Would a loss to South Africa at home be a blessing in disguise with departures of Waqar and Misbah?

[Babar_Azam_fan]

Going by the comments from the cricket committee, apparently the current management would be sacked if the series is lost

So, would u prefer a win and have Misbah and Waqar hold on to their positions (as Pak plays only Zim, Ban and WI till August 2021) or prefer a series loss for a long term benefit?

 

[Rana]

No way.

Winning comes first.

 

[Varun]

You're basically requesting another blessing in disguise.

Remind us, how well has that worked for you in the past?

You should aim to win every game you play and then think about the other stuff.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

We need to start winning. Misbah has actually been worse as a selector than as a coach, as a coach he has been D grade passable. I don’t care that Misbah remains as long as we begin winning again. The important position of selector has already been taken away and given to someone with knowledge of domestics and a good eye for potential. I’m satisfied.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

The cricket committee has also made a recommendation to incorporate science and data into decision making. This is the one thing I’ve been talking about for a year now - you’ll do much better if you appoint even a headless chicken and given him someone like Nathan Leamon, Pat Noone, or from local options Mazhar Arshad (he’s good, but not as good as CricViz).

So I’m fine with Misbah staying, as long as the PCB installs a competent data analysis unit. The ability to effectively use that data is also a skill, though, and I would vastly prefer someone like Andy Flower at the helm.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Going by the comments from the cricket committee, apparently the current management would be sacked if the series is lost

So, would u prefer a win and have Misbah and Waqar hold on to their positions (as Pak plays only Zim, Ban and WI till August 2021) or prefer a series loss for a long term benefit?

If it's a win, it wouldn't prove much.
As I stated before, a once in a while spike in a flat graph line indicates that the team's victory is only a fluke.

Winning against SA wouldn't prove that we have suddenly become a good team. This victory wouldn't mean much. So I would rather take a loss if it results in sacking of BOTH Misbah and Waqar.

We had so many losses and poor performances under these two, so lets take one more, AND GET RID OF THEM!

This will truly expose the actual worth of our team and hopefully, we can start our way up after getting rid of these two.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Can't judge a team based on one bad series against SA

 

[Babar_Azam_fan]

Can't judge a team based on one bad series against SA

Can't judge a team based on one bad series against SA IN 2021

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Waqar is useless. I don't why he keep coming back. Why don't they try Wasim Akram for a change?

 

[Rana]

Waqar is useless. I don't why he keep coming back. Why don't they try Wasim Akram for a change?

Quyoom Report. No other explanation

 

[Babar_Azam_fan]

Let me make it clear, just cos Misbah and/ or Waqar get sacked Pak won’t become a top team.

Pak is a 6/7th team in LOIS, 7/8th in tests. But there’s one thing known as uncontrollable and other controllable.

What I hate about Misbah is the number of controllable “mistakes” he’s doing over and over again

Just to name a few
Selection of
Musa
Yasir
Sohail
Naseem
Abid
Iftikhar

As a Coach
Playing Zafar
Playing Abdullah

Strategic
Sending iftikhar and Khushdil for super over
Batting first in first two t20is against Nz

 

[Varun]

Waqar is useless. I don't why he keep coming back. Why don't they try Wasim Akram for a change?

Wasim realized his brand value would go down if he's associated with the PCB.

Quyoom Report. No other explanation

As if those things have stopped other fixers.

 

[Mesozoic]

Blessing in disguise version 144.56.3...

 

[Rana]

Wasim realized his brand value would go down if he's associated with the PCB.



As if those things have stopped other fixers.

I believe the report was very stern on Wasim Akram.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Waqar is useless. I don't why he keep coming back. Why don't they try Wasim Akram for a change?

Akram runs the entire show from behind the scenes. He’s not interested in coming into the spotlight so he takes up roles on the cricket committee etc in an “advisory” role and makes all the big recommendations such as to sack Mickey, sack Sarfaraz, install Misbah, etc.

Our junior U19, and Pakistan A cricket is run by one of Wasim Akram’s closest friends, a clown in Ijaz Ahmed who in turn backs dubious kids like Irfan Niazi, Fahad Munir, and Mohammad Shehzad over batsmen like Mohammad Huraira, Mubasir Khan, and Saim Ayub, promotes age cheats, and has spinners like Aarish Ali, who was U16 captain and highest wicket taker in the domestic U19 tournament, benched for the U19 World Cup.

There is a clear policy that was instituted due to Misbah’s conflict of interest with working with both PCB and Islamabad United, but Mushtaq Ahmed, another of Wasim’s close friends (and no doubt a good coach too) is allowed to coach Multan.

Wasim is smart. Stay out of the spotlight, avoid the headlines and criticism, and run things from behind the show while collecting paychecks from Pepsi and Ariel detergent ads.

He does work with our bowlers though - Shaheen takes advice from him for example.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Quyoom Report. No other explanation

Bro Wasim’s on the PCB payroll, he sits on the cricket committee. Him and Saleem Yousuf are the main guys Misbah answers to.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Let me make it clear, just cos Misbah and/ or Waqar get sacked Pak won’t become a top team.

