umpring came, but no team had advantage like Pakistan. Neutral umpiring made reverse swing a non-facrtor for Pakistan at home and team W/L dropped from 6 to 1. No other team had drop of such magnitude immediately after neutral umpiring came. It's good that IK pushed for neutral umpire even though the largest losers happened to be Pakistan itself. You could get away with doing anything to ball in Pakistan before neutral umpires.

 

[Bhaijaan]

@Aang_The_last_airbender

Can you please mention Pakistan’s record from 1 Jan 1980 to 31st Dec 1999 relative to other countries in tests and ODIs

Thanks bro

 

[Buffet]

@Aang_The_last_airbender

Can you please mention Pakistan’s record from 1 Jan 1980 to 31st Dec 1999 relative to other countries in tests and ODIs

Thanks bro

W/L of 1.2 in ODI and 1.6 in test

 

[Bhaijaan]

W/L of 1.2 in ODI and 1.6 in test

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Clearly the Aussie resurgence happened with the 1999 wc final victory.

South Africa actually was the team of 1990s

 

[Buffet]

Clearly the Aussie resurgence happened with the 1999 wc final victory.

South Africa actually was the team of 1990s

Aus had a W/L of 2.1 in tests and 1.7 in ODI in 90s. Aus and SA were pretty close in 90s. And then there was a huge gap in both formats for 3rd spot which was taken by Pakistan.