Would you still begrudge India's series win in Australia?

[B_Positive]

I think this series has comfortably made sure that India is very competitive even with Warner and Smith in side. Dont think we can derail their series win vs Aus now. They deserved it. India is also not playing many of their first team players in this series but still are competitive so saying its a fluke series win in Aus, dont think its a right comment.

 

[Suleiman]

Who is derailing them if they win? Why this preemptive measure to shield them from make believe detailing?

If they win we will clap, it will be a huge day for Asian and Indian cricket.

If they lose, we will laugh at them and forget our own woes.

Standard procedure.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

The last test win has removed the asterisk on our 2018 test series ( if there was one).

 

[Slog]

Let’s see if they win the series.

Regardless india is a strong side.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

The last test win has removed the asterisk on our 2018 test series ( if there was one).

Sort of. The main argument was Smith and Warner being absent. Let’s see what both of their averages are at the end of the series, I think that will give a fair indication. Already Warner dismissed cheaply in his one innings.

 

[Giannis]

India is going to win this match and the next, there's nothing Australia can do about it.

 

[Buffet]

Let’s see if they win the series.

Regardless india is a strong side.

I don't think a series win is happening here for Indians. It's too farfetched. Anyway, as you said, they have played very good cricket except for one session so far.

 

[MenInG]

Thread is about India.

 

[szrana007]

I don't think a series win is happening here for Indians. It's too farfetched. Anyway, as you said, they have played very good cricket except for one session so far.

Aus is struggling big time here. Can see them losing the series.

 

[Buffet]

Aus is struggling big time here. Can see them losing the series.

Plenty of cricket left in this series. In this match, Aus still has run there.

Aus were 200/3 as well.

 

[szrana007]

Plenty of cricket left in this series. In this match, Aus still has run there.

Aus were 200/3 as well.

Regardless, this Aus team is very overrated. Struggling at home against a depleted Indian team.

 

[B_Positive]

Regardless, this Aus team is very overrated. Struggling at home against a depleted Indian team.

Are we overrating Aus or underrating India here. I think credit goes to India and esp Rahane and his captaincy

 

[szrana007]

Are we overrating Aus or underrating India here. I think credit goes to India and esp Rahane and his captaincy

India is clearly the best test side currently. Aus is overrated.

 

[Buffet]

Regardless, this Aus team is very overrated. Struggling at home against a depleted Indian team.

Let's see how the other teams do in Aus. Only then we can say if they are overrated. Also, let's wait for this series to be over.

 

[Devadwal]

Australia still win series but this indian team is very competitive .

 

[szrana007]

Let's see how the other teams do in Aus. Only then we can say if they are overrated. Also, let's wait for this series to be over.

India is certainly much better than them. No chance in hell that this Aus team will win a test in India. India with a depleted team is competing very well against them in their own den.

 

[Energy]

Whatever the outcome of this series, I have enjoyed India compete with both bat and in the field. They have a complete, athletic and a serious sports team, not old and young baboons playing in the park.

 

[subshakerz]

I think this series has comfortably made sure that India is very competitive even with Warner and Smith in side. Dont think we can derail their series win vs Aus now. They deserved it. India is also not playing many of their first team players in this series but still are competitive so saying its a fluke series win in Aus, dont think its a right comment.

Well, if you look at how that 2018 series went, Australia won in Perth and Sydney was washed out, India won convincingly in Melbourne, but in Adelaide it was a pretty close low-scoring match and the presence of Smith and Warner in that test could easily have changed the equation.

With Smith and Warner, would have ended up 2-1 Australia in a hard fought series similar to 2008.

 

[subshakerz]

Only India drawing this series would put to rest the idea that they got off easy in 2018. Losing this series will just reinforce that idea.

 

[Buffet]

Only India drawing this series would put to rest the idea that they got off easy in 2018. Losing this series will just reinforce that idea.

Aus is at home with a full team against Indians missing their 4-5 players. I don't think Aus winning here will prove anything. Having said that it's not unfair to point out that Warner and Smith not playing helped Ind. Aus actually would have lost 3-1 if not for rain. They were totally out of that game.