And if you haven't learned the reciprocal by now, then I feel pity for you.

"Pakistan won't become a top team JUST BECAUSE we stick with Misbah and Waqar."

It should've been crystal clear to you by now.

A simple basic logic should tell you that trying the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results is a form of insanity.

We know that if we want to have better chances on improving this team, we must move on from these two. They are your classic tried and tested failures that can't do jack for this team.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Waqar is useless. I don't why he keep coming back. Why don't they try Wasim Akram for a change?

Wasim doesn't want to take the coaching job. He is on the record and made this clear in an interview during the England series.

 

[MMHS]

Waqar is useless. I don't why he keep coming back. Why don't they try Wasim Akram for a change?

It’ll turn worse - you can’t teach someone in to Wasim Akram; even Imran was a product of professional system, but Akram is unique.

If he is made coach, it’ll turn worse - expectations will be higher, failure will be criticised harsher and Wasim himself will leave the fight at some point.

They need professional, qualified coaches to work with younger players - not former greats “mentoring” internationals in Test matches.

 

[ahmadharis1]

I've run the numbers on this, and in this particular instance it makes more cricketing sense to win this series rather than lose

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

How many coaches have to come and go before we receive this blessing?

 

[Babar_Azam_fan]

And if you haven't learned the reciprocal by now, then I feel pity for you.

"Pakistan won't become a top team JUST BECAUSE we stick with Misbah and Waqar."

It should've been crystal clear to you by now.

A simple basic logic should tell you that trying the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results is a form of insanity.

We know that if we want to have better chances on improving this team, we must move on from these two. They are your classic tried and tested failures that can't do jack for this team.

Let me make it clear, just cos Misbah and/ or Waqar get sacked Pak won’t become a top team.

Pak is a 6/7th team in LOIS, 7/8th in tests. But there’s one thing known as uncontrollable and other controllable.

What I hate about Misbah is the number of controllable “mistakes” he’s doing over and over again

Just to name a few
Selection of
Musa
Yasir
Sohail
Naseem
Abid
Iftikhar

As a Coach
Playing Zafar
Playing Abdullah

Strategic
Sending iftikhar and Khushdil for super over
Batting first in first two t20is against Nz

Going by the comments from the cricket committee, apparently the current management would be sacked if the series is lost

So, would u prefer a win and have Misbah and Waqar hold on to their positions (as Pak plays only Zim, Ban and WI till August 2021) or prefer a series loss for a long term benefit?

Wish you [MENTION=151861]Colorblind Genius[/MENTION] had read my other posts too rather than cherry-picking on one sentence. This thread was started by me. I really want Misbah and Waqar to be sacked.

My post of Pakistan won’t become a top team is more for the people who live in a fairy world where they think once they leave Pak will be a force. You’ve to understand the context too

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Fact is you can change the management all you want but if you aren't investing in developing your players i.e. by bringing in drop in pitches, having them play county cricket etc then what's the point???

 

[Babbar]

Just win the dang series!

 

[Fahdi]

No it would not be. Every few months people are thinking this loss may actually be better in the long run as it will get rid of so, so and so. Nothing is going to change because of a few losses so take the wins when they come and enjoy it especially since they are becoming more and more rare.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Wish you [MENTION=151861]Colorblind Genius[/MENTION] had read my other posts too rather than cherry-picking on one sentence. This thread was started by me. I really want Misbah and Waqar to be sacked.

My post of Pakistan won’t become a top team is more for the people who live in a fairy world where they think once they leave Pak will be a force. You’ve to understand the context too

It's not that.

Those who think that Pak will become a force, after these two leave are not 100% wrong because, YOU HAVE TO START FROM SOMEHWERE.

May be I am wrong but I guess you are thinking that "there are some fans who believe that Pak will become a force OVERNIGHT if Misbah and Waqar leave".

I think there is hardly anyone who believes in it.
So in the OP, you are perhaps addressing a fan base that does not exist.


Indeed, we wont become a force overnight if these two are sacked. It's a long and tough journey; but again, we have to start from somewhere.

 

[Titan24]

Irrespective of who is coach and who performs winning should always be the first priority.

I dont believe decision should change from series to series, if PCB thinks Misbah and Waqar are not long term options than the result of the series shouldnt influence the decision.

 

[shamaan]

Can't judge a team based on one bad series against SA IN 2021

But you can judge them based upon the squad been picked

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Going by the comments from the cricket committee, apparently the current management would be sacked if the series is lost

So, would u prefer a win and have Misbah and Waqar hold on to their positions (as Pak plays only Zim, Ban and WI till August 2021) or prefer a series loss for a long term benefit?

No, another series defeat that too at home will destroy the moral of the team. Infighting will start with in the team which always happen after multiple losses. Fans will loose interest (example hockey). Misbah and Waqar will go eventually but defeat will stay on our record forever.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

It’ll turn worse - you can’t teach someone in to Wasim Akram; even Imran was a product of professional system, but Akram is unique.

If he is made coach, it’ll turn worse - expectations will be higher, failure will be criticised harsher and Wasim himself will leave the fight at some point.

They need professional, qualified coaches to work with younger players - not former greats “mentoring” internationals in Test matches.