 

[subshakerz]

Aus is at home with a full team against Indians missing their 4-5 players. I don't think Aus winning here will prove anything. Having said that it's not unfair to point out that Warner and Smith not playing helped Ind. Aus actually would have lost 3-1 if not for rain. They were totally out of that game.

My point is that if India can manage to somehow draw/win this series which Australia are expected to win, they can legitimately erase any doubt over the 2018 result.

 

[naseem]

Match and series not completed but Aussies deserve this for their Dostana part 2 acting.....

 

[MP2011]

My point is that if India can manage to somehow draw/win this series which Australia are expected to win, they can legitimately erase any doubt over the 2018 result.

So you agree that if Australia wins this series, there would be huge question marks over their win as well since India were missing their 4-5 regular players?

 

[Buffet]

My point is that if India can manage to somehow draw/win this series which Australia are expected to win, they can legitimately erase any doubt over the 2018 result.

India is not winning series here. At best they can draw and that's a huge task. If they can pile up runs in this test, they have a chance to win this test.

I personally think those doubts etc are non-sense. Very few teams have actually won against a full-strength good team when playing away unless the opposition is in transition. Even the great Aus team needed many things going their way to winning a series in India. If conditions are similar then yes, it's possible to beat a good team on their home ground. If conditions are different, it's a very hard task.

We should appreciate good cricket and if a touring side wins then they win.

 

[naseem]

Smith refreshingly changed his approach....which the other Aussies need to adapt.... Otherwise their Dostana 2 will be huge flop ...

 

[Varun]

If we win, we would have won two series regardless of whether Aus had Smith/Warner, and the second one without Kohli and Ishant and others.

When can Australia win two series back to back in India even if we don't play Ashwin or Pujara or somebody? Certainly not this millennium.

But let's not count the chickens before they hatch. It can still be 3-1.

 

[Hasan123]

No. Winning in Australia is difficult. You have to give credit where it's due if India win the series.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Only India drawing this series would put to rest the idea that they got off easy in 2018. Losing this series will just reinforce that idea.

This. And whatever asterisk is there will be removed automatically.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

If we win, we would have won two series regardless of whether Aus had Smith/Warner, and the second one without Kohli and Ishant and others.

When can Australia win two series back to back in India even if we don't play Ashwin or Pujara or somebody? Certainly not this millennium.

Have to agree. Very good performances regardless of the individual breakdown.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

I think India's win at Melbourne was phenomenal after what happened at Adelaide. That win alone showed the character of this Indian side. The fact that they're still competing and also dominating Australia even by missing key players like Kohli and Shami speaks volumes about the Indian test side.

Smith or no Smith, India beat Australia fair and square in 2018-19. The record books only show that. Doesn't matter what fans think.

Personally I enjoyed the quality of cricket on display and wish to see these kind of close contests when Pakistan tours!

 

[Nikhil_cric]

The asterisk will be on Australia for allowing a weak Indian team to remain competitive for so long. All asterisks on that last tour are now gone. We are literally playing our D team here.

 

[subshakerz]

So you agree that if Australia wins this series, there would be huge question marks over their win as well since India were missing their 4-5 regular players?

It is hard to say, since 4 out of those 5 played in the first test which India lost anyways.

 

[MP2011]

It is hard to say, since 4 out of those 5 played in the first test which India lost anyways.

So they are not allowed to fail even once in a while and the trend would have continued in the subsequent tests as well. Wow, you do have very high standards for Indian cricketers!

 

[Varun]

It is hard to say, since 4 out of those 5 played in the first test which India lost anyways.

Trust you to find some sort of coping mechanism regardless of result.

 

[MP2011]

The asterisk will be on Australia for allowing a weak Indian team to remain competitive for so long. All asterisks on that last tour are now gone. We are literally playing our D team here.

There were never any asterisks to begin with. That way, there are asterisks against Australia conquering final frontier in '04. Tendulkar missed 2 tests in that series and was severely undercooked when he was rushed in the series.

Or England winning only those tests in their Ashes win in '05 in which McGrath wasn't playing. Doesn't it undermine that win as well?

 

[Varun]

Updated Test Rankings:

1. New Zealand
2. India C
3. India
4. Australia

 

[Ab Fan]

India 'A':-

Rohit
Gill
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Pant(wkt)
Jadeja
Ashwin
Ishant
Bumrah
Shami

India 'B':-

Mayank
Shaw
Vihari
KL
--------
Pandya
Saha(wkt)
Kuldeep
Saini
Umesh
Siraj

Who will win?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

There were never any asterisks to begin with. That way, there are asterisks against Australia conquering final frontier in '04. Tendulkar missed 2 tests in that series and was severely undercooked when he was rushed in the series.

Or England winning only those tests in their Ashes win in '05 in which McGrath wasn't playing. Doesn't it undermine that win as well?

I mean for those who had a mental asterisk next to that series win, they surely can't justify that anymore. As far as I'm concerned, that Australia team would have smoked full strength NZ, pakistan, England , SA teams at the time without question so it was a great achievement for india.

 

[Pakhs]

The last test win has removed the asterisk on our 2018 test series ( if there was one).

How? Warner did not play? Infact it has made it even more obvious that without Smith and Warner this Australia team is nothing, they did not even have marcus at the time and was even more reliant on just the two. Without Smith they would already be out of the current test match.

 

[Pakhs]

I mean for those who had a mental asterisk next to that series win, they surely can't justify that anymore. As far as I'm concerned, that Australia team would have smoked full strength NZ, pakistan, England , SA teams at the time without question so it was a great achievement for india.

England Ashes series always will have an asteric infact Mcgrath himself said the only tests we lost were the ones I did not play. He was a bowler who if played would have definitely made the difference which should not be argued.

Yes Sachin was also missing for 2 test just like Mcgrath but in both those cases players were only missing for some of the test matches and not whole series plus the absence was due to natural cause of body breaking down every now and then. Smith and Warner was banned by CA as a punishment and as it turned out they were only punishing themselves.

 

[MP2011]

I mean for those who had a mental asterisk next to that series win, they surely can't justify that anymore. As far as I'm concerned, that Australia team would have smoked full strength NZ, pakistan, England , SA teams at the time without question so it was a great achievement for india.

Yeah, what I'm amazed about is that those who have not even won a test in Australia in over 2.5 decades are undermining India's series win?

At least they should have been celebrating our win. But then for some, bashing anything India achieves is how they console themselves.

 

[MP2011]

I mean for those who had a mental asterisk next to that series win, they surely can't justify that anymore. As far as I'm concerned, that Australia team would have smoked full strength NZ, pakistan, England , SA teams at the time without question so it was a great achievement for india.

And nobody wants to remember why those 2 were missing from that series!

 

[CricketCartoons]

Who put the asterisk, which everyone is talking about.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

It's ridiculous to doubt our 2018 win.

Yes Smith and Warner weren't there so it was easier....but we still had to face an ATG bowling attack and we would have won 3-1 if not for Sydney rain.

If you look at history, great series wins rarely happened against full strength sides.

Take the 2004 Aus win in India.

1. No Tendulkar for most series. He was rushed back last game (even tho he wasn't ready) and we won.
2. BCCI politics which led us to give them a green track in Nagpur out of spite.
3. Chennai game which we would have probably won was washed out.

Next comes the 2012 Eng series win in India.

1. 4 out of 7 batsman were over the hill. Sehwag (yes he scored century in first game on a flat track), Gambo, Sachin & Yuvi (who honestly shouldn't have even been in the squad lol).

2. Ash losing his radar and being poor entire series.

3. Unfit Zaheer who could barely bowl.

4. Umesh who looks good in India injured after the first test.

Take the Eng win in Aus in 2010.

1. England had its greatest test team them. Or one of its greatest teams.

2. Aus was in doldrums with horrible bowling.

If we keep digging, we will find that in most cases, famous away series wins would be because the home team would have serious issues over injury or form or old age.

Again, that doesn't mean Aus was a strong team without Warner and Smith...but hey they are playing at home and still had an INSANE bowling attack.