It's one of the aspects of Pakistan cricket that I find absolutely maddening, the idea that if you're a successful former player, you'll be an effective coach.

1) Can they communicate the basics to younger players effectively?
2) Can they work with a younger players existing skill set and add to it, rather than implementing whole sale changes that make a player less effective?
3) Do they have the patience to wait for a player to develop properly?
4) Do they have the technical knowledge when it comes to strength and conditioning, to make that young player the best version of himself?
5) Do they have technical knowledge that extends beyond their own action?

It IS possible that former players can be decent coaches. But they need to demonstrate coaching ability at lower levels before they get given these roles at the highest levels of the game.

I think atleast Yousuf and Younis Khan have shown some promise with regards t9 being able to transmit their thinking to players. Saqlain in fact is actually a very good coach, and a very experienced coach at that But ironically is in an administrative position only. However, there are legitimate questions over how effective a Mohammad Zahid will be in the long term and similarly, Waqar's performance has not been fully satisfactory.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

No, another series defeat that too at home will destroy the moral of the team. Infighting will start with in the team which always happen after multiple losses. Fans will loose interest (example hockey). Misbah and Waqar will go eventually but defeat will stay on our record forever.

Here’s a prediction. If we lose, Babar will be made the scapegoat for bad captaincy calls (I fully expect him to make a mistake or two on his first captaincy assignment) and there will be calls for Rizwan to be made Test skipper by fans and media alike.

 

[Suleiman]

Pakistani cricket blessings are masters of disguise.

 

[Babar_Azam_fan]

It's not that.

Those who think that Pak will become a force, after these two leave are not 100% wrong because, YOU HAVE TO START FROM SOMEHWERE.

May be I am wrong but I guess you are thinking that "there are some fans who believe that Pak will become a force OVERNIGHT if Misbah and Waqar leave".

I think there is hardly anyone who believes in it.
So in the OP, you are perhaps addressing a fan base that does not exist.


Indeed, we wont become a force overnight if these two are sacked. It's a long and tough journey; but again, we have to start from somewhere.

There are tho who live in a fantasy world

 

[Babar_Azam_fan]

But you can judge them based upon the squad been picked

You missed my sarcasm “in 2021”

 

[Shaka81]

They'll probably get dismissed after the series anyway so no point wishing we lose and end up with a new coach dealing with demoralised players.

 

[shamaan]

You missed my sarcasm “in 2021”

Really sorry i didnt undertand your sarcastic comments i do apologise

 

[muqarrab]

Going by the comments from the cricket committee, apparently the current management would be sacked if the series is lost

So, would u prefer a win and have Misbah and Waqar hold on to their positions (as Pak plays only Zim, Ban and WI till August 2021) or prefer a series loss for a long term benefit?

Shameful

 

[Hasan123]

Nothing will change with Pakistan cricket if you guys don't admit we aren't good enough. Keep on crying about Misbah, won't change the fact we lack skills,talent,ability,and game intelligence.

 

[Buffet]

I am used to seeing tons of blessing in disguise threads in PP for the Pakistani team after they perform poorly.

First time I am seeing a blessing in disguise thread before the series itself.

 

[TheSultan]

Going by the comments from the cricket committee, apparently the current management would be sacked if the series is lost

So, would u prefer a win and have Misbah and Waqar hold on to their positions (as Pak plays only Zim, Ban and WI till August 2021) or prefer a series loss for a long term benefit?

This is asking for the impossible. But hope it's washed out or we have two bore draws.

The next option is losing - I can live with that. It's all about the greater good.

 

[hitthestump]

Quyoom Report. No other explanation

Actually Wasim has never shown any interest. Pretty sure he knows better than to get involved.

 

[Shazzam]

Irrespective of who is coach and who performs winning should always be the first priority.

I dont believe decision should change from series to series, if PCB thinks Misbah and Waqar are not long term options than the result of the series shouldnt influence the decision.

Problem is it does. Which is why you see these threads.

 

[topspin]

Even if we get whitewashed nothing is going to change. Best thing to do is to boycott Pakistan cricket until the duo are gone for good. We have a bunch of mediocre timid kittens so it's not the hardest thing for us to give up doing.

 

[Greenstorm]

We ain't winning anyways.

 

[Mamoon]

Yeah, we will hire wizards after losing to South Africa and they will turn this deeply mediocre team into world beaters.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

With the kind of fans we have who seek blessings in disguise so we can change team management, we deserve to lose every single match we play. Pathetic to the core.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Another blessing in disguise post.

Can't you are willing to see the team lose just so certain personnel can be shown the door. Some fan you are...

 

[observer1]

What a ridiculous and childish post.

Stop putting labels, conclusions and caveats on results and you'll enjoy the game better.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Sorry. Just look at that sorry excuse of an SA squad. SA have such bad policies that they haven't developed or given chances to the likes of Malan, Hamza and Tonder. Their best metronome, Abbott , and spinner, Harmer, are not contention either. They have also been atrocious in Asia the last few years. If Pakistan cant whitewash this SA team, then these boys should give up on test cricket altogether and try their luck at some other profession .