To win almost 3-1 against them is a special achievement.

 

[Saurav]

Who is derailing them if they win? Why this preemptive measure to shield them from make believe detailing?

If they win we will clap, it will be a huge day for Asian and Indian cricket.

If they lose, we will laugh at them and forget our own woes.

Standard procedure.

OP is talking about 2018 series which was not given its due

 

[naseem]

Time for asterix hashtag comas to reappear.....it seems...what say folks

 

[Mamoon]

It's ridiculous to doubt our 2018 win.

Yes Smith and Warner weren't there so it was easier....but we still had to face an ATG bowling attack and we would have won 3-1 if not for Sydney rain.

If you look at history, great series wins rarely happened against full strength sides.

Take the 2004 Aus win in India.

1. No Tendulkar for most series. He was rushed back last game (even tho he wasn't ready) and we won.
2. BCCI politics which led us to give them a green track in Nagpur out of spite.
3. Chennai game which we would have probably won was washed out.

Next comes the 2012 Eng series win in India.

1. 4 out of 7 batsman were over the hill. Sehwag (yes he scored century in first game on a flat track), Gambo, Sachin & Yuvi (who honestly shouldn't have even been in the squad lol).

2. Ash losing his radar and being poor entire series.

3. Unfit Zaheer who could barely bowl.

4. Umesh who looks good in India injured after the first test.

Take the Eng win in Aus in 2010.

1. England had its greatest test team them. Or one of its greatest teams.

2. Aus was in doldrums with horrible bowling.

If we keep digging, we will find that in most cases, famous away series wins would be because the home team would have serious issues over injury or form or old age.

Again, that doesn't mean Aus was a strong team without Warner and Smith...but hey they are playing at home and still had an INSANE bowling attack.

To win almost 3-1 against them is a special achievement.

Anyone who discredits India’s win in 2018 is a delusional fool because everyone else would still have lost to that Australian side who were still boasting their first-choice bowling attack which is ATG level.

Other Asian sides especially Pakistan would have been completely pulverized by the same set of Australian players.

However, your examples other than the 2004 series do not make sense. Having a weak team in general is not comparable to having your two best batsmen unavailable.

India in 2012 and Australia in 2010-11 Ashes had all their main players available but both teams were not very good at that point because of transition period.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Time for asterix hashtag comas to reappear.....it seems...what say folks

bhai match to khatm hone de

 

[naseem]

bhai match to khatm hone de

Hogi hogi.......magar thoda cursor ki tarah blink kar raha hai

 

[Pakpak]

Don't want India to win due to rivalry but can't deny that they've been great down under. I wish Pakistan was like this against Australia instead of folding like a pack of cards everytime.

 

[Slog]

It's ridiculous to doubt our 2018 win.

Yes Smith and Warner weren't there so it was easier....but we still had to face an ATG bowling attack and we would have won 3-1 if not for Sydney rain.

If you look at history, great series wins rarely happened against full strength sides.

Take the 2004 Aus win in India.

1. No Tendulkar for most series. He was rushed back last game (even tho he wasn't ready) and we won.
2. BCCI politics which led us to give them a green track in Nagpur out of spite.
3. Chennai game which we would have probably won was washed out.

Next comes the 2012 Eng series win in India.

1. 4 out of 7 batsman were over the hill. Sehwag (yes he scored century in first game on a flat track), Gambo, Sachin & Yuvi (who honestly shouldn't have even been in the squad lol).

2. Ash losing his radar and being poor entire series.

3. Unfit Zaheer who could barely bowl.

4. Umesh who looks good in India injured after the first test.

Take the Eng win in Aus in 2010.

1. England had its greatest test team them. Or one of its greatest teams.

2. Aus was in doldrums with horrible bowling.

If we keep digging, we will find that in most cases, famous away series wins would be because the home team would have serious issues over injury or form or old age.

Again, that doesn't mean Aus was a strong team without Warner and Smith...but hey they are playing at home and still had an INSANE bowling attack.

To win almost 3-1 against them is a special achievement.

Your 2012 England win has no business being here for this comparison.

Short term Injuries and short term bans are different from players being past it or bad selection or whatever. Otherwise you can find an excuse for and discredit any loss like a [MENTION=150610]tyron_woodley[/MENTION] has excused India’s loss to NZ last year since for things like Shubham Gill not being selected or India not taking it seriously.

 

[Slog]

Who put the asterisk, which everyone is talking about.

To begin with Virat Kohli himself. It certainly plays on his mind. He said in an interview to a Steve Smith that Eventhough you and David Warner weren’t there; he still thinks it’s a great achievement. The fact that he’s having to say this means it plays on his mind too.

I personally think there’s no shame in accepting that current Aussie team better than 2018 one. A win is a win and it’s not India’s problem but you can’t deny or make the case that the 2018 side was weakened.

 

[Slim]

I dont think India will win a single match including the current match. The win in 2018 was a fluke.

 

[Slim]

To begin with Virat Kohli himself. It certainly plays on his mind. He said in an interview to a Steve Smith that Eventhough you and David Warner weren’t there; he still thinks it’s a great achievement. The fact that he’s having to say this means it plays on his mind too.

I personally think there’s no shame in accepting that current Aussie team better than 2018 one. A win is a win and it’s not India’s problem but you can’t deny or make the case that the 2018 side was weakened.

Somehow for same people, Pakistan winning T20Is against full side Australia was fake, and was due to Australia being disinterested. But India winning against Australia B is absolutely real, and no questions can be asked about it.

 

[Mamoon]

I dont think India will win a single match including the current match. The win in 2018 was a fluke.

Looks like you are 10 days late. India already got their single win at the MCG.

No team would have won in Australia in 2018 against their first-choice attack. There are also certain teams with loud fans who would even lose to Australia U15 in Australia.

 

[Mamoon]

Somehow for same people, Pakistan winning T20Is against full side Australia was fake, and was due to Australia being disinterested. But India winning against Australia B is absolutely real, and no questions can be asked about it.

Yeah, because winning a T20I series against Australia in UAE or beating them in a tri-series final in Zimbabwe, is equivalent to winning a Test series in Australia against Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood and Lyon.

Maybe it is an equivalent achievement for small and weak teams that get whitewashed by Sri Lanka C and lose ODIs to Zimbabwe at home, but for the outside world, they are not comparable achievements.

 

[Slog]

Somehow for same people, Pakistan winning T20Is against full side Australia was fake, and was due to Australia being disinterested. But India winning against Australia B is absolutely real, and no questions can be asked about it.

Lol yea it’s the hypocrisy and double standards that is hilarious.

For the longest time for these people, Pakistan’s England series draw was not against England B side (2016) because Eventhough James Anderson and Ben Stokes played the series, they had been injured prior to the series and only played couple of county games leading into the series... and here literally the 2 best batsmen were missing and that’s not a big loss as per these people.

The funniest thing about Mamoon is you can go back and find a similar situation where he is supporting the opposite view since it’s fits his overall views. Smith and Warner missing is still not an Australia B team but Anderson and Ben Stokes playing are England B team because they are coming off an injury

 

[Slog]

Looks like you are 10 days late. India already got their single win at the MCG.

No team would have won in Australia in 2018 against their first-choice attack. There are also certain teams with loud fans who would even lose to Australia U15 in Australia.

Lol why are you so rattled

 

[Mamoon]

Lol yea it’s the hypocrisy and double standards that is hilarious.

For the longest time for these people, Pakistan’s England series draw was not against England B side (2016) because Eventhough James Anderson and Ben Stokes played the series, they had been injured prior to the series and only played couple of county games leading into the series... and here literally the 2 best batsmen were missing and that’s not a big loss as per these people.

The funniest thing about Mamoon is you can go back and find a similar situation where he is supporting the opposite view since it’s fits his overall views. Smith and Warner missing is still not an Australia B team but Anderson and Ben Stokes playing are England B team because they are coming off an injury

Pakistan drew in England. They didn’t win.

Big teams don’t distribute mithai over drawn series unless the opposition is invincible like Australia of 2000s.

2016 England team was nothing special. They had the likes of Vince and Ballance batting in the top-order.

 

[Mamoon]

Lol why are you so rattled

Idiocy rattles me.

 

[CricketCartoons]

To begin with Virat Kohli himself. It certainly plays on his mind. He said in an interview to a Steve Smith that Eventhough you and David Warner weren’t there; he still thinks it’s a great achievement. The fact that he’s having to say this means it plays on his mind too.

I personally think there’s no shame in accepting that current Aussie team better than 2018 one. A win is a win and it’s not India’s problem but you can’t deny or make the case that the 2018 side was weakened.

I thought it was typical desi crab mentality where they are jealous of other desis. If it was put by Kohli, when was that interview?

Is this asterisk applied to most games where one or two first choice players are missing?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Fluke or asterisk is a coping mechanism by those fans who know they are not winning a test series in australia, even by fluke, in their lifetimes.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Fluke or asterisk is a coping mechanism by those fans who know they are not winning a test series in australia, even by fluke, in their lifetimes.

Especially, so for some fans of teams that are looking for their first draw in said country in over 25 years

 

[szrana007]

Especially, so for some fans of teams that are looking for their first draw in said country in over 25 years

We suck, but Pakistan shouldn't be your benchmark anyway. You guys should really do better than Pakistan in places like Eng and NZL, with all the resources you have

 

[Nikhil_cric]

We suck, but Pakistan shouldn't be your benchmark anyway. You guys should really do better than Pakistan in places like Eng and NZL, with all the resources you have

I dont think any Imdian fan has said anything about being a great team . We just lord it over Pakistani fans because we are not as rubbish as you are. Not yet, anyway

 

[Slim]

Looks like you are 10 days late. India already got their single win at the MCG.

No team would have won in Australia in 2018 against their first-choice attack. There are also certain teams with loud fans who would even lose to Australia U15 in Australia.

I meant they wont win this match or any of the succeeding matches.

 

[Slim]

Yeah, because winning a T20I series against Australia in UAE or beating them in a tri-series final in Zimbabwe, is equivalent to winning a Test series in Australia against Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood and Lyon.

Maybe it is an equivalent achievement for small and weak teams that get whitewashed by Sri Lanka C and lose ODIs to Zimbabwe at home, but for the outside world, they are not comparable achievements.

Please dont be so rattled. I didnt equate winning a T20I series with a test series. You are making use of the strawman fallacy. I rather was pointing out your hypocrisy and double standards, which are clear for everyone to see.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Especially, so for some fans of teams that are looking for their first draw in said country in over 25 years

That shouldn't matter to indian fans. But apparently it does, and this is the desi crab mentality I was mentioning. indian fans should wish for their team to beat australia in australia every time. That is the only test rivalry which should matter to them ( it does for me).

 

[Slim]

I dont think any Imdian fan has said anything about being a great team . We just lord it over Pakistani fans because we are not as rubbish as you are. Not yet, anyway

This whole thread and OP was to pre-empt any upcoming bashing this indian team is going to get. The fact that your coach thinks you are equal to Australia of 2000s and the ATG WI side, one doesnt even need to reach to the fans to show how delusional you lot are.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

This whole thread and OP was to pre-empt any upcoming bashing this indian team is going to get. The fact that your coach thinks you are equal to Australia of 2000s and the ATG WI side, one doesnt even need to reach to the fans to show how delusional you lot are.

Just because Pakistani fans are so delusional about their "talents", doesnt mean we all are. India , just over a week ago, wom a test match in Australia with a severely depleted side and all you hear from the fans ae complaints about how the side is not that good. Remove 3 key players from any of SA, PAK, NZ, SL, England and I'd like to see what they'd accomplish in Australia.

 

[Slim]

Just because Pakistani fans are so delusional about their "talents", doesnt mean we all are. India , just over a week ago, wom a test match in Australia with a severely depleted side and all you hear from the fans ae complaints about how the side is not that good. Remove 3 key players from any of SA, PAK, NZ, SL, England and I'd like to see what they'd accomplish in Australia.

Just great, you completely ignored your own head coach's comment and wrote a diatribe acting as representative of Indian fans when in reality there are indian fans who were chest beating just one day ago..

 

[Slog]

Pakistan drew in England. They didn’t win.

Big teams don’t distribute mithai over drawn series unless the opposition is invincible like Australia of 2000s.

2016 England team was nothing special. They had the likes of Vince and Ballance batting in the top-order.

2018 Australia were definitely nothing special then. They had Finch, Harris and I don’t know which other random batsmen I can’t name who are consigned to dustbin of history batting for them.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Just great, you completely ignored your own head coach's comment and wrote a diatribe acting as representative of Indian fans when in reality there are indian fans who were chest beating just one day ago..

We are chest beating about winning a test in Australia not about India being the next Windies or noughties Australia.

Now where exactly do you see Indian fans talking about us being the greatest test team? A win is Australia is great . Just look at the last 2 tours of Emgkand and New Zealand here. They got demolished. Not a single win. Pakistan West Indies and Sri Lanka dont even compete. We have 3 test wins on our last 2 tours and we are extremely happy about. No ones' problem if you can't digest that or understand the difference between calling ourselves GOAT test team and celebrating a win that is rare for most teams

 

[Slog]

Idiocy rattles me.

Hypocrisy should too. You’d have to stop posting then though. The funniest thing is if you can go back far enough you can always find a situation where you are supporting an opposite position of what you’re supporting currently just because the team is changed.

 

[Abdullah]

Lol yea it’s the hypocrisy and double standards that is hilarious.

For the longest time for these people, Pakistan’s England series draw was not against England B side (2016) because Eventhough James Anderson and Ben Stokes played the series, they had been injured prior to the series and only played couple of county games leading into the series... and here literally the 2 best batsmen were missing and that’s not a big loss as per these people.

The funniest thing about Mamoon is you can go back and find a similar situation where he is supporting the opposite view since it’s fits his overall views. Smith and Warner missing is still not an Australia B team but Anderson and Ben Stokes playing are England B team because they are coming off an injury

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] completely owned. Then he says that the 2016 team had balance and Vince, well what about Cameron green and wade and pucsovi in this aus team

Sometimes just climb off the high horse, it will save you being caught out

 

[Mamoon]

2018 Australia were definitely nothing special then. They had Finch, Harris and I don’t know which other random batsmen I can’t name who are consigned to dustbin of history batting for them.

A bowling attack of Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood and Lyon is as good as it gets. Certainly much better than the England attack where a joker like Moeen is the main spinner.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] completely owned. Then he says that the 2016 team had balance and Vince, well what about Cameron green and wade and pucsovi in this aus team

Sometimes just climb off the high horse, it will save you being caught out

Pucovski and Green are elite talents. Ballance and Vince are average players, about the same class as someone like Wade.

 

[Mamoon]

Hypocrisy should too. You’d have to stop posting then though. The funniest thing is if you can go back far enough you can always find a situation where you are supporting an opposite position of what you’re supporting currently just because the team is changed.

Yes I am sorry if I don’t give much concessions to a shambolic team like Pakistan.

 

[Ashmal]

India have been great in this series and overall in Aus in the last 20 years.

But, it's a fact that India won against a very weak Aussie team in 2018.
No way they would have won the series in 2018 with Smith & Warner being available.

It's not India's fault but they were lucky to be touring Aus at the right time.

If India can win this current series then they can claim that last series win wasn't just about luck.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Your 2012 England win has no business being here for this comparison.

Short term Injuries and short term bans are different from players being past it or bad selection or whatever. Otherwise you can find an excuse for and discredit any loss like a [MENTION=150610]tyron_woodley[/MENTION] has excused India’s loss to NZ last year since for things like Shubham Gill not being selected or India not taking it seriously.

Sit down and think about my point for a min and you will see it.

The point is that any win can be devalued.

The Indian team that England won was useless.

But no one holds that against them. It's still a great achievement and that's the point.

Injuries vs player being past it is all technicalities....

Or else celebrate thrashing of an over the hill steyn vs prime steyn